Pro and Con 1523

Posted 11-21-09

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WHY I THINK THE RAPTURE WILL BE SUNDAY, DEC. 13, 2009, HANNUKAH

By Marilyn Agee

Knowing that the new crescent Moon of Tishri 1, 5770 was sighted on Sept. 20, I knew that Tishri 1 should have been on Sept. 21 instead of Sept. 19, 2009, as on the Jewish Calendar. Since God never changed the way to determine when a month should start, I went to Michael Rood's website to see when the new crescent Moon was sighted for Kislev 1: http://www.michaelroodministries.com/new_moon_report.htm

He said, "At sundown, November 18, 2009, a multitude of witnesses scattered over the land of Israel sighted the first sliver of the renewed moon, 3.29% illuminated, 9.71 degrees above the horizon at five minutes after sunset. Since this moon appeared at the end of a 29 day month, it was not a new moon by default but had to be sighted. Witnesses also appeared before the rabbinic court to testify of their personal sightings, and rabbinic, karaite, and messianic Jews and Israelites blew the shofar throughout the land in remembrance of the ancient tradition of declaring the new month according to the re-appearance of the moon on the western horizon."

Reporting it to the Sanhedrin made it official. Continuing, Michael Rood said, "This year, Hanukkah will commence at sundown on...December 13, 2009."

Initially, I took that to mean that Sunday, Dec 13, 2009, will be the true Kislev 24, and that Hanukkah, Kislev 25, would begin at 6 PM on Dec. 13.

I thought of the Kislev 24 in Haggai 2:15,18,19. From that day, the Lord will bless someone. Dec. 13 will be on Sunday, and Rev. 1:9,10 shows that the Rapture will be on the Lord's day, Sunday. That seemed to tie everything together in a nice package. I was especially happy for Dec. 13 is my birthday.

However, later, at the bottom of the page, I found a calendar for Kislev. Clicking to enlarge it, I found out that Michael Rood has Dec. 13 listed as Hanukkah, Kislev 25 instead of Kislev 24. That's ok, the Feast of Dedication (of the Temple) would also be a great time for the Rapture of the Temple of the Holy Spirit.

Actually, from my extensive studies about the Jewish Calendar, I think Nov. 19 for Kislev 1 is correct rather than Nov. 18. I should have paid attention to the brief flash I got when I thought Rood meant Nov. 18 was Kislev 1. In the back of my brain, I knew that after the new crescent Moon was sighted after sunset, the Sanhedrin declared the NEXT day the first day of the new month. Correctly oriented, I turned to the scriptures.

Haggai 2:15 says, "And now, I pray you, consider from this day (Kislev 24) and UPWARD (maal, upward or FORWARD), from BEFORE a stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of the LORD".

Jesus is the foundation of the Temple of the Holy Spirit, i.e., the wise virgins, believers who have enough oil of the Holy Spirit to be caught up to Heaven before the worst things of the Tribulation take place. I Cor. 3:11 says, "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ."

Eph 2:19-22 says, "Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit."

Jesus' conception on Kislev 24

Haggai 2:18,19 says, "Consider now from this day and UPWARD (maal, upward or FORWARD) from (min, from or AFTER) the four and twentieth day of the ninth month (Kislev 24), even from the day that the foundation (Jesus) of the LORD'S temple was laid (yasad, founded, i.e., conceived), consider it. Is the seed (seed of the woman, Jesus, Gen. 3:15) yet in the barn? (idiom for in the womb) yea (YES, Jesus was conceived on Kislev 24), as yet the vine (Jesus, John 15:5), and the fig tree (Israel. Joel 1:6,7), and the pomegranate (the Bride, Song 4:3), and the olive tree (Gentiles, Rom 11:24,25), hath NOT brought forth (nasa, LIFTED UP, i.e., at the Rapture): from (min, from or AFTER) this day will I bless you."

The next day is Kislev 25, the Feast of Dedication, Hanukkah, when the oil, only enough for one day, miraculously lasted eight days when they dedicated the cleansed Temple. Eight means new order, and we will enter a new order at the Rapture.

Gentiles are the wild olive tree. Rom 11:24,25 says, "For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? For I would not, brethren (believers), that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."

Everything fits. I'm getting excited. The olive harvest ends on Kislev 24. If the Rapture is to be on Kislev 25, Hannukah, the Feast of Dedication, SUNDAY, Dec. 13, 2009, it will fit Haggai 2:18,19 perfectly.

