Pro and Con 1253

Posted 11-5-05

Psalm 27:5: "in the time of trouble, HE SHALL HIDE ME in His pavilion; in the secret place of His tabernacle he shall hide me; He shall set me high upon a rock" (i.e., upon the planet Saturn, Heaven). Zephaniah 2:3: "Seek righteousness, seek humility. It may be that YOU WILL BE HIDDEN in the day of the Lord's anger."

Incoming e-mail, Re: P/C1252 FIVE STARS

Five Stars to You !!! - A defender of The Faith !!!

Your response to "Why is the blood of "Christ" Clean?" P/C 1252 was a 'More than Efficient' response to the nature and content of the writer's intent. May God protect and defend as you protect and defend His Word.

My reply

Thanks much for your encouragement.

Ed asks me every day if I have heard from the writer of that email. So far, no answer. He sent it to several people. He may not have had time yet to digest and answer mine. I know from experience that I can read all my emails, but don't have enough time to answer all. I just hope that he at least reads what I wrote and thinks about it. He is just confused by what he has been taught. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Subject: More Proof of Two Raptures

In the Gospel of John second chapter, Jesus cleans out the Temple and is asked a question;

John 2:18; Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

19; Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Jesus answered that He would rebuild this Temple (His Body) in three days,

First Day: His Assention
Second Day: Pre-Trib Rapture
Third Day: Pre-Wrath Rapture

Strangely enough John Chapter 2 begins like this: John 2:1; And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
2; And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage. Agape

My reply

> > Jesus answered that He would rebuild this Temple (His Body) in three days,
> > First Day: His Assention
> > Second Day: Pre-Trib Rapture
> > Third Day: Pre-Wrath Rapture

Wow! Thank you. I hadn't thought of it that way, but it's true. The Body of Christ will be complete at the Pre-Wrath Rapture. I have wondered what the third day at the marriage in Cana typified. I had the third day right, but didn't connect it to the first and second days, as you have.

Cana means emulation. Galilee means circle, i.e., a disk or sphere. That's perfect. The marriage at Cana of Galilee foreshadows the Marriage of the Lamb in Heaven, which is Saturn, a sphere, our "third heaven" (II Cor. 12:2).

That's the time when Jesus will again drink wine with his disciples. In Mt 26:29, Jesus said, "I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom."

> > Strangely enough John Chapter 2 begins like this: John 2:1; And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
2; And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.

That fits. On the "third day", the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture, the Day of God's Wrath, the Marriage of the Lamb will take place at the General Assembly (Heb. 12:23) in Heaven after the gathering of the Pre-Trib-Rapture saints from one end of Heaven to the other, after the gathering of the Tribulation saints from one end of the Earth to the other, (Mark 13:27) and after the Coronation of Christ.

Following the Coronation, the Marriage of the Lamb will take place. After that, the Judgment Seat of Christ will convene. The saints in Heaven will receive their rewards at the same time that the unbelievers on Earth receive their just rewards for their persistent unbelief.

Rev. 11:18 says, "And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth." Agape

BALTIMORE EVANGELISM SUMMIT TO FOCUS ON “BILLION SOUL HARVEST"

Baltimore Area Summit Connects Local Churches to Lost Communities
By Jeremy Reynalds
http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/s05100129.htm

10-25-05 - BALTIMORE, MD. (ANS) -- Billed as the most aggressive evangelistic thrust in Christian history, pastors and church leaders are gathering in Baltimore next week to connect local churches to lost communities around the world.

My outgoing email (incoming omitted)

> > "he had two horns" = Two power authority
"like a lamb" = Christian society
"beast coming up out of the earth" = "Russia" (east of Europe ,Ukraine ,...)
(look Russia at 500AD , it was "wilderness")
With "Political kingdom" and "Church" authority

May I offer you an alternative to think about? Rev. 13:11 says of the False Prophet, i.e., the final Antichrist, "I beheld ANOTHER beast (the False Prophet) coming up out of the earth (i.e., Israel); and he had two horns (two comings to power) like a lamb (Jesus Christ, who also has two comings), and he spake as a dragon" (because he is Satan-possessed).

Daniel also tells us of this man referred to as ANOTHER. Dan. 7:8 says, "I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them ANOTHER little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things" (because he is Satan-possessed).

