Pro and Con 1521

Posted 11-13-09

Surprise! the Papal army of 1868

"The Popes at War and the Fall of the Papal States"

By Dr. Clive Gillis, published in the English Churchman September 8 & 15, 2000

...Pius IX chose the childish dreamer Monsignor Saverio de Merode as his Minister of War. De Merode, a fanatical and wealthy Belgian papist, had been a soldier before entering the priesthood. Here was his opportunity to excel. He set about raising the Papal army ‘with more haste than intelligence’ fully expecting to reverse the gains of the patriots. He worked with the Jesuits on a press campaign aimed at mobilising Roman Catholic sentiment throughout Europe. His propaganda reached as far as the French in Quebec, where 507 Canadians became the first body of troops from that land to fight abroad....

An astonishing post on Five Doves site: "Dec 13: Ringing Bells 350 times around the world for Climate Summit"

Jim Goodrick (13 Nov 2009)
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/jimg1113-5.htm http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.5c89ef2b65e54705267dd3c67d9f1199.121&show_article=1

Using Sunday for political causes. ... snippets

Ringing Bells 350 times around the world on Sunday Dec. 13, 2009 for climate treaty.
Copenhagen, Denmark is having their Climate Summit from December 7 --18, 2009.
The Sunday in-between is targeted for Christian cooperation.

"The leading council of Christian and Orthodox churches also invited places of worship for other faiths to join a symbolic "chain of chimes and prayers" stretching around the world from the international date line in the South Pacific.

"On that Sunday, ( Dec. 13, 2009) midway through the UN summit, the WCC ( World Council of Churches) invites churches around the world to use their bells, drums, gongs or whatever their tradition offers to call people to prayer and action in the face of climate change," the council said in a statement.

My comments

Bells are to be rung 350 times. What a shock that would be if the Rapture happened at that time. It might be global consternation.

"The leading council of Christian and Orthodox churches also invited places of worship for OTHER FAITHS to join a symbolic "CHAIN OF CHIMES AND PRAYERS" STRETCHING AROUND THE WORLD FROM THE INTERNATIONAL DATE LINE IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC"....

Just think. The WCC represents about 560,000,000 Christians in 110 nations.

The chimes are to start at 3.00 pm local time. There just might be more in the air than a climate change that day.

Dec. 13, my 81st birthday, will be Kislev 24, according to the New Crescent Moon of Tishri being late. Tishri 1 would have been Sept. 21 instead of Sept. 19, as on the Jewish Calendar. The news of lots of noise around the world on that day sounds to me like the Lord is going by the Moon, not the present Jewish Calendar. There will be lots of noise at the time of the Rapture.

Do you suppose the enemy is trying to drown out the Lord's shout? 1Th 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a SHOUT, with the VOICE of the archangel, and with the TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

EVEN AT THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE, "THE LORD GOD SHALL BLOW THE TRUMPET."

1Cor 15:51-53 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for THE TRUMPET SHALL SOUND, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

Zech 9:14,15 says, "And THE LORD SHALL BE SEEN OVER THEM (the Sign of the Son of Man), and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and THE LORD GOD SHALL BLOW THE TRUMPET, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south. The LORD of hosts shall defend them".

"...they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds." Mark 13:26

Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from THE FACE OF HIM (Jesus, the God/Man) THAT SITTETH ON THE THRONE, and from the wrath of the Lamb".

Eze 1:1,26 "the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of GOD....And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a MAN above upon it."

Gorbachev wants a New World Order, and so did Pope John Paul II

By Alexander Osipovich (AFP) – Nov 3, 2009
http://www.google.com:80/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gwWTO_BvBYEAKmMbwniNbCksuj5g

"Only in cooperation with Russia and the United States can Europe play its role in the global process of creating a new world order," he said, adding this had been a dream of his "good acquaintance" the late pope John Paul II.

