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Pro and Con 1809, posted 7-13-14
Pro and Con 1810, posted 7-16-14
Pro and Con 1811, posted 7-16-14

MY ANSWER TO A POST ON FIVE DOVES BY SHERRY VANCE
(It is below my reply)

By Marilyn Agee, Posted 6-18-14

Thanks so much for your contributions to the Five Doves site. I try to read everything you write. You like to search out the deep things. I like that.

> > This headline reminded me of something I studied regarding the word "Thlipsis".....meaning "affliction, persecution, trouble, suffering, & tribulation." The conclusion was that 'thlipsis' is a condition, not just a time period; but the unfortunate KJV translation of "great tribulation" in Rev. 7:14 has caused many to misunderstand the condition from which the resurrected & raptured multitude in Rev. 7:14 came out of, with the time period known as the great tribulation. But the KJV translators COULD HAVE JUST AS ACCURATELY translated thlipsis as "These are they which came out of great affliction, trouble, suffering, persecution, & martrydom." Today's headlines confirm that there are MANY indeed who are suffering and being afflicted and martyred even TODAY! That situation renders Rev. 7:14 as being CORRECT. But instead, because we know there will be a TIME of great "tribulation", people wrongly associate the multitude in Rev. 7:14 as coming out of that TIME, or the last half of the 70th Week, it confuses confusion of the direction of the chronology in the sense of understanding a particular timeline of events.

FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION

I wondered how other versions translated Rev. 7:14, so I went to http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rev&c=7&t=NKJV#s=t_bibles_1174014 Here is the list. They are pretty consistent.

The KJV says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation (thlipsis, From G2346; pressure [literally or figuratively]: - afflicted, [tion], anguish, burdened, persecution, tribulation, trouble), and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

The NKJV says, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The NLT says, "These are the ones who died in the great tribulation. They have washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb and made them white.

The NIV says, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The ESV says, "These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The NASB says, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The RSV says, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

The ASV says, "These are they that come of the great tribulation, and they washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The YLT says, "These are those who are coming out of the great tribulation, and they did wash their robes, and they made their robes white in the blood of the Lamb

The DBY says, "These are they who come out of the great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and have made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The WEB says, "These are they who came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The HNV says, "These are those who came out of the great tribulation. They washed their robes, and made them white in the Lamb's blood."

I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE TWO RAPTURES, A FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE, AND A LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE

I now believe that the First-Trump Rapture will take place Mid-Trib, before Christ is given the 7-sealed book. The Last-Trump Rapture will take place on the Day of God's Wrath at the end of the Great Tribulation.

Rev 6:17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 7:9-15 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God".

I used to think the first Rapture would take place before the 7-year Tribulation started, but I have changed my mind.

Rev 10:11 says, "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

More information is going to be given about the timing of the first Rapture.

Therefore the "RISE" in Rev 11:1 is the same as the "COME UP HITHER" in Rev. 4:1. It takes place Mid-Trib.

Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE, and measure the temple of God (i.e., we are the Temple of the Holy Spirit), and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months (i.e., the last half of the Tribulation, the Great Tribulation). 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses (i.e., Moses and Elijah), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

As long as we are here, the physical Temple may not be built. However, they now have the red heifer. It is 5 months old, and has red fur, eyebrows, mouth and hooves. As soon as we are caught up, the temple will probably be built.

The Great Tribulation is to be shortened or no flesh would be saved.

I Thess 4:16,17 is talking about the Mid-Trib Rapture. None actually become immortal at that time. It says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

I am sure looking forward to that day. My husband Ed and I will be reunited at that time, and "so shall we ever be with the Lord." I'm happy how my life is turning out. Ed prayed for a Christian wife while on board a ship returning from Japan after WWII. I had already said, "Yes" to Jesus, when Ed asked me out. Then I said, "Yes" to Ed when he asked me to marry him three days after our first date. We fell deeply in love right away. Now, I'm going to get to be with them both forever. I can't think of anything better.

I Cor 15:51-54 tells us about the Last-Trump Rapture, when the whole Body of Christ will actually become immortal. It says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall ALL BE CHANGED, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we (including Paul) shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

The whole Body of Christ will actually become immortal that day.

