Pro and Con 1513

Posted 10-1-09-09

Dove Nebula

Thank you for your prayers for David's recovery. After a month in the hospital, he is now at home and doing ok.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Old Chinese annals and the birth of Christ

The book, "Faith of our Fathers is a remarkable achievment, a profound examination of China's cultural origins and history as a reflection of a continous Chinese cultural sense of a connection with the divine. Chan Kei Thong reveals a persistent thread of Chinese theistic longing that parallels in a remarkable way the search of ancient Israel for a covenant with the true God. He also demonstrates that Chinese classical literature is entirely consistent with Christian revelation. This book is already having a profound impact on China in a Chinese version.".

"There is, as Dr. Aikman points out, a Chinese version of the book too. But unfortunately, the authorities have banned the book, we are told, and new editions of it will not be allowed to be printed in China. Therefore I am not sure how easy it is to get a hold of a copy. Anyway, it is (at least teh English version) published by 345 Xianxialu, Shanghai, China 200336 Publishing Group Orient Publishing Center and the ISBN is 7-80186-506-5 and published 2006 (in English). There is an email address to use when ordering copies, but who knows if it works any more. Anyway, it is oderfoof@yahoo.com

"Well, to business. Why I wanted you to know about this book is because it brings up some interesting things that can be found in the Chinese annals from about the time Jesus was born and the time he died. I cannot share all of it here but will give you just one example from the book.

"On page 312-313 Thong writes "The entry below is found in the Astronomy Records of the Book of the Han Dynasty (206 BC to 220 AD) from the second year of Jian Ping of Emperor Xiao Ai (reigned BC 7-1):"
"In the second month of the second year, a comet was out of Altair for more than 70 days. It is said 'comets appear to signify the old being replaced by the new'. Altair, the sun, the moon and the five stars are in movement to signify the beginning of a new epoch; the beginning of a new year, a new month and a new day. The appearance of this comet undoubtedly symbolizes change. THE EXTENDED APPEARANCE OF THIS COMET INDICATES THAT THIS IS OF GREAT IMPORTANCE." [end of quote from Astronomy Records].

"[Thong:] "The second month of the second year of Jian Ping correlates to March 9 to April 6, 5 B.C. This timeframe is highly significant because most experts place the birth of Jesus at 5 to 4 B.C. "

My comments

Altair, Alpha Aquilae, is the brightest star in the constellation Aquila (the Eagle that is falling) and the 12th brightest star in Earth's night sky. Aquila is a Decan in the constellation Capricorn, which is in Hebrew GEDI, meaning THE KID and CUT OFF.

In Hebrew, ALTAIR means THE WOUNDED. Aquila, the pierced one falling, is in Hebrew TARAED, which also means THE WOUNDED, referring to Jesus. Surely this comet near Altair in Aquila was a sign of the birth of Jesus, the son of David that was crucified to bear our sins.

April 6 is especially interesting because I think the Crucifixion was on April 6 (Julian) in 30 AD. Also, our son, David, now recovering from a ruptured appendix and pneumonia, was born on April 6. When he was born, I couldn't name him Brian, the name we had chosen. David flew into my head, and we named him David.
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"Some Notes on the Visibility of the 5BC Chinese Star"
http://www.astrosurf.com/comets/cometas/Star/Visibility_Star.pdf

The chronicle, the “Ch'ien-han-shu” states that:
"In the second year of the period of Ch'ien-p'ing, second month, a hui-hsing appeared in Ch'ien-niu for more than 70 days"
This record can be translated as:
“During the interval between March 10th and April 7th of 5 BC, a comet that was visible for more than 70 days appeared close to Alpha and Beta Capricornii”

Incoming e-mail, Re: What Do You Think?