SUNDAY fits Rev. 1:9,10. In the Preview of the Rapture, it says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion IN TRIBULATION (Rev. 2:5), and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos (meaning mortal), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ (who 'is the spirit of prophecy', Rev. 19:10). I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (SUNDAY), and heard behind me A GREAT VOICE, AS OF A TRUMPET, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last". That's Jesus. In the KJV, he is the "LORD" of the Old Testament and the "Lord" of the New Testament.

Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, and his REDEEMER the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH King of Israel), and I am the last (YHWH of hosts); and beside me there is no God."

It looks like the Rapture will be on SUNDAY, Kislev 25, 5770, Dec. 13, 2009, my birthday.

The First-Trump Rapture will be on the Lord's Day, Sunday, and the Last-Trump Rapture will be on the Day of the Lord that is also the Day of God's Wrath. It will probably be on the Feast of Trumpets, Monday, Sept. 14, 2015, Tishri 1, 5776. That will be 2300 days from last Pentecost, May 29, 2009, the anniversary of Pentecost in 30 AD, and our daughter's birthday.

The year 5776 seems to be the right year for the end of the Tribulation. It is a leap year with Adar II, the 13th month. I think Daniel 12:11 locks that year in place. It says, "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away (Mid-Trib), and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days." That means that the end year will be a Jewish Leap Year. Another type of year can have 1260 days.

Eze. 39:12,13 tells us that there will be 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath (Eze. 38:18-20), when the worldwide earthquake will take place and every wall will fall, and the Second Advent, when Jesus returns in glory.

"Eze 39:12,13 says, "And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them (Gog's army), that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD." He will be glorified at the Second Advent. The time between Tishri 1 and the following Nisan 1 is normally 6 months, but it is 7 months in a leap year. Things in this endtime puzzle are beginning to interlock.

The 2300-day shortened Tribulation

Dan 8:13,14,17 says, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed....Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision."

The Six-Day War plus one generation (48.33 years, Mt. 1:17) is 2015 (1967 + 48 = 2015). Everything is interlocking like a jigsaw puzzle.

As in the days of Noah

The Ark finally floated free of the ground after 40 days of rain.

After finding out that Dec. 13 would be on Sunday this year, I kept looking up dates until I found another Sunday. FROM 2009 TO 2020, THE 40TH DAY AFTER CHESHVAN 17, BY INCLUSIVE RECKONING (because it is a block of time) FALLS ON ONLY TWO SUNDAYS, THE FIRST AND LAST, AND BOTH ARE ON DEC. 13. That raised my eyebrows.

THE LORD'S DAY, SUNDAY, DEC 13, 2009, REALLY COULD BE THE DAY OF THE RAPTURE. I feel sure we won't have to wait until 2020. I couldn't. I'll be 81 on Dec. 13, 2009.

Before going to Michael Rood's web site to find out when the crescent Moon was sighted, I looked up the following using the Jewish Calendar.

Sunday, Dec. 13 will be Kislev 26 on the Jewish Calendar instead of KIslev 25 going by sighting the Moon. I added the 40 days (39 by Jewish Inclusive reckoning) to Cheshvan 17, when Noah was closed into the Ark, to find out how long we would have had to wait to find another Kislev 26 on Sunday - till 2020.

1. Cheshvan 17, 5770 (Nov 4, 2009) + 39 days = Kislev 26, SUNDAY, DEC 13, 2009
2. Cheshvan 17, 5771 (Oct 25, 2010) + 39 days = Kislev 26, Friday, Dec 3, 2010
3. Cheshvan 17, 5772 (Nov 14, 2011) + 39 days = Kislev 27, Friday, Dec 23, 2011
4. Cheshvan 17, 5773 (Nov 2, 2012) + 39 days = Kislev 27, Tuesday, Dec 11, 2012
5. Cheshvan 17, 5774 (Oct 21, 2013) + 39 days = Kislev 26, Friday, Nov 29, 2013
6. Cheshvan 17, 5775 (Nov 10, 2014) + 39 days = Kislev 27, Friday, Dec 19, 2014
7. Cheshvan 17, 5776 (Oct 30, 2015) + 39 days = Kislev 26, Tuesday, Dec 8, 2015

Cheshvan 17, 5777 (Nov 18, 2016) + 39 days = Kislev 27, Tuesday, Dec 27, 2016
Cheshvan 17, 5778 (Nov 6, 2017) + 39 days = Kislev 27, Friday, Dec 15, 2017
Cheshvan 17, 5779 (Oct 21, 2018) + 39 days = Kislev 26. Tuesday, Dec 4, 2018
Cheshvan 17, 5780 (Nov 15,2019) + 39 days = Kislev 26, Tuesday, Dec 24, 2019
Cheshvan 17, 5781 (Nov 4, 2020) + 39 days = Kislev 27, SUNDAY, DEC 13, 2020

IF THE RAPTURE HAD TO BE ON KISLEV 24 AND SUNDAY, WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO WAIT UNTIL 2015.

