Pro and Con 1576

Posted 11-3-2010

FIVE SMART DOLPHINS TEACHING THEMSELVES TO WALK ON WATER

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/8080889/Dolphins-walk-on-water.html

SIGNS

Colombia: 'Giant fireball' was a Meteorite - 9-5-2010

http://www.jesusourblessedhope.socialgo.com/forum/topic/347 Meteorite hits Colombia Causes 328 ft Crater
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Grimsvotn Volcano, Iceland
http://www.volcanolive.com/volcanolive.html

Nov. 1, 2010 - A possible eruption has begun at Grimsvotn volcano, Iceland. A flood has started in Gigja in south-east Iceland....Grimsvotn is the most active volcano in Iceland.
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http://itn.co.uk/47c392486925e4ad29fe887f37b997fd.html

Sat, Oct 30, 2010 - Indonesia's Anak Krakatau volcano in Sunda Strait, straddling East Java and Sumatra, has spewed ash and flaming rocks.

Officials raised alert levels to 'high' on Friday as the volcano showed signs of increased activity, producing 117 small eruptions....

Anak Krakatau means 'Child of Krakatau', named so because it rose in the place of Krakatoa volcano after it blew itself apart in one of the most destructive eruptions in history in 1883....

The eruptions (Oct. 30, 2010) came only a day after a tsunami struck the remote islands in western Indonesia....
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http://www.jesusourblessedhope.socialgo.com/forum/top/4 Australia Ring of Fire Ocean Floor Up 328 feet in 24 Days ---
Bright Close Approach (of an asteroid approaching Earth in Pegasus): 2003 UV11 WAS OCT. 29 AND 30 http://remanzacco.blogspot.com/2010/10/bright-close-approach-2003-uv11.html

The asteroid designated 2003 UV11...has an estimated diameter of roughly 400-500 meters, so it is a relatively large near-Earth asteroid. 2003 UV11 will have a close approach with Earth on 2010 October 30...(~5 lunar distances).
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http://www.pagef30.com/2010/11/2003-uv11-as-it-flew-by-earth-next-up.html

Nov. 1, 2010 - Next up is an asteroid that seems to be a recent discovery called 2010 UJ7 that will be once again flying in between us and the Moon - 0.7 LD, or about 270 000 km. It's smaller at some 30 metres in diameter, and will be moving by at 9.2 km per second. Closest approach is tomorrow. ---
Indonesian volcano unleashes new powerful eruption
http://gulfnews.com/news/world/other-world/indonesian-volcano-unleashes-new-powerful-eruption-1.704831

Mount Merapi (which means Mountain of Fire): Indonesia's deadly volcano unleashed another powerful eruption on Monday, spewing searing clouds of gas and ash thousands of feet into the air to the sound of a booming explosion....
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Pictures of the volcano
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1325338/Images-fleeing-villagers-Indonesian-volcano-Mount-Merapi-erupts-again.html

The tsunami death toll climbed to 450 on Monday with the discovery of dozens more bodies...

The fault that ruptured on Monday, running the length of the west coast of Sumatra island, also caused the 9.1-magnitude quake that unleashed a monster tsunami around the Indian Ocean in 2004, killing 230,000 people in a dozen countries.
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http://www.thunderbolts.info/thunderblogs/thornhill.htm
NASA's EPOXI mission will fly by comet Hartley 2 on Nov. 4, 2010.

MY THOUGHTS CONCERNING THE TIME OF THE RAPTURE

Since Cheshvan 17, Oct. 25, 2010, was not the date of the Rapture, maybe the end of the 40 days of rain portrayed it. That will be Fri., Dec. 3, 2010, the second day of Hanukkah, Kislev 26, 5771. Hanukkah was the re-dedication of the Temple, and we are the Temple of the Holy Spirit. The wise virgins must have enough oil to keep their lamps burning. At Hanukkah, oil for 1 day lasted 8 days.

Noah's Ark, as tall as a 3-story house, was very heavy. It would have taken lots of water to float it. It probably took all of the 40 days and nights of rain to get enough water to float the Ark high enough to come to rest on Mt. Sulieman (Solomon) in Iran. Where the remains are found today is over 15,000 ft. high. That is about 2000 feet lower than where the Ark originally landed. An earthquake caused the remnants of the Ark to fall about 2000 ft.

