Pro and Con 1504

Posted 7-23-09

Babies all in a row



A massive 7.8 magnitude earthquake last week has moved the south of New Zealand closer to Australia

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.19feb1b715ca8efe380725bb9914678e.741&show_article=1

Incoming e-mail, Re: Return of the Master and Jubilee Year

Recently there seem to be two opinions about the return of Messiah/Christ and the Jubilee year. Some say He will return sometime during the High Holy Days of 2015 and others during the High Holy Days of 2016. The interpretation of some would also would give us two choices for the true year of the Jubilee. Which is the true year of His return and the true Jubilee year? I will very much appreciate your understanding from the Scriptures. It seems odd to me that He might return while the Jubilee year is in progress by several months. Some people seem to be considering that possibility. Thank you, Marilyn. You and Ed are often in my prayers. I hope the transformation is near! With Love and Shalom

My reply

Thanks for your prayers. Ed is weak. I often have to help him sit up on the edge of the bed or get his legs up on the bed. I had to have gum surgery to take off a sharp bone splinter that came through my gum to catch on my tongue when I swallowed. I slept the recovery time away as much as possible. It is much better today, thanks to the Lord's quick healing touch.

THE JUBILEE YEAR AND ITS 49-YEAR CYCLE

People do have different opinions on when the Jubilee Year starts. The strangest to me is that it starts on the Day of Atonement. That would make the Jubilee Year 5 months long, or it would get out of sync with the Sabbatic Year. The first year of the new Sabbatic Cycle is also the Jubilee Year.

The Jubilee is a whole 12-month "YEAR" that follows the 7th Sabbatic YEAR. The 49th year starts on Nisan 1 and the 50th year starts on the following Nisan 1. The trumpet that announces that the Jubilee is coming, the "SIGNAL IN THE SEVENTH MONTH" is not in the first month of the Jubilee Year, It is in the 7th month of the 7th Sabbatic Year: (1) Nisan, (2) Iyar, (3) Sivan, (4) Tamuz, (5) Av, (6) Elul and (7) Tishri.

Lev 25:2,8-11 (LITV) is clear. It says, "When you come into the land which I am giving to you, then the land shall keep a sabbath to Jehovah....And you shall number to yourself seven sabbaths of years, seven years times seven, and all the days of the seven sabbaths of years shall be to you forty nine years. And (IN THE 49TH YEAR) you shall let a ram's horn resound, A SIGNAL IN THE SEVENTH MONTH, in the tenth of the month; in the day of atonement, let a ram's horn pass throughout all your land; and you shall make the FIFTIETH YEAR holy, ONE YEAR. And you shall proclaim liberty in the land to those living in it; it shall be a jubilee to you. And you shall return every man to his possession; yea, you shall turn back each to his family. It is a jubilee, the fiftieth YEAR; IT IS A YEAR TO YOU."

PROBABLY ON THE DAY OF ATONEMENT IN 27 AD, A SABBATIC YEAR, JESUS ANNOUNCED THE UPCOMING JUBILEE YEAR

Nisan 1, 3788 (28 AD) was the Jubilee Year. It followed the Sabbatic 3787, and was the 1st year of the new 49-year cycle.

Luke 4:17-19 says, "And there was delivered unto him (Jesus) the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place (Isa. 61:1,2) where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at LIBERTY them that are bruised, To preach THE ACCEPTABLE YEAR OF THE LORD."

"THE DAY OF VENGEANCE OF OUR GOD"

He left off "and the day of vengeance of our God", because that applies to the end of this age. The Day of God's Wrath will be on the Feast of Trumpets, then the coming Jubilee Year will be announced on the Day of Atonement. It looks like the Jubilee Year will start on the following Nisan 1, April 9, 2016. I think that will be the day of the Second Advent.

Nisan 1, 5776 will be 7 months after the Day of God's Wrath on Tishri 1, 5776, because 5776 is a Jewish Leap Year with a 13th month. These 7 months agree with Eze. 39:12,13. It says, "And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (i.e., at the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."