Kislev 24, 5770 = Friday, Dec 11, 2009
Kislev 24, 5771 = Wednesday, Dec 1, 2010
Kislev 24, 5772 = Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011
Kislev 24, 5773 = Saturday, Dec 8, 2012
Kislev 24, 5774 = Wednesday, Nov 27, 2013
Kislev 24, 5775 = Tuesday, Dec 15, 2014
Kislev 24, 5776 = SUNDAY, Dec 6, 2015

Kislev 26, SUNDAY, Dec 13, 2009, already looked good before I found out when the Kislev Moon was sighted. Now, it even looks better.

AT THE FEAST OF THE DEDICATION (HANUKKAH, KISLEV 25 THROUGH TEVETH 2), JESUS SAID, "MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE," It sure looks like we will hear his voice on Hanukkah.

John 10:22,23, 27,28 says, "it was AT JERUSALEM THE FEAST OF THE DEDICATION, and it was winter. And JESUS WALKED IN THE TEMPLE in Solomon's porch.... MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE (i.e., saying, Come up hither?), and I know them, and THEY FOLLOW ME: AND I GIVE UNTO THEM ETERNAL LIFE; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." Not every Feast of Dedication is in the winter. Dec. 13 isn't.

Mt 24:20 says, "But pray ye that YOUR FLIGHT BE NOT IN THE WINTER, NEITHER ON THE SABBATH DAY" (Saturday). If the Rapture is Sunday, Dec. 13, it won't be in the winter or on Saturday.

New mysteries of the Shroud unveiled

Body inside ancient linen 'levitated' while leaving image
Nov 15, 09
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=116126

A new video documentary about the Shroud of Turin makes a startling new claim about what some believe to be the burial cloth of Jesus – the body was weightless or levitating when it left the remarkable image.

Incoming email: The most important thing you will read today

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Incoming e-mail, Re: quick question

I read your post on Five Doves.

my question:

What will happen to the saints (first half of the trib) that will define that 3½ period as the 'tribulation period'? What will happen to them that has not happened to the believers over the last 2,000 years? thanks

My reply

> > What will happen to the saints (first half of the trib) that will define that 3½ period as the 'tribulation period'?

I don't expect to be here during the whole first half of the Tribulation. We will have to be in Heaven before the seven-sealed Title Deed of the Earth is given to Christ. I now think we will probably get out of here on SUNDAY, Kislev 26 according to the Jewish Calendar, Dec. 13, 2009. Expanded charts will be on Pro and Con 1523.

Haggai 2:15, 18,19 says, "I pray you, consider from this day and UPWARD, from BEFORE A STONE WAS LAID UPON A STONE IN THE TEMPLE OF THE LORD: (that could apply now) ...Consider now from this day and UPWARD, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month (Kislev 24, Eve of Hanukkah), even from the day that the foundation (Jesus, for 'other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ'; 1Cor 3:11) of the LORD'S temple ('the temple of his body'; John 2:21) was laid (i.e., Kislev 24 was the date of Jesus' conception), consider it. Is the seed (Jesus) yet in the barn (i.e., in the womb)? yea (Jesus, foundation of the temple of the Holy Spirit, was conceived on Kislev 24), as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the OLIVE TREE, hath NOT brought forth: from (min, from or AFTER) this day will I bless you."

Rom 11:17 says, "if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild OLIVE TREE, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree". The olive harvest has now started in Israel. It will end at Hanukkah, Kislev 25.

According the Michael Rood, the new Crescent Moon was sighted soon after sundown on Nov. 18, making Dec. 14 Kislev 25, Hanukkah. The Eve of Hanukkah, Dec. 13, seems a perfect time for the Rapture.

Rev. 1:10 shows us that the first Rapture will be on the Lord's Day, SUNDAY. The second Rapture will be on the Day of the Lord that is the Day of God's Wrath, probably Monday, Sept. 14, 2015, The Feast of Trumpets.

Rev. 1:10,11 says, "I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (SUNDAY), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last".

Dec. 13, 2009 will be on SUNDAY.

