Pro and Con 1538

Posted 2-4-10

A SIGN, DEMONSTRATING THE FORCE OF IMPACT WHEN WORMWOOD COLLIDES WITH EARTH, CAUSING THE DARK DAY

"Unusual Asteroid Tail Implies Powerful Collision"


http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap100203.html

"Knowing that the object orbits in the asteroid belt...a preliminary hypothesis that appears to explain all of the known clues is that P/2010 A2 is the debris left over from a recent collision between two small asteroids. If true, the collision likely occurred at over 15,000 kilometers per hour -- five times the speed of a rifle bullet -- and liberated energy in excess of a nuclear bomb. Pressure from sunlight would then spread out the debris into a trailing tail."

Luke 21:25,26,28 says, "there shall be SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars..Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken....And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."

From a post on the Five Doves site, Re: Joe Hoyle (28 Jan 2010)
"Reply To Marilyn Agee: The 24 Elders"

Hey Marilyn, It's been a few years now...In response to your post: http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2010/marilyna126.htm
First of all, I agree with you that the 24 Elders are not angels, and you produce good and proper Scripture for that.

The identity if the 24 Elders has always been an interesting topic to ponder for me as well.
And like you, and for many, if not most others, the standard thought for the identity of the 24 have usually been the 12 Patriarchs of the Old Testament and the 12 Apostles of the New Testament.

But the Holy Spirit sort of led me away from the outright 12 Patriarchs and 12 Apostles point of view.
Lets us go to the great Faith chapter of Hebrews Chapter Eleven and Verse Two. (Hebrews 11:2)

(In Speaking Of Their Faith, the Scripture says)
" For by it the --elders-- obtained a good report."

There are 16 names of the Hebrews 11 Elders here on the Faith list, and in order they are:
ABEL, ENOCH, NOAH, ABRAHAM, SARAH, ISAAC, JACOB, JOSEPH, MOSES, RAHAB, GIDEON, BARAK, SAMSON, JEPHTHAH, DAVID, SAMUEL

Now the chapter 11:32 verse indicates that this is only a partial list, with others also of the Prophets, who aren't mentioned by name, who could be both "major" and or "minor" Prophets.

Also included in the Elder Faith list are two women--Sarah and Rahab
This should not be unusual because the Lord God did hand pick Deborah to be one of the Judges (Deliverers) of Israel. As well as Esther, to be the Jewish queen of a Gentile nation--now go figure that one!

With Ruth a Gentile, being a direct descendant of the Royal lineage of the Lord Jesus.
While a...virgin named Mary being the one to usher the Lord Jesus into the World.
Any one of those ladies could be considered to be Elders themselves.

The Apostle Paul wrote only of male Elders, while the Apostle Peter made no distinction between male and female Elders in his writing.

So female Elders in purely Biblical prophetic terms can't be totally ruled out in conjunction with at least the Revelation 24 Elders in Heaven.
Although in terms of the general church body here on Earth, they can be.
So--bottom line, the Hebrews chapter 11 group may indeed be only a partial list of the 24 Elders group.

The Hebrews 11 list is made up of only Old Testament Saints, which may be why it's only a partial list, because there will probably be several New Testament Saints involved, and Five of those quickly comes to mind.

John Baptist and the Apostle Paul almost for sure, along with the three "inner circle" Apostles, Peter. James, and John. A great case can be made for Joshua and Elijah, as well as Ezekiel and Isaiah.

Luke wouldn't surprise me much either, and I think that there probably will be some of those surprises. Whoever they all are, they will be a powerful Faith group, no doubt about that, for me at least.

As the Apostle Paul wrote.....For now we see through a glass darkly.....

My reply

I agree that there are many elders such as ABEL, ENOCH, NOAH and ABRAHAM, but there are 24 special elders that are separated from the pack and seated on thrones before God in Rev. 4:4. Of those, I think John is one....

Before we get into Rev. 4:1-4, let's establish that Jesus is the first and the last. In Rev. 1:17, Jesus said, "I am the first and the last". In Rev 22:13, he said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."

This agrees with Isa. 44:6: "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, and his REDEEMER the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH King of Israel), and I am the last (YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer, Jesus Christ); and beside me there is no God."
2Cor 5:19 says, "GOD WAS IN CHRIST, RECONCILING THE WORLD UNTO HIMSELF".
John 10:30 says, "I and my Father are ONE."