Actually, the Hebrew 5775 (2014/2015) and 5782 (2021/2022) are Sabbatic Years. This makes 5776 (2015/2016) and 5783 (2022/2023) possible Jubilee years, except for the fact that 5783 is not a Leap Year with the 13th month.

Israel got possession of the Temple Mount in 5727 (1967). 5727 + 49 = 5776. The year 5775 is a Sabbatic Year. It divides evenly by 7. Thus, Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2016) has the best chance of being the beginning of the Jubilee Year and the day Christ returns.
Lev 25:13 (KJV) says, "In the YEAR of this jubile ye shall return every man unto his possession." Dan. 12:12,13 (KJV) says, "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou (Daniel) shalt rest, and stand in thy lot (plot of land) at the end of the days."

POSSIBLE REFERENCES TO SOLAR AND LUNAR ECLIPSES

JoeL 2:31 says, "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE THE GREAT AND THE TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD COME."

Rev 6:12,13,17 says,"I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the SUN BECAME BLACK as sackcloth of hair, and the MOON BECAME AS BLOOD...And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind....For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"

Mt 24:29,30 says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the SUN BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON SHALL NOT GIVE HER LIGHT, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN IN HEAVEN."

Luke 21:25-28 says, "THERE SHALL BE SIGNS IN THE SUN, AND IN THE MOON, AND IN THE STARS; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring (a tsunami); Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

SIGNIFICANT ECLIPSES, SIGNS THAT BUILD TO A CLIMAX THEN QUIT AS IF CAPPED OFF

2008, Aug 1 (5768,Tamuz 29, day before Av 1) (total solar)
2009, 22 July (5769, Av 1) (total solar, monster eclipse of the century)
2010, 11 July (5770, Tamuz 29, day before Av 1) (total solar)
2014, April 15 [5774, Nisan 15] Unleavened Bread (total lunar)
2014, Oct 08 [5775, Tishri 14] Eve of Tabernacles (total lunar)
2015, Mar 20 (5775, 29 Adar) Eve of Trumpets (total solar)
2015, April 04 [5775, Nisan 15] Unleavened Bread (total lunar)
2015, Sept 13 (5776, Tishri 1) actually after 6 PM on Elul 29, so it will be Tishri 1, Trumpets, (probable) Day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture, Day of the Lord, Day of God's Wrath (partial solar)
2015, Sept 28 [5776, Tishri 15] Tabernacles (total lunar)

After this, there are no more tetrads on Feast days in this century, and someone said there would be no more eclipses on Feast days in this century.

SIGNIFICANCE OF THE CLIMAX IN 5776

The Jewish 5776 could be the Jubilee Year that ushers in the Second Advent. There seems to be a cap on 5776.

5776 - 7 YEARS = 5769, this year. Surely the Rapture is near. How about Av 9/10? Both Temples went up in clouds of smoke at that time. We are the Temple of the Holy Spirit. Maybe we would go up in clouds on Av 10.

Jer 52:12,13 says, "Now in the fifth month (Av), in the TENTH DAY of the month, which was the nineteenth year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzaradan, captain of the guard, which served the king of Babylon, into Jerusalem, And burned the house of the LORD, and the king's house; and all the houses of Jerusalem, and all the houses of the great men, burned he with fire".

Av 10, 5769, is July 31, 2009. Agape

WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT THE 10th of AV (JULY 31, 2009) COULD BE THE DAY OF THE RAPTURE?

By Marilyn Agee

Could the Temple of the Holy Spirit go up in clouds on the same date both Solomon's and Herod's Temples went up in smoke - Av 9/10? We will know soon.

In 70 AD, according to Josephus, a Pharisee eye-witness, the fire in the Temple area was begun on Av 9, and the sanctuary of the Temple burned on Av 10.