Dan 7:24 says, "the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and ANOTHER shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse (different) from the first, and he shall subdue three kings."

> > There is no mention of existence "second beast" -when the "END" come- in bible, but there would be worshiping the "image" of the "Beast".

Zech 11:15-17 refers to the False Prophet at the end. It says, "the LORD said unto me, Take unto thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd (i.e., the False Prophet). For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in THE LAND (Israel), which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces (i.e., take away their armaments). Woe to the IDOL SHEPHERD that leaveth the flock (he goes to Babylon)! the sword (Sword of the Lord, the asteroid of Rev. 8:10) shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened."

His injuries will come when Babylon is destroyed at the end. Rev. 18:21 says of that day, "a mighty angel took up a STONE like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all." Agape

The Birth of Jesus and the Day of Trumpets

http://www.overcomerministry.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=116&Itemid=30

...there are exactly twelve stars surrounding the head of Virgo as we see them from earth. And indeed there are. If one will look at Norton’s Star Atlas, twelve visible stars will be seen around Virgo’s head. They are (according to astronomical terminology): (1) Pi, (2) Nu, (3) Beta (near the ecliptic), (4) Sigma, (5) Chi, (6) Iota — these six stars form the southern hemisphere around the head of Virgo. Then there are (7) Theta, (8) Star 60, (9) Delta, (10) Star 93, (11) Beta (the 2nd magnitude star) and (12) Omicron — these last six form the northern hemisphere around the head of Virgo. All these stars are visible and could have been witnessed by observers on earth.
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Rev. 12:1 says, "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon (epi, over) her head a crown of twelve stars". Over her head is the semicircle of 12 stars with Alpha in the center. This constellation is called Corona Borealis, the Northern Crown. One star, a recurrent nova, is called the Blaze Star. Underneath the "bowl", beyond Beta, is one of the densest clusters of galaxies known, Abell 2065. There are over 400 galaxies.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Question about 2 raptures

I've been following your website for a few years now and I think that maybe I've missed a few things.

On October 3, in your explaination of your beliefs, you said that the first group to be raptured are the Bride Saints, of the second group to be raptured only 144,000 are added to the Bride of Christ. My question is: Is the 144,000 that are to be added to the Bride of Christ from the pre-wrath rapture and are they going to be kings & priests also. Or are you saying that there will only be 144,000 taken in the pre wrath rapture.

Another question: Where are the believers who have died already? I that that the Bible says that to be absent from the body is to be with Christ. I guess what I'm asking is what happens to believers after they die? When do they get raptured/or resurrected. I've always believed that believers in Christ go right to heaven after death but I'm a little confused now.

Thanks so much for all of your hard work, I truely get so much out of your studies.

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

I think all of the wise-virgin saints will be the Bride group caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture. At that time, the foolish virgins and unbelievers will be left behind.

At the end of the shortened Great Tribulation, all of the previously foolish-virgin saints and all of those that accept Christ during the Tribulation, and all children, will be caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture. Of those caught up at the "last trump", the 144,000 Israelites seem to be added to the Bride group. Rev. 14:4,5 says that they are virgins without fault before the throne of God. They also are the only ones at that Rapture that can sing the New Song that the Bride saints sang in Rev. 5:9.

Besides the 144,000 caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture, there will be a great multitude that can't be numbered. Read about those in Rev. 7:9.

> > Is the 144,000 that are to be added to the Bride of Christ from the pre-wrath rapture and are they going to be kings & priests also

I don't know. It doesn't say that the second group will be "kings and priests," as it did for the first group in Rev. 5:9,10. Rev. 7:15 says, Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple".

> > what happens to believers after they die?

They go immediately to Heaven to join the OT saints that Jesus took to Heaven on Resurrection Day. They are gathered to their people. My whole family, mom, dad, and two younger brothers, got there ahead of me. I'm looking forward to a family reunion up there. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Psalm 38

I was looking at the number 38 after it was brought up in P & C 1201. Consider that the stories of healing in all four gospels and by the apostles in Acts all follow a similar pattern that mimics a first fruits rapture. These verses point directly at Christ’s purification of a blind, deaf, paralyzed and infected sinful mankind. That sin has rendered us disabled and unable to see, hear and move toward the exit. Through His forgiveness of sin, the forgiven man is now able to move and told to go home and sin no more. Move toward the exit, a door opens the gate into heaven. (our real eternal home)

