Pro and Con 1503

Posted 7-16-09

Two Ten-Region Maps of the World that agree with each other, but not with the coin I saw on Five Doves site on 7-15





Large Earthquake 7-15-09

Magnitude 7.8 west of South Island, NZ

STARTLING NEWS FROM ALASKA: "'Uplift' baffles scientists, transforms area beach"

BY MICHAEL ARMSTRONG, July 8, 09
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=92557

Like a giant fist punching through the earth, a 1,000-foot long section of the beach below Bluff Point rose up 20 feet from the tidelands sometime last Friday or late Thursday, pushing boulders up from the ocean bottom, cracking sandstone slabs and toppling rocks upside down.

Below Bluff Point, a new fissure opened up at the base of the 800-foot high cliff....

Scientists don't know exactly what caused the uplift. It would take an earthquake over magnitude 7 to cause an uplift that high, said Peter Haeussler, a geologist with the U.S. Geological Survey in Anchorage.

"I have no idea," he said when he first learned of the uplift. "This sounds really, really bizarre."...

There also is a deep hole about 10-feet wide and 7-feet deep on the beach side of the uplift -- wide enough to swallow a four-wheeler.

Far-Off Supernova Shatters Space Distance Record

July 8, 09
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530811,00.html?test=latestnews

Just 96 months to save world, says Prince Charles

The price of capitalism and consumerism is just too high, he tells industrialists
By Robert Verkaik
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/just-96-months-to-save-world-says-charles-1738049.html

Prince Charles "told an audience of industrialists and environmentalists at St James's Palace last night that he had calculated that we have just 96 months left to save the world.

"And in a searing indictment on capitalist society, Charles said we can no longer afford consumerism and that the "age of convenience" was over....

"Delivering the annual Richard Dimbleby lecture, Charles said that without "coherent financial incentives and disincentives" we have just 96 months to avert "irretrievable climate and ecosystem collapse, and all that goes with it."

My reply

That's 8 years. Wonder where that idea came from.

Israel natural gas reserves greatly exceed expectations

By Avi Bar-Eli
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1098665.html

"The reserves of natural gas discovered at the "Tamar 2" drilling site off the coast of Haifa are estimated to be up to 30 percent greater than expected".

NEW YEAR FOR KINGS, NISAN 1

http://www.oceansidejc.org/roshhash/MishRoshH_01.html
Mishnah
Rosh Hashannah
By Jonathan Wolf

Mishnah 1: There are four New Years. On the first of Nisan is the New Year for Kings and for festivals; on the first of Elul is the New Year for the tithe of animals; Rabbi Eliezer and Rabbi Shimon say, on the first of Tishrei. On the first of Tishrei is the New Year for years, for Sabbatical years, for Jubilee years, for planting, and for vegetables. On the first of Shevat is the New Year for trees according to the School of Shammai. The School of Hillel say on the fifteenth thereof.

Commentary: If a King began his reign on the twenty-ninth of Adar, then when the first of Nisan arrives, he is reckoned as having reigned for one year. If he starts his reign on the first of Nisan, then he will not have reigned one year until the next first of Nisan.
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http://philologos.org/bpr/files/t013.htm
when a King begins to reign he is heralded with trumpets

"Nisan 1 continued to be recognized as New Year’s day for the reckoning of the reigns of Jewish kings and for festivals. Thus, although the calendar year began with Tishri 1, Passover was regarded as the first festival of the year. Of minor significance were the New Year’s days on Elul 1 and Shevat 1, for the tithing of cattle and for trees respectively." [Old Testament Essays 1967-1998, Vol. 1, Sheffield Academic Press, 1998]

This disagrees with Gary Stearman's "Passover: Coronation Day for Jewish Kings"
(http://bpt.awardspace.us/Gary_Stearman/Passover%20Coronation%20Day%20for%20Jewish%20Kings%20-%20Jesus%20Crowned%20King.pdf

PRO AND CON: IS THE DAY OF THE LORD THE SAME AS THE GREAT TRIBULATION?