ONE "COME UP HITHER" TAKES PLACE BEFORE CHRIST IS GIVEN THE 7-SEALED BOOK; THERE IS NO EARTHQUAKE, AND CHRIST'S KINGDOM HAS NOT YET BEGUN

Rev 4:1 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

Rev 5:9 And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the BOOK, and to open the seals thereof".

THE OTHER "COME UP HITHER" TAKES PLACE AFTER THE SIXTH SEAL IS BROKEN; THERE IS A GREAT EARTHQUAKE AND CHRIST'S KINGDOM BEGINS

Rev 6:12 And I beheld WHEN HE HAD OPENED THE SIXTH SEAL, and, lo, there was A GREAT EARTHQUAKE; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood".

Rev 11:12-15 says, "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great EARTHQUAKE, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. 14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, THE KINGDOMS OF THIS WORLD ARE BECOME THE KINGDOMS OF OUR LORD, AND OF HIS CHRIST; AND HE SHALL REIGN FOR EVER AND EVER."

THE WORLDWIDE EARTHQUAKE IS ON THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH

Eze 38:18-23 says, "And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. 19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be A GREAT SHAKING in the land of Israel; 20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. 22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD."

Rev 6:17 For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev_7:14 says, "And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

THE FIRST GROUP TO BE RAPTURED ARE CAUGHT UP BEFORE THE GREAT TRIBULATION, AND HAVE ALREADY WASHED THEIR ROBES IN THE BLOOD OF CHRIST

Rev_1:5 says, "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. UNTO HIM THAT LOVED US, AND WASHED US FROM OUR SINS IN HIS OWN BLOOD".

Rev 3:7,8 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; 8 I know thy works: behold, I HAVE SET BEFORE THEE AN OPEN DOOR, AND NO MAN CAN SHUT IT: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name."

THE SECOND GROUP TO BE RAPTURED CAME OUT OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION AND HAD TO WASH THEIR ROBES IN THE BLOOD OF CHRIST

Rev 3:14-16 says, "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then BECAUSE THOU ART LUKEWARM, AND NEITHER COLD NOR HOT, I WILL SPUE THEE OUT OF MY MOUTH."

Rev_7:14 speaks of these. It says, "THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, AND HAVE WASHED THEIR ROBES, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

Yes, I think there are two Raptures, the First-Trump Rapture at Mid-Trib, and the Last-Trump Rapture on "the great day of his (God's) wrath" at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation.

THE FIRST "COME UP HITHER", THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE, MID-TRIB

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER (i.e., First-Trump Rapture), and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

Therefore, the "RISE" in Rev. 11:1 is the same as the "COME UP HITHER" in Rev. 4:1. It stands for the First-Trump Rapture.

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., First-Trump Rapture), and measure the temple of God (i.e., we are the Temple of the Holy Spirit, and we can be measured), and the altar, and them that worship therein. Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."

A GREAT MULTITUDE OF THOSE CAUGHT UP AFTER THE SIXTH SEAL IS BROKEN CANNOT BE MEASURED, BUT THE 144,000 CAN BE MEASURED

Rev. 7:9 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, A GREAT MULTITUDE, WHICH NO MAN COULD NUMBER, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands".

ALL THOSE CAUGHT UP IN THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE CAN SING THE NEW SONG

Rev 5:8-10 says, "And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."

Psa 149:1-9 says, "Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD A NEW SONG, and his praise in the congregation of saints. 2 Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. 3 Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp. 4 For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation. 5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: LET THEM SING ALOUD UPON THEIR BEDS. 6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; 7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; 8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; 9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have ALL his saints. Praise ye the LORD."

ONLY THE 144,000 CAN BE MEASURED, AND AT THE SECOND RAPTURE, ONLY THE 144,000 CAN SING THE NEW SONG

Rev 14:1-4 says, "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, WHICH WERE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH.4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb."

I think those who are raptured in Rev. 7:9-14 are caught up after the Day of God's Wrath starts in Rev 6:17. The Day of God Wrath is at the end of the Great Tribulation.

Rev 6:17 says, "For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 7:9-15 says, "AFTER THIS I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, AND HAVE WASHED THEIR ROBES, AND MADE THEM WHITE IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB. 15 THEREFORE ARE THEY BEFORE THE THRONE OF GOD". 11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them (Moses and Elijah), and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER (i.e., the LAST TRUMP RAPTURE). AND THEY ASCENDED UP TO HEAVEN in a cloud (probably a cloud of Tribulation saints); and their enemies beheld them."