Noah came out of the Ark on Cheshvan 27 the next year. Thu, Nov. 4, 2010 will be Cheshvan, 27, 5771.

WHEN WILL DAMASCUS CEASE BEING A CITY?

Re: Prophesied destruction of Damascus Imminent?
http://home.flash.net/~evt/Damascus.htm

> > Israel destroys Damascus in a sudden attack, probably with one or more nuclear weapons, to avoid being attacked again.

I think Damascus will be destroyed by the mountain-sized asteroid of Rev. 8:8 on the Day of God's Wrath. I believe the asteroid will impact the Mediterranean Sea. Besides the initial blast, a huge tsunami will overflow the land.

Isa 28:15 says, "Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the OVERFLOWING SCOURGE shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves".

Eze 38:18-20 says, "And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of my WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the FISHES OF THE SEA, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake (WORLDWIDE EARTHQUAKE) at my presence (lit. face, when they see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky), and the mountains (asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and EVERY WALL SHALL FALL to the ground."

Rev 16:17-19 says, "And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great EARTHQUAKE, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an EARTHQUAKE, and so great. And the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into three parts, and THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS FELL: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of HIS WRATH."

All cities will be in shambles. Damascus won't be rebuilt.

Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (the asteroid Wormwood, Rev. 8:11)? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently turn and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down." Agape

My reply to incoming email, Re: WHICH 'ONE' OF THESE 'TWO EVENTS IN HEAVEN' COMES FIRST ? REV 12:10 or REV 19:6-7

> > Is Satan is 'cast out of Heaven' BEFORE (or) AFTER the 'Wedding of the Lamb'?

As I understand it, Satan will be cast down to Earth Mid-Trib BEFORE the Wedding of the Lamb, which is at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation.

Satan will enter into the False Prophet Mid-Trib.

Rev 12:13,14 says, "And when the dragon (Satan) saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman (Israel) which brought forth the man child (Christ). And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place (Petra), where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (3.5 years, the last half of the 7-year Tribulation), from the face of the serpent" (Satan).

Revelation 19:6-7 (The Wedding of the Lamb) "And I heard , as it were, the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty THUNDERINGS, saying, Alleluia! FOR THE LORD GOD OMNIPOTENT REIGNS! Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, FOR THE MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB HAS COME, and his wife has made herself ready."

Rev 11:15-19 tells us about the first day of Jesus' reign. We will be there to receive our rewards. It says, "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall REIGN for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art (ON THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD), and wast (AT THE FIRST ADVENT), and art to come (AT THE SECOND ADVENT, WHICH IS 7 MONTHS FUTURE, Eze 39:12,13); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast REIGNED. And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged (AT THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST), and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament (IT HAD THE TWO STONE TABLETS IN IT): and there were lightnings, and voices, and THUNDERINGS, and an earthquake (WHEN TWO STONES, ASTEROIDS, HIT EARTH), and great hail."

I think the Marriage of the Lamb in Heaven will be on the same day as the Judgment Seat of Christ, the first day of his 1000-year kingdom rule. It is also the Day of the Lord and the Day of God's Wrath on Earth. Agape

SECRET NEGOTIATIONS: PALESTINIAN STATE IN RETURN FOR ISRAELI LAND LEASE?

By Ali El-Saleh, Nazir Majalli and Mohamed Ali Saleh
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=3&id=22847

29/10/2010 - Asharq Al-Awsat has learnt from informed sources that secret talks have been talking place between the US and Israel on the formation of a Palestinian state. Washington and Tel Aviv have discussed a Palestinian state being established in return for Israel leasing land from the Palestinian Authority; this includes land in occupied eastern Jerusalem and the Jordan Valley. The sources informed Asharq Al-Awsat that this land-lease deal would last for a period of time between 40 and 99 years....

POSTED ON RITA (RAPTURE IN THE AIR)

Mike Curtiss (30 Oct 2010)(5 Doves)
http://pub48.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=4086901292&frmid=13&msgid=1033606&cmd=show
"Vicki Your BHO Quote Spot-On"

You must have gotten Hussein's vibe too! I'm amazed by how many people don't realize that Hussein's the 'Beast' He's also ready to declare to the Moslem's that he's the 'Mahdi' Who knows, maybe he will also lay claim to the title's of Apollo and Hunanam. When he reaches India he will step into the role of World Dictator. I'm pretty sure that between nuclear terrorism and the Rapture, things will be so chaotic that nobody will resist him.

