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Incoming e-mail from Ron, Re: Date of Rapture

We are in for some extremely exciting days immediately ahead. I will be watching with you for the next two weeks, thru Hannukkah, for the Rapture. If it does not happen then, I am sure we will be watching very intently during the Spring Feast Days of 2010.

However, I still believe very, very strongly that the Rapture will occur between Sept. and Dec. of 2010. I believe that Genesis 45 says quite emphatically, in both verses 6 and 11, that there will still be FIVE YEARS LEFT IN THE FAMINE WEEK, BEFORE THE REVEALING OF JOSEPH (JESUS), AND THE EXCEEDINGLY GREAT AND MIGHTY DELIVERANCE (THE RAPTURE).

I believe the evidence points towards the 1260-day Great Tribulation ending on Feast of Atonement, Sept. 23, 2015, and the 1290 days ending on Oct. 23, 2015, and the 1335 days of Daniel ending on Hannukkah eve, Dec. 6--7, 2015. I believe the Millennial Reign of Christ will start on this last date, which is the 24th of Kislev, the date of the destruction of the first two temples. How perfectly prophetic that Christ should begin his 1000-year reign IN THE NEW TEMPLE in Jerusalem on this very historic and prophetic date of Kislev 24.

The two years in the Famine Week cannot be over until either Sept. or Oct. of 2010 (as you believe the Final Seven Years started on Sept. 30, 2008, and I believe it started on Oct. 29, 2008). If the Lord considers the end of the Famine Week to be over on one of the Feast Days in 2015, then we can look for the Rapture in Sept. or Oct. of 2010. If the Lord considers the end of the Famine Week to be the end of the 1335 days, we can look for the Sudden Destruction/Rapture to be as late as December of 2010, whlich will include Hannukkah of 2010. In my opinion, around Hannukkah of 2010 is a likely time for the Rapture.

Maybe this is why we CAN KNOW WHEN IT IS EXTREMELY NEAR, EVEN AT THE DOOR, but maybe not the day of the Rapture. I am certainly not trying to detract from your projection of Hannukkah, 2009, to be the probable time of the Rapture. Like I said, I am watching with you. There has been so much discouragement recently, especially the past two years, concerning the time of the Rapture. I am just trying to give all of the Doves, and those on mailing list, hope that our Rapture still lies straight ahead if 2009 should come and go, and not that many more months into the future. It may not be encouraging to some of you that we probably have to wait ONE MORE YEAR.

But this next year, if the Lord does not come first, will go very fast, and I am quite sure that most of you, as we get closer and closer to the last part of 2010, will become convinced that OUR LORD'S RETURNING TO TAKE US HOME IS INDEED VERY NEAR, EVEN AT THE DOORS. I believe that the birth pangs are going to greatly increase during these next few months. Let's look at whatever time we have left as a challenge and opportunity to work for our Lord, as the night soon approaches when no man can work. All opportunities to win our lost friends and family will SOON be gone. All opportunities to witness to our backslidden, unwatchful, worldly, compromising, and lukewarm Christian family and friends will SOON be gone.

All opportunities to obtain rewards and positions in the Millennial Kingdom will SOON be gone. Very probably, the Lord is telling all of us that He is giving us a one-year warning and challenging us to sense the URGENCY of the hour, and to put our efforts into overdrive. The Final 7 Years started one year ago. Our time left on this earth is now VERY short. Our time of escape is not Pre-Trib, nor Mid-Trib, nor Pre-Wrath, nor Post-Trib. The Lord is in the soul-saving business. He would not take his soul-winning agents away until He had to. That time of the Rapture is the time of the Sudden Destruction. Did not the GREAT DELIVERANCE for Lot, come the SAME DAY AS THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION? I believe with all of my heart that the Word teaches us the time of our EXCEEDINGLY GREAT AND MIGHTY DELIVERANCE, will be 2 years after the Final 7 Years have started. In my opinion, that takes us to sometime in the last 4 months of 2010.

I believe emphatically that the Lord is giving us one last opportunity and is issuing this challenge to us, WHAT WILL YOU DO WITH THE SHORT TIME THAT IS LEFT??? Maranatha! Ron

My reply

> > I believe the Millennial Reign of Christ will start on this last date, which is the 24th of Kislev, the date of the destruction of the first two temples.

Both temples were burned on Av 9/10. The Temple was desecrated by sacrificing a pig on the altar on Kislev 25, so it was cleansed and reconsecrated on Kislev 25, the Feast of Dedication, the Feast of Lights, Hanukkah.