PRO: PASTOR RILEY THINKS THE DAY OF THE LORD IS THE "LAST HALF OF THE TRIBULATION"

F.M. Riley (14 July 2009) "God's Two Witnesses"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2009/fmriley714-2.htm

He said, "The phrase, “THE GREAT AND DREADFUL DAY OF THE LORD,” THEN SPECIFICALLY REFERS TO THE LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS OF THE SEVEN YEAR TRIBULATION. It will be a time of trouble for the whole world, such as was previously unknown in all of human history, a time in which Almighty God will judge all the unrepentant, incorrigible wicked of the earth. It will be the time when God’s “fury shall come up” in His face, Ezekiel 38:18; Nahum 1:6; Revelation 11:14-19. During that last half of the Tribulation the Lord will pour out great and terrible judgments upon this earth unlike anything ever previously seen or known by mankind."

CON: I THINK THE DAY OF THE LORD WILL BE ONE LITERAL DAY, JESUS' LONG DAY, THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH (all emphasis mine)

THE TYPE: JOSHUA'S LONG DAY, WHEN THE LORD CAST DOWN GREAT STONES FROM HEAVEN

Joshua's Long Day was a type of Jesus' Long Day, but it wasn't like it in severity. No other day matches exactly THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD. There is none like it.

Joshua's long day lasted ONE DAY, sun-up to sun-down. Joshua 10:10-14 says, "the LORD discomfited them (the Amorites) before Israel, and slew them with a great slaughter at Gibeon, and chased them along the way that goeth up to Bethhoron, and smote them to Azekah, and unto Makkedah. And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that THE LORD CAST DOWN GREAT STONES FROM HEAVEN UPON THEM unto Azekah, and they died: THEY WERE MORE WHICH DIED WITH HAILSTONES THAN THEY WHOM THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL SLEW WITH THE SWORD. Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, SUN, STAND THOU STILL UPON GIBEON; AND THOU, MOON, IN THE VALLEY OF AJALON. AND THE SUN STOOD STILL, AND THE MOON STAYED, UNTIL THE PEOPLE HAD AVENGED THEMSELVES UPON THEIR ENEMIES. Is not this written in the BOOK OF JASHER? SO THE SUN STOOD STILL IN THE MIDST OF HEAVEN, AND HASTED NOT TO GO DOWN ABOUT A WHOLE DAY. AND THERE WAS NO DAY LIKE THAT BEFORE IT OR AFTER IT, THAT THE LORD HEARKENED UNTO THE VOICE OF A MAN: for the LORD fought for Israel."

AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE "BOOK OF JASHER": IT (THE SUN) STOOD STILL SIX AND THIRTY MOMENTS"

http://www.ccel.org/a/anonymous/jasher/88.htm
"And the Lord confounded them before the children at Israel, who smote them with a terrible slaughter in Gibeon, and pursued them along the way that goes up to Beth Horon unto Makkedah, and they fled from before the children of Israel.

"And whilst they were fleeing, THE LORD SENT UPON THEM HAILSTONES FROM HEAVEN, AND MORE OF THEM DIED BY THE HAILSTONES, THAN BY THE SLAUGHTER OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL.

"And the children of Israel pursued them, and they still smote them in the road, going on and smiting them.

"And when they were smiting, the day was declining toward evening, and Joshua said in the sight of all the people, SUN, STAND THOU STILL UPON GIBEON, AND THOU MOON IN THE VALLEY OF AJALON, until the nation shall have revenged itself upon its enemies.

"And the Lord hearkened to the voice of Joshua, and the sun stood still in the midst of the heavens, and IT STOOD STILL SIX AND THIRTY MOMENTS, AND THE MOON ALSO STOOD STILL and hastened not to go down a whole day.

'"And there was no day like that, before it or after it, that the Lord hearkened to the voice of a man, for the Lord fought for Israel."

THAT GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD: NONE IS LIKE IT, IT IS EVEN THE TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE

The next time, the LORD will not hearken unto the voice of a man, but the LORD will fight for Israel. Zech 14:3 says, "Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, AS WHEN HE FOUGHT IN THE DAY OF BATTLE", i.e., on Joshua's Long Day. The asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11 will impact Earth on THAT GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD.

In its severity, the great and terrible Day of the Lord will be a day like no other. It is the time of Jacob's trouble. Jer 30:7 says, "Alas! for THAT DAY is great, so that NONE IS LIKE IT: IT IS EVEN THE TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE; but he shall be saved out of it."

SINCE NONE IS LIKE IT, THE DAY OF THE LORD CANNOT LAST 3.5 YEARS

It is one single long day. The globe will rock, and be turned upside down, when the asteroids hit Earth at an oblique angle. The mountain-sized piece will impact the Mediterranean Sea, washing Gog's army out of Israel's hair. Only one sixth will be left to flee to Siberia. The others will be buried in the Valley of Hamon-gog (Eze. 39:2, 12,13.