Did you know that the whole 'inner core' of the Hussein's Regime's going along. More than 1500 people. The Clinton's are also leaving the US at the same time.

Posted by Victory Chanter Oct 30, 2010:

O. has reserved the entire 5 star Taj...Hotel of 576 rooms plus another 300 rooms at another hotel! The source is one of reporting what he has heard so that could be changed along the way, but with this report of numbers in the entourage it must be close.

Also quoted was internet speculation he is not coming back; no personal knowledge mentioned--just this speculation.

So we have about 800+ rooms, with all of the Taj...Hotel reserved. He is taking 40 airplanes plus Air Force One--in this plane count were mentioned "jumbo jets". 45 vehicles, including the "Beast", the Obamabile. I believe 2-3 subs off the coast of India. From there, moving on to Indonesia. (The Beast keeps him connected to the military where he can send nuclear strike orders from...) The daughters and Clintons going, too. Imagine the cost of all this! So how are our citizens doing without jobs and living on food stamps? How is this expense justified? And when have you ever heard of an entourage like this leaving the country all at the same time? Inquiring minds are putting two and two together.

Am I the only one who thinks this sounds like an evacuation? All the principal players off the continent? Very worrisome. Thank God we know Our Refuge of Safety.

Incoming e-mail, Re: "OBAMA LEAVES ON NOV. 5 ON A 10-DAY TRIP TO INDIA, INDONESIA, SOUTH KOREA AND JAPAN."

http://www.watch.org/

FUNDAMENTALLY FREUND: WHAT BIBLE IS THE VATICAN READING?

http://www.jpost.com/LandedPages/PrintArticle.aspx?id=193019
By MICHAEL FREUND, 27/10/2010

Bishops in Rome tossed theological equivalent of hand grenade, threatening to blow up decades of efforts to improve Catholic-Jewish relations....

In a press conference at the Vatican, Monsignor Cyril Salim Bustros, a Greek Melkite archbishop from Boston and president of the Church’s Commission for the Message, launched a blistering attack against the very foundation of Jewish belief.

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Vatican synod calls for end to Israel’s ‘occupation’
The pope must speak up

“The Holy Scriptures,” Bustros declared, “cannot be used to justify the return of Jews to Israel and the displacement of the Palestinians, to justify the occupation by Israel of Palestinian lands.”

Not stopping there, he went on to state that “we Christians cannot speak of the ‘promised land’ as an exclusive right for a privileged Jewish people... There is no longer a chosen people.”

And so, in one fell swoop, a senior Church official sought to deny the unique, covenantal relationship between God and the Jews, rejecting the divine promise to restore the people of Israel to their Land....

My Christian friends tell me that the words “Palestine” and “Palestinians” do not even appear in the New Testament. So the learned bishops could not have come up with the idea of the “occupation of Palestine” while attending Sunday school.

Furthermore, by Bustros’s own definition, the founder of Christianity would also have to be considered an “occupier” and a “settler,” for according to Christian belief, Jesus the Jew was born and raised in Bethlehem.

That is the very same Bethlehem that Bustros would now like to see become part of a Palestinian state.

No matter how one looks at it, the synod’s unbridled insult to Israel and the Jewish people cannot be allowed to stand....It is incumbent upon Pope Benedict to transform this turn of events into a profound opportunity to atone for what the Church has done to the Jewish people through the centuries.

OUTREACH FOR INDONESIA TRIP

US and Indonesia to announce new partnership on trip

By Patricia Zengerle, 28 Oct 2010
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/article/2010/10/28/id/375231

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama will visit Indonesia's largest mosque and make a major outdoor speech directed at the global MUSLIM community when he visits Indonesia...

Obama leaves on Nov. 5 on a 10-day trip to India, Indonesia, South Korea and Japan. On Nov. 10 in Jakarta, Obama will visit the Istiqlal Mosque, and then make his speech from another, outdoor location, where there could be a large crowd.

"He'll have a chance to talk about the partnership that we're building with Indonesia, but also to talk about some of the themes of democracy and development and our outreach to Muslim communities around the world," deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes told a news conference.

ONE WORLD RELIGION: EU WANTS THE POPE AS HEAD OF NEW WORLD “PEACE MOVEMENT”

http://jesusourblessedhope.socialgo.com/forum/topic/419/page/1#966

Oct 23 2010...The EU Parliament has also made it a traditions to arrange for an annual meeting with all top religious leaders in Europe. This event is also inspired by the Bishop of Rome, and his ecumenical effort of bringing together people of all faiths into a global peace movement....