TWO TRUMPET BLASTS GATHER THE SAINTS TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN HEAVEN

Num 10:1-7 says, "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. 3 And when they shall blow with them (i.e., both), all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. 4 And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes (i.e., the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles of Rev. 4:4, which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee. 5 When ye blow an alarm, then the camps that lie on the east parts shall go forward. 6 When ye blow an alarm the second time, then the camps that lie on the south side shall take their journey: they shall blow an alarm for their journeys. 7 But when the congregation is to be gathered together, ye shall blow, but ye shall not sound an alarm.

WHEN THE WISE VIRGINS ARE GATHERED TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN HEAVEN

Heb 12:22-26 says, "ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. 25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: 26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven."

Est_2:19 says, "WHEN THE VIRGINS WERE GATHERED TOGETHER THE SECOND TIME, then Mordecai sat in the king's gate."

Isa_11:11 says, "And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the SECOND TIME to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea."

> > Rejoice! When will the Resurrection/Rapture take place? The last solar eclipse and blood moon tetrad will be seen on the eve of Rosh HaShanah, Sept. 13, 2015....the beginning of a new Sabbatical cycle....the third week of Jacob's Trouble (777).....the 70th Week of Daniel......Israel's Last Week to be fulfilled before Messiah comes and they (the JEWS) "see Him the second time." Take a look around at the conditions in this world - ready & ripe for the end of this age, the completion of the church age, and the reinstatement of the Old Testament Covenant which will culminate in the redemption of God's people the Jews and establishment of the Kingdom of God on Earth for 1,000 years!

I AM NOW HOPING FOR THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE ON THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS, SEPT. 25, 2014

Jesus was conceived on Kislev 24 (Haggai 2:18,19). He was born as the former rain on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets. Since we are the Body of Christ, maybe we will also be born into a new world on the Feast of Trumpets. If so, like Jesus, our birthstone will be the sapphire, which means heaven.

Eze 1:1 says, "...the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.

Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the terrestrial planets, of which one is Earth, v. 15) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone (sapphire, September's birthstone, means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Jesus is the only God/man) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn is amber), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it (i.e., the equator) had brightness round about (i.e., Saturn's rings). 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

Since we are the Body of Christ, it would be appropriate for us to be born into a new world on the Feast of Trumpets as Jesus was.

2Co 12:2-4 says, "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven (1. Mars, 2. Jupiter, 3. Saturn). 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up into paradise (SATURN), and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

THE SEA OF GLASS IS PROBABLY SATURN'S RING SYSTEM

Rev_4:6 says, "And before the throne (i.e., on Saturn) there was a sea of glass like unto crystal (i.e., ice crystals): and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind."

Those four faces were on the flags placed at the compass points when Israel camped around the Tabernacle. They are also seen in Eze. 1. The lion stands for east. The man stands for south. The ox stands for west. The eagle stands for north. I learned that from Clarence Larkin's writings.

Rev_15:2 says, "And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God." Agape

A POST ON FIVE DOVES, MY REPLY IS ABOVE

Sherry Vance (15 June 2014)
"Today's Headline - 6-10-2014"

Kim Jong Un, the current leader of North Korea, is guilty of the imprisonment and torture of 30,000 Christians and their entire families.

This headline reminded me of something I studied regarding the word "Thlipsis".....meaning "affliction, persecution, trouble, suffering, & tribulation." The conclusion was that 'thlipsis' is a condition, not just a time period; but the unfortunate KJV translation of "great tribulation" in Rev. 7:14 has caused many to misunderstand the condition from which the resurrected & raptured multitude in Rev. 7:14 came out of, with the time period known as the great tribulation. But the KJV translators COULD HAVE JUST AS ACCURATELY translated thlipsis as "These are they which came out of great affliction, trouble, suffering, persecution, & martrydom." Today's headlines confirm that there are MANY indeed who are suffering and being afflicted and martyred even TODAY! That situation renders Rev. 7:14 as being CORRECT. But instead, because we know there will be a TIME of great "tribulation", people wrongly associate the multitude in Rev. 7:14 as coming out of that TIME, or the last half of the 70th Week, it confuses confusion of the direction of the chronology in the sense of understanding a particular timeline of events.