Sept 29, 09...If you have the time and the energy to consider this post from 5 Doves (omitted here because of the length), I would greatly value your opinion! May God continue to bless you and shelter you! Agape

My reply

...What a day this has been....Dave had an X-ray today. His doctor thought his lungs looked ok. The CT scan must have been ok too. He had the liver drain and intravenous feeding tubes removed. Dave lost 22 pounds during his ordeal. He is weak, but can now start to get back the muscle tone he has lost....

> > Rev 6:17 For the great day(year) of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

I don't go for a day equals a year unless it is stated plainly in scripture. To me, the Day of God's Wrath is one literal day like no other. It is Jesus' Long Day, of which Joshua's Long Day was a type.

Dan. 12:1,2 says,"And at that time (when the False Prophet will come to his end, i.e., on the Day of God's Wrath; Dan. 11:45) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and THERE SHALL BE A TIME OF TROUBLE, SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION EVEN TO THAT SAME TIME: and at that time (on the Day of God's Wrath, Rev 6:17) thy people (the 144,000) shall be delivered (Raptured, Rev 7:14), every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake".

Rev 14:7: "Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the HOUR OF HIS JUDGMENT is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."

> > Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day(year) of God Almighty.

The asteroid Wormwood will impact Earth on the great Day of God Almighty. That can't last a year.

> > Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day(year), death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

> > Rev 10:7 But in the day(year)s of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

All 7 trumpet judgments hit the Earth on one day.

> > Rev 11:13 And the same hour(2 weeks) was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

I never heard of an earthquake that lasted 2 weeks. If they last a minute, that is a long time.

> > Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour(2 weeks) is thy judgment come.

The asteroid impacts Babylon, and it is destroyed in one literal hour.

> > I have come to believe, especially after reading the book “The False Prophet”, and after many failed attempts to make the whole 7-year thing work out, that everything in prophecy has been fulfilled, all the way up to the sixth trumpet of Revelation. What remains, in my mind, is the resurrection / Rapture, and the final Day(year) wrath, with the hour(2 week) part.

The Pre-Trib Rapture has not yet taken place. Therefore, the seven-sealed Title Deed of the Earth has not been given to Christ with the raptured saints looking on (Rev. 5:9). Therefore, the opening of the first seal has not yet taken place (Rev. 6), and the Tribulation saints have to be in Heaven (Rev. 7:14) before the first trumpet sounds in Rev. 8.

The Pre-Trib Rapture (Rev. 4:1) has to take place before the seven seals take place (Rev. 6). The Pre-Wrath Rapture (Rev. 7) takes place after the sixth seal is broken (Rev. 6). Out of the seventh seal come the seven trumpet judgments (Rev. 8). Out of the seventh trumpet come the seven vials of God's wrath (Rev. 15). The whole sequence is still future. It will begin with the Pre-Trib Rapture. God Bless you. Agape

Top Egyptian Daily: Joseph’s Era Coins Found in Egypt

by Hillel Fendel
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133601

"The researchers discovered the coins when they sifted through thousands of small archeological artifacts stored in [the vaults of] the Museum of Egypt. [Initially] they took them for charms, but a thorough examination revealed that the coins bore the year in which they were minted and their value, or effigies of the pharaohs [who ruled] at the time of their minting. Some of the coins are from the time when Joseph lived in Egypt, and bear his name and portrait.

My comments on "God's Signature of Authenticity"

http://star.wind.mystarband.net/bib/daniel_69_weeks_proof.html

> > Artaxerxes 7th year began 1 Tishri 458 by Ezra's reckoning according to the Jewish civil/fall calendar.
> > Ezra records his journey:
departing Babylon 1st day 1st month (Tishri) of Artaxerxes 7th year,
arriving Jerusalem 1st day 5th month of Artaxerxes 7th year, or from Tishri 458 B.C. to Shevat 457 B.C.
> > Artaxerxes issued the decree in 458 B.C.; plausibly as early as Shevat 458 B.C. but not later than Ezra's departure date 1 Tishri 458 B.C.