With that in mind, look at Rev. 4:1-4. It says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one (i.e., YHWH of hosts, Jesus Christ) sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (first stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is the first) and a sardine stone (last stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is the last): and there was a rainbow (Saturn's rings) round about the throne (on Saturn, Eze. 1:1,26f), in sight like unto an emerald (the stone of Judah, i.e., Jesus is of the tribe of Judah). And round about the throne were four and twenty seats (lit., thrones): and upon the seats I saw four and twenty ELDERS sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold."

Eze 1:1: "Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of GOD."

Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space than the 4 terrestrial planets) was the likeness (symbolic language) of a THRONE, as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone (sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn from the Sanskrit Sani (Saturn) and priya (dear): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a MAN (the God/man Jesus Christ) above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn has amber on it), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness (the ring system) round about. As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

Rev 19:4 says, "And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped GOD (i.e., the God/man) THAT SAT ON THE THRONE, saying, Amen; Alleluia."

It looks like we will always see God in the face of Jesus Christ. Rev 22:3,4 says, "And there shall be no more curse: but the throne (one throne) of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face (one face); and his name shall be in their foreheads."

In Mt 19:28, "Jesus said unto them (the 12 apostles), Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration WHEN THE SON OF MAN SHALL SIT IN THE THRONE OF HIS GLORY (i.e., as in Rev. 4:2,3), YE ALSO SHALL SIT UPON TWELVE THRONES, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

Therefore, I feel sure that 12 of the elders are the 12 apostles. What about the other 12?

Num 10:1-4 says, "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly (edah, congregation, multitude, people), and for the journeying of the camps. And when they shall blow with them (both), ALL THE ASSEMBLY (i.e., the 'general assembly' in Heaven at the Last-Trump Rapture, Heb. 12:23) shall assemble themselves to thee at the DOOR (type of a Rapture, Rev. 3:8) of the tabernacle of the congregation (moed, place of meeting, assembly, due season, set time, set solemn feast, i.e., Feast of Trumpets). And IF THEY BLOW BUT WITH ONE TRUMPET (type of the First-Trump Rapture), THEN THE PRINCES (i.e., the 12 patriarchs), which are HEADS OF THE THOUSANDS OF ISRAEL, shall gather themselves unto thee."

Who are "the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel" but the 12 patriarchs? I think this scripture identifies them as Jacob/Israel's 12 sons.

Each tribe was headed up by one of the 12 sons....When they camped around the Tabernacle, they camped in groups headed up by the 12 patriarchs.

Num 2:2,3 says, "Every man of the children of Israel shall pitch by his own standard, with the ensign of THEIR FATHER'S HOUSE"...

Ex 31:2 says, "See, I have called by name Bezaleel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the TRIBE OF JUDAH"....

Num 1:5 says, "And these are the names of the men that shall stand with you: of the TRIBE OF REUBEN".

Num 1:23 says, "Those that were numbered of them, even of the TRIBE OF SIMEON, were fifty and nine thousand and three hundred."

Rev 7:8 Of the TRIBE OF ZABULON were sealed twelve thousand. Of the TRIBE OF JOSEPH were sealed twelve thousand....etc.

Rev 5:5 says, "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDA (i.e., Jesus Christ), the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof."

Since Jesus is both God sitting on the throne and the Redeemer, Rev. 5:6,7 has to use a symbol of the Redeemer, the lamb. It says, "in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. And he (the Lamb) came and took the book out of the right hand of him (Jesus Christ) that sat upon the throne."

Gen 49:28 says, "All these (sons of Jacob/Israel) are the twelve tribes of Israel: and this is it that their father spake unto them, and blessed them".

Ex 28:21 says, "And the stones (of the breastplate) shall be with the names of the children of Israel, twelve, according to their names, like the engravings of a signet; every one with his name shall they be according to the TWELVE TRIBES."

Num 1:44 says, "These are those that were numbered, which Moses and Aaron numbered, and the PRINCES OF ISRAEL, being TWELVE MEN: each one was for the house of his fathers."

Num 10:4 says, "And if they blow but with one trumpet (i.e., at the First-Trump Rapture), then the PRINCES, WHICH ARE HEADS OF THE THOUSANDS OF ISRAEL (i.e., the 12 patriarchs), shall gather themselves unto thee."

