Pro and Con 1522

Posted 11-16-09

How do we pay respect on Veteran's Day?

RAPTURE ON SUNDAY

If the Rapture is Dec. 13, Kislev 24 (as in Haggai 2:18,19), according to the New Crescent Moon of Tishri, will be on Sunday.

In the Preview of the Rapture, Rev. 1:9-11 says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion IN TRIBULATION, and in the kingdom and patience (hupomone, patient continuence, waiting) of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos (meaning mortal), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on THE LORD'S DAY, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a TRUMPET, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last".

"THE LORD'S DAY" in Greek is to kuriakos hemera, THE Lord's Day, Sunday. It is not the Day of the Lord, which is the Day of God's Wrath, "that will come as a thief in the night". 2Pe 3:10 says, "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. "

THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT

The wise virgins will probably be raptured on Kislev 24, 40 days after Cheshvan 17 (by Jewish inclusive reckoning) as the Ark was raised in the days of Noah, in a year in which Kislev 24 falls on Sunday.

KISLEV 24

Haggai 2:15,18,19 gives us the Kislev 24 date the Rapture will take place on or soon after. It says, "And now, I pray you, consider from this day (Kislev 24) and UPWARD, from before a stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of the LORD...Consider now from this day and UPWARD, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month (Kislev 24), even from the day that the foundation (Jesus) of the LORD'S temple was laid (i.e., conceived), consider it. Is the seed (seed of the woman, Jesus) yet in the barn? (an idiom for in the womb) yea, as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not brought forth: from this day (Kislev 24, date of Jesus' conception) will I bless you."

SUNDAY, NOT THE DAY OF THE LORD, WHICH IS THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH

Rev 1:8-11 gives us the day of the week the Rapture will take place on. It says, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos (meaning mortal), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was (lit., BECAME) IN THE SPIRIT ON THE LORD'S DAY (SUNDAY), and heard behind me a GREAT VOICE, AS OF A TRUMPET (i.e., the trumpet of God), Saying, I (Jesus Christ) am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last".

AS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH, WHEN THE ARK FLOATED ON THE 40TH DAY

In the chart below, I used Jewish Inclusive Reckoning ("+ 39 days"), because 40 days is a block of time. The first day is day number one. An example is the Six-Day War. It lasted from June 5 through 10. The 5th was correctly counted by Jewish Inclusive Reckoning as day number 1.

According to the Fig Tree Parable in Mt. 24:32-34, there will only be one generation between the Six-Day War and the Day of the Lord that is the Day of God's Wrath.

The astonishing thing is that only ONE date in the list below falls on SUNDAY, the Lord's Day, and it is Dec. 13, 2009. To me, that looks like the day of the Rapture. If so, it will be a wonderful birthday present for me. I would go from 81 years old to a state where our flesh will be as fresh as a child's. Ed would be able to walk like he used to. What a wonderful thing the Rapture is to look forward to. We don't want to miss out on this.

ONLY ONE SUNDAY IN THE LIST

Cheshvan 17, 5770 (Nov 4, 2009) + 39 days = Kislev 26, SUNDAY, Dec 13, 2009
Cheshvan 17, 5771 (Oct 25, 2010) + 39 days = Kislev 26, Friday, Dec 3, 2010
Cheshvan 17, 5772 (Nov 14, 2011) + 39 days = Kislev 27, Friday, Dec 23, 2011
Cheshvan 17, 5773 (Nov 2, 2012) + 39 days = Kislev 27, Tuesday, Dec 11, 2012
Cheshvan 17, 5774 (Oct 21, 2013) + 39 days = Kislev 26, Friday, Nov 29, 2013
Cheshvan 17, 5775 (Nov 10, 2014) + 39 days = Kislev 27, Friday, Dec 19, 2014
Cheshvan 17, 5776 (Oct 30, 2015) + 39 days = Kislev 26, Tuesday, Dec 8, 2015
Cheshvan 17, 5777 (Nov 18, 2016) + 39 days = Kislev 27, Tuesday, Dec 27, 2016

THE TRIBULATION SAINTS' RAPTURE IS AS THE DAYS OF LOT

We are to be raptured as the days of Noah. The Tribulation saints are to be raptured as the days of Lot. On the Day of the Lord at the end of the shortened Tribulation, the Tribulation saints, including the 144,000 Israelites and the foolish virgins, will be raptured, as in the days of Lot, just before an asteroid impacts Earth.