A SIGN? "Asteroid passes just 8,700 miles from Earth - with only 15 hours warning"

By Claire Bates, 11-11-2009 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1226672/Asteroid-scrapes-past-Earth-just-8-700miles-away--15-hours-warning.html

...Earth was almost hit by an asteroid last Friday....Its orbit brought it 30 times nearer than the Moon, which is 250,000 miles away....

the tumbling rock was only 23ft across. Similar sized objects pass by this close to Earth about twice a year and impact on the planet about once every five years....

2009 VA, would have almost completely burned up while entering Earth's atmosphere, causing a brilliant fireball in the sky but no major damage to the surface....

It was the third-closest known (non-impacting) Earth approach on record for a cataloged asteroid.

Incoming e-mail, Re: When Are We Looking for the Rapture Now?

I was looking at Wed Nov 4th for a possible Rapture date. With 40 days of rain ending December 14th Kislev 27, should we look to this date for the Rapture?

Remember, the prophecy that speaks about Kislev? Does it tie into this 40 days of rainfall and rapture somehow? Agape

My reply

I am looking for the First-Trump Rapture on Kislev 24, 5770, Dec. 11 (or 13, according to the actual sighting of the New Moon of Tishri), 2009.

Last Sept. 19 was Tishri 1, according to the Jewish Calendar, but the new crescent Moon wasn't sighted in Israel until after sundown on Sept. 20. Therefore, Tishri 1 should have been Sept. 21.

Cheshvan 17 (Nov. 4, 2009), when the Lord shut the door of the Ark, was when it began to rain. The Ark was still on the ground, but by the end of 40 days and nights of rain, the Ark had finally floated free of the ground.

It looks like the Rapture could take place near the end of the 40 days following Cheshvan 17, Nov. 4, 2009.

The 40th day would be Dec. 14, or Dec. 13 by Jewish Inclusive Reckoning.

Haggai 2:18,19 says, "Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month (Kislev 24), even from the day that the foundation (Jesus, I Cor 3:11) of the LORD'S temple (believers, I Cor 6:19) was laid (i.e., conceived), consider it. Is the seed (Jesus, Gen. 3:15) yet in the barn (slang for womb)? yea (yes, Jesus was conceived on Kislev 24), as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the OLIVE TREE, hath not brought forth (NASA, lift up, arise; i.e., been caught up in the Rapture): from this day (Kislev 24) will I bless you."

Job 30:22 is interesting. It says, "Thou liftest (NASA) me up to the wind; thou causest me to ride upon it, and dissolvest my substance."

The olive harvest ends on Kislev 24. It sure looks like the First-Trump Rapture will be on Kislev 24.

The 24th of Kislev, 5770 = Fri, 11 December 2009 by the Jewish Calendar. If going by the Moon, it would be Dec. 13, my birthday.

Isa 57:1,2 says, "The righteous perisheth (abad, ESCAPES), and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are TAKEN AWAY (asaph, removed, taken up; i.e., raptured), none considering that THE RIGHTEOUS IS TAKEN AWAY FROM THE EVIL TO COME. HE SHALL ENTER INTO PEACE: they shall rest in their BEDS, each one walking in his uprightness."

Psa 149:1,5-9 says, "Praise ye the LORD. SING UNTO THE LORD A NEW SONG, and his praise in the congregation of saints. Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them SING aloud upon their BEDS. Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD."

Rev 5:9,10 says, "And they (the saints in Heaven) SUNG A NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, over) the earth."

The only other saints that can sing the NEW SONG are the 144,000 Israelites that will be caught up to Heaven in the Last-Trump Rapture.

Rev. 14:2-5 says, "And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great THUNDER: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed FROM THE EARTH. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are VIRGINS. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God." Agape

PS:
> > The forty days and nights of rainfall which covered the face of earth with water in Noah's time ended on Kislev 27 of the year 1656 from creation (2105 BCE. The flood itself lasted a full year, as related in Genesis 6-8).

It rained 40 days, which is Cheshvan 17 to Kislev 27 in 5770 (Dec 14, 2009), because Cheshvan has 30 days this year. In some types of Jewish years, it has 29 days. In those years, the 40 days would end on my birthday, Dec. 13.