President Barroso looks for a Global leader that can unite all religions and make "World peace".

THE VATICAN IS BECOMING MORE INVOLVED

http://www.watch.org/

Israel cannot use the Biblical concept of a promised land or a chosen people to justify new "settlements" in Jerusalem or territorial claims, a Vatican synod on the Middle East said on Saturday.
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Pope: Mideast peace is possible, urgently needed

THE FACE ON THE SUN, sent by Ron Reese

Incoming e-mail from Ron Reese, Re: CROWN OF THORNS ON IMAGE OF THE FACE OF JESUS ON THE SUN--2ND ATTEMPT

Someone has forwarded an UPRIGHT picture of the crown of thorns on the face of Jesus ON THE SUN. It is attached to this email (see above). It is VERY obvious to those who want to see it. Before, some of you could not see it, because it was in a horizontal postion. I was able to see it at first glance, from a horizontal position. Some can see the face of a man, but refuse to believe it is Jesus. Please consider the following:

1. In Luke 21:11, Jesus says, "and GREAT SIGNS SHALL THERE BE FROM HEAVEN."

2. In Luke 21:25, Jesus says, "THERE SHALL BE SIGNS IN THE SUN." Those are the words of Jesus, not my words. How much clearer can Jesus make it? It is worth repeating. THERE SHALL BE SIGNS IN THE SUN. Do you believe Him?

3. The crown of thorns, which the world is calling a "ring", is very obvious. The two eyes are obvious. The outline of the nose is obvious. A man's face is obvious. My wife says the face looks like the Shroud of Turin. I agree with her assessment. Most Christians have accepted the Shroud of Turin as the image of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.

4. The crown of thorns is partially RED. It is also partially a VERY DARK RED. These are BLOOD-STAINS that this man suffered from having this crown of thorns cruelly jammed upon his head. The left eye is obviously badly swollen and closed shut. It is also a very dark red. This man had obviously been beaten about his face very badly. There are pieces of his beard that are visible. But the rest of his beard is missing, like it had been plucked out.

I believe with all of my heart, that our Lord is choosing to fulfill Scripture, by revealing IN THE SUN, what HIS SON had to go through for you and me, on the cross. Now look at the picture OF THE SUN once again. Do you now see the image OF THE SON? JESUS IS THERE!!! Look again. Keep looking. O, ye of little faith. JESUS IS THERE!!! To those of you who believe that Jesus is about to Return for us, this should be a miraculous, glorious, amazing sign, and confirmation to you.

My Jesus is a miracle-working God. My Jesus is glorious. My Jesus said there would be Great Signs from Heaven. My Jesus said there would be SIGNS IN THE SUN!!! My Jesus is truly amazing!!! How about your Jesus? MARANATHA!

MY REPLY

Thanks. The first I heard that a ring was developing was Oct. 16. I hadn't seen the face till now. To me, this picture of the Sun looks much like a copper penny with a face on it. That face even has a halo. The face is so unnatural for the Sun, I take it as a sign, and next Monday will be Cheshvan 17. I hope it will be the day of the Rapture. Agape

HIS REPLY

Re: Crown of thorns on image of the face of JESUS ON THE SUN--2nd attempt

Thanks, Marilyn. I take it as a dramatic sign also. I am looking at Oct. 25th through Oct. 27th. The calendar date for Chesvan 17 is Oct. 25th. However, the calendar date for Feast of Trumpets this year was Sept. 9th. Most watchers now accept Sept. 11th as the Biblical date of Feast of Trumpets, because of the first moon sighting in Israel. I personally see more pointing to Oct. 26--27th, than I do the 25th. One thing is that 33.33 is a very Satanic number that the New World Order elite may use for their Sudden Destruction event. From 9--11--01 to 10--27--10 is 3333 days. 3333 days from 9--11--01 to 10--26--10, inclusive. Also the 26th and 27th are Tues. and Wed., the days that the bridegroom comes for the bride, and the day of the Wedding, in Jewish tradition. So, do not give up if nothing happens on Mon., Oct. 25th, as the Biblical Chesvan 17 could actually turn out to be Oct. 26th or Oct. 27th. JESUS IS COMING SOON!!! Maranatha! Ron

MY REPLY

...I called the ring in the picture of the Sun a halo, because it goes down too far to be a crown of thorns. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: IMPORTANT 17 CHESHVAN /25TH OCTOBER

Hello I have just come across your post on the possible rapture date from the 23 July this is amazing!