In Wars. VI. IV. 5, Josephus said, "...as for that house, God had, for certain, long ago doomed it to the fire; and now that fatal day was come, according to the revolution of ages; it was the TENTH DAY of the month Lous, [Ab,] upon which it was formerly burnt by the king of Babylon; although these flames took their rise from the Jews themselves, and were occasioned by them; for upon Titus's retiring, the seditious lay still for a little while, and then attacked the Romans again, when those that guarded the holy house fought with those that quenched the fire that was burning the inner [court of the] temple; but these Romans put the Jews to flight, and proceeded as far as the holy house itself. At which time one of the soldiers, without staying for any orders, and without any concern or dread upon him at so great an undertaking, and being hurried on by a certain divine fury, snatched somewhat out of the materials that were on fire, and being lifted up by another soldier, he set fire to a golden window, through which there was a passage to the rooms that were round about the holy house, on the north side of it. As the flames went upward, the Jews made a great clamor, such as so mighty an affliction required, and ran together to prevent it; and now they spared not their lives any longer, nor suffered any thing to restrain their force, since that holy house was perishing, for whose sake it was that they kept such a guard about it."

That agrees with Jer 52:12,13. It says of Solomon's Temple, "Now in the fifth month (Av), in the TENTH DAY of the month, which was the nineteenth year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzaradan, captain of the guard, which served the king of Babylon, into Jerusalem, And burned the house of the LORD, and the king's house; and all the houses of Jerusalem, and all the houses of the great men, burned he with fire:"

AV 10, 5769 WILL BE JULY 31, 2009

We do seem to have favorable signs. The middle of the three total solar eclipses that come on about the same date on the Hebrew Calendar is coming up the 22nd.

2008, Aug 1 (5768,Tamuz 29, day before Av 1) (total solar)
2009, 22 July (5769, Av 1) (total solar, monster eclipse of the century)
2010, 11 July (5770, Tamuz 29, day before Av 1) (total solar)

This reminds me that the String of Pearls hit Jupiter July 16-22, 1994. That was a huge sign in the heavens. The Hebrew dates were Av 8-14. It seems to have been a sign that pointed to the time of the year that the Temple burned.

When Jesus comes, let him find us watching. Agape

ANOTHER SIGN? A comet has just hit Jupiter, scar found July 19, 2009

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

The first piece of the String of Pearls hit Jupiter on July 16, 1994. That was Av 8, 5754. It struck on the side away from us. By Av 9, that great black spot had rotated around where we could see it. To me, that impact was a definite sign.

Luke 21:25-28 says, "And there shall be SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And WHEN THESE THINGS BEGIN TO COME TO PASS, THEN LOOK UP, AND LIFT UP YOUR HEADS; FOR YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWETH NIGH."

Incoming e-mail, Re: Behold your God! Isaiah 40:9; Zech. 12:9-14; 13:6; Philippians 2:9-11

Praise The Lord.

Only believe, who's your commentator? Is it the Holy Ghost? Acts 1:8.

Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believe, nothing short of it will suffice.

Jesus/Yeshua, the eternal Son of God???? NOT SO!!!! Hebrews 10:5. Let God arise, let his enemies be scattered. Luke 8:10.

If I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto "me" Isaiah 42:8; St. John 12:32; 1 Cor. 15:47.

God veil himself in flesh, to do a job "no one" was able to do, and at the present, He is holding our place, "1st John 3:2, until we are like him, and when he destroy the last enemy "death" and "all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son, (God who became what he was not, and remain what he was) who have glorified the Father, which was "in his flesh" by accomplishing the work which he came forth to do.

Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto, whom no man hath seen, nor can see; to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.

Gentiles, our time is about up! The rapture of the bride of Christ is upon us, and we still trying to figure out who God is. Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever. Hebrews 13:8.

Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place "in all generations". Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, "thou" art God. Psalms 90-1, 2; Psalms 100-3; St. John 14:6-14.

Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. Deut. 32:21

I am sought of them "Gentiles" that ask not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name Isaiah 65:1; 1st Peter 2:9-10.