My reply to a post on Five Doves

Re: Ron Reese (7 Nov 2009)
"FOUND IN BOOK OF REVELATION--OBAMA'S CONFIRMING OF COVENANT OCT. 29, 2009!!!"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/ronr117.htm

> > Obama is the Antichrist, and...the 70th Week of Daniel runs from Oct. 29, 2008, until Feast of Atonement, Sept. 23, 2015, EXACTLY 2520 days.

i would like to discuss five things, Who is the Antichrist, How long will the 70th week of Daniel last, What day will the 70th week end on, What day will the 70th week start on? and WHEN COULD THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE TAKE PLACE? These are my opinions. I am not a prophet. I have just studied the Bible as hard as I can go ever since 1960.

Just in case you are counting totally on the full 2520-day Tribulation, and it is to be shortened to 2300 days, will you consider the possibility that the Tribulation could have started last Pentecost, May 29, 2009, and could end on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015? If we can just lay our preconceived opinions aside for the moment, let's just see what the scriptures indicate.

1. WHO IS THE ANTICHRIST?

The time of Rev. 13:1 is the beginning of the 70th week of Daniel that we call the Tribulation. It says, "I...saw a beast rise up out of the sea (nations and people, Rev. 17:15), having SEVEN HEADS and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and UPON HIS HEADS (all 7) THE NAME OF BLASPHEMY." The same name of blasphemy is upon each of the 7 leaders. What could it be?

The 7 heads are the rulers of 7 empires: (1) Babel, (2) Babylon II, (3) Media-Persia, (4) Greece, (5) Holy Roman Empire, (6) Ecclesiastical Rome, and (7) Babylon III.

Upon all 7 of the rulers is the same "NAME OF BLASPHEMY," PONTIFEX MAXIMUS (High Priest). It is blasphemy because Jesus is our High Priest. They are usurping his title. Nimrod, at the Tower of Babel, called himself Pontifex Maximus of the Mystery Religion of Babylon that he and Semiramis concocted with Satan's prodding. In Satan's counterfiet religion, she and their son Tammuz were worshiped as madonna and child. Semiramis spread the story that Tammuz was killed by a wild boar and then came back to life. Satan always tries to counterfeit the truth to confuse mankind.

After Nimrod, Nebuchadnezzar was the Pontifex Maximus, etc. So were all the Caesars. In 376 A.D., Gratian became the first Roman emperor to refuse the title Pontifex Maximus. It is on the coins each Caesar minted. I looked them up to make sure. It is on the Pope, head of the Ecclesiastical Roman Empire, and it will be on the beast of Rev. 13:3-10.

Rev. 6:2 says, "I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow (toxon, simple fabric; i.e., he is a man of the cloth, a religious leader); and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."

Rev 13:2-8 says, "And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard (Greece, Dan. 7), and his feet were as the feet of a bear (Media-Persia), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (Babylon): and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat (throne), and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death (i.e., the Holy Roman Empire fell); and his deadly wound was healed (Ecclesiastic Rome took the reins): and all the world wondered after the beast (the Pope). 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? (no one) 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and BLASPHEMIES; and power was given unto him to CONTINUE (i.e., he is already in power) forty and two months (3.5 years). 6 And he opened his mouth in BLASPHEMY AGAINST GOD, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM (the Bride saints have already been raptured) THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (the Tribulation saints), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations (including people belonging to non-Christian religions). 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

This man, the Pope, is already in office when the First-Trump Rapture takes place. At the time of the Rapture, Rev. 17:10-15 says, "And there are seven kings: five are fallen (Babel, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece and the Holy Roman Empire), and ONE IS (the Pope, leader of the Roman Ecclesiastical Empire), and the other (the False Prophet) is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a SHORT SPACE (the shortened Great Tribulation, the last half of the 7 year Tribulation. And the beast (Satan) that was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man now), even he is the eighth (when he indwells the False Prophet), and is of the seven (i.e., controls the 7), and goeth into perdition (he enters into the False Prophet, the last son of perdition; Judas Iscariot was the first). And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet (i.e., at the time of the First-Trump Rapture); but receive power as kings one hour with the beast (the Satan-possessed Falso Prophet). These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb (Jesus), and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: AND THEY THAT ARE WITH HIM (i.e., the already raptured Bride saints) ARE CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL."