What has happened that suggested the Tribulation?

Current events are pushing us toward the use of a new world monetary system. The 10 regions of the world are being set up. The EU was first. Asia is in the process, and may be set up next, and the year 2015 crops up again.

"Asian leaders meeting in Thailand are discussing plans to "lead the world" by forming an EU-style community by 2015.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8323742.stm

"The community would involve the 10-members of Asean with regional partners China, Japan, South Korea, India, Australia and New Zealand, Japanese officials have said."

Rev 17:12 says, "the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings ONE HOUR with the beast."

In Rev. 17:14, the Rapture has already taken place. It says, "he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that ARE WITH HIM are called, and chosen, and faithful."

Dec 16. 2009 is the date chosen to sign the Copenhagen Climate accords, to be enforced in 2015, which creates a One World Authority with dominion over every national government that signs it.

A friend wrote, "the portion of the COP 15 treaty I speak of is an 'eyes only' codicil to the treaty. According to Lord Monchton, who as a senior member of Parliament has seen the treaty, it contains four major tenets.

"The first four paragraphs cover the articles that establish a One World Governing Body. A One World President will be elected...a mechanism for some type of deliberative body will be adopted. Most importantly 'the Mother's Milk' of all politics, unlimited funding is established by these insane 'cap n' trade' laws every Western government is successfully ramming through their legislatures."

Signs of the coming

Tribulation appeared Sept. 29, 2008. After the House rejected the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act, 228 to 205, on Sept. 29, 2008, Eve of Trumpets, destruction of the world economy started with the Dow Jones industrial average dropping to 777.68, biggest single-day drop ever, worse than after 9/11, it wiped out $1.2 trillion of market value. Gold passed the $888 mark and ended at $894.40 oz.

Banks were folding. By Oct 23, 2009, 106 banks had failed just this year. PFF became U S Bank. Washington Mutual became Chase, World Savings became Wachovia, which was then purchased by Wells Fargo, etc.

One reaction post I saw on the Internet was no surprise - "Get me out of here!" I feel the same way.

Things are closing in on us. I'm hoping for Dec. 13, my birthday. Agape

My reply to a post on the Five Doves site

Re: Kevin Heckle (11 Nov 2009)
"Rapture Timing: Clue from the Ethiopian"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/kevinh1111.htm

> > While we will all have our suspicions of exactly WHO antichrist is, the CERTAINTY of it can ONLY OCCUR at the MIDPOINT of the 70th week of Daniel, NOT at the BEGINNING. The antichrist will be the ONLY one who’s ‘deadly wound is healed’.

I think the Imperial Holy Roman Empire's deadly wound was healed when Rome's power was transferred to the Roman Ecclesiastical Empire.

Revelation 13:3 says, "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast."

The heads are 7 kingdoms, Babel, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece, Imperial Holy Roman Empire, Ecclesiastical Roman Empire, and Babylon III.

> > baptism is a picture of the death, burial and RESSURECTION. The moment that Philip is ‘caught away’ (harpazo) occurs as the African is ‘resurrected’ from death (pictured) in baptism.

> > Could this picture of Philip being ‘caught away’ at the moment the African rises be a clue to our rapture? Will we be ‘caught away’ at the moment antichrist is resurrected from the dead in similitude?

I doubt it. I'm looking for the Rapture to be on SUNDAY, Dec. 13, 2009. See Rev. 1:10,11. The Lord's Day is Sunday. The second Rapture will be on the Day of the Lord that is the Day of God's Wrath.

> > I don’t claim to know for sure that the Rapture of the Church will occur at the Midpoint of the Tribulation, but it seems more likely that we would be here until the last possible moment to be a witness for the lost.

We have to be out of here before Christ receives the 7-sealed Title Deed of the Earth. See Rev. 4 and 5. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: The Bibical festivals page4, The Bibical festivals, The Bibical festivals page2, The Bibical festivals page3

This is my first e-mail to you after reading Pro Con since 1997, of which many have been edited along with Five Doves site that my brother, Graham, who so loyally printed, and ring bound for me before I bought my first computer in 2001. Since then I have followed your leading to Pro Con 1520 into document folders.

The attached Microsoft Word files clearly defines how important it is to focus on these Hebrew feast days, as they guide us to what Jesus wanted us to observe about His sudden catching up for His Bride!

Whilst there have been a number of unanswered questions regarding pre trib rapture issues, there is in no doubt in my mind you are on the right track.