If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also; and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. St. John 14:7; 10:30; 1 Cor. 15:47; 2nd Cor. 5:19.

The only God anyone will ever see is Jesus Christ. St. John 1:18; Isaiah 7:14; 1st Tim. 3:16; St. John 1:14; Isaiah 9:6; Deut. 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; Hosea 13:4; St. John 1:1; Gen. 1:1; Isaiah 44:8; Isaiah 45:5-6; Isaiah 45:21; 1st Cor. 15:47; Heb. 2:10; Heb. 2:17.

God wrapped "veil" Himself up in flesh, because no-man was found in heaven and earth, beneath the earth, to rescue the perishing souls of mankind, Rev. 5:2-5; Heb. 10:7-9, Give God his glory, and after he destroy the works of the devil and that last enemy "death," Jesus will bow in and return from whence he came, "forth" Psalms 100-3; St. John 4:24, "ALL in all".

My reply

Yes, I have received the Holy Ghost (c. 1960).

> > Jesus/Yeshua, the eternal Son of God???? NOT SO!!!! Hebrews 10:5. Let God arise, let his enemies be scattered. Luke 8:10.

Then I have a few questions for you.

1. Who is "ME" that existed before "a body" in Heb 10:5? It says, 'Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared ME".

2. "WHAT IS HIS SON'S NAME" in Prov. 30:4? It says, "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and WHAT IS HIS SON'S NAME, if thou canst tell?"

3. Who is "THE SON OF GOD" in Dan. 3:25? It says, "He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like THE SON OF GOD."

4. Who was "ALPHA, "THE BEGINNING" who "WAS" in Rev 1:8? Jesus said, "I am ALPHA and Omega, THE BEGINNING and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which WAS, and which is to come, the Almighty."

5. Who was "THE BEGINNING" and "THE FIRST" in Rev 22:13? He says, I am Alpha and Omega, THE BEGINNING and the end, THE FIRST and the last."

6. Who IS "HIS SON" by whom he "MADE THE WORLDS" in Heb 1:12? It says, "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by HIS SON, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS".

7. Who "WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD" that made "ALL THINGS" in John 1:1-3? It says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH GOD, and the Word was God. The same WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

8. Who was the "ANGEL OF THE LORD" in Gen 22:11? It says, "THE ANGEL OF THE LORD called unto him OUT OF HEAVEN, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I."

9. Who was the "ANGEL OF THE LORD" in Ex 3:2? It says, "the ANGEL OF THE LORD appeared unto him IN A FLAME OF FIRE out of the midst of a bush".

10. Who was the "ANGEL OF THE LORD" who brought them out of Egypt and made a covenant with them in Jdg 2:1? It says, "And an ANGEL OF THE LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I MADE YOU TO GO UP OUT OF EGYPT, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break MY COVENANT with you."

11. Who was the "ARM OF THE LORD" in Isa 51:9? It says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O ARM OF THE LORD; awake, as IN THE ANCIENT DAYS, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) Rahab (Satan's planet, now our Asteroid Belt), and wounded the dragon (Satan)?"

> > The only God anyone will ever see is Jesus Christ.

That's true. I think man was created not being able to see God. Therefore, if we can still obey God, he will be proved perfectly just in putting Satan and his fallen angels in prison. They could see God and failed to obey him.

We will see God in the face of Jesus Christ. Rev. 22:3 says, "THE THRONE (one throne) OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB shall be in it; and his servants shall serve HIM (the GOD/LAMB): And they shall see HIS FACE (one face); and HIS NAME (singular) shall be in their foreheads." Agape

His reply

Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus! It's all in Jesus, any way one try to turn it, it's Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, who is GOD ALONE.

Incoming e-mail, Re: "10 regions coin and map do not agree"

I have found some website
(http://www.angelfire.com/tx4/nwo/ten-regions.html#10earthregions) with a list on them of the 10 regions and they correlate with the map not the coin.