> > 464 B.C. is Artaxerxes 1st regnal year (see Artaxerxes Timeline), so; -464 + 6 = -458 B.C. (start of his 7th regnal year and year of Ezra's departure) and thus the decree was also issued sometime between Shevat and Elul in 458 B.C., prior to Ezra's departure.

Daniel 9:25,26 says, "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks (7 x 7 = 49 years), and threescore and two weeks (62 x 7 = 434 years) (49 + 434 = 483 years): the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off" (karath, killed). Jesus was crucified Nisan 13, 3790 (April 6, 30 AD).

Here is the way I figure it. Cyrus gave the initial command, but the work was delayed by those who did not want Jerusalem rebuilt. The final command was that of Artaxerxes, in 457 BC. After that the work was completed.

The 483 years of Daniel 9:25,26 ended in 27 AD (483 - 457 +1 [because there was no zero year between 1 BC and 1 AD] = 27 AD).

In 26 AD, the 15th year of Tiberius, Jesus was baptized near his birthday on Tishri 1, 3786.

AD 27 was the Jewish 3787, a Sabbatic Year (3787 divides by 7 equally). It was the year the Temple was 46 years in building. On the Day of Atonement, Jesus announced the coming Jubilee Year, 28 AD (3788) by reading Isa. 61:1,2 in the synagogue in Nazareth.

Concerning this Jubilee Year, Luke 4:16-21 says, "And he (Jesus) came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears."

Isa 61:1,2 says, "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; To proclaim the acceptable (ratson, delightful, i.e., the Jubilee) year of the LORD".

> > Messiah's triumphal entry into Jerusalem on Palm "Sunday" (which actually occurred on Saturday)

I think it actually was on Sunday.

> > Jesus Christ was baptized in water and in the Holy Spirit in 15th year of Tiberius Caesar; A.D. 12 + 15 -1 = A.D. 26 (note we subtracted 1 because there is no 0th year of Tiberius reign since it begins with year 1)

The 15th year of Tiberius was 26 AD, but below is how I figure it.
12 AD = 1st year of Tiberius
13 AD = 2nd year of Tiberius
14 AD = 3rd year of Tiberius
15 AD = 4th year of Tiberius
16 AD = 5th year of Tiberius
17 AD = 6th year of Tiberius
18 AD = 7th year of Tiberius
19 AD = 8th year of Tiberius
20 AD = 9th year of Tiberius
21 AD = 10th year of Tiberius
22 AD = 11th year of Tiberius
23 AD = 12th year of Tiberius
24 AD = 13th year of Tiberius
25 AD = 14th year of Tiberius
26 AD = 15th year of Tiberius

> > Hence, Jesus would have been "about thirty years of age" in the "fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar", exactly as Luke reported, beginning a 3 and 1/2 year ministry ending with Jesus' crucifixion on April 3rd of A.D. 30, approximately four months before His 34th birthday in August.

I went to the Calendar Converter at http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/calendar/ According to the Julian Calendar used then, Thursday was April 6, 30 AD. That would be April 4 if the Gregorian Calendar is extrapolated back to 30 AD.

I think Jesus was crucified on Nisan 13, 3790, Thursday, April 6, 30 AD (Julian). His four Passovers were in 27 AD, 28 AD, 29 AD, and 30 AD. In 27 AD, the Temple had been under construction 46 years. Following the Crucifixion, Jesus' next birthday would have been Saturday, Tishri 1, 3791, September 16, 30 AD (Julian), or September 14, 30 AD (Gregorian).

> > Messiah's triumphal entry into Jerusalem on Palm "Sunday" (which actually occurred on Saturday)

I think it was on Sunday.

> > was crucified on a Wednesday Passover in A.D. 30 at 34-plus years of age

I think the Crucifixion was Thursday, Nisan 13, 3790 (30 AD). It was on "the preparation of the Passover". Passover was Nisan 14 (Lev. 23:4,5). Jesus died about 3 PM on the preparation of the Passover, when the Passover lambs were being killed. They had to be roasted and eaten before midnight on Nisan 14. That was 6 hours after Nisan 14 began at 6 PM, for there were first 12 hours of night, then 12 hours of day for each Jewish date.