Since 1961, the passion of seeking the hidden secrets of biblical prophecies has consistently surprised me of how the Word of God has finally crystallised from 2005 and onwards. Most of my own studies indicated that year 2005 was a terminal year in chorological prophecy. Luke 13 vs 6-9 gave me a clue that this extra 4 years concerning Israel, leaves me to concur with you that 2009 is critical to those who are " watching & praying" for the sudden appearance of our Lord. I exhort all those readers of your site to read these attachments.

attachments:
The Biblical festivals Page1
The Biblical festivals page2
The Biblical festivals page3
The Biblical festivals page4

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

> > Most of my own studies indicated that year 2005 was a terminal year in chorological prophecy. Luke 13 vs 6-9 gave me a clue that this extra 4 years concerning Israel, leaves me to concur with you that 2009 is critical to those who are " watching & praying" for the sudden appearance of our Lord.

How did you come to 2005 as a terminal year?

I have noticed that there seemed to be modern-day parallels to blocks of time mentioned in the Bible.

400 years is mentioned in Acts 7:7. After 400 years in bondage, Israel was to come forth. The Turks took Jerusalem in 1517 (5278). That was also the year that Martin Luther tacked his 95 theses to the church door, starting the Protestant Reformation.

5278 + 400 = 5678 (1917/1918)

Gen. Allenby took possession of Jerusalem in 1917. The modern Exodus to the land of Israel began.

Ex. 12:41 mentions 430 years. That was from the call of Abraham to the Exodus.

5278 + 430 = 5708 (1947/1948)

Israel declared their Independence in 1948.

Acts 13:20,21 mentions that Saul became king after 450 years.

5278 + 450 = 5728 (1967/1968)

Israel grew leaves in the Six-Day War of 1967.

Dan 9:24 indicates 490 years.

5278 + 490 = 5768 (2007/2008)

You reminded me of the parable in Luke 13:6-9. It says, "He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? And he answering said unto him, Lord, LET IT ALONE THIS YEAR ALSO, TILL I SHALL DIG ABOUT IT, AND DUNG IT: AND IF IT BEAR FRUIT, WELL: AND IF NOT, THEN AFTER THAT THOU SHALT CUT IT DOWN."

5768 + 1 = 5769 (2008/2009) no Rapture, but maybe "AFTER THAT thou shalt cut it (the unfruitful fig tree) down"

5769 + 1 = 5770 (2009/2010) we are in this year now Surely the Rapture is close. Will the Lord come in 5770? I think it will be Sunday, Dec. 13, 2009.
Luke 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant (the foolish one) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) with the unbelievers."

Mt. 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder (lit., cut him off), and appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Noah entered the Ark on Cheshvan 17 (Nov. 4, in 2009). By the 40th day of rain, the Ark floated free of the ground. Cheshvan 17 + 40, counted by Jewish Inclusive Reckoning, because it is a block of time, again brings us to Sunday, Dec. 13, 2009. I hope the Rapture will take place at that time.

Rev. 1:10,11 shows that the Rapture will be on SUNDAY, the Lord's Day. The 2nd Rapture will be on the Day of the Lord that is the Day of God's Wrath.

> > The 1,000-year period of peace and prosperity for the entire global human family serves as a stepping stone to a vast increase in the late harvest of human lives. Revelation 20:5 says that "the rest of the dead" will live again when the 1,000 years are finished. This includes all people who lived but were not converted to God's way from Adam to Christ's sec­ond coming—which could number in the scores of billions. They will be raised to physical life and at last given the opportunity for salvation during a period of judgment (compare Ezekiel 37:1-14; Matthew 11:20-24; 12:41-42; 1 Peter 2:12; Revelation 20:11-12). This is sometimes called the Great White Throne ludgment, as Revelation 20:11-12 describes the risen dead standing before such a throne

The part I wonder about says, "They will be raised to physical life and at last given the opportunity for salvation during a period of judgment". I had thought that at the Great White Throne judgment, those not in the Book of Life would be judged according to their works, and since works cannot save, they would be lost. Let's see what the verses you listed say.

Eze 37:1-14 says, "The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones...And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest. Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD. Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army. Then he said unto me, Son of man, THESE BONES ARE THE WHOLE HOUSE OF ISRAEL: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I SHALL PLACE YOU IN YOUR OWN LAND: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD."

All Israel will be saved. They will live on Earth during the Millennium. Rom 11:25,26 says, "blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob".