In his vision, David Daughtrey saw lights going up in groups from each surrounding city. We are to keep our lights burning. The Feast of Lights would be a good time for the Rapture of the wise virgins. They have extra oil in their vessels (bodies). The upcoming Feast of Lights will be the ONLY Feast of Lights in the second year, 5770, too. I hope it will be the time of our Rapture. In John 4:35, Jesus said, "Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest." The four months would be Teveth, Shevat, Adar and Nisan.

Jesus attended this feast during his earthly ministry and said that his sheep heard his voice and followed him (John 10:3).

John 10:22-28 says, "And it was at Jerusalem the FEAST OF THE DEDICATION, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE, and I know them, and THEY FOLLOW ME: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."

I think he will be given his kingdom when he is still in Heaven on Tishri 1, 5776, Sept. 14, 2015. Like Solomon, he will purge his kingdom right away.

That first day will be the day like no other - ever. The general assembly of Heb. 12:23 will convene in Heaven. All the saints in Heaven will be gathered from one end of Heaven to the other (Mt. 24:31). All the saints on Earth will be gathered from one end of Earth to the other (Mark 13:27; John 10:16). Christ will be crowned. The Marriage of the Lamb will take place. The Judgment Seat of Christ will convene. Rewards will be given all the saints, and the unbelievers left on Earth will receive their just rewards for their unbelief, the wrath of God.

Gog's army will attack Israel that day. The Israelites will blow the alarm on the trumpet, and the Lord will fight for Israel that day.

Seven months later, after Israel has buried the dead to cleanse the land, I think Jesus will return in glory (Eze. 39:12,13) on Nisan 1, 5766, the first day of the regnal year and the Jubilee year. It follows the Sabbatic Year 5775 (5775 divides by 7 equally).

To me, any adjustment in these years has to be a big one. The next Sabbatic Year after 5775 will be 5782. A Jubilee year always follows a Sabbatic 49th year.

> > That time of the Rapture is the time of the Sudden Destruction. Did not the GREAT DELIVERANCE for Lot, come the SAME DAY AS THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION?

The First-Trump Rapture is like the days of Noah. The Ark had finally floated free of the ground at the end of 40 days, not on Cheshvan 17, when it began to rain, but during Hanukkah.

This year, Kislev 25 is Dec. 12, according to the Jewish Calendar, or Dec. 13, if going by the Moon (see Michael Rood's Calendar).

The Last-Trump Rapture is like the days of Lot. Sodom was wiped out by the asteroid impact the same day Lot was led out. That was SUDDEN DESTRUCTION. It punched down the bedrock at the Dead Sea, making it the lowest body of water on Earth. It split the Earth from Syria to Lake Nyassa in Africa forming the Great Rift Valley.

When Gog's army attacks Israel, it will be on the Day of God's Wrath. Every wall will fall in the worldwide earthquake. It will be the day the towers fall.

The mountain-sized asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will impact the Mediterranean Sea, causing huge tsunamis. The star called Wormwood (Satan's dwelling place) will also impact Earth and destroy Babylon.

Isa 30:25 says, "And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall."

Of that Day of God's Wrath, Eze. 38:18-20 says, "it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (paniym, face; i.e., they see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky), and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and EVERY WALL SHALL FALL TO THE GROUND."

Zeph 2:1-5 says, "Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired (Israel); Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER. For GAZA SHALL BE FORSAKEN, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. WOE UNTO THE INHABITANTS OF THE SEA COAST".

These things do not happen at the time of the First-Trump Rapture. They happen at the time of the Last-Trump Rapture, which is on the Day of God's Wrath.

The Day of God's Wrath is Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets. Joel 1:14,15 says, "Sanctify ye a fast (the upcoming Day of Atonement, when the Jubilee Year will be announced), call a solemn assembly, gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the LORD your God, and cry unto the LORD, Alas for the day! for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come."

Gog's army attacks on the Feast of Trumpets. Joel 2:1-3 says, "Blow ye the TRUMPET in Zion, and SOUND AN ALARM in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: A GREAT PEOPLE AND A STRONG (i.e., Gog's army); THERE HATH NOT BEEN EVER THE LIKE, NEITHER SHALL BE ANY MORE AFTER IT, even to the years of many generations. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them."

It is one day like no other. It is totally unique. Jer 30:7 says, "Alas! for that day is great, so that NONE IS LIKE IT: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it."

Of that day, Dan 12:1 says, "And at that time (when the False Prophet will be deposed; Dan. 11:45) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and THERE SHALL BE A TIME OF TROUBLE (Gog's army will attack), SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION even to that same time (i.e., it didn't happen at the first Rapture): and at that time (Tishri 1) thy people (the 144,000) shall be delivered (RAPTURED), every one that shall be found written in the book."