THE SCENE IN HEAVEN RIGHT AFTER THE FIRST RAPTURE

Rev 1:12-18 describes the scene in Heaven right after the first Rapture. It says, "I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks (representing the 7 churches); And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man (Jesus), clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle (sign of deity). His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars (i.e., the leaders of the 7 church groups): and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first (YHWH king of Israel) and the last (YHWH of hosts, Jesus Christ, Isa. 44:6): I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

Water Found On The Moon

www.space.com/.../090923-moon-water-discovery.html

UNKNOWN TO THOSE ASKING FOR THEM TO RING, CHURCH BELLS AROUND THE WORLD MAY MARK THE DAY OF THE RAPTURE

United Nations Green Religion squeezing Jesus out of the House of God
By Judi McLeod Friday, Nov 13, 09
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/16809

The church bells are a call to action on global warming

...Church bells around the world, which call Christians worldwide into church on Sundays, will join the din of drums and gongs to sound a UN ordered message 350 times on December 13 during the Copenhagen climate change summit. The church bells are a call to action on global warming.

“The leading council of Christian and Orthodox churches also invited places of worship for other faiths to join a symbolic “chain of chimes and prayers” stretching around the world from the international date line in the South Pacific.” (Breitbart, Nov. 12, 2009).

“By sounding their bells or other instruments 350 times, participating churches will symbolise the 350 parts per million that mark the safe upper limit for C02 (carbon dioxide) in the atmosphere according to many scientists.”...

Incoming e-mail, Re: HELP

Do you have access to an online bible study that can be used to Easily look up the Greek word.........ie like an interlinear bible?

I was using Croswswalk and they changed formats?

thanks a bunch/ how are you and Ed?

My reply

I have Green's Interlinear Bible (4 volumes), Young's and Strong's Concordances, but I use e-Sword the most. It is free, and on my own computer. It also has Thayer and Brown-Driver-Briggs. You can change with a click. He has a newer version out than mine, but I would have to download the Bibles again, so I stick to what I have. Go to: www.e-sword.net/

I have 12 free Bibles on it, but the first download gave me KJV and KJV+, which is with Strong's Concordance.

We are ok, but Ed can barely walk. I have to help him do some things.

Hope the Rapture will be Dec. 13, Kislev 24, according to the Moon. The New Crescent Moon of Tishri was seen on Sept. 20. Thus, Sept. 21 would have been Tishri 1 instead of Sept. 19. For more on Kislev 24, see Haggai 2:18,19. It looks like we will be the olive harvest. It ends on Kislev 24.

Churches are supposed to ring their bells 350 times that day. It sure seems like a good time to get out of here. The 4 months mentioned in John 4:35 would be Teveth, Shevat, Adar and Nisan. John 4:35 says, "Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest." Next year, 5771, is a Leap Year with an Adar II. For several reasons, it looks most favorable to me this year. Agape

Gorbachev Calls for a New World Order

Gorbachev 'proud' of role in fall of Berlin Wall
By Alexander Osipovich (AFP) – Nov 3, 2009
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gwWTO_BvBYEAKmMbwniNbCksuj5g

Gorbachev criticised "dividing lines" that he said had reappeared in the world and called on the United States, Russia and Europe to cooperate in creating a "fairer" world order....

"Only in cooperation with Russia and the United States can Europe play its role in the global process of creating a NEW WORLD ORDER," he said, adding this had been a dream of his "good acquaintance" the late pope John Paul II.

Microchiping included in Healthcare Bill?

Daily Paul, Nov 13, 09
http://www.infowars.com/microchiping-included-in-healthcare-bill/

Buried deep within the over 1,000 pages of the massive US Health Care Bill (PDF) in a “non-discussed” section titled: Subtitle C-11 Sec. 2521— National Medical Device Registry, and which states its purpose as:

“The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that—‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and ‘‘(B) is a class III device; or ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable.”