Mt 11:20-24 says, "Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not: Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say unto you, IT SHALL BE MORE TOLERABLE FOR TYRE AND SIDON AT THE DAY OF JUDGMENT, THAN FOR YOU, AND THOU CAPERNAUM, WHICH ART EXALTED UNTO HEAVEN, SHALT BE BROUGHT DOWN TO HELL: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say unto you, That IT SHALL BE MORE TOLERABLE FOR THE LAND OF SODOM IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT, THAN FOR THEE."

That sounds like there could be different degrees of punishment.

Mt 12:41,42 says, "The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here. The queen of the south shall rise in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here."

1 Peter 2:12 says, "Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation."

Rev 20:11-12 says, "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is THE BOOK OF LIFE: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS."

Does anyone get a second chance after one life is over?

To find out, let's read three more verses in Rev. 20. Verses 13-15 say, "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and THEY WERE JUDGED EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS. And DEATH AND HELL WERE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. This is the second death. And WHOSOEVER WAS NOT FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE."

Where is there room for a second chance? That's clear. To be saved, our names have to be written in the Book of Life. Agape http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1228844/These-stones-really-ARE-rolling-Mystery-Death-Valleys-eerie-moving-rocks.html

Incoming e-mail, Re: Your email to me

Thank you for your long, detailed email on what you believe. I am certainly not the scholar that you are on Bible Prophecy. I do not think that a long debate with you would accomplish anything. The biggest disagreement I have with you is the Battle of Ezekiel 38 and 39 being at the End of the Final 7 Years. You are certainly in the minority with that viewpoint. I am about to write the most important email that I have ever written. It should appear on 5 Doves on Sat. and to my mailing list of over 2000 people. You are right, that our time frames for the end are very similar. I could never change your mind and I doubt that you could change mine, so I am not sure that I want to get into a debate with you. I always read your postings, because I have a lot of respect for you, but I do not consider it that important to reconcile our minor differences. I am going to be bombarded with emails the next few days, after I send the one that I am writing today. This is the first in a series of emails that I will be writing in the next few weeks on what the Lord is showing me regarding the timing of the Rapture STRAIGHT FROM THE SCRIPTURE. Therefore, I am sorry, but I am saving your email and putting it on the backburner for now, because of time constraints. I hope to get to it as soon as I can, but it will probably not be what you are looking for. I doubt that anybody agrees with ALL of your views, and I doubt that anybody agrees with ALL of my views. That is just the way it is as Bible Prophecy students. We want everybody to agree with our point of view. But the subject matter is so very complex and it makes it almost impossible. Maranatha!

My reply

Probably better than most, I understand how busy you are. You want to get the news out that you think the Rapture will be in the fall of 2010. I'm in the same boat. Except, I want to get the news out that I think the Rapture will be Dec. 13, 2009, Kislev 25, The Feast of Dedication, Hanukkah, on the Lord's calendar, according to the sighting of the Moon. Michael Rood said that the new crescent Moon was sighted Nov. 18, so Nov 19 was Kislev 1 and Dec. 13 will be Kislev 25. John 10:22,23,27,28 says, "And it was at Jerusalem the FEAST OF THE DEDICATION, and IT WAS WINTER. And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch...MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE, and I know them, and THEY FOLLOW ME: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." In Mt 24:20, Jesus said, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day." Sunday, Dec 13, is not in winter, or on the Sabbath. According to Jesus, the Rapture will be as in the days of Noah. I think the Rapture will be about 40 days after Noah entered the Ark on Cheshvan 17. The Ark had floated free of the ground by the 40th day. We are all descended from Noah. It is like we were there in the Ark with him. What happened to him will happen to us. > > The biggest disagreement I have with you is the Battle of Ezekiel 38 and 39 being at the End of the Final 7 Years. You are certainly in the minority with that viewpoint. There is no other time that will work. Please take time to read Eze. 38:18-20. I'm quoting it below so you won't have to look it up. It is God's wrath. There is no doubt about it. There is a worldwide earthquake in which EVERY WALL FALLS, WORLDWIDE. That means that every building falls. I think of the towers of Dubai when I read Isa 30:25. It says, "And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, WHEN THE TOWERS FALL." According to Rev. 16:17-19, the cities of the world are in shambles. Eze. 38:18-20 says, "And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel (because the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 hits the Mediterranean Sea); So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (paniym, face, i.e., they see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky), and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and EVERY WALL SHALL FALL TO THE GROUND." Rev 16:17-19 says, "the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great EARTHQUAKE, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an EARTHQUAKE, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS FELL: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of HIS WRATH." Maranatha. Agape

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