The TWELVE APOSTLES AND THE PATRIARCHS OF THE TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL will be in Heaven at the First-Trump Rapture. In Luke 22:30, Jesus told the apostles, "ye may eat and drink AT MY TABLE IN MY KINGDOM, AND SIT ON THRONES JUDGING THE TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL."

In the light of these verses, I think the 24 elders are the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles of Israel raised up at the First-Trump Rapture. How about you? Agape

His reply

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/jhoyle21.htm
Hey Marilyn, In response to your post: You asked me what I think.

I think that you make a good case for your position.
And as I said before, a good case can be made for the 24 Elders consisting of the 12 Patriarchs and the 12 Apostles.

In the case of the 12 Apostles, if they are all indeed counted as Elders, I've always thought that the Apostle Paul, who was directly appointed and chosen by the Lord Jesus, is actually the 12th Apostle, over Matthias, who was chosen by lots to just fill an empty position at the time.

Otherwise, I was just presenting an alternative viewpoint in looking at the Hebrews 11 Faith group, also referred to as Elders, among others as well.

Otherwise, as far as the general Patriarch topic is concerned, the below Wikipedia article has a good take on that subject.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarchs_(Bible)

And as far as the 12 Patriarch variations, the below Wikipedia article has a good take on those, but not including the Revelation 7:5-8 group, which is even a little more different than the others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Lost_Tribes

My reply to a post on the Five Doves site

Re: Elaine B: identity of the 24 elders (25 Jan 2010)
"My new thoughts about the identity of the 24 elders"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2010/elianeb125-2.htm

> > I believe that the 24 Elders described in Revelation 4 are the 24 angels that have positions of leadership in Heaven, and are portrayed at the time the Church elect arrive in Heaven instants after the Pretrib Rapture.

I think the 24 elders are the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles of Israel. John was one of the elders. He was caught up to Heaven in the First-Trump Rapture in Rev. 4:1. Immediately afterward, in Rev. 4:4, he was seen crowned and sitting on his throne with the other 23 elders in Heaven, showing that Rev. 4:1 represents the whole first-Rapture group. They go up as John goes up.
Peter is one of the elders too. 1Peter 5:1 says, "The elders which are among you I exhort, WHO AM ALSO AN ELDER, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed".

Num 10:1-4 says, "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly (edah, congregation, multitude, people), and for the journeying of the camps. And when they shall blow with them (both), ALL THE ASSEMBLY (i.e., the 'general assembly' in Heaven at the Last-Trump Rapture, Heb. 12:23) shall assemble themselves to thee at the DOOR (type of a Rapture, Rev. 3:8) of the tabernacle of the congregation (moed, place of meeting, assembly, due season, set time, set solemn feast, i.e., Feast of Trumpets). And IF THEY BLOW BUT WITH ONE TRUMPET (type of the First-Trump Rapture), THEN THE PRINCES (i.e., the 12 patriarchs), which are HEADS OF THE THOUSANDS OF ISRAEL, shall gather themselves unto thee."

If half of the 24 elders are the 12 patriarchs, it follows that the other 12 are the apostles, including Peter and John, who was just told to "COME UP HITHER" in Rev. 4:1.

THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE IS PROBABLY NOT ON A FEAST DAY

Notice that the time of the First-Trump Rapture does not tie in with a feast, as does the Last-Trump Rapture. Therefore, the First-Trump Rapture could take place on Ascension Day, May 9, 2010, which is on SUNDAY, as suggested by the "Lord's day" in Rev. 1:9-11.

It says, "I John, who also am your brother, and COMPANION IN TRIBULATION, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos (meaning mortal), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on THE LORD'S DAY (Sunday), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a TRUMPET, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last".

The first Rapture is on the Lord's Day, and the last Rapture is on the Day of the Lord, which is the Day of God's Wrath and the Feast of Trumpets.

At the time of the second Rapture, the Feast of Trumpets, Rev 7:11 says, "And ALL THE ANGELS stood round about the throne, and about the ELDERS and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God".

The elders are not angels, because they are surrounded by "ALL the angels".