Rev. 16:12-17 says of that day, "I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and EVERY MOUNTAIN AND ISLAND WERE MOVED OUT OF THEIR PLACES. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from THE FACE of him that sitteth on the throne (i.e., in the Sign of the Son of Man seen in the sky), and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"

> > I believe with all of my heart that the Word teaches us the time of our EXCEEDINGLY GREAT AND MIGHTY DELIVERANCE, will be 2 years after the Final 7 Years have started. In my opinion, that takes us to sometime in the last 4 months of 2010.

The Jewish year will change at the Feast of Trumpets. 5770, the 2nd year of the 7, will become 5771, the 3rd year of the 7.

On the Eve of the Feast of Trumpets in 5769, the stock market crashed, the Dow closed down 777.7. The financial world was rocked to the core. Twenty five banks closed in 2008. Many more have closed since. The financial woes of the world started on that Feast of Trumpets in 2008.

I am sure glad you figured out that the Rapture could fall in the second year of the Tribulation. I hadn't thought of it, and hadn't run into anyone else that figured it out.

Gen 45:6 says, "For these two years (probably 5769 and 5770) hath the famine been in the land: and yet there are five years (5771, 5772, 5773, 5774, 5775), in the which there shall neither be earing nor harvest." The harvest, the Last-Trump Rapture, seems to come the next day, Tishri 1, 5776.

The years seem to run very naturally from Tishri 1 to the next Tishri 1.

Since there won't be harvest during 5771, 2, 3, 4, 5, it looks like the First-Trump Rapture will take place in 5770. The last day will be Elul 29, 5770, the Eve of Trumpets. If the Rapture is to be on Hanukkah, it seems that it would be in 5770, this year. We will know soon. Agape

His reply, Re: Date of Rapture

Thank you for correcting me on the destruction of the two Temples. After I sent the email, I remembered that the two destructions of the Temple, were on the 9th of Av. If the Rapture must take place FIVE years before the Millennium starts, this could take us up to Dec. of 2010, on my timeline, and into the Spring of 2011, on your timeline. Keep this in mind, if the Rapture does not happen yet this year.

I believe we are currently waiting for the 2nd Seal and 1st and 2nd Trumpet judgments to transpire. This, in my opinion will be World War 3, Ezekiel 38 and 39, the limited nuclear war, that destroys so much of the world. These judgments will bring on the rest of the Seal and Trumpet judgments in rapid succession. These judgments are all a natural result of a limited nuclear war. This will also bring on the rule of the Antichrist, and the One-World government, and the Mark of the Beast System. The opening of the 2nd Seal and 1st and 2nd Trumpet judgments, in my opinion, will be the time of the SUDDEN DESTRUCTION/RAPTURE.

If the Rapture, or the Great and Mighty Deliverance of Gen. 45, happens in Dec. of this year, it would still leave SIX years left before the Millennium, on my timetable, and 6 and one-half years left on your timetable.

Gen. 45:6 and 45:11 both state that there are still FIVE years left in the Famine Week, not SIX. If the Rapture does not happen by the end of Spring, 2010, I hope and pray that you will be able to support my viewpoint on the timing of the Rapture.

THESE ARE EXTREMELY EXCITING DAYS IN WHICH TO BE ALIVE AND TO BE A WATCHMAN, Marilyn. Keep looking up. Jesus is coming very soon! Maranatha! Ron

My reply

> > After I sent the email, I remembered that the two destructions of the Temple, were on the 9th of Av.

I know the feeling, but email can't be called back. All we can do is send a correction.

> > If the Rapture must take place FIVE years before the Millennium starts, this could take us up to Dec. of 2010, on my timeline, and into the Spring of 2011, on your timeline.

On my timeline, it would be Sept, 2010. I think the 1st Rapture will be between now and Tishri 1, 5771 (Thu, 9 Sept 2010).