Matt 9:2 a paralytic (a sinner) your sin is forgiven (a door to heaven is opened) Matt 9:5 get up, walk( the rapture) Matt 9:6 Again “Get up (rapture), take your matt and go home (heaven). Matt 9:7 got up and went home (heaven). Matt 9:8 the crowd saw this (the visable rapture that many people will see and believe) and were filled with awe (amazed) Matt 12:10 Healing on the Sabbath (forgiving sin) sheep (His children are His sheep) Matt 12:11 sheep lifted out ( raptured ) Matt 12:12 Lord of the Sabbath (the rapture)

Mark 2:3 paralytic (sinner) sins forgiven (a door to heaven is opened) Mark 2:4 made an opening (a door to heaven) Mark 2:10 go home (heaven) Mark 2:12 people amazed Mark 8:34 Be opened (the door to home) Heaven (go home) people overwhelmed and amazed. Mark 8:23 pillars, (24 elders, Trees), outside the village (out of a fallen world of sin) a rapture. Mark 8:26 sent home (heaven) don’t go back into the village. (the fallen world of sin) Luke 5:24 Home (heaven) Luke 5:25 Home (heaven) John 5:2 colonnades (pillars, 24 elders) the blind, the lame, the paralyzed (sinful mankind barred entrance to heaven John 9:7 Home (heaven)...

Jesus healed on the Sabbath several times. For instance, John 9:14 says, "it was the SABBATH day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes." The blind will see, and the crippled will walk, on the day of the Rapture.

Thirty-eight years is mentioned two places, in De. 2:14 and John 5:5. De. 2:14,24 says, "the space in which we came from Kadeshbarnea (meaning holiness of the grain), until we were come over the brook Zered (meaning east), was THIRTY AND EIGHT YEARS; until all the generation of the men of war were wasted out from among the host, as the LORD sware unto them....RISE YE UP, TAKE YOUR JOURNEY, and pass over the river Arnon (swift)." When they broke camp, they would take up their beds and walk.

"RISE YE UP, TAKE YOUR JOURNEY ( walk )" may symbolize the Rapture of the barley (i.e., the Bride of Christ) when the fields are white (John 4:35) with ripe grain on Ascension Day, a Sabbath.

Ex. 24:16-18. It says, "the glory of the LORD abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it SIX DAYS (Sivan 1-6): and the SEVENTH DAY (SIVAN 7) he CALLED UNTO MOSES out of the midst of the cloud. And the sight of the glory of the LORD was like devouring fire on the top of the mount in the eyes of the children of Israel. And MOSES WENT INTO THE MIDST OF THE CLOUD, AND GAT HIM UP INTO THE MOUNT: and Moses was in the mount forty days and forty nights." Which could be 38 days and nights by inclusive recogning.

From the time that the Israelites were numbered to their crossing into the promised land was 38 years. De. 2:14 says, "And the space in which we came from Kadeshbarnea, until we were come over the brook Zered, was thirty and eight years; until all the generation of the men of war were wasted out from among the host, as the LORD sware unto them." Thirty eight years from June, 1967, when the temple mount was taken, and later refused, brings us to June, 2005. Oh Israel, ye of little faith, the Lord gave you the temple mount.

Israel, was paralyzed with fear, or sin as they don’t know or recognize Jesus as Lord.

Why couldn't you trust him to also keep it for you? The Israeli flag only flew over the mount 4 hours. On June 17, 1967, the Sabbath after taking the mount in the Six-Day War, Moshe Dayan turned over the administration of the mount to the Muslim Waqf. In August, he gave jurisdiction of the mount to them.

When the spies returned from spying out the promised land, the people refused to go in and possess the land. They were afraid of the giants.

In our days, Israel refused to go in ( paralyzed with fear, or sin as they don’t know or recognize Jesus as Lord ) and possess the temple area after a few had gone in. What were they afraid of this time? the Arabs they had just beaten in war?

No, Israel has not been forgiven she is paralyzed with fear, or sin as they don’t know or recognize Jesus as Lord.

In the early days, Israelites wandered in the desert another 38 years before they crossed over into the promised land. In our days, it looks like we have had to wait another 38 years after 1967 before the Rapture takes us to another promised land, Heaven.