A post on the Five Doves site: Re: "KIERSTIN'S FRIEND HAS RAPTURE DREAM 3 TIMES"

Ola Ilori (14 Nov 2009)
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/ola1114.htm

This is what he told me:

My mom, him and I were standing together, all facing the same way. We looked up and he said he saw a swirl of light in the sky and then a light shot down from it. He then turned to us and said "You were right..." then went to give us a hug but we vanished before he could.. He said he knew we were going to go but he still began to look for us everywhere but just couldn't find us. We were gone.

My comment

Our son David had a dream a few years ago in which he, Ed, and I all three went up together from our front yard. He said that there was no sensation of wind even though we were going up fast. I reminded him of it when he was in the hospital with a ruptured appendix and thought he was going to die. I told him that was not allowed, and that I thought it would come out as in his dream, that we all three would go up together.

Now, he is at home, and we are all three hoping for the Rapture on my birthday, Dec. 13, Kislev 24, according to the sighting of the New Crescent Moon of Tishri on Sept. 20, 2009. Tishri 1 should have been Sept. 21 instead of Sept. 19, according to the Jewish Calendar. That would move Kislev 24 from Dec. 11 to the 13th.

That is the day the World Council of Churches has asked for the churches of the world to ring their bells 350 times and beat drums, etc at 3 PM local time, all around the world. This is not because they are Christian, but to raise awareness of global warming issues.

""By sounding their bells or other instruments 350 times, participating churches will symbolise the 350 parts per million that mark the safe upper limit for CO2 (carbon dioxide) in the atmosphere according to many scientists,"

We don't cause global warning, the Sun does, and we can't control the Sun. There must be a more sinister reason for the noise called for around the world at that particular time, when the Climate Summit is in session. Is Satan trying to drown out the Lord's shout, the voice of the Archangel and the trump of God? We will know soon.

Incoming e-mail, Re: A Blessing of Winter Rapture Kislev 24?

A Blessing of Winter
Within the pages of the Bible, relatively few dates are mentioned. Because of this, and because God works in similar patterns and many of the prophecies have a dual fulfillment, when prophetic dates are mentioned, they take on a special significance.

The book of Haggai is one that is noted for its exactly dated prophecies. Specifically, its last two prophecies are given on, and revolve around, the twenty-fourth day of the ninth month, a day known simply as Kislev 24. Kislev falls during the months of November and December on the Gregorian calendar, near the beginning of winter. This date—Kislev 24—is easy to calculate because it is always the day before the Jews celebrate Hanukkah

Historically, this date has been highly significant on a number of occasions. It was on Kislev 24 that the Temple was freed from grasp of Antiochus Epiphanes. The cleansing of the Temple, desecrated by Antiochus, began that evening, which, since it was after sunset, was technically Kislev 25. This historical event constitutes the origin of Hanukkah.

A lesser-known fact is that it was also on Kislev 24 in 1917, during World War I, that British troops liberated Jerusalem from the Ottoman Empire. Just as the Temple was destroyed on the same date—Av 9—on two different occasions, hundreds of years apart, so also Because Kislev 24 has been highly momentous in the history of Jerusalem and the Temple, the Temple has been liberated from foreign hands on the same date—Kislev 24.the appearance of the date in Haggai, may be significant again, especially considering the dualities of these prophecies.

The first Kislev 24 prophecy, found in Haggai 2:10-19, concerns the uncleanness of the covenant people, and God's response to it. Through a series of questions that Haggai asks the priests, God makes the point that uncleanness is transferable, but holiness is not. Defilement or impurity can spread from an object to a person to another object, but purity and holiness cannot.

This is especially relevant in light of what was happening at the time. The people and the leaders were finally in the process of building the dwelling place of the Holy God. It contained a number of objects that were also holy, as well as the Most Holy Place. Yet, even the presence of God could not, by itself, make the people clean. In order to make the nation clean, it would take something more than just having the Temple nearby, with all of its holy objects and even the glory of God. Something else was required to cleanse the people.

