Pro and Con 1537

Posted 1-20-2010

Mexico's Cave of Crystals

Giant Crystal Cave's Mystery Solved
Stefan Lovgren
for National Geographic News, April 6, 2007

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/04/070406-giant-crystals.html

To learn how the crystals grew to such gigantic sizes, García-Ruiz studied tiny pockets of fluid trapped inside.

The crystals, he said, thrived because they were submerged in mineral-rich water with a very narrow, stable temperature range—around 136 degrees Fahrenheit (58 degrees Celsius).

At this temperature the mineral anhydrite, which was abundant in the water, dissolved into gypsum, a soft mineral that can take the form of the crystals in the Naica cave.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Your most recent posts

Dear Sister, I am looking at your most recent post, and have some questions: 1). I understand you to say the 70th week of Dan. started in 2008, and another period of 2300 days began in 2009, then the shortened Great Trib. begins in 2012. Is this correct?. 2). Second, I know the "dispensationalist" hold that the entire 70th week of Daniel (a 7-yr. period) is the Great Tribulation, with the last 3.5 years being even greater tribulation. I have never been able to find that in Scripture. Jesus told us that the Church would have tribulation all the time IF we did what He instructed us to do. And History confirms this. 3). I personally think the first 3.5 years of the last "week" will be an intensifying of the persecution or His Church (I Peter 4:17), but the "peace" agreement will settle things down for the Jews until the middle of the week when he breaks the covenant. 4). Then I see the Rapture where the "Mystery" (I think the Church) is ended, the time for our Lord to Judge the world (the Great Trib) and give rewards to His people (the Judgement seat of Christ}. When the seventh angel blows his shofar (the last trumpet. I also see Matt. 24:1-15 as an outline of what occurs when the seals are broken in Rev. 6, where more detail is given, "then the end" comes. The end of what? I think, the end of the Church age. We know that it is not the "end of time", because he goes on to tell us about the rise of the antichrist. I would appreciate your thoughts.

My reply

> > I understand you to say the 70th week of Dan. started in 2008, and another period of 2300 days began in 2009, then the shortened Great Trib. begins in 2012. Is this correct?.

Yes. I can refine the starting point a little bit more though. It looks like the 70th week of Dan. started in 2008. Our warning sign was the Dow dropping to 777.68 on the last day of 68 (5768). I roughed it out and called 5769 the first year of the Tribulation.

Zeroing in a bit more, when I subtract 2520 days (1260 + 1260) by Jewish Inclusive Reckoning, because it is a block of time, from the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015, Day of God's Wrath, I get Tuesday, Oct. 21, 2008 for the beginning of the 70th week of Daniel.

That is just 8 days before Obama made his worldwide speech on Oct. 29, 2008, Ron Reese's date for the beginning of the Tribulation. He thinks the end date will be the Day of Atonement rather than the Feast of Trumpets.

In that speech, Obama said, "In six days, at this defining moment in history, you can give this country the change we need....I'll eliminate income taxes for seniors making under $50,000."

Has tribulation started? It seems to have for us. Ed and I are seniors. Obama eliminated our cost-of-living increase in Social Security for the next three years in spite of rising costs.

We have had a constant fight against you know who. It almost gets to be funny. In 2006, my 1999 Ford Taurus threw a rod, broke the block, and we had to buy a new vehicle. About three years ago, we had to buy a new refrigerator. Two years ago, we had to buy a new water heater. Last year, that water-heater wouldn't light, this year that Maytag refrigerator wouldn't keep milk. Starting Christmas morning, and with relatives coming for dinner, the furnace wouldn't light. We were without heat 8 days. Had to have a new lighter assembly installed. Now it's the old Sears freezer, with the lid on the top, on the patio that Dave picked up for $25 from someone that was moving and was going to leave it behind.

Just a few days before Dave was in the hospital a month with a ruptured appendix and pneumonia, the freezer on the patio stopped running. Just in the nick of time, Dave ran the electric line to a receptacle inside the house.