It was all played out for us beforehand ( in the miraculous miricles written in the Gospels ), if we had just been able to recognize how it all tied together. Agape Love

My reply

Thanks. Sorry to be so long answering. It pays to examine Scripture closely. I'm wondering about 40 days and 40 nights.

Why was Moses up on Mount Sinai 40 days and 40 nights? He came down and then went up again for another 40 days and 40 nights, then came down again.

Ex 24:18 was when he went up the first time. It says, "Moses went into the midst of the cloud, and gat him up into the mount: and Moses was in the mount forty days and forty nights."

Ex 34:28,29 says, "he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments. And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that THE SKIN OF HIS FACE SHONE while he talked with him." His face shining reminds me of when he talked with the Lord at the Transfiguration. I think they were talking about when Moses and Elijah will come down from Heaven at the time of the Rapture. They will then prophesy until Mid-Trib.

Could this indicate that Moses will come down at the end of another period of forty days and forty nights? If so, it could indicate that the Rapture would be at the end of another period of forty days and forty nights.

Gen 7:17 says, "the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was LIFT UP ABOVE THE EARTH." That sounds like the Rapture, when we will be lifted up above the Earth. What was the date? Cheshvan 17 plus 40 days, counted inclusively, is Kislev 27, 5766 (December 28, 2005). That's the 3rd day of Hanukkah now. The Ark might have floated free as Kislev 25 (1st day of Hanukkah) began. Will the Rapture take place within the first three days of Hanukkah in 2005?

Haggai 2:18,19 says, "Consider (lit., take it to heart) now from this day and UPWARD, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month (Kislev 24), even from the day that the foundation of the LORD'S temple was laid (date of Jesus' conception), CONSIDER IT. Is the seed (seed of the woman, Gen. 3:15, i.e., Jesus) yet in the barn (a feminine word)? yea (YES, on Kislev 24), as yet the vine (Jesus and us as branches), and the fig tree (Israel), and the pomegranate, and the olive tree (Israel, and Gentiles can be grafted in), hath not brought forth: from this day (from Kislev 24, Eve of Hanukkah) will I bless you."

That might place the Rapture within the first three days of Hanukkah, the Feast of Dedication, the Feast of Lights (Monday, Dec. 26, Tuesday, Dec. 27 and Wednesday, Dec. 28, 2005).

Last year, on Dec. 26, the ocean and waves were roaring like never before in our lifetime. The 47' tsunami hit Sumatra. Was it a one-year warning for the wise-virgin Bride of Christ to have their lamps burning brightly, because the Bridegroom would come for them at the Feast of Lights?

Luke 21:25,28 says, "Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; THE SEA AND THE WAVES ROARING...And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWETH NIGH." I'm looking up. The Rapture seems to be drawing near.

Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the REDEMPTION of our body."

> >In the early days, Israelites wandered in the desert another 38 years before they crossed over into the promised land. In our days, it looks like we have had to wait another 38 years after 1967 before the Rapture takes us to another promised land, Heaven.

I hope 2005 is the year. Agape

When is The Last Day?

The last day appears seven times in the New Testament. All seven are in the book of John.

In John 6:39, Jesus said, "this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should RAISE IT UP AGAIN AT THE LAST DAY."

John 6:40 says, "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up AT THE LAST DAY."

In John 6:44, Jesus said, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I WILL RAISE HIM UP AT THE LAST DAY."

John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up AT THE LAST DAY.

John 7:37 IN THE LAST DAY, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink."

John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection AT THE LAST DAY."

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him IN THE LAST DAY."

IF THERE IS A "LAST DAY," THEN IT FOLLOWS THAT THERE IS A FIRST DAY. John 6:39 says, "And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up AGAIN at the last day." Why does he say "raise it up AGAIN"? If a man is raised up once, it would be unnecessary to raise him up "AGAIN."

At the Pre-Trib Rapture, "the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air" (I Thess. 4:16,17). Since no number is given, this is the FIRST TRUMP.

We "shall ALL be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP" (I Cor. 15:52,53). So there are TWO TRUMPS, just as there were two silver assembly trumpets in Nu. 10:2-4. "And when they shall blow with them (both), ALL (as in I Cor. 15:51) the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And if they blow but with ONE trumpet, then the princes (elders, as in Rev. 4:4), which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee."

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