1. North America
2. Western Europe
3. Japan
4. Australia, South Africa, and the rest of the market economy of the developed world
5. Eastern Europe, including Russia
6. Latin America
7. North Africa and the Middle East
8. Tropical Africa
9. South and Southeast Asia
10. China

HEAT OF THE MOMENT

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=92557

Mar 22, 09 - Shocker: 'Global warming' simply no longer happening
Temperatures dropping, fewer hurricanes, arctic ice growing, polar bear population up

My reply to Oliver Thomas, Biblical dates on Five Doves site

"Ted Porter (17 July 2009) Newton's Date"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2009/olivert718.htm

> > I have read The Coming Prince by Anderson and I think Anderson used the wrong start date for his 70 weeks interpretation. To began, he guesses that the prophecy started on the first day of Nisan, when the Bible only says it was in the month of Nisan. When the Bible doesn't give an exact date that means we can't use that scripture to determine an exact date as Anderson did.

DATES IN BIBLE WHEN ONLY MONTH IS GIVEN

As I understand it, we are to assume that the first of the month is meant, because the word for month is the word for new moon, which is the first of the month. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: "I am the LORD:" Deut. 6:4; Isaiah 42:8; Psalms 100-3.

Praise The Lord To All. "Nothing, but the truth shall prevail"

Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. "John 8:32; 14:17"

The Son of God is not the second person in the blessed Trinity as Christendom contends, but the ONE GOD "who was only Spirit" assuming "human flesh" for the work of redemption. If we seek the truth from the Word of God, the Old Testament is truly "monotheistic" in its entirety. Moses, the author of the Pentateuch is said by scholars to be founder of monotheism in Israel.

THE IDEA OF THE TRINITY ALWAYS MUST BE READ BACK INTO THE OLD TESTAMENT. The prophets who predicted the coming of a Saviour and a Redeemer, always declared that it would be God who would make His appearance for His redemptive work "Psalms 50:3; Isaiah 35:4; 59:16; 52:10; Micah 5:2". It is the prophet Isaiah that goes further and predicts that when God did make His appearance in the flesh, it would be in a miraculous fashion by a "virgin birth" (Isa. 7:14) and that "the child born, the son given, would be called Wonderful, Counselor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6).

The New Testament writers, being first Israelites and then Spirit-filled, concurred fully with the message of the prophets "Eph. 2:20". Therefore, St. John did not introduce the second person in his prologue to his Gospel account. However, St. John lets us know that the Word in the beginning was "God" (St. John 1:1), and that Word "God-Spirit" was made flesh "St. John 1:14" and tabernacled with men. He writes in his epistle that "the Word which was from the beginning had taken on corporeality and had "been seen, heard and handled" (1 John 1:1, 2).

The prophets showed that the impossibility of the Almighty in finding a suitable Redeemer "Isaiah 59:16-20; 63:5" caused Him "God," to take on the role Himself. Because those in need of redemption were children of "flesh and blood" God assumed "part of the same" for the work of redemption "Heb. 2:14-17". The Redeemer had to be a "kinsman", so our God became one with mankind through the incarnation; and since redemption's price was that of the "precious blood", He had to partake of flesh and blood.

The Virgin birth made it possible for our God to assume human flesh and a bloodstream not contaminated by "Adamic depravity", thereby making it capable and suitable for redemption "Heb. 9:12-14; 10:19.

Father became Son, He became what He was not, and remained what He was.

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Saints of the living God, be what you are, and live the life, God knows your heart, you can't get by, He's coming back to judge the world, be what you are, and live this life of holiness by example, somebody is watching your life, do they see you, or do they see Christ in you, the hope of glory?

My reply

> > The idea of the trinity ALWAYS must be read back into the Old Testament.