Now, the rain got in the freezer through the hinge in the back. Dave found it almost full of water and ice. We didn't dream it could do that or we would have covered it with plastic. Had to unplug it. I'm pouring scalding water on the ice, and Dave is using a huge claw hammer to try to free some things. Now the freezer in the refrigerator is full. Quite a bit that he freed had to go to the trash. We have just quit working on it for the night. Our backs can't take it. There is a good sale on Marie Calendar TV dinners that ends tomorrow. We need that freezer. We don't want to wait for that ice to melt on its own. Half a freezer is better than no freezer. I just hope we can free the baskets though. Can't move them yet.

Back to the subject at hand. I think The Day of God's Wrath, the Day of the Lord, has to be when they blow the alarm on the Feast of Trumpets.

Joel 1:14,15 says, "Sanctify ye a fast (the upcoming Day of Atonement), call a solemn assembly (on the Feast of Trumpets), gather the elders (that were raptured at the First-Trump Rapture) and all the inhabitants of the land (including the 144,000 Israelites caught up at the Last-Trump Rapture) into the house of the LORD your God, and cry unto the LORD, Alas for the day! for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and as a DESTRUCTION from the Almighty shall it come." The asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11 will impact Earth after the 2nd Rapture takes place.

Joel 2:1,2 says, "Blow ye the TRUMPET in Zion, and SOUND AN ALARM in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong (Gog's army); there hath not been ever the like (i.e., not at the beginning of the Tribulation, as some think), neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations." Counting back 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14) by Inclusive Reckoning from Sept. 14, 2015 indicates to me that the Shortened Tribulation started on Pentecost, May 29, 2009, our daughter's birthday.

The first part of the 2300 days would be 1260 days and the last part 1040 days.

> > then the shortened Great Trib. begins in 2012. Is this correct?.

Yes. I get Nov. 8/9, 2012.

> > Second, I know the "dispensationalist" hold that the entire 70th week of Daniel (a 7-yr. period) is the Great Tribulation, with the last 3.5 years being even greater tribulation. I have never been able to find that in Scripture.

The last part of the Tribulation, the 1040 days, seems to be the Great Tribulation. Mt 24:21 says, "For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

Rev 2:22 says, "Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into GREAT TRIBULATION, except they repent of their deeds."

Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

> > 4). Then I see the Rapture where the "Mystery" (I think the Church) is ended, the time for our Lord to Judge the world (the Great Trib) and give rewards to His people (the Judgement seat of Christ}. When the seventh angel blows his shofar (the last trumpet.

I think the Judgment Seat of Christ takes place on the Day of the Lord, which is also the Day of God's Wrath. The second Rapture takes place, Christ is crowned, then Jesus is seated as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ. Rewards are handed out to the saints in Heaven while the asteroid impacts are hitting Earth. Both those in Heaven and those left on Earth are getting their just deserts, one for their belief, the other for their unbelief.

Rev. 11:15-19 says, "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art (i.e., on Coronation Day), and wast (at the First Advent), and art to come (at the Second Advent, 7 months future, Eze. 39:12,13); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged (at the Judgment Seat of Christ), and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."

The 2 stone tablets with the 10 commandments on them represented the 2 stones that will be smashed on Earth (as Moses smashed the first set of commandments at the foot of Mt. Sinai), because they had broken the 10 commandments already.

> > I also see Matt. 24:1-15 as an outline of what occurs when the seals are broken in Rev. 6, where more detail is given, "then the end" comes. The end of what? I think, the end of the Church age. We know that it is not the "end of time", because he goes on to tell us about the rise of the antichrist.

Mt 24:3 (KJV) says, "as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be THE SIGN OF THY COMING (the Six-Day War of 1967, revealed by the Parable of the Fig Tree), and of THE END (sunteleia, consummation, full end) OF THE world?" (Aion, AGE, Christ's millennial kingdom should start Tishri 1, 5776).

Mt 24:3 (LITV) says, "And as He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, Tell us, when will these things be? And, What is THE SIGN of Your coming and of the END OF THE AGE?"

