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THE "DEPARTING", THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE, HAPPENS JUST
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BEFORE THE FALSE PROPHET SITS IN THE TEMPLE MID-TRIB
2 Th 2:1-4 says, "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our assembling unto him, 2 That ye be not suddenly moved from your mind, nor troubled neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter, as it were from us, as though the day of Christ (i.e., should be day of the Lord, as in the Vatican, Siniatic and Alexandrine codices) and were at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come A DEPARTING (i.e., the First-Trump Rapture) FIRST, AND THAT MAN OF SIN BE DISCLOSED, EVEN THE SON OF PERDITION. 4 Which is an adversary, and exalteth himself against all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that he doth sit as God in the Temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
5 "Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for the which ye also suffer. 6 For it is a righteous thing with God, to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you, 7 And to you which are troubled, rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall show himself from heaven with his mighty Angels, 8 In flaming fire, rendering vengeance unto them, that do not know God, and which obey not unto the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, 9 Which shall be punished with everlasting perdition from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power, 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his Saints, and to be made marvelous in all them that believe (because our testimony toward you was believed) in that day. 11 Wherefore, we also pray always for you, that our God may make you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power. 12 That the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God, and of the Lord Jesus Christ."
"THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN" JUST BEFORE THE FALSE PROPHET IS REVEALED
Rev 13:5-11 (Geneva Bible) says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist) a mouth, that spake great things and blasphemies, and power was given unto him, to do two and forty months (i.e., the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth unto blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his Name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the wise virgins that are raptured at Mid-Trib). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the Saints (i.e., the foolish virgins left behind), and to overcome them, and power was given him over every kindred, and tongue, and nation. 8 Therefore all that dwell upon the earth, shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of that Lamb, which was slain from the beginning of the world. 9 If any man have an ear let him hear. 10 If any lead into captivity, he shall go into captivity: if any kill with a sword, he must be killed by a sword: here is the patience and the faith of the Saints. 11 And I beheld, another beast (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet) coming out of the earth, which had two horns like the Lamb, but he spake like the dragon."
IS THERE A POST-TRIB RAPTURE?
By Marilyn Agee, 9-12-2016
I stumbled onto some videos in which a man taught that the Rapture was not Pre-Trib, but Post-Trib.
He is right that there is a Post-Trib Rapture just before the Wrath of God, but what he doesn't see is that there is a Mid-Trib Rapture too.
THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE IS THE DAY OF CHRIST, MID-TRIB
1Th 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
Php 2:16 says, "Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain."
THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE IS THE DAY OF THE LORD, END OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION
1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."
Act_2:20 says, "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come".
HIS MISTAKE IS IN THINKING THAT THE "HOUR OF TEMPTATION" IS THE TRIBULATION
The man in the video quoted Rev 3:10. It says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."
The "hour of temptation" is the temptation to take the Mark of the Beast (Rev 13:18). It comes after the False Prophet comes to power Mid-Trib.
Both the Transfiguration and Revelation of Jesus Christ take place Mid-Trib, when Moses and Elijah come.
Mal 4:5 says, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD".
Mat 17:1-11 says, "And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart (i.e., as in the Rapture), 2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was WHITE as the light. 3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. 4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for MOSES, and one for ELIAS. 5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. 7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid. 8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only. 9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead. 10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? 11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things."
MOSES AND ELIJAH, THE TWO WITNESSES, COME BACK MID-TRIB
Rev 11:1-4 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., in the Mid-Trib Rapture), and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation), clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth."
PREVIEW OF THE MID-TRIB RAPTURE PREFIGURED BY THE PILLAR BOAZ IN FRONT OF THE TEMPLE
Rev 1:9-16 says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion IN TRIBULATION, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (i.e., Day of Christ), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia (i.e., meaning muddy, i.e., they are on Earth); unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. 12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man (i.e., Jesus), clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14 His head and his hairs were WHITE like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength."
Ruth_2:23 says, "So she kept fast by the maidens of Boaz to glean unto the end of barley harvest and of wheat harvest; and dwelt with her mother in law."
The wheat harvest is over by the Feast of Trumpets, and this year the sign in Rev. 12 will be in the sky on Trumpets. The Moon will be directly under Virgo's feet on Tishri 1, 5777, Oct. 3, 2016. I hope that will be the date of the Day of Christ when we are to be kept "from the hour of temptation".