John 19:14 says, "And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour (9 AM, Roman time): and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!"

> > the overall duration of 69 weeks from Artaxerxes I decree in 458 B.C. (his 7th full regnal year) to Christ's baptism in A.D. 26, exactly 483 years (-458 + 483 +1 = 26). > > After Jesus Anointing (baptism) in A.D. 26, some 3 1/2 years later in A.D. 30 he was crucified

In the end, we agree. Here is my chart of Jesus' 3 1/2 year ministry.
26 AD (3786) Tiberius' 15th yr - Jesus baptized near Tishri 1, his 30th birthday
6 months after baptism - 27 AD (3787 - Sabbatic Yr) 1st Passover of Jesus' ministry
1 1/2 year after baptism - 28 AD (3788 - Jubilee Yr) 2nd Passover
2 1/2 years after baptism - 29 AD (3789) 3rd Passover
3 1/2 years after baptism - 30 AD (3790) 4th Passover - Jesus crucified on Nisan 13, Preparation of the Passover

Incoming e-mail, Re: Bride or Body of Christ

This was a good review of mixing Jew (the House of Israel) with Gentile the epistles of Paul. I am sure that you understand that neither Jesus Christ nor the 12 Apostles were EVER told to go and preach to the Gentiles. Only Paul the personal Apostle to the Gentiles appointed by Jesus Christ Himself, was sent "Apostle" to the Gentiles. Never does Paul use any of the 12 apostles teaching to preach to the Gentiles. Also Jesus Himself "forbid" any of the 12 including Himself to go to the Gentiles, as His Father did not send "Apostle" Him to them.

The point is from Gen to Acts 9 there is no mention of the mystery (assembly) the "Body of Christ". One "Israel" is Gods earthly "body" the other, the Christians are Gods heavenly Body

Earthly body Israel will go on into the "New heaven and Earth" along with some righteous gentiles to continue procreation in perfect harmony with Jesus Christ as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. While the "Body of Christ" the heavenly body, will be housed in the "New Jerusalem" the heavenly Bride of Christ.

The Point is the two the earthly body the House of Israel never in ALL OF SCRIPTURE mixes with the Mystery of Paul's teaching, the heavenly Body of Christ. To Israel salvation was/is by repentance for not receiving their Messiah and acceptance of Him as King. They to this day are waiting for the tribulation "Old Testament" and for the Messiah to then set up His earthly Kingdom and reign from the throne of David.

The Body of Christ therefore as taught by the Pauline epistles teach that there is neither Jew nor Gentile all are one in Christ Jesus. "Period" if you being Jew come by the calling of the Holy Spirit and accept the resurrection of Christ and the shedding of His blood for the sins of the world, you are no longer a Jew under the Law and as the Gentiles who do the same are one new creature in Christ Jesus. Do not try and mix Israel and the Christian "church" they don't mix... BUT and there is always a "but" all those in the heavenly body of Christ both Jew and Gentile will be in the new Jerusalem as the Bride of Christ. not dogma just the way I see it. Shalom

My reply

> > The Point is the two the earthly body the House of Israel never in ALL OF SCRIPTURE mixes with the Mystery of Paul's teaching, the heavenly Body of Christ.
> > One "Israel" is Gods earthly "body" the other, the Christians are Gods heavenly Body
> > Do not try and mix Israel and the Christian "church" they don't mix... BUT and there is always a "but" all those in the heavenly body of Christ both Jew and Gentile will be in the new Jerusalem as the Bride of Christ. not dogma just the way I see it.

However, there is some mixing. The heavenly city was planned from before the days of Adam, and some Old Testament saints will be in it.