Since Adam was cast out of Eden, there are three ages, roughly 2000 years each, Age of the Gentiles, Age of the Jews, and Age of the Church. The Tribulation is the ends of all three Ages rolled into one. God will deal with the Gentiles, Jews and the Church, not just the Jews, as some say.

I Cor. 10:11 (LITV) says, "Now these things happened unto them by way of example; and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ENDS OF THE AGES are come."

Iyar, 5727 (1967) + 48.33 years (1 generation, Mt. 1:17) = Tishri 1, 5776 (2015/2016), THE ENDS OF THE AGES and the beginning of Christ's Millennial reign. Like Solomon, he will purge his kingdom as it begins.

A Jubilee Year must follow a Sabbatic Year. 5775 is Sabbatic. Therefore, Nisan 1, 5776 to Nisan 1, 5777 can be the Jubilee Year, when all the Jews (Hebrews) will be put back in their own inherited land. Daniel will stand in his lot in Israel on the 1335th day following the Day of the Lord on Tishri 1, 5776. I think Jesus will return Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2016), the first day of the Jubilee Year that will be announced on the previous Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, 5776 (Sept. 23, 2015). Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Greetings from Brazil

I am a brazilian, writing from Brazil, and, first of all, I want to apologize for my bad writting in English. Please forgive me.

I want to share that It has been a great bless to learn with you about Bible prophecy, since I found your website. I really apreciate your understanding and gift on puting everything on it's right place, in a very biblical way. God bless you.

I have been a prophecy student for more than 30 years, but the understanding of two raptures as you teach, really changed everything. Everything is now on right place. Glory to God! Actually, I want to share with you two points I found in my own study... maybe you are already aware of them, but I would apreciate if you could give me your point of view on these things:

The first point is that the greek word peirasmos used by John regarding to Philadelphia Church, that you mentioned on your post on January 17th, is the same wor d used by Peter, translated by temptations:

2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished.

I believe it is very important, for Peter was teaching about the last days, and he was using the figures of Noah and Lot. We must remember that only Peter, John, James and Andrew were with Jesus while He taught Olivet Mountain sermon in Matthews 24 and 25, according to Mark 13:3.

So, the understanding of being considered worthy to escape of all things acording to Luke 21:36, is presented by Peter and John, the only two men that were personally with Jesus while He was teaching, (for we don't have James' and Andrew's writtings with us) and both used the very same word peirasmos, to present the teaching that it is possible to escape all these things! Blessed be the Name of the Lord!

The second point I want to share, is about the same situation, but now when Jesus used Noah and Lot in Luke 17:26-30, that Peter referred to.

I found here a very important key about two raptures taught in Jesus own words

My reply

Thank you for your kind words. Your English is just fine. You got your point across. That's all that matters.

> > The first point is that the greek word peirasmos used by John regarding to Philadelphia Church, that you mentioned on your post on January 17th, is the same word used by Peter, translated by temptations
> > 2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished.
> > I believe it is very important, for Peter was teaching about the last days, and he was using the figures of Noah and Lot. We must remember that only Peter, John, James and Andrew were with Jesus while He taught Olivet Mountain sermon in Matthews 24 and 25, according to Mark 13:3.
> > So, the understanding of being considered worthy to escape of all things acording to Luke 21:36, is presented by Peter and John, the only two men that were personally with Jesus while He was teaching, (for we don't have James' and Andrew's writtings with us) and both used the very same word peirasmos, to present the teaching that it is possible to escape all these things!

Just maybe, the "hour of temptation" (Rev 3:10) we will escape is when the False Prophet requires everyone to take the Mark of the Beast so they can buy and sell.

Rev 3:10 says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience (hupomone, patient endurance [just what we have been doing]), I also will keep thee from (ek, out of) the hour (hora) of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try (peirazo, test) them that dwell upon the earth."

Hora can mean hour (literally or figuratively) or -day, instant, season, but, this is ONE HOUR of temptation, not SEVEN YEARS of temptation. It probably ties in with the Great Tribulation, the shortened last half of the 70th week of Daniel, when the False Prophet will require people to take the Mark of the Beast.