This prophecy has a curious ending. It does not contain a call to repentance, except perhaps by implication. God says that His people are unclean, that the presence of something holy cannot make them clean, and that their hearts were not turned to Him—then He suddenly announces that from this day forward, He would bless. In this first prophecy, God does not specify exactly what the blessing will be, though there is a hint in verse 19: "Is the seed still in the barn? As yet the vine, the fig tree, the pomegranate, and the olive tree have not yielded fruit. But from this day I will bless you." This hint will become clearer after examining the next prophecy.

The second Kislev 24 prophecy, recorded in Haggai 2:20-23, spells out a readily identifiable blessing: righteous leadership. Verse 23 singles out Zerubbabel, and though there may be a number of lesser fulfillments of this, it is important to recognize that the ultimate fulfillment of Zerubbabel's role is Jesus Christ. Zerubbabel was the governor of Judah after the Babylonian captivity. A member of the Davidic line, he was also part of Jesus Christ's lineage on Joseph's side (Matthew 1:12-13). Zerubbabel typifies Christ, the perfect governor and ruler.

Zerubbabel is called God's servant, but so is Jesus Christ (Matthew 12:18; John 13:16; Acts 3:13, 26; 4:27, 30; Romans 15:8). Zerubbabel was chosen, but so was Jesus Christ (Matthew 12:18; Luke 23:35; I Peter 2:4). Zerubbabel received God's seal, but so did Jesus Christ (John 6:27). God chose Zerubbabel and his Descendant—his most important Descendent—to be His signature ring. God set His seal on Zerubbabel, but more importantly, He set His seal on Zerubbabel's descendant, the Messiah.

When we understand this, we can better understand the imagery of Haggai 2:19. Remember that Kislev 24 is in the winter, a time of short days and long nights. The harvesting has been done, and everyone hopes that enough has been stored to last until the vines, trees, and crops begin producing fruit again. Even in a good year, winter is not usually a time of blessing. Yet, God chose this bleakest of times to start His blessing—a blessing whose highest fulfillment would be found in the perfect leadership, work, and cleansing sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

This sets up an interesting possibility. We know that Jesus Christ was born sometime in the fall, likely around—if not on—the Feast of Trumpets. If we count back nine months, we arrive at a date in the winter. It is possible, then, that Kislev 24 is the date when the power of the Most High God overshadowed Mary and caused her to conceive the Messiah (Luke 1:35).

A play on words in verse 19 seems to support this. The question is asked, "Is the seed still in the barn?" The word translated as "seed" is elsewhere translated as "child" or "posterity."

Zerubbabel means "seed of Babylon" or "planted in Babylon." More importantly, when God told Abraham, "In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed" (Genesis 22:18; 28:14), the Seed that God was referring to was Jesus Christ—42 generations later!

Haggai 2:19 is describing a time when the seeds from the previous harvest are not in the barn because they have been planted, but it is before any fruit was produced. It could also, then, describe a Child who has been conceived, but not yet born—and through that Child the blessing of cleansing and leadership would come for Judah, Israel, the church, and eventually the entire world. If Jesus Christ were conceived on this date, it would be a remarkably apt application of what God means when He says, "From this day I will bless."

As significant as Kislev 24 is—and it is significant, if for no other reason than that it is mentioned, directly or indirectly, five times in one chapter—and as significant as it may be again in the future, we do not have to wait for winter for God's blessing. God is already blessing us. However, He is not just blessing us for our own sakes. He is blessing those whom He has called so that through the cleansing that we have, the High Priest that we have, the Holy Spirit that we have, and the pure and clean hearts that we are developing, our lives may be a testimony of what God is willing to do for His covenant people.

My reply

Thanks. I'm glad you brought out that "It was on Kislev 24 that the Temple was freed from grasp of Antiochus Epiphanes."

I'm also glad you mentioned that the word translated "seed" also means "child." Her "seed" in Gen. 3:15 is the same word, zera. The seed, or child, of the woman is Jesus, who was conceived on Kislev 24.