Hebrews 11:15,16 says, "And truly, if they (Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham and Sara) had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city." Agape

My reply to a post on Five Doves, Re: "Proper way to count, biblically"

Dak (26 Sep 2009)
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/sep2009/dak926.htm

> > Here is what I consider an important question. How do you count, biblically?

As I understand it, only blocks of time are counted by Jewish Inclusive Reckoning, not running time.

We have a modern-day example. The Six-Day War lasted from June 5 through 10. To us, that would be a Five-Day War, but to the Jews, it was a Six-Day War. Day 5 is counted as day one.

A child was said to be one all during his first year of life. We don't call him one until he finishes his first year. Agape

God's Signature of Authenticity - fulfilled biblical prophecy.

...Luke's record of Jesus' baptism in Tiberius' 15th year in A.D. 26
Eusebius' record of Jesus' crucifixion in Tiberius' 18th year in A.D. 30

My reply to "Date of Jesus' birth"

berean@starband.net
http://star.wind.mystarband.net/bib/jesus_birthdate.html

> > However, the earlier dates in the weeks of August 3, 7 B.C. and August 23, 6 B.C. are both discounted as they violate the synchronism that Jesus be "about 30" in 26 A.D., leaving the week of August 11, 5 B.C. (all Gregorian dates) as the best-fit for the birth of Jesus Christ.

Jesus was about 30 when he stood up in the synagogue and read Isa. 61.1.2. That was when he announced the coming Jubilee Year which started the following Nisan 1, 3788, in 28 AD. I understand that both Jerome and Eusebius indicated that 28/29 AD was a Jubilee Year. It makes good sense, because 3787 was a Sabbatic Year. It divides by 7 evenly.

Therefore, Jesus read Isa. 61,1,2 on the Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, 3787, a Sabbatic Year. His birthday on Tishri 1, 3757 (Sept. 4, 5 BC) the Feast of Trumpets, was near. His birth on the Feast of Trumpets was probably announced, as it is today, by the sounding of 100 trumpets.

JESUS COMES TO US AS THE FORMER AND LATTER RAIN, TISHRI 1 AND NISAN 1

Hosea 6:3 says, "Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and HE SHALL COME UNTO US AS THE RAIN, AS THE LATTER AND FORMER RAIN unto the earth." The former rain starts Tishri 1, date of his First Advent. The latter rain starts Nisan 1, date of his Second Advent and the beginning of the Jubilee Year that was announced on the previous Day of Atonement.

De 11:14 says, "I will give you the rain of your land in HIS DUE SEASON, the first rain and the latter rain".

Jer 5:24 says, "Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, IN HIS SEASON: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest."

James 5:7 says, "Be patient therefore, brethren, unto THE COMING OF THE LORD. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive THE EARLY AND LATTER RAIN."

Eze 29:17 sets the day, "in the first month, in the first day of the month, the word of the LORD came unto me." Then verse 21 says, "IN THAT DAY (i.e., first month, first day) will I cause the horn (king, i.e., YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer, Isa. 44:6) of the house of Israel to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (i.e., the Word, Jesus Christ, the YHWH of hosts) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD."

The redeemer, Jesus, is both the first and the last, in the KJV, he is both "LORD" of the Old Testament and "Lord" of the New Testament.

Isa 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH King of Israel), and I am the last (YHWH the Lord of hosts, the Redeemer); and beside me there is no God."

In Rev 1:8, Jesus said, " I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is (at the Rapture), and which was (at the First Advent), and which is to come (at the Second Advent), the Almighty." The First Advent was on Tishri 1 (Sept 4, 5 BC). The Second Advent will be on Nisan 1, maybe April 9, 2016, the first day of the Jubilee Year 5776 / /5777. The previous year, 5775, is a Sabbatic Year. It divides equally by 7.

> > A.D. 30 in which Jesus was crucified in the 18th year of Tiberius as reported by Eusebius...