Of the victorious ones, Rev 15:2,3 says, "And I saw as it were a sea of glass (i.e., Saturn's rings made up of ice crystals) mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory OVER THE BEAST, AND OVER HIS IMAGE, AND OVER HIS MARK, AND OVER THE NUMBER OF HIS NAME, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb".

Rev 20:4 says, "I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and WHICH HAD NOT WORSHIPPED THE BEAST, NEITHER HIS IMAGE, NEITHER HAD RECEIVED HIS MARK upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

Why are they tested? to see if they will fall away. Luke 8:13 explains, "They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in TIME OF TEMPTATION fall away".

Thus, this "time of temptation" probably is the time of the Great Tribulation, the last 1260 days (to be shortened to 1040 days) of the 70th week of Daniel. We should be caught up to Heaven before that time arrives.

> > The second point I want to share, is about the same situation, but now when Jesus used Noah and Lot in Luke 17:26-30, that Peter referred to.
> > I found here a very important key about two raptures taught in Jesus own words

I'm glad you can see the two Raptures there. Many don't. They lump the days of Noah and the days of Lot together, and think both apply to the first Rapture. However, the conditions of Noah's day are not the same as those of Lot's day. In Noah's day, water started to fall. In Lot's day, fire and brimstone started to fall.

There are two Days of the Son of man, i.e., two Raptures. The First-Trump Rapture of I Thess. 4:16,17 is as the days of Noah. The Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor. 15:51,52 is as the days of Lot.

Luke 17:26-37 says, "And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days (plural) of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded (notice that it doesn't say they married, even though Lot had a wife);

"But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed (that's when they see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky). In that day (i.e., the Day of God's Wrath; Rev. 6:17), he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken (raptured), and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is (the Body of Christ is in Heaven), thither will the eagles (the high flying Tribulation saints) be gathered together."

Isa 40:31 says, "But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."

Mt 24:30 says, "And then (tote, at the same time) shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then (tote, at the same time) shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

They will see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky on the Day of the Lord, which is also the day of the Last-Trump Rapture (I Cor. 15:51,52) and the Day of God's Wrath, but I think the Second Advent will be on Nisan 1, seven months after the Day of God's Wrath (Eze. 39:12,13). The extra month is reflected in Dan. 12:12.

Dan 12:12 says, "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days." That adds 30 days for Adar II, the 13th month in a Hebrew Leap Year. Therefore, the year of the Second Advent is a Leap Year, like 5776.

I think the 7 trumpet judgments will be poured out on Earth on the Day of God's Wrath, and the vials of God's Wrath will continue on during the 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath and the Second Advent. Five months are mentioned in Rev. 9:5.

It says, "And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented FIVE MONTHS: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man."

I'm hoping for the First-Trump Rapture on Ascension Day, Sunday, Iyar 25, 5770, May 9, 2010. The Preview of the Rapture in Rev. 1:9-11 shows that it will be on Sunday, the Lord's Day.

The second Rapture will be on the great and terrible Day of the Lord, which is the Day of God's Wrath.

I don't think the first Rapture can be on a Feast Day, but the second Rapture should be on a feast, the Feast of Trumpets.The types are in Num 10:2-4.

TYPE OF THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE

Num 10:2,3 says, "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest USE THEM (both) FOR THE CALLING OF THE ASSEMBLY (edah, congregation, multitude, people), AND FOR THE JOURNEYING OF THE CAMPS. And when they shall blow with them (both), ALL THE ASSEMBLY (i.e., the 'general assembly' in Heaven at the Last-Trump Rapture, Heb. 12:23) shall assemble themselves to thee at the DOOR (type of a Rapture, Rev. 3:8) of the tabernacle of the congregation (moed, place of meeting, assembly, due season, set time, SET SOLEMN FEAST, i.e., the Feast of Trumpets)."

TYPE OF THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE

Nu 10:4 says, "And IF THEY BLOW BUT WITH ONE TRUMPET (type of the First-Trump Rapture), THEN THE PRINCES (i.e., the 12 patriarchs), which are HEADS OF THE THOUSANDS OF ISRAEL, shall gather themselves unto thee."

