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Posted 8-11-2010

Wow! what an aurora that Solar eruption caused


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Space Weather News for August 8, 2010

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SOLAR BLAST JUST MISSES EARTH: On Saturday, August 7th, magnetic fields around sunspot 1093 erupted. NASA spacecraft and many amateur astronomers photographed the blast, which produced a strong M1-class solar flare and hurled a coronal mass ejection (CME) into space--apparently just missing the sun-Earth line.

My reply to a post on the Five Doves site

Re: Bruce Warner (11 Aug 2010)
"TO: Marilyn Agee RE: YOUR POST (9 Aug 2010)"

> > you must not believe that the Second Advent will fulfill the three Fall Feasts just as the First Advent fulfilled the three Spring Feasts. Is that correct?

Yes. Scripture does not say that. Someone along the way assumed it. I just go by what Scripture says.

> > I agree that it looks like the Jubilee fits your calculations, but I believe that the Second Advent will fulfill the three Fall Feasts which would begin on Rosh Hashanah/Feast of Trumpets in the Fall of 2016 if that is the Jubilee Year. whaddyathink?

We shouldn't get the cart before the horse. It seems to me that the Fall Feasts will be fulfilled before the Jubilee Year begins.

I think the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776 (Mon., Sept. 14, 2015) will be the Day of God's Wrath. I believe that the Jubilee Year will run from the following Nisan 1, 5776 (Sat., April 9, 2016) to Nisan 1, 5777 (Tue, March 28, 2017).

I expect the fall feasts to be fulfilled one right after the other in 2015. Here is the way I see it from Trumpets to the Second Advent on the first day of the Jubilee Year.

1. Trumpets, Tishri 1 - great and terrible Day of the Lord, Rapture of Tribulation saints, in Heaven, Jesus receives his Millennial Kingdom, sits as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ, Day of God's Wrath because Gog's army will attack Israel that day

2. Day of Atonement, Tishri 10 - all Israelites accepted by the Lord when he will take away their sins

3. Tabernacles, Tishri 15 - thankful Israelites live in hastily constructed booths, because all walls will fall in the worldwide earthquake caused by the two asteroid impacts on the Feast of Trumpets

4. Seven month interval in a leap year (i.e., Tishri 1 to Nisan 1, 5776) while Israel buries bodies to cleanse the land

5. Second Advent, Jesus returns in glory as King of kings and Lord of lords on Nisan 1, the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee Year

Rom 11:25-27 says, "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in (i.e., at the Last-Trump Rapture on Trumpets). And so ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, WHEN I SHALL TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."

Eze 39:11-13 says, "And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog. And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, ALL the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be GLORIFIED (i.e., at the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."

Col 3:4 says, "When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in GLORY." God bless. Agape

My reply to another post on the Five Doves site

> > Arch's video on the other "Ark "
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2973853741381710825#

I think he really found the remains of Noah's Ark. He probably found where the remains of the Ark of the Covenant has been all these years. But, I don't think he found the Breastplate. That one was metal. The real one was fabric. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: A lifetime is 70 years. A generation is 48.33 years.

Looking at this question either way brings us to 2011.

A Chronology Of End Of Age Events - This Week’s Feature Article by Jack Kelley – www.gracethrufaith.com

More and more as we get closer to the end, people want to see a time line of coming events. Questions about the order in which events will take place, the span of time between them and the likelihood of there being enough time for everything to happen in the time we have left are becoming more numerous with each passing week.

As you know the Bible doesn’t provide this level of specificity. But neither are we left to make unfounded predictions. There are a number of clues scattered throughout the New Testament that take much of the guess work out of things. With diligent study, we can put them together and make some pretty reasonable assumptions.

Romans 11:25

For example Romans 11:25 says Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of Gentiles has come in. I’ve shown several times how the phrases “full number” and “come in” point to the Rapture of the Church. In Paul’s day they were often used in a nautical context. The “full number” was the number of crew members a ship needed before it was authorized to set sail. As soon as the full number of crewmen had been contracted the ship immediately left the harbor to begin its journey.

The phrase “come in” means to arrive at the ship’s scheduled destination. It’s still in use today. People talk about how different life will be for them when their ship “comes in”.

From Romans 11:25 we get the notion that the Church has a full number, too. That’s the number of believers necessary for the rapture. Reaching that number frees us from the constraints of this world and we’ll immediately “come in” to our scheduled destination, Heaven.

Jesus told the disciples He was going to His father’s house to prepare a place for us, and then He’d come back for us to take us there (John 14:2-3). He didn’t say He’d come back here where we are to be with us here, as in the 2nd Coming. He said He’d come back to take us there to be with Him where He is. This has to be a reference to the Rapture. Once He’s done that, Israel’s time of hardening will come to an end and the time of their reconciliation will begin.