2. HOW LONG WILL THE SHORTENED 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL LAST?

2300 days. Dan. 8:13,14,17 says, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (tamiyd, indefinite extension; i.e., this time we are living in now), and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed...Understand, O son of man: for at the time of THE END shall be the vision."

3. WHAT DAY WILL THE 70TH WEEK END ON?

The Feast of Trumpets, which is also the great and terrible Day of the Lord and the Day of God's Wrath (Rev. 6:17). It is also the day of the Last-Trump Rapture. Psa 47:5-7 says, "God IS GONE UP WITH A SHOUT, THE LORD WITH THE SOUND OF A TRUMPET."

Joel 2:1,2 says, "Blow ye the TRUMPET in Zion, and sound an ALARM in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the DAY OF THE LORD COMETH, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong (Gog's army, Eze. 38:18-22); there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations."

Joel 1:14,15 gives us the scene in Heaven on the Feast of Trumpets, the day of the Last-Trump Rapture. It says, "Sanctify ye a fast (i.e., the Days of Awe are starting, leading up to the Day of the Atonement, a fast day), call a solemn assembly (the General Assemby of Heb. 12:23), gather the elders (who were caught up in the First-Trumpet Rapture) and all the inhabitants of the land (at the Last-Trump Rapture, Rev. 7:14) into the house of the LORD your God, and cry unto the LORD, THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD is at hand. Alas for the day! for THE DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and as a DESTRUCTION from the Almighty shall it come."

Heb 12:22-24 says, "ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the GENERAL ASSEMBLY and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant".

No wonder Nu. 10:9 says, "if ye go to war in your land against the enemy that oppresseth you, then ye shall BLOW AN ALARM WITH THE TRUMPETS; and ye shall be remembered before the LORD your God, and ye shall be saved from your enemies."

Zec 9:14 says, "And the LORD shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord GOD SHALL BLOW THE TRUMPET, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south."

Mt 24:30,31 says, "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

1Cor 15:51-53 says of the Last-Trump Rapture, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

4. WHAT DAY COULD THE 70TH WEEK START ON

Using Jewish Inclusive Reckoning, because it is a block of time, counting back 2300 days from the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015, brings us to Pentecost, May 29, 2009.

Therefore, the 70th week could have started on a feast day, Pentecost, and will end on a feast day, the Feast of Trumpets.

5. WHEN COULD THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE TAKE PLACE?

It could be Kislev 24, Dec. 11, 2009, or Dec. 13, because Tishri 1 should have started Sept. 21 instead of Sept. 19. The new crescent Moon was sighted in Jerusalem on Sept. 20. That would make Sept. 21 Tishri 1.

Haggai 2:15,17,18 says, "And now, I pray you, consider from this day and upward, from before a stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of the LORD...Consider now from this day and UPWARD, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation (Jesus) of the LORD'S temple was laid (i.e., when Jesus was conceived), consider it. Is the seed (seed of the woman, Gen. 3:15) yet in the barn (slang for the womb)? yea, as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the OLIVE TREE, hath not brought forth: from this day will I bless you."

Maybe we are the olive harvest. It ends on Kislev 24. We are the Temple of the Holy Spirit, and Kislev 25 is the feast of the dedication (of the Temple), Hanukkah. It looks like we might celebrate Hanukkah in Heaven. What do you think? Agape

My reply to an email (omitted because of its length

> > Nobody ever had a proper interpretation of Rev. 8:1 about the silence in heaven for about an half an hour. UNTIL IT HAPPENED. THE EXACT LENGTH OF OBAMA'S SPEECH ON OCT. 29, 2008!!!!!! All of Heaven stood stunned and speechless for 30 minutes as the Antichrist was revealed and the 1st day of the 70th Week of Daniel was revealed.