THE GLOBE WILL BE TURNED UPSIDE DOWN

Isa 24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and TURNETH IT UPSIDE DOWN, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof." This takes place on one literal day.

"A TIME OF TROUBLE, SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION EVEN TO THAT SAME TIME"

Daniel 12:1,2 says, "And at that time (when the False Prophet will be deposed (Dan. 11:45) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be A TIME OF TROUBLE, SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION EVEN TO THAT SAME TIME: AND AT THAT TIME THY PEOPLE SHALL BE DELIVERED, EVERY ONE THAT SHALL BE FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake".

FIRST EVENT ON THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH, THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE

In Mark 13:35, Jesus said, "Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, AT EVEN, OR AT MIDNIGHT, OR AT THE COCKCROWING, OR IN THE MORNING".

It will be BEFORE NOON. Zeph 2:4 says, "For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod AT THE NOON DAY, and Ekron shall be rooted up."

Joel 2:31,32 says, "THE SUN SHALL BE TURNED INTO DARKNESS, AND THE MOON INTO BLOOD, BEFORE THE GREAT AND THE TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD come. And it shall come to pass, that WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE DELIVERED".

In Rev 6:15-17, the Day of God's Wrath has come. It says, "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"

The Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place in Rev. 7. Verses 9 and 14 say, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands...These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

AFTER THE PRE-WRATH RAPTURE: SILENCE IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH

Rev 8:1 says, "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was SILENCE IN HEAVEN about the space of half an hour. Hab 2:20 says, "the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the EARTH KEEP SILENCE before him." This silence seems to be while Jesus is being seated as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ. After that, in Rev. 8, the 7 trumpets of judgment are given to the 7 angels.

THE ASTEROIDS CAST DOWN TO EARTH

Before the trumpets sound, fire is put in a censer and cast down to the Earth to portray the asteroid being cast down to the Earth. Rev 8:5 says, "And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake." Then the 7 trumpets begin to sound.

THE DAY OF THE LORD, THE DAY OF THE SEVEN TRUMPET JUDGMENTS

Isa 2:10-12 describes the Day of God's Wrath. It says, "Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty. The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day. For THE DAY OF THE LORD OF HOSTS shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low".

THE DAY OF THE LORD SHALL COME AS A DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY

Isa 13:5,6 says, They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land. Howl ye; for the DAY OF THE LORD IS AT HAND; IT SHALL COME AS A DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY."

THE DAY OF THE LORD COMETH, CRUEL BOTH WITH WRATH AND FIERCE ANGER

Isa 13:9-13 says, "Behold, THE DAY OF THE LORD COMETH, CRUEL BOTH WITH WRATH AND FIERCE ANGER, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir. Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in THE DAY OF HIS FIERCE ANGER."

THE DAY OF THE LORD'S VENGEANCE, AND THE YEAR OF RECOMPENCES FOR THE CONTROVERSY OF ZION

Isa 34:8-10 says, "For it is THE DAY OF THE LORD'S VENGEANCE, AND THE YEAR OF RECOMPENCES FOR THE CONTROVERSY OF ZION. And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever:".

Jesus read Isa 61:1,2, but left off the last part of verse 2. This passage says, "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, AND THE DAY OF VENGEANCE OF OUR GOD". This day of vengeance is the DAY OF THE LORD.

Jer 46:10 says, "For this is THE DAY OF THE LORD GOD OF HOSTS, A DAY OF VENGEANCE, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates."

The DAY OF THE LORD will be a day of vengeance,"BECAUSE THEY HAVE SEDUCED MY PEOPLE, SAYING, PEACE; AND THERE WAS NO PEACE", Eze 13:10

DAY OF THE LORD, DAY OF DESTRUCTION, DAY OF THE TRUMPET AND ALARM, DAY OF DARKNESS

Joel 1:15 says, "Alas for the day! for THE DAY OF THE LORD IS AT HAND, AND AS A DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY SHALL IT COME."

Joel 2:1,2 says, "BLOW YE THE TRUMPET in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A DAY OF DARKNESS AND OF GLOOMINESS, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; THERE HATH NOT BEEN EVER THE LIKE, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations."