Isaiah 17, Psalm 83, and Ezekiel 38-39

Ezekiel said that one outcome of the battle he described in chapters 38-39 is that Israel will be awakened to His presence (Ezekiel 39:22). Since Paul said Israel’s awakening will follow the rapture and Ezekiel said it will be an outcome of his battle, we can assume the rapture will likely precede Ezekiel 38.

None of Israel’s current next door neighbors are mentioned by Ezekiel, even though they’re all antagonists, but the prophecies of Isaiah 17 and Psalm 83 feature them prominently. From this we can conclude these prophecies will be fulfilled ahead of Ezekiel 38 but there’s no way to tell if they will also take place before the rapture.

Acts 15:13-18

A set of parallel clues can bring us to the same conclusion about the relationship between Ezekiel 38 and the rapture. In Acts 15:13-18 James said that Israel was being set aside so the Lord could take out of the Gentiles a people for himself, after which David’s fallen Tabernacle would be rebuilt. The phrase “take out” comes from a Greek word that means to take hold of something for the purpose of carrying it away. It refers to the rapture of the Church.

David’s fallen Tabernacle is the Temple which was destroyed in 70 AD and will be restored. But there won’t be any need for a Temple until Israel is back in an Old Covenant relationship with God. And this will only happen after the Battle of Ezekiel 38. Being back in an Old Covenant relationship means Daniel’s 70th Week will have begun (Daniel 9:27). That means the Age of Grace will have come to an end and the Church will be gone.

Matt. 24:34, Psalm 90:10 and Isaiah 23:15

Based on these verses I believe Jesus said His 2nd Coming would take place about 70 years from the time Israel became a nation again in 1948. (As I demonstrated in “Why The Re-Birth Of Israel Is A Sign Of The End”, it doesn’t make sense to tie Matt. 24:34 to signs that happen just a few years before the 2nd coming.) Adding 70 years to 1948 brings us to the end of 2018. When Daniel’s 70th Week begins, there will only be seven years left until the 2nd coming. That means Daniel’s 70th Week will have to begin 7 years prior to 2018, in 2011.

Other clues indicate the 2nd Coming will likely happen on Rosh Hashanna, also known as the Feast of Trumpets and the Jewish New Year. Because it takes place at the time of the new moon rather than on a full moon, it’s often difficult to determine the exact time of its arrival. For this reason it was sometimes referred to in the past as the feast where no man knows the day or hour. Jesus used a form of this phrase 4 times in the span of 23 verses while referring to the time of the 2nd Coming (Matt. 24:42, 44, 50, Matt 25:13).

Computer projections tell us that in 2018 Rosh Hashanna will occur on Sept. 9-10. But it takes a confirmed visual sighting to make it official and Matt. 24:29 says the moon will not give its light following the end of the Great Tribulation, so no one will know the day or hour of His return until they see Him coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. (Matt. 24:30)

That’s All Folks

That’s as much of a hint as to timing the Bibles gives us. But remember Psalm 83, Isaiah 17 and Ezekiel 38 are all called battles, not wars. If Israel acted without restraint Psalm 83 would likely require only a week or so to fulfill. Isaiah 17 involves only the firing of a missile or the dropping of a bomb. The Rapture of the Church will happen in the twinkling of an eye. God could annihilate the forces of Ezekiel 38 in an afternoon. My point is, this is not too much for Him to accomplish in the time that’s left.

The way the Middle East keeps heating up it’s possible the fulfillment of Psalm 83 and Isaiah 17 could happen very soon. When the Gaza Blockade issue threatened to ignite into a full blown confrontation recently, I thought we were seeing its beginning. But sad to say it’s not if these two prophecies will be fulfilled but when. And from Scripture you can’t tell if they’ll happen before or after the Rapture. They could all happen at once.

But after they do, the Battle of Ezekiel 38 will follow, Israel’s awakening being necessary for Daniel’s 70th Week to begin. This will bring the anti-Christ to the forefront to confirm the treaty that allows for a Temple to be built. In the middle of the 70th Week he’ll claim to be God, kicking off the Great Tribulation, after which the Lord will return to establish His Kingdom.

Over the past few weeks we’ve taken a fresh look at Psalm 83, Isaiah 17, and Ezekiel 38-39. We’ve also shown why the re-birth of Israel has to be the premier sign of the End of the Age. Hopefully, this perspective on how all these prophecies are related will provide the overview we need to understand how very close we are to the End of the Age. Even angels have longed to look into these things (1 Peter 1:12) but you and I are blessed to experience them firsthand. You can almost hear the footsteps of the Messiah.

My reply

> > Looking at this question either way brings us to 2011.

I think we have a good chance of getting out of here on Cheshvan 17 (Oct. 25, 2010), because it is as the days of Noah. That is when Noah went in and the Lord closed the door.

> > Since Paul said Israel’s awakening will follow the rapture and Ezekiel said it will be an outcome of his battle, we can assume the rapture will likely precede Ezekiel 38.

Good point. I hadn't thought of that. Some people think the Gog and Magog War will come at the beginning of the Tribulation. I don't see how that could be possible, but they think that because Israel burns the weapons seven years, that means during the seven-year Tribulation. I think they burn them during the first seven years of Christ's millennial reign.