> > Tiberius Claudius Nero was born on Nov 16, A.U.C. 712 = 42 BC On June 26 A.U.C. 757 = AD 4, he was adopted by Augustus and designated his successor,157 from which time he was called Tiberius Julius Caesar.

> > On Oct 23, A.U.C. 765 = AD 12, he celebrated a triumph for his military victories in Germany and Pannonia. Referring to this event, Suetonius158 says that "the consuls caused a law to be passed soon after this that he should govern the provinces jointly with Augustus and hold the census with him." The date when Tiberius thus began to govern the provinces jointly with Augustus was probably AD 12,159

Thanks for this news. I think 12 AD is when Tiberius began to reign as Co-Rex.

I found a coin minted in 13 AD with Augustus' head on one side and Tiberius' head on the other side.

My reply to a post on Five Doves site

Re: Jean Stepnoski (1 Oct 2009)
"Return To His Sheepfold"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2009/jeans101.htm

> > The Feast of Tabernacles is when the Master came to earth to dwell in a human body

I know that some say that John 1:14 means that he tabernacled among us, and therefore think he was born on Tabernacles. John 1:14 says, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us".

The word translated dwelt is Strong's G4637, skenoo, From G4636; to tent or encamp, that is, (figuratively) to occupy (as a mansion) or (specifically) to reside (as God did in the Tabernacle of old, a symbol fo protection and communion): - dwell.

G4636 is skeŻnos, From G4633; a hut or temporary residence, that is, (figuratively) the human body (as the abode of the spirit): - tabernacle.

G4633 is skene, Apparently akin to G4632 and G4639; a tent or cloth hut (literally or figuratively): - habitation, tabernacle.

Skenoo is correctly translated as "dwelt". The Word did become flesh and dwell among us. It doesn't have to be translated as he tabernacled among us. The word used was skenoo, not skene.

Instead of Tabernacles, Tishri 15, I think Jesus was born on Trumpets, Tishri 1, the time of the former rain, and will return on Nisan 1, the time of the latter rain in Israel. Consider the following verses.

Hosea 6:3 says, "the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and HE SHALL COME UNTO US AS THE RAIN, AS THE LATTER AND FORMER RAIN UNTO THE EARTH."

In Israel, the former rain starts Tishri 1; the latter rain starts Nisan 1 (Unger's Bible Dictionary). Jesus comes twice, each time on the first day of a first month.

Eze 29:17 sets the month and day. It says, "in the first month, in the first day of the month, the word of the LORD came unto me".Then Eze 29:21 says, "In that day (first month, first day of the month) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel (Jesus) to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (the Word) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD."

Joel 2:23 says, "Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month." De 11:14 says, "I will give you the rain of your land in HIS DUE SEASON, the first rain and the latter rain".

Jer 5:24 says, "Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, THAT GIVETH RAIN, BOTH THE FORMER AND THE LATTER, IN HIS SEASON: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks (shabua, lit., sevened) of the harvest.".

The "appointed weeks of the harvest" seems to tie in with Dan 9:24. It says, "Seventy weeks (shabua, sevened, i.e., 70 x 7 = 490 years) are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

Jesus will probably be anointed "the most Holy" on Tishri 1, his birthday and the Day of God's Wrath. It will be when Israel blows the alarm on the Feast of Trumpets, because Gog's army will be attacking Israel (Eze. 38:18-20). The Lord will fight for Israel that day, the great and terrible Day of the Lord.

Zec 14:1-3 says, "Behold, the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle." That will be Jesus' Long Day, of which Joshua's Long Day was a type.

There will be 7 months between that Tishri 1 and the following Nisan 1, the day of the Second Advent (Eze. 39:12,13). Therefore, I think the ending year of the 490 will be a Jewish Leap Year with the 13th month, Adar II.

To me, Tishri 1 and Nisan 1 for the two comings of the Lord fit perfectly. As soon as Adam was created, Tishri 1 began. That ties in beautifully for Jesus is called the Second Adam.

1Cor 15:47 says, "The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven." Agape

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