THE DAY OF THE LORD IS GREAT AND VERY TERRIBLE, THE EARTH WILL QUAKE AND THE HEAVENS SHALL TREMBLE

Joel 2:10,11 says, "THE EARTH SHALL QUAKE BEFORE THEM; THE HEAVENS SHALL TREMBLE: THE SUN AND THE MOON SHALL BE DARK, AND THE STARS SHALL WITHDRAW THEIR SHINING: And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for THE DAY OF THE LORD IS GREAT AND VERY TERRIBLE; AND WHO CAN ABIDE IT?"

THE LORD SHALL ROAR OUT OF ZION, THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH SHALL SHAKE

Joel 3:15,16 says, "THE SUN AND THE MOON SHALL BE DARKENED, AND THE STARS SHALL WITHDRAW THEIR SHINING. THE LORD ALSO SHALL ROAR OUT OF ZION, AND UTTER HIS VOICE FROM JERUSALEM; AND THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH SHALL SHAKE: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel."

A DAY OF WOE AND DARKNESS, NOT LIGHT

Amos 5:18 says, "Woe unto you that desire the DAY OF THE LORD! to what end is it for you? THE DAY OF THE LORD IS DARKNESS, AND NOT LIGHT.

A DAY OF WRATH, THE DAY OF THE TRUMPET AND ALARM, THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS

Zeph 1:14-16 says, "THE GREAT DAY OF THE LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of THE DAY OF THE LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. THAT DAY IS A DAY OF WRATH, A DAY OF TROUBLE AND DISTRESS, A DAY OF WASTENESS AND DESOLATION, A DAY OF DARKNESS AND GLOOMINESS, A DAY OF CLOUDS AND THICK DARKNESS, A DAY OF THE TRUMPET AND ALARM against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. "

THE DAY OF THE LORD COMETH, THEN SHALL THE LORD GO FORTH, AND FIGHT AGAINST THOSE NATIONS, AS WHEN HE FOUGHT IN THE DAY OF BATTLE

Zech 14:1-3 says, "Behold, THE DAY OF THE LORD COMETH, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I WILL GATHER ALL NATIONS AGAINST JERUSALEM TO BATTLE; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. THEN SHALL THE LORD GO FORTH, AND FIGHT AGAINST THOSE NATIONS, AS WHEN HE FOUGHT IN THE DAY OF BATTLE" (i.e., JOSHUA'S LONG DAY.

THE ATMOSPHERIC HEAVENS SHALL PASS AWAY WITH GREAT NOISE AND THE ELEMENTS SHALL MELT WITH FERVENT HEAT

2 Peter 3:10 says, "THE DAY OF THE LORD WILL COME AS A THIEF IN THE NIGHT; IN THE WHICH THE HEAVENS SHALL PASS AWAY WITH A GREAT NOISE, AND THE ELEMENTS SHALL MELT WITH FERVENT HEAT, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up".

AT NOON DAY: WOE UNTO THE SEA COAST: GAZA SHALL BE FORSAKEN, ASHKELON A DESOLATION, PEOPLE DRIVEN OUT OF ASHDOD

Zeph 2:1-5 says, "Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired; Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger. For GAZA SHALL BE FORSAKEN, AND ASHKELON A DESOLATION: THEY SHALL DRIVE OUT ASHDOD AT THE NOON DAY, AND EKRON SHALL BE ROOTED UP. WOE UNTO THE INHABITANTS OF THE SEA COAST".

FIRST TRUMP RAPTURE, THE DEAD IN CHRIST RAISED INCORRUPTABLE, THE BRIDE SAINTS CAUGHT UP

I Thess. 4:16-18 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

1Cor 15:42-44 says, "the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body."

LAST TRUMP RAPTURE, ALL THE SAVED BECOME IMMORTAL

I Cor. 15:51-53 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

My reply to an incoming email (omitted because of the length)

> > The pre-Tribulation Rapture doctrine is false teaching

I was afraid to read books man wrote about the Bible, or to study with anyone, until I had read the Bible all the way through myself. That was to protect me from being led astray by someone's opinion that was not Scriptural.

That accomplished, I wanted to know what the cherubim and flaming sword of Gen. 3:24 were. I spent 7 years reading about an 18" stack of books every week from the Seminary Collection at BIOLA, La Mirada Campus.