Eze 39:9 says, "And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years".

Eze. 39:12,13 says, "And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD." He will be glorified at the Second Advent, so these 7 months precede it.

I expect both Raptures to precede the Gog and Magog war of Eze. 38. That war will take place on the Day of God's Wrath. So will the Rapture of the Tribulation saints. The day of God's Wrath has begun in Rev. 6:17. The Tribulation saints are in heaven in Rev. 7:14. The trumpet judgments start in Rev. 8.

Luke 17:29,31 says, "But the SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back." That's the 2nd Rapture on the great and terrible Day of the Lord.

In the worldwide earthquake of Eze. 38:18-20, every wall in the world will fall. All the cities will be in shambles. One of the two major pieces of an asteroid that will impact Earth that day will hit the Mediterranean Sea. No wonder the fish will shake.

Eze 38:18-20 describes that asteroid impact. It says, "it shall come to pass AT THE SAME TIME when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely IN THAT DAY there shall be A GREAT SHAKING in the land of Israel; So that the FISHES OF THE SEA (the Mediterranean, there are no fish in the Dead Sea), and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and ALL THE MEN THAT ARE UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, SHALL SHAKE at my presence (paniym, face, i.e., they will see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky, Christ sitting on his throne), and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and EVERY WALL SHALL FALL to the ground."

Rev 16:17-21 says, "And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air (i.e., it is at the end of the Tribulation); and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was A GREAT EARTHQUAKE, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into three parts, and THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS FELL: and great BABYLON came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of HIS WRATH. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent (133 pounds): and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great."

Rev 8:8-11 ties in with the fish shaking. It says, "And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire (i.e., a piece of Satan's asteroid Wormwood) was cast into the sea (the Mediterranean): and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star (aster) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood (meaning bitter): and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter." The "aster" will obliterate Babylon, Iraq.

Rev 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (an asteroid, after his planet Rahab was broken into pieces)? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country (Iraq, not tiny Israel): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

The verse I saw a rectangle of light on was Jer. 50:2. It says, "Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not: say, Babylon is taken, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces." I was amazed, for I had been typing about the three Babylons that day.

These things happen on the Day of God's Wrath, Jesus' Long Day, of which Joshua's Long Day was a type. The asteroid impacts temporarily turn the world upside down.

Isa 24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof."

I'm sure glad we won't be here that day. Isa 9:14,15 says, "Therefore the LORD will cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush, in ONE DAY. The ancient and honourable (probably the Pope), he is the head (6th head of the great red dragon, no wonder he wears red); and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail." The False Prophet is both the 7th head and the tail of the great red dragon, because he is Satan possessed.

> > Other clues indicate the 2nd Coming will likely happen on Rosh Hashanna, also known as the Feast of Trumpets and the Jewish New Year. Because it takes place at the time of the new moon rather than on a full moon, it’s often difficult to determine the exact time of its arrival. For this reason it was sometimes referred to in the past as the feast where no man knows the day or hour. Jesus used a form of this phrase 4 times in the span of 23 verses while referring to the time of the 2nd Coming (Matt. 24:42, 44, 50, Matt 25:13).

What clues point to the Second Advent on Tishri 1? One reason I think the Gog and Magog war will be on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets, is in Joel 2:1-3.

It says, "Blow ye the TRUMPET in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for THE DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them."

Because of the seven months between the Gog and Magog War on Tishri 1 and the Second Advent, I think the Second Advent will be on Nisan 1, the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee Year in a leap year. 5776 is a leap year with the 13th month. Everything fits.

I expect the Second Advent on Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016. The Jubilee Year should run from Nisan 1, 5776 to Nisan 1, 5777 (1st of Nisan, 5777 = Tue, 28 March 2017).

The Balfour Declaration was in 1917.
1917 + 49 = 1966, so 1967 would be a leap year.
1966 + 49 = 2015, so 2016 would be a leap year.
A leap year is announced on the Day of Atonement and starts on the following Nisan 1, the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee years. That would be a good time for the return of Christ. He would officially take office on the same day the other Hebrew kings officially took office. Their reign was counted from that day even if they actually took office several months before that.

I think Jesus will receive his millennial kingdom on Tishri 1, and rule from Heaven until his official inauguration on Earth 7 months later. Like Solomon, he will purge his kingdom at the beginning.

April 9, 2015 is on Saturday. That is an appropriate time for Jesus said that he was Lord of the sabbath. Mt 12:8 says, "the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day."

> > Computer projections tell us that in 2018 Rosh Hashanna will occur on Sept. 9-10. But it takes a confirmed visual sighting to make it official and Mt. 24:29 says the moon will not give its light following the end of the Great Tribulation, so no one will know the day or hour of His return until they see Him coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. (Mt. 24:30)

He will come in glory 7 months after the dark day. Eze 39:12,13 says, "And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD." Agape

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