"SET YOUR HEART ON IT"

Haggai 2:15,18,19 (LITV) says,"And now SET YOUR HEART ON IT. From this day and onward: before the placing of a stone on a stone in the temple of Jehovah...Now SET YOUR HEART from this day and forward, from the twenty-fourth day of the ninth month (Kislev 24), FROM THE DAY THAT JEHOVAH'S TEMPLE WAS ESTABLISHED. SET YOUR HEART: Is the seed still in the barn? (an idiom for is she pregnant). YES (Jesus was conceived on Kislev 24), as yet the VINE, and the FIG TREE, and the POMEGRANATE, and the OLIVE TREE have not brought forth. FROM THIS DAY (Kislev 24) I WILL BLESS THEM."

THE VINE

The vine is Jesus. In John 15:1,2, he said, "I am the TRUE VINE, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit."

In John 15:5, Jesus said, "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing."

THE FIG TREE

Israel is the fig tree, Joel 1:6-10 says, "For a nation is come up upon MY LAND (Israel), strong, and without number, whose teeth are the teeth of a lion, and he hath the cheek teeth of a great lion. He hath laid my vine waste, and BARKED MY FIG TREE: he hath made it clean bare, and cast it away; the branches thereof are made white."

THE POMEGRANATE

The Bride of Christ is like an orchard of pomegranates, a fruit packed with seeds. Song 4:12,13 says of the Bride of Christ, "A garden inclosed is MY SISTER (Israelite bride saints), MY SPOUSE (Gentile bride saints); a spring shut up, a fountain sealed. Thy plants are an orchard of POMEGRANATES."

Below, the two armies are the Israelite Bride saints and the Gentile Bride saints.

Song 6:1-13 says, "Whither is thy beloved (i.e., Jesus) gone, O thou fairest among women? whither is thy beloved turned aside? that WE MAY SEEK HIM WITH THEE. My beloved (Jesus) is gone down into his garden, to the beds of spices, to feed in the gardens, and to gather lilies. I AM MY BELOVED'S, AND MY BELOVED IS MINE: he feedeth among the lilies. Thou art beautiful, O my love, as Tirzah, comely as Jerusalem, terrible as an ARMY with banners. Turn away thine eyes from me, for they have overcome me: thy hair is as A FLOCK OF GOATS that appear from Gilead. Thy teeth are as A FLOCK OF SHEEP which go up from the washing, whereof EVERY ONE BEARETH TWINS, and there is NOT ONE BARREN AMONG THEM. As a piece of a POMEGRANATE are thy temples within thy locks. There are THREESCORE QUEENS, AND FOURSCORE CONCUBINES, AND VIRGINS WITHOUT NUMBER. My dove, my undefiled is but ONE; she is the only one of her mother, she is the choice one of her that bare her. The daughters saw her, and blessed her; yea, the queens and the concubines, and they praised her. Who is she that looketh forth as the morning, fair as the moon, clear as the sun, and terrible as an ARMY with banners (flags)? I went down into the garden of nuts to see the fruits of the valley, and to see whether THE VINE flourished, and the POMEGRANATES budded. Or ever I was aware, my soul made me like the chariots of Amminadib.

"RETURN, RETURN, O SHULAMITE; RETURN, RETURN, that we may look upon thee." The first Rapture has just snapped up the wise virgins. The foolish ones panic.

"What will ye see in THE SHULAMITE? As it were THE COMPANY OF TWO ARMIES" (the wise and foolish virgins).

The wise virgins are caught up in the First-Trump Rapture, maybe on Kislev 24, 5770 (Dec. 11, 2009, according to the Jewish Calendar, which could be off by 2 days, or Dec. 13, according to the new crescent Moon of Tishri, Sept. 20).

The foolish virgins will be caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture on the Feast of Trumpets (Rev. 6:17; 7:9,14), maybe on Sept. 14, 2015.

THE OLIVE TREE
Zec 4:11-14 says, "What are these TWO OLIVE TREES upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these TWO OLIVE BRANCHES which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?... Then said he, These are the two anointed ones (Moses and Elijah), that stand by the Lord of the whole earth" (Jesus Christ).

Mt 17:1-3 says, "after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him."

Rev 11:3,4 says, "And I will give power unto my two witnesses (Moses and Elijah), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two OLIVE TREES, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth" (Jesus).