I couldn't find the answers to my question. They either left it out or went off on a fanciful trip I couldn't believe. At that point, I decided to stick with the Bible and Strong's Concordance. Every time I started to read the Bible again, I got a different version. I have read almost all of at least 17 versions. I skipped through the begats and read the rest. Now, I have 12 versions on eSword on my computer, plus Strong's Concordance, Thayer Definitions, and Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew Definitions to look up meanings of words. E-Sword is free from www.e-sword.net

After all my studying over the last 48 years, I am certain that there is a Pre-Trib Rapture at the first trump of God (I Thess. 4:16,17) and a Pre-Wrath Rapture at the last trump of God (I Cor. 15:51,52). No one told me that, Praying for the Lord's help, I figured it out for myself.

As for the Pre-Trib Rapture, Luke 21:36 is plain. It says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

Father, my prayer is that I may be accounted worthy to escape the terrors of the Tribulation. In Jesus' name, Amen. I hope you will pray the same thing, and trust God to bring it to pass.

I plan to escape in the first-trump Rapture, not the last-trump Rapture. Some, like the foolish virgins, will be left behind the first time. Luke 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant (the unwise) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him HIS PORTION (the shortened Tribulation) WITH THE UNBELIEVERS." Mt. 24:51 adds,"And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him HIS PORTION with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." As Mt. 22:13,14 puts it to those without wedding garments, "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For MANY ARE CALLED, BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN."

On the day of the first Rapture, "they that are with him (Yeshua) are CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL."

I want to be among the CALLED, CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL saints of Rev. 5:9. It says, "And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION". After the first Rapture, the first seal will be broken as the Tribulation starts.

Those saints out of every nation are in Heaven in Rev. 4:1 before the 7-sealed Title Deed of the Earth is given to Yeshua in Rev. 5:7. They are in Heaven in Rev. 5:9 before the first seal is broken in Rev. 6:1 to start the Tribulation. To me, there is no way around this.

That is why Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man" (Yeshua).

Yeshua is both God and man. He is YHWH of hosts. Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH the King of Israel), and I am the last (YHWH of hosts, the redeemer); and beside me there is no God."

Isa 48:16-18 shows that YHWH the Redeemer gave Israel the 10 Commandments at Mt. Sinai. It says, "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD (1, the Father), and his Spirit (2. the Holy Spirit), hath sent me (3, Yeshua, both man and God). Thus saith the LORD (YHWH), THY REDEEMER, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD (YHWH) THY GOD which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. O that thou hadst hearkened to MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea".

Yeshua produced the miracle play, The Revelation of Jesus Christ. In the Introduction, he told us who he really is. In Rev. 1:8, he said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning (LORD of the Old Testament) and the ending (Lord of the New Testament), saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY."

We can be sure that the order of events in The Revelation of Jesus Christ is assured by THE ALMIGHTY, and Rev. 4:1 and 5:9 come before Rev. 6:1. This first-trump-of-God Rapture precedes the Tribulation.

The "last trump" Rapture will come on the day of God's Wrath, just before the main asteroids hit the Earth. In Rev. 6, small rocks are already falling.

Rev 6:12-17 says, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?

Rev. 7:9,14 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands...THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

Once the Tribulation saints are in Heaven, we read in Rev. 8 that the 7 trumpets of judgment are given to 7 angels. Those are trumpets of judgment sounded by angels. They are not the two trumpets of God that sound at the two Raptures. The saints are to be kept from all seven of the trumpet judgments. Those introduce God's Wrath that is to be poured out on unbelievers.

Joel 2:15-17 says, "Blow the trumpet in Zion (it is the Feast of Trumpets in the heavenly Zion), sanctify a fast (the upcoming Day of Atonement), call a solemn assembly: GATHER THE PEOPLE (this is Rapture two), sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom (Yeshua) go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. (The Bride of Christ is made up of all the first-Rapture saints.) Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD" Gog's army is attacking Israel.

On the Feast of Trumpets that is also the Day of God's Wrath, all saints will be called to the General Assembly in Heaven.

Heb. 12:22-25 says,"But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM, and to an innumerable company of angels, TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven". Mt 24:31 tells us about the saints being gathered to the General Assembly from one end of HEAVEN to the other. These are the First-trump saints that were caught up to Heaven before the Tribulation. It says, "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet (i.e., the trumpet of God), and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."

Mark 13:27 includes calling up the Tribulation saints. It says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (the Tribulation saints) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN" (the Pre-Trib saints). Agape

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