Matthew 24:9 shows that during the time of birth pains leading up to the end, Believers would be "afflicted" (thlipsis), hated and killed. The early church also experienced "persecution" (thlipsis) resulting after the stoning of Stephen the first martyr. Paul constantly referred to his sufferings and afflictions (thlipsis). The point is, the word "tribulation" causes many to assume it is referring to a "time period", but actually the same word (thlipsis) means affliction, persecution, trouble, and suffering. It is a condition - not just a time period. It is a condition which Jesus warned would be common to all men in this life on this earth, and especially to believers who were in the world but not OF the world. For them this life would constitute many trials and troubles, not least of which their faith would be the cause.

Therefore, when the great multitude is seen in Rev. 7:14 (right after the 6th Seal resurrection earthquake & rapture) the understanding of who they are is mistaken for martyrs out of the great tribulation/last half of the 70th Week and it's all due to the KJV's translation of the word thlipsis used in the elder's identification as "those who came out of great tribulation." If that is the case, it is quite odd that those who are identified as "coming out of great tribulation" because at that point, the 'great tribulation time period' has not yet even begun!

Again, the truth is, the translation of the word (using acceptable definitions for thlipsis) could have just as easily identified them as "those who came out of affliction, persecution, trouble, and suffering, instead of causing confusion of the condition they came out of as a time period of the last half of the 70th Week.

The point is, Matthew 24:29 could be correctly understood with the correlation to Revelation 7:14 as: Immediately after the afflictions, troubles, sufferings and persecutions of life in those days which are PAST, and even unto today, will result in the opening of the 6th Seal/resurrection earthquake & rapture of the great multitude seen standing on the sea of glass in Rev. 7:14 who came out of life's afflictions, troubles, sufferings and persecutions. THEN the sun will be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken BEFORE the DAY OF THE LORD!

Do you SEE? >>>> THEN the sun will be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken BEFORE the DAY OF THE LORD! THE 7th SEAL AND THE GREAT DAY OF THE LORD HAS NOT EVEN YET BEGUN WHEN THIS MULTITUDE OUT OF EVERY NATION, KINDRED, & TONGUE IS SEEN ON THE SEA OF GLASS! This is a description of the Resurrection/Rapture!!! Those seen on the Sea of Glass with palms in their hands are in God's Throne Room before the Day of the Lord, before the period of time known as The Great Thlipsis/tribulation begins, before the opening of the 7th Seal. This is a confirmation that we are NOT appointed unto God's wrath....that we WILL be kept from the hour of temptation that is coming upon the world.....and that we will be "taken" ('thanatos' > carried off) before that time comes.

Today's headlines CONFIRM our understanding that even though WE, here in the United States have not suffered the extreme persecution and martyrdom as in other countries such as North Korea and Syria and Egypt, etc. etc......there are THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS WHO HAVE! They are the ones seen in Rev. 7:14 coming out of 'thlipsis.' Yes, we will be there too - lucky us who did not or will not suffer as those brethren have. WHY? BECAUSE THE ONLY REQUIREMENT FOR GAINING ETERNAL LIFE AND BEING TAKEN TO HEAVEN TO BE WITH GOD IS TO BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST! It's our FAITH in Jesus Christ as the propiation (atonement, the turning away of wrath by His offering, His sacrifice) for our sins that saves us....not works, not martyrdom, not anything we do, or suffer....it's Jesus alone --- and it is this throng of people from all over the world standing on the Sea of Glass crying with loud voices, saying, SALVATION TO OUR GOD WHICH SITTETH UPON THE THRONE AND UNTO THE LAMB, WHO JUST WERE RESURRECTED AND RAPTURED AND ARRIVED IN HEAVEN BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD BEGINS WITH THE 7th SEAL. Folks, we do not have to "endure unto the end" in order to be saved....we already ARE!!!

Rejoice! When will the Resurrection/Rapture take place? The last solar eclipse and blood moon tetrad will be seen on the eve of Rosh HaShanah, Sept. 13, 2015....the beginning of a new Sabbatical cycle....the third week of Jacob's Trouble (777).....the 70th Week of Daniel......Israel's Last Week to be fulfilled before Messiah comes and they (the JEWS) "see Him the second time." Take a look around at the conditions in this world - ready & ripe for the end of this age, the completion of the church age, and the reinstatement of the Old Testament Covenant which will culminate in the redemption of God's people the Jews and establishment of the Kingdom of God on Earth for 1,000 years!
Shalom, sherry~

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