Rom 11:16-21, 24 says, "For if the firstfruit (Jesus) be holy, the lump (Body of Christ) is also holy: and if the ROOT (Jesus) be holy, so are the BRANCHES (Israelites). And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou (Gentile believer), being a WILD OLIVE TREE, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of THE ROOT AND FATNESS OF THE OLIVE TREE (JESUS); Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF THEY WERE BROKEN OFF, AND THOU STANDEST BY FAITH. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee...For if thou wert cut out of the OLIVE TREE which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a GOOD OLIVE TREE: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?"

Vatican looks to heavens for signs of alien life

By Ariel David (AP)
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hf92aHEwYT87J1XPP4JrIusKBT-AD9BSTO1G1

11-10-09 - VATICAN CITY — E.T. phone Rome. Four hundred years after it locked up Galileo for challenging the view that the Earth was the center of the universe, the Vatican has called in experts to study the possibility of extraterrestrial alien life and its implication for the Catholic Church.

"The questions of life's origins and of whether life exists elsewhere in the universe are very suitable and deserve serious consideration," said the Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, an astronomer and director of the Vatican Observatory.

My reply to a post on the Five Doves site

Re: Walter (12 Nov 2009)
"Note to Ron Reese Seals, Trumpets sequences"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/walter1112.htm

> > Inside this book called Revelation are a couple of other books. You, Ron, have caused me to believe that the title of these two books are “The Seventh Seal”, and “The Seventh Trumpet”. These books are there to tell you who Jesus is not! When you open these books you are looking at the prophesied biography of a person called AntiChrist. The various seals and trumpets allow you to know the person by what he will do in his life, and what is in his soul. The books are the same biography, except that one is from a heavenly perspective and the other is from an earthly perspective. Possibly all of the seals and trumpets are really written to tell us in advance what this Satan is and are not intended to portray any specific order but to say that these things are the result of what he is. Many may occur simultaneously. I don’t know Ron, just thinking.

Walter, I think the seven-sealed little book of Rev. 5 is the Title Deed of the Earth. I also think Revelation is organized using Circle Clocks.

Draw a large circle with 6 circles and a central 7th circle within the large circle. I will look something like the ends of Coke cans if you put a rubber band around a group of 7. Label the 6 circles Seal 1 through 6. Inside the 7th, the center circle, draw another circle clock. Label those Trumpet 1 through 6. Inside the 7th, draw another circle clock. Label those Vial 1 through 7.

The trumpets come out of the 7th seal. The Vials come out of the 7thTrumpet. Keep that in mind, and I will start at the beginning and give you some more information on the organization of the script.

When you are reading the script for the miracle play called "The Revelation of Jesus Christ", the first thing presented is the Preview of the Rapture. The setting of the whole play is when the Rapture is near. It is near in both the first and last chapters, Rev. 1:3 and 20:10.

Rev 1:9-18 says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos (meaning mortal), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (Sunday), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks (representing the 7 churches); And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man (Jesus), clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars (the star performers of the seven churches): and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword (to cut off the foolish virgins): and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

Then John, cast as both actor and narrator, is told how the play is organized. Verse 19 says, "Write the things which thou hast seen (before the Rapture), and the things which are (at the time of the Rapture), and the things which shall be hereafter" (after the Rapture).

Rev. 4:1 is the Rapture, and just about everything else in the play is "hereafter" the Rapture. Immediately, John is seen seated on his throne in heaven along with the 12 elders and other 11 apostles. After Jesus is given the 7-sealed book, the saints in Heaven sing the new song (Rev. 5:9). Only after that is the first seal broken in Rev. 6.

There are two Raptures. In the last verse, Rev 6:17, we read, "the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? In Rev. 7:14, we see that the Rapture of the Tribulation saints has just taken place. Only after that are the Trumpets of judgment given to the 7 angels in Rev. 8.

Rev 14:2-5 is the second Rapture group after they are in Heaven. It says, "I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."

After that, in Rev 15:1, the 7 plagues are described. It says, "I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God."

Throughout, most things are told in consecutive order, but there are some parenthetic passages. Look for some between the 6th and 7th seals and between the 6th and 7th trumpets.

Rev. 11, 13 and 17 each start over at the beginning of the Tribulation. What starts in Rev. 17 is finished in Rev. 18:21.

Hope this helps you to get oriented. Agape

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