Hebrews 12:1 says, "let us (i.e., believers) run with patience the race that is set before us." Some will be wise virgins who win the right to be caught up in the first Rapture. Others will be foolish virgins and have to wait for the second Rapture.

Heb 12:11-13 addresses the foolish Laodicean virgins that are to be chastened. It says, "Now no CHASTENING for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees; And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed."

In Rev. 3:17-19, Jesus says to the Laodiceans, "Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold (symbol of deity, i.e., the Holy Spirit) tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and CHASTEN: be zealous therefore, and repent" (i.e., use I John 1:9).

Heb. 12:22-25 says, "But ye (i.e., foolish Laodicean virgins) are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the GENERAL ASSEMBLY (paneguris, Thayer: festal gathering) and CHURCH OF THE FIRSTBORN, which are written IN HEAVEN, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect (i.e., made actually immortal at the Last-Trump Rapture, I Cor. 15:51,52), And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we ESCAPE, if we turn away from HIM THAT SPEAKETH FROM HEAVEN".

Joel 1:14,15 says of that Feast of Trumpets, "Sanctify ye a fast (the upcoming Day of Atonement), CALL A SOLEMN ASSEMBLY (atsarah, assembly, especially on a festival), gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the LORD your God, and cry unto the LORD, Alas for the day! for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and as a DESTRUCTION from the Almighty shall it come."

> > Please note that the Tribulation Saints who later arrive in Heaven do not sing the New Song. Only the 144.000 who later arrive in Heaven (after their mission is fulfilled) sing the New Song (Revelation 14:3) thus implying that they join the “24 new Elders group”, probably completing the 3 sets of 12 that were originally created by our Heavenly Father (I’m talking about a complete group of 36 Elders now). Maybe the 3rd set of 12 is represented by the leader of each of the Tribes of Israel in the 144.000 group.

I think the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles are caught up in the First-Trumpet-Rapture group, and that there are only 24 elders. Agape

My reply to a post on the Five Doves site

Re: Ed Gormley: "Bruce Warner Post"

> > I have kept silence about whether we have a 7 year or 31/2 year great tribulation because Bruce Warner has been doing a pretty good job. I am not saying I agree totally with him on everything but we are on the same page with the 3/1/2 great tribulation. You can’t find 7 years anywhere in Revelation.

Daniel 9:27 tells us about the 70th week of years, i.e., a 7-year span of time, and mentions what will take place in the middle of that week. These prophecies are interwoven mainly between Daniel, the gospels, I and II Thessalonians, I Corinthians and Revelation. We can learn more by piecing them together as if working a jig-saw puzzle.

Let's start with Daniel 9:27. It says, "And he ('the prince that shall come') shall confirm (or strengthen) the covenant with many for one week (7 years): and in the midst of the week (i.e., after 3.5 years) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (as in Mt. 24:15, quoted later), and for the overspreading of abominations (idols) he shall make it (the Temple) desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

The mention of the midst of the week splits the 7 years into 3.5 years and 3.5 years.

I have heard that the Temple can be built in 9 months, but it might take less time, because the sanctuary was built in one year in Herod's day. The priests have been practicing on a full-scale copy already.

In chapter 10, Daniel had a vision and was told in verse 14, "Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days." I think we are living in the latter days.

Dan 11:31 says, "And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination (an idol) that maketh desolate."

The Jews are going to start sacrificing this next Passover, but they won't get to sacrifice very long, for the False Prophet will sit in the Temple "shewing himself that he is God" (2 Thess. 2:4) in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel.

Dan 7:23-25 says, "The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces (it has already been divided into 10 regions). And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another (i.e., the False Prophet) shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time (3.5 years).

Dan 8:13,14,17,19 says, "Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." That seems to give us the total number of days in the shortened 70th week of Daniel....Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision....Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be."

2Th 2:1-4 says, "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him (i.e., at the First-Trump Rapture), That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (it is Day of the Lord in important manuscripts older than those used when translating the KJV) is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away (this should be translated departing, i.e., the First-Trump Rapture) first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition (the Satan-possessed False Prophet); Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." The sacrificing will stop when he defiles the Temple in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel.

Mt 24:15,16 tells us about the defiling of the Temple in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel. It says, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains".

This ties in with Rev. 12:6,14. It says, "And the woman fled into the wilderness (i.e., in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel), where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days (3.5 years)....And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place (Petra), where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (3.5 years), from the face of the serpent."