Here is my timeline for the 70th week of Daniel 9:27, according to the Jewish Calendar:

Eve of the Feast of Trumpets, world's financial TRIBULATION BEGAN
Elul 29, 5768 (Mon, Sept 29, 2008) STOCK MARKET CRASHED
3 PM: Dow down 777.68, possibly meaning COMPLETION,
COMPLETION, COMPLETION, YEAR '68, a new era was beginning

6 PM: Tishri 1, 5769, 70th WEEK OF DANIEL began

Year 1, first beast of Rev. 13 ruling
Tishri 1, 5769 (Tue, Sept 30, 2008)
to Tishri 1, 5770 (Sat, Sept 19, 2009)

Year 2, first beast ruling
probably year of the First-Trump Rapture
Tishri 1, 5770 (Sat, Sept 19, 2009)
to Tishri 1, 5771 (Thu, 9 Sept 2010)

Year 3, first beast ruling
Tishri 1, 5771 (Thu, 9 Sept 2010)
to Tishri 1, 5772 (Thu, 29 Sept 2011)

At 3 l/2 years, False Prophet begins his rule

Year 4, False Prophet ruling
Tishri 1, 5772 (Thu, 29 Sept 2011)
to Tishri 1, 5773 (Mon, 17 Sept 2012)

Year 5, False Prophet ruling
Tishri 1, 5773 (Mon, 17 Sept 2012)
to Tishri 1, 5774 (Thu, 5 Sept 2013)

Year 6, False Prophet ruling
Tishri 1, 5774 (Thu, 5 Sept 2013)
to Tishri 1, 5775 (Sabbatic Year) (Thu, 25 Sept 2014)

Year 7, False Prophet ruling
Tishri 1, 5775 (Sabbatic Year) = Thu, 25 Sept 2014)
to Tishri 1, 5776 = Mon, 14 Sept 2015) day of the 2nd Rapture, Day of the Lord, Day of God's Wrath, False Prophet deposed, Gog's army stopped when the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 hits the Mediterranean Sea

Tishri 10, 5776, Day of Atonement, coming Jubilee Year announced

Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2016)
7 months after Tishri 1, 5776
Second Advent, Jubilee Year begins

> > I believe we are currently waiting for the 2nd Seal and 1st and 2nd Trumpet judgments to transpire.

The First-Trump Rapture takes place before the 7-sealed Title Deed of the Earth is given to Christ. Therefore, he cannot open the first seal until we are in Heaven. The Rapture is in Rev. 4:1. The saints out of all nations are seen in Heaven in Rev. 5:9. The first seal is opened in Rev. 6.

> > The opening of the 2nd Seal and 1st and 2nd Trumpet judgments, in my opinion, will be the time of the SUDDEN DESTRUCTION/RAPTURE.

The Last-Trump Rapture, the 2nd Rapture, 6th seal (Rev. 6:12), will take place after the Day of God's Wrath has begun (Rev. 6:17; 7:14), just before God's Wrath, the asteroid impact, is thrown down to Earth (Rev. 8). That's your "SUDDEN DESTRUCTION/RAPTURE".

The First-Trump Rapture of the wise Philadelphian virgins is in I Thess 4:1. It probably takes place in the 2nd year of the 70th Week of Daniel.

The Last-Trump Rapture of the foolish Laodicean virgins is in I Cor. 15:51,52. It takes place on the Day of God's Wrath, the Feast of Trumpets when all 7 trumpet judgments hit Earth, probably Sept. 14, 2015.

Seals and trumpets don't mix. The 7 trumpets come out of the 7th seal. Also, we have to be in Heaven before the first seal can be broken.

Rev 8:1.2 says, "And when he had opened the SEVENTH SEAL, there was silence in heaven (and Earth (Hab 2:20), about the space of half an hour (i.e., while the judge is being seated at the Judgment Seat of Christ). And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given SEVEN TRUMPETS."

Hab 2:20 says, "the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him."

I think Jesus organized the script for his miracle play, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ," using circle clocks. Think of the pattern formed by the bottoms of 7 cans of Coke held together in a bundle. Draw that on paper, 6 circles around the central 7th circle.

Label those 6 circles Seals. Inside the 7th central circle, draw another circle clock. This clock represents the trumpet judgments. They come out of the 7th seal, and hit all on one day, the Day of God's Wrath. Inside the 7th trumpet circle, draw another circle clock. Label those vials of God's Wrath.

To sum it up, the Title Deed of the Earth has 7 seals. After the 1st Rapture, the 1st seal is broken. Out of the 7th seal come 7 trumpet judgments. Out of the 7th trumpet judgment, come the 7 vials of God's wrath. The 2nd Rapture takes place before the 7 trumpet judgments hit, but barely. The Day of God's Wrath has already begun. All 7 trumpet judgments will hit that very day. Those raptured that day will barely get out of there ahead of the asteroid impacts by the skin of their teeth. No wonder the Lord will wipe the tears out of their eyes.

> > Keep looking up. Jesus is coming very soon!

Amen. I'm eagerly looking forward to it. Keep on studying and teaching God's word. Mt 24:45,46 says, "Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat IN DUE SEASON? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing." Maranatha. Agape

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