There will be silence in both Heaven and Earth on the DAY OF THE LORD, which is the Day of the Judgment Seat of Christ and the Day of God's Wrath.

THE SILENCE IN HEAVEN

Rev 8:1,2 says, "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was SILENCE IN HEAVEN about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets."

These are trumpets of judgment.

THE SILENCE ON EARTH

Hab 2:20 says, "the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the EARTH KEEP SILENCE before him."

Isa 41:1 says, "KEEP SILENCE BEFORE ME, O ISLANDS; and let the people renew their strength: let them come near; then let them speak: let us come near together to JUDGMENT."

I think the reverant silence is while Jesus is being seated as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015, the day like no other - ever.

Rev 11:15-19 says of that day, "And the seventh angel sounded (the 7th trumpet); and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art (ON THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH), and wast (AT THE FIRST ADVENT), and art to come (AT THE SECOND ADVENT, WHICH IS 7 MONTHS AFTER THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH, Eze 39:12,13); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be JUDGED, and that thou shouldest GIVE REWARD unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; AND SHOULDEST DESTROY them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament (with the 2 stone tablets which represent the 2 asteroids that will be cast to Earth because the commandments were not kept): and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake (Eze. 38:20), and great hail."

Eze. 38:18-23 says, "And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel (i.e., when the asteroid hits the Mediterranean Sea); So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the EYES of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD." On that day, people will see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky. Jesus will be seen sitting on his throne.

On that day, men will hide in caves and rocks, because the asteroids will impact Earth. The mountain-sized one will hit the Mediterranean Sea, washing Gog's army out of Israel's hair. Only 1/6th of Gog's army will be left to flee to Siberia.

Eze 39:1-3 says, "Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel: And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand."

Eze 39:12,13 says, "And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (i.e., at the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."

Here is Dan. 9:27. "And he (the prince that shall come, i.e., the False Prophet) shall confirm (strengthen) the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (when he sits in the Temple showing himself that he is God), and for the overspreading of abominations (idols) he shall make it (the Temple) desolate, even until the consummation (the Feast of Trumpets that ends the 2300-day Tribulation), and that determined (the two asteroids) shall be poured upon the desolate."

As you know, confirm is the Hebrew gabar. It means "to be strong; by implication to prevail, act insolently: - exceed, confirm, be great, be mighty, prevail, put to more [strength], strengthen, be stronger, be valiant."

To me, the end of the Tribulation seems to be the Feast of Trumpets on Sept. 14, 2015. There will be a partial solar eclipse that day. NASA lists it as Sept. 13, but it is after 6 PM (06:55:19) when the next Jewish day begins.

According to Dan. 8:13,14, the Tribulation lasts 2300 days. Therefore it seems to have started last Pentecost, May 29, 2009.

The 70th week of Daniel 9:27 could have started Oct. 21, 2008. That is 2520 days to the Feast of Trumpets on Sept. 14, 2015.

That is not far from your date of Oct. 29, 2008.

"THE END THEREOF SHALL BE WITH A FLOOD"

Dan 9:25 says, ..."the people (i.e., the Romans) of the prince that shall come (the False Prophet) shall destroy the city (Jerusalem) and the sanctuary (the Temple); and THE END thereof shall be with a FLOOD, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

The FLOOD will come when the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 hits the Mediterranean Sea.

Rev. 8:8,9 says, "And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into THE SEA: and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed."

Zeph 2:3-5 says, "seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid (by being caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture) in the DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER. For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. WOE UNTO THE INHABITANTS OF THE SEA COAST".

Hab 3:10-12 says, "The mountains saw thee, and they trembled: THE OVERFLOWING OF THE WATER PASSED BY: THE DEEP UTTERED HIS VOICE, AND LIFTED UP HIS HANDS ON HIGH. THE SUN AND MOON STOOD STILL in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. Thou didst march through the land in indignation, thou didst thresh the heathen in ANGER." Agape

My reply to incoming email

> > www.Heisnear.com
> > Times OnLine News: May 8, 2009
> > Pope Benedict says Catholic Church can Help Bring Peace to Mideast

I see that we agree on who is the first beast of Rev. 13.