NOT ALWAYS, IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, ISA 48:16-18 REVEALS THE TRINITY

It says, "COME YE NEAR UNTO ME, HEAR YE THIS; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now THE LORD GOD (1), AND HIS SPIRIT (2), HATH SENT ME (3). Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer (i.e., YHWH of hosts, Jesus Christ), the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. O that thou hadst hearkened to MY COMMANDMENTS (i.e., at Mt. Sinai)! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea".

PROV 30:4 TALKS ABOUT TWO PERSONALITIES, YHWH AND HIS SON

It says, "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? (God) who hath gathered the wind in his fists? (God) who hath bound the waters in a garment? (God) who hath established all the ends of the earth? (God) what is his name (YHWH), and WHAT IS HIS SON'S NAME (JESUS), if thou canst tell?"

ISA. 44:6 MENTIONS TWO PERSONALITIES, THE FIRST AND THE LAST, BOTH GOD

It says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, AND his REDEEMER the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH, KING OF ISRAEL), AND I am the last (YHWH OF HOSTS, THE REDEEMER); and beside me there is no God."

THE NEW TESTAMENT AGREES

When introducing himself in The Revelation of Jesus Christ in Rev.1:8, Jesus said, I am ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY."

When signing off in Rev 22:13,Jesus said, I am Alpha AND Omega, the beginning (YHWH king of Israel) AND the end (YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer), the first AND the last."

IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, EX 24:10 SPEAKS OF THE THRONE OF THE GOD OF ISRAEL

It says, "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a SAPPHIRE STONE, and as it were (symbolic language) the body of HEAVEN (i.e., the heavenly body) in his (or its) clearness."

IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, EZE 1:1,26-28 SPEAKS OF THE THRONE OF THE GOD/MAN

It says, "Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of GOD....And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness (symbolic language) of A THRONE, AS THE APPEARANCE OF A SAPPHIRE STONE [sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani (Saturn) and priya (dear); as Jesus' September birthstone, it means heaven]: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a MAN (the God/man, Jesus) above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn is amber), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it (Saturn) had brightness round about. As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about (i.e., Saturn's rings). This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

IN REV 22:1-5, WE GET ANOTHER VIEW OF THE THRONE OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB

Rev 22:1-5 says, "And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of THE THRONE OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no more curse: but THE THRONE OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."

To get all the details, we have to look up passages in both the Old and New Testaments. Agape

THE BOOK OF JASHER

The Book of Jasher says, "And in some time after, when the kings and princes and the sons of men were speaking to Enoch, and Enoch was teaching them the ways of God, behold an angel of the Lord then called unto Enoch from heaven, and wished to bring him up to heaven to make him reign there over the sons of God, as he had reigned over the sons of men upon earth.

When at that time Enoch heard this he went and assembled all the inhabitants of the earth, and taught them wisdom and knowledge and gave them divine instructions, and he said to them, I have been required to ascend into heaven, I therefore do not know the day of my going....it was upon the seventh day that Enoch ascended into heaven in a whirlwind, with horses and chariots of fire." That sounds like when Elijah was translated." (http://www.ccel.org/a/anonymous/jasher/3.htm)

2Ki 2:11,12 says, "behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more"....

http://www.ccel.org/a/anonymous/jasher/42.htm

And Joseph continued to speak these words, and Joseph cried aloud and wept bitterly upon his mother's grave; and he ceased speaking, and from bitterness of heart he became still as a stone upon the grave.

And Joseph heard a voice speaking to him from beneath the ground, which answered him with bitterness of heart, and with a voice of weeping and praying in these words:

My son, my son Joseph, I have heard the voice of thy weeping and the voice of thy lamentation; I have seen thy tears; I know thy troubles, my son, and it grieves me for thy sake, and abundant grief is added to my grief.

Now therefore my son, Joseph my son, hope to the Lord, and wait for him and do not fear, for the Lord is with thee, he will deliver thee from all trouble.

Rise my son, go down unto Egypt with thy masters, and do not fear, for the Lord is with thee, my son. And she continued to speak like unto these words unto Joseph, and she was still.

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