THE SURPRISE MEANING OF THE TRANSFIGURATION
By Marilyn Agee, posted 8-15-16
The Transfiguration is a picture of the MID-TRIB RAPTURE when Moses and Elijah arrive on earth to prophesy 1260 days.
THIS IS BIG NEWS!
Of the Transfiguration, Mat 17:1-11 says, "And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and BRINGETH THEM UP (kata idios, up to his own home, i.e., to heaven) into an high mountain apart (i.e., to Saturn, the third heaven, Eze 1:1,26-28, 2Co 12:1-4), 2 And was transfigured (metamorphoo, changed) before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 3 And, BEHOLD, THERE APPEARED UNTO THEM MOSES AND ELIAS TALKING WITH HIM. 4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here THREE TABERNACLES; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias (i.e., when the Rapture takes place, the Feast of Tabernacles is near). 5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, IN WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED; HEAR YE HIM. 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. 7 And JESUS CAME AND TOUCHED THEM, AND SAID, ARISE (egiro, rouse from death, lift up, i.e., in the Rapture), and be not afraid. 8 AND WHEN THEY HAD LIFTED UP THEIR EYES, THEY SAW NO MAN, SAVE JESUS ONLY (i.e., Moses and Elijah had gone to dwell on Earth during the Great Tribulation). 9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead. 10 And his disciples asked him, saying, WHY THEN SAY THE SCRIBES THAT ELIAS MUST FIRST COME? 11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, ELIAS TRULY SHALL FIRST COME, and restore all things" (i.e., including the Temple).
"THIS IS MY BELOVED SON: HEAR HIM"
Mar 9:1-8 tells the same story. It says, "Verily (amen, so be it) I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen THE KINGDOM OF GOD come with power. 2 And after six days (i.e., 6000 years) Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain (i.e., representing Heaven) apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them. 3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them. 4 And there appeared unto them ELIAS WITH MOSES: and they were talking with Jesus. 5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles (i.e., the Feast of Tabernacles is close); one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid. 7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, THIS IS MY BELOVED SON: HEAR HIM. 8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves."
"THIS IS MY BELOVED SON: HEAR HIM"
Luk 9:27-36 says, "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, TILL THEY SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD. And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray. 29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering (exastripto, radiant, glistening). 30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were MOSES AND ELIAS: 31 Who appeared in GLORY, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. 32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him. 33 And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said. 34 While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud. 35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, "THIS IS MY BELOVED SON: HEAR HIM". 36 And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen."
Joh 1:14 says, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
2 Peter 1:16-18 says, "For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and COMING (parousia, advent, return, presence (i.e., the coming at the time of the Rapture) of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to him from the excellent glory: ‘This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.' And we heard this voice which came from HEAVEN when we were with Him on the HOLY MOUNTAIN" (i.e., in Heaven).
Mal 4:5,6 says, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse."
The First-Trump Rapture is the "COME UP HITHER" of Rev 4:1. There is no earthquake.
In Rev 10:11, John was told, "Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."
The next thing he wrote was Rev 11:1-4. It says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., in the Mid-Trib Rapture), and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my TWO WITNESSES (i.e., Moses and Elijah), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation), clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth."
The Last-Trump Rapture is the "COME UP HITHER" of Rev 11:12. It takes place three and a half days after Moses and Elijah are killed.
Rev 11:8-13 says, "And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. 11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there A GREAT EARTHQUAKE, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."
MOSES AND ELIJAH STOOD BY JESUS WHEN HE ASCENDED, BECAUSE THEY WILL STAND BY JESUS WHEN WE ASCEND
Act 1:9-11 says, "And when he (i.e., Jesus) had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men (i.e., Moses and Elijah) stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? THIS SAME JESUS, WHICH IS TAKEN UP FROM YOU INTO HEAVEN, SHALL SO COME IN LIKE MANNER AS YE HAVE SEEN HIM GO INTO HEAVEN."
THE PREVIEW OF THE RAPTURE
Rev 1:9-11 says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega".
Rev_1:14 says, "His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire".
THE SIGN OF REVELATION 12 WILL BE IN THE SKY AT THE TIME OF THE RAPTURE
Rev 12:1-12 says, "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 7 And there was war in heaven: MICHAEL and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now (arti, JUST NOW, THIS DAY) is come salvation (soteria, rescue, deliverance, i.e., the Rapture), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."
Dan 12:1 says, "And at that time shall MICHAEL stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered (malat, escape, leap out), every one that shall be found written in the book."
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