Rev. 13:1-8 says, "I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast (the great red dragon) rise up out of the sea (nations and people, Rev. 17:15), having seven heads (leaders of 7 empires, Babel, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece, Holy Roman Empire, Ecclesiastical Roman Empire, and Babylon III) and ten horns (kings over the 10 regions the world has now been divided into), and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads (all 7) THE NAME OF BLASPHEMY (i.e., PONTIFEX MAXIMUS). And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard (Greece, Dan. 7), and his feet were as the feet of a bear (Media-Persia), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (Babylon II): and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

"And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death (the Holy Roman Empire); and his deadly wound was healed (the Ecclesiastical Roman Empire took the reins, and is headed up by the Pope): and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? (the Pope) who is able to make war with him? (no one) And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (first half of the Tribulation). And he opened his mouth in blasphemy AGAINST GOD, TO BLASPHEME HIS NAME, AND HIS TABERNACLE, AND THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (the Bride of Christ, raptured after the beast was already in office; he is the one who 'is' in Rev. 17:10).

"And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (foolish virgins left behind at the 1st Rapture), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

He will obviously head up the World Church, which will encompass heathen religions along with Christianity. Agape

Revelation 13

Rev 13:1 (KJV) says, "I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads (i.e., on all 7) THE NAME OF BLASPHEMY." One name is on all seven The only name of blasphemy I have found that has been upon the heads of state of all 7 empires (Babel, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece, Imperial Rome, Ecclesiastical Rome, and Babylon III is PONTIFEX MAXIMUS. I looked on the coins of all the Caesars, and there it was, PONTIFEX MAXIMUS. Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard (GREECE), and his feet were as the feet of a bear (MEDIA-PERSIA), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (BABYLON): and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death (THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE); and his deadly wound was healed (THE ROMAN ECCLESIASTICAL EMPIRE CAME TO POWER): and all the world wondered after the beast. Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? (THE POPE) who is able to make war with him? (NONE) Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him (i.e., AT THE BEGINNING OF THE TRIBULATION) to continue forty and two months (THE FIRST HALF OF THE TRIBULATION). Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN" (i.e., THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE COULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE A LITTLE AFTER THE TRIBULATION HAS BEGUN).

My reply to Bruce's post on the Five Doves site

Re: Bruce Warner (10 Nov 2009) "FOUR 'HEBREW' MONTHS IS 120 DAYS, SO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS........" Bruce, you said, > > It just so happens that by counting 'inclusively' from Thursday May 13, 2010 (Ascension Day) through Thursday September 9, 2010 (Rosh Hashanah/Feast of Trumpets) it is exactly 120 days ("four months more") in the year 2010 ! That fact surely makes Ascension Day of in May 2010 a good candidate for the Rapture of the Church according to: > > John 4:35 "Do you not say FOUR MONTHS MORE (120 days) and then the harvest? I tell you open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest. Even NOW the reaper draws his wages, even NOW HE HARVESTS THE CROP FOR ETERNAL LIFE" > > If the meaning of the word "now" is 120 days (four months) before Rosh Hashanah/Feast of Trumpets September 9, 2010 - Then the 'Rapture of the Church' is on Ascension Day 2010.

Just so you will take this into consideration in figuring the number of days between Ascension Day and the Feast of Trumpets, none of the months, Nisan through Tishri, ever change in length, so the number of days between Passover and the Feast of Trumpets is constant, no matter which year it is. The variation starts with Cheshvan.

Nisan 30
Iyar 29
Sivan 30
Tamuz 29
Av 30
Elul 29
Tishri 30
Cheshvan, either 29 or 30

Therefore, the number of days between Ascension Day and the Feast of Trumpets is constant, no matter which year it is.

John 4:35 counts months, not days. Barley shows white at harvest time. Wheat stays golden. The barley harvest starts on Firstfruits. If the Rapture is Kislev 24 (Haggai 2:18,19), the four months before harvest would be Teveth, Shevat, Adar and Nisan. Agape

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