This ties in with Rev 4:1-4. It says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one (Christ) sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (first stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (last stone in the breastplate, i.e., this is actually Christ, the first and the last, YHWH king of Israel and YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer; Isa. 44:6): and there was a rainbow (i.e., Saturn's rings) round about the throne (Saturn), in sight like unto an emerald (Judah's stone in the breastplate, and Christ is the Lion of the Tribe of Judah). And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats (lit., thrones) I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold." Twelve of these elders are the patriarchs, and twelve are the 12 apostles of Israel, including John. God bless. Agape

My reply to a post on the Five Doves site

Sherry Vance (25 Jan 2010) "Reply (Part One) to Randy Larson (23 Jan 2010) "SHABUWA"" http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2010/sherryv125.htm > > and the end thereof shall be with a flood (since God promised back in Genesis 9:11 to never destroy the Earth again with a literal flood, this obviously has another application: that of a sudden 'deluge' or outpouring of destruction & ruin....and not with H2o) Gen 8:21 says, "And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more EVERY THING LIVING, as I have done." The next time, the destruction is by fire and water, but it won't kill everything living. Gen 9:11 says, "And I will establish my covenant with you; NEITHER SHALL ALL FLESH BE CUT OFF any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth." The important things to keep in mind are "every thing living" and "all flesh be cut off". Never again will "EVERY THING LIVING" be cut off, but SOME will be cut off with a flood. Isa 28:15-19 says, "Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the WATERS SHALL OVERFLOW THE HIDING PLACE. And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; WHEN THE OVERFLOWING SCOURGE (a tsunami) SHALL PASS THROUGH, THEN YE SHALL BE TRODDEN DOWN BY IT. From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for MORNING BY MORNING SHALL IT PASS OVER, BY DAY AND BY NIGHT: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report." This is what happens when the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 impacts the Mediterranean Sea. There will be fire, tsunamis and great slaughter, but not every living thing will die as in Noah's Flood. Isa 30:25,26 says, "And THERE SHALL BE UPON EVERY HIGH MOUNTAIN, AND UPON EVERY HIGH HILL, RIVERS AND STREAMS OF WATERS IN THE DAY OF THE GREAT SLAUGHTER, WHEN THE TOWERS FALL. Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound." > > and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. (what "war?" > the Spiritual war that will be fought on Earth during the time of great tribulation, "such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." The war is when Gog's army (Eze. 38:18-20) attacks Israel on the great and terrible Day of the Lord, the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of God's Wrath. > > You can see that there are 3 subjects within verse 26 > 1) after the 69th Week, Messiah is crucified, 2) the people (Romans) of "the (lower-case) prince that shall come (anti-christ) will destroy the city & Temple, and 3) time leap forward to the end-times which will come suddenly -like a flood- and until the end of the war everything that is determined by God will be finished..... Dan 9:26 says, "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people (Romans) of the prince that shall come (the Pope, head of the Roman Ecclesiastical Empire) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and THE END THEREOF SHALL BE WITH A FLOOD (i.e., a tsunami), and unto the end of the war (of Eze. 38:18-20) desolations are determined." > > ....."he" won't really be from "Rome," but "he" will come out of the "New-Age Roman Empire" - AMERICA! I think he will really be from Rome, Italy. Rev 17:10 says, "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come". They are all literal. AT THE TIME OF THE RAPTURE, FIVE ARE FALLEN 1. Babel, ruled by Nimrod, who set up the Mystery Religion of Babylon 2. Babylon II, well-known ruler: Nebuchadnezzar 3. Media-Persia, well-known ruler: Cyrus 4. Greece, well-known ruler: Alexander the Great 5. Holy Roman Empire, well-known ruler: Caesar ONE IS (THE DEADLY WOUND IS HEALED) 6. Ecclesiastical Roman Empire, ruler: the Pontifex Maximus THE OTHER HAS NOT YET COME 7. Babylon III, ruler: False Prophet Agape

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