This also ties in with Dan 11:31. It says, "And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination (idol) that maketh desolate."

Dan 7:25,26 tells us more about the False Prophet. It says, "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time (3.5 years). But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end."

Dan. 12:7 says, "it shall be for a time, times, and an half (3.5 years); and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Dan 12:10,11 says, "Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away (in the middle of the 70th Week of Daniel), and the abomination (idol) that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."

This extra 30 days past the 1260 days shows us that the last month is a Jewish Leap Year with the 13th month, Adar II. The 30th of Adar II, 5776 = Sat, 9 April 2016.

Dan 12:12,13 says, "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days."

Daniel will stand in his inherited plot of ground in Israel on the 1335th day after the middle of the 70th week of Daniel. This shows that the final year is a Jubilee Year. It seems to start with the Second Advent on Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016.

Both the Leap Year and the Jubilee Year seem to lock in these dates.

Where does the First-Trump Rapture fit? The Last-Trump Rapture will be on the Day of God's Wrath, probably Tishri 1, 5776, Sept. 14, 2015 (Rev. 6:17; 7:14), but what about the first Rapture?

Rev 17:9-14 says, "And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads (of the great red dragon) are seven mountains (kingdoms), on which the woman (the Mystery Religion of Babylon set up by Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz at the Tower of Babel) sitteth." The rulers of all 7 kingdoms bear the name of blasphemy, Pontifex Maximus, usurping the place of the true High Priest, Jesus Christ.

Rev 13:1 says, "I...saw a beast rise up out of the sea (people, multitudes, nations, and tongues, Rev. 17:15), having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads (all 7) the name of blasphemy" (Pontifex Maximus).

1. Babel
2. Babylon II
3. Media-Persia
4. Greece
5. Holy Roman Empire
6. Ecclesiastical Roman Empire
7. Babylon III

AT THE TIME OF THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE

"...five (kings) are fallen, and ONE IS (the PONTIFEX MAXIMUS), and the other (the False Prophet) is not yet come (so the First-Trump Rapture is before Mid-Trib); and when he cometh (Mid-Trib, he must continue a short space (i.e., the shortened Great Tribulation). And the beast that was, and is not, even he (Satan) is the eighth, and is of the seven (a controlling influence), and goeth into perdition (the Satan-possessed False Prophet, the son of perdition). And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which (at the time of the First-Trump Rapture) HAVE RECEIVED NO KINGDOM AS YET; but receive power as kings one hour with THE BEAST (the Satan-possessed False Prophet that comes to power in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel). These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb (Christ) shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and THEY (the raptured Bride of Christ, the wise virgins) THAT ARE WITH HIM ARE CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL." Their lamps are burning brightly.

Mt 22:2-14 says, "The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment (like a Laodicean): And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer (outside the door) darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen." We must be called, and chosen, and faithful.

Luke 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant (the foolish virgins) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (the rest of the 70th Week, including the Great Tribulation) with the unbelievers."

Mt. 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion (the Great Tribulation) with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Mt 24:3 (LITV) says, "And as He (Jesus) was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, Tell us, when will these things be? And, WHAT IS THE SIGN OF YOUR COMING AND OF THE END OF THE AGE?"

The answer was given in the Parable of the Fig Tree. When we see the fig tree Israel growing leaves, as she did in the Six-Day War, there is just one generation to the end of the Age and the Second Advent. A generation is 48.33 years (Mt. 1:17).

June, 1967 + 48.33 = 2015.33, or Tishri 1, 5776, Sept. 14, 2015 for the end of the Age. There are 7 months between Tishri 1, 5776 and Nisan 1, 5776, which I think is the Second Advent, because it is a Leap Year, exactly as Eze. 39:12,13 says. That is perfect for the first day of the Jubilee Year, because it has to follow a Sabbatical Year like 5775. Therefore, Nisan 1, 5776 to Nisan 1, 5777 can be the Jubilee.

In the Preview of the Rapture, Rev 1:9-11 says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos (meaning mortal), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (Sunday), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega".

I think this indicates that the Rapture will be on Sunday. No feast is on Sunday until 2012. Therefore, I think the Rapture will probably take place on Sunday, May 9, 2010, Ascension Day. We will know soon. Agape

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