My family are born again Christians we have been celebrating the feasts of the Lord for the past 2 years he lead us to them

This year we did not follow the jews in celebrating passover in march as they started on the new moon in WINTER before the equinox we waited until after the equinox to search with our naked eye not by nasa to see the moon so we celebrated our passover a month later in April 2010

this has continued all the feasts of the year so our feast of tabernacles which is on the full moon this year starts on the evening of the 24th of October which is in fact the 25th from even to even! yet on eveyone elses calendar it shall be the 17th of cheshvan the days the rain started in Noah!

How fantastic is our Lord

I had to share this with you please pass it on to your readers and may God bless you and our family of true believers in Christ Amen

MY REPLY

> > our feast of tabernacles which is on the full moon this year starts on the evening of the 24th of October which is in fact the 25th from even to even! yet on eveyone elses calendar it shall be the 17th of cheshvan the days the rain started in Noah!

Wow. Thanks for letting me know. Let's see, according to the Hebrew Calendar, Nisan 1, 5770 was March 16, 2010.

I studied the Hebrew Calendar several years ago, and if I remember right, the main thing that determines whether an Adar II is added is that there has to be Abib barley at Firstfruits. However, there can be some variation, as you know and will see in the following.

In Michael Rood's version, Tishri 1 was Sept. 11 instead of Sept. 9, as the official calendar says. Nehemiah Gordon could not see the crescent Moon on Sept. 9, but he saw it on the evening of Sept. 10, so the next day was Tishri 1. Those agree.

The Hebrew Calendar is pretty accurate the way it stands. Below is what Calendar Converter says about it.

"The Hebrew (or Jewish) calendar attempts to simultaneously maintain alignment between the months and the seasons and synchronise months with the Moon—it is thus deemed a “luni-solar calendar”. In addition, there are constraints on which days of the week on which a year can begin and to shift otherwise required extra days to prior years to keep the length of the year within the prescribed bounds. This isn't easy, and the computations required are correspondingly intricate.

"Years are classified as common (normal) or embolismic (leap) years which occur in a 19 year cycle in years 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17, and 19. In an embolismic (leap) year, an extra month of 29 days, “Veadar” or “Adar II”, is added to the end of the year after the month “Adar”, which is designated “Adar I” in such years. Further, years may be deficient, regular, or complete, having respectively 353, 354, or 355 days in a common year and 383, 384, or 385 days in embolismic years. Days are defined as beginning at sunset, and the calendar begins at sunset the night before Monday, October 7, 3761 B.C.E. in the Julian calendar, or Julian day 347995.5. Days are numbered with Sunday as day 1, through Saturday: day 7.

"The average length of a month is 29.530594 days, extremely close to the mean synodic month (time from new Moon to next new Moon) of 29.530588 days. Such is the accuracy that more than 13,800 years elapse before a single day discrepancy between the calendar's average reckoning of the start of months and the mean time of the new Moon. Alignment with the solar year is better than the Julian calendar, but inferior to the Gregorian. The average length of a year is 365.2468 days compared to the actual solar tropical year (time from equinox to equinox) of 365.24219 days, so the calendar accumulates one day of error with respect to the solar year every 216 years."
(http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/calendar/)

The Calendar Converter has Cheshvan 17, 5771 on Oct. 25, Monday.

The Kairite calendar has Cheshvan 17 on Sunday
(http://www.karaite.org/page4.html).

Below is a quote from the Stewarton Bible School in Scotland. The year being discussed is 2000.
(http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/sbs777/saccal/abiberly.html)

"Isn't Abib, a Month Early?"
"1. INTRODUCTION
This year (2000) Stewarton Bible School (SBS) will begin the month of Abib on 8th March; it being the new moon nearest the spring equinox of 20/21st March. Many Feast-day keepers will be asking SBS the question: 'Isn't that a month early?' Let me answer this question.

"2. DIVINE DIRECTIONS
In ancient times, Abib's new moon was not decided upon by its proximity to the spring equinox. Instead:

"Jehovah either told Israel which new moon would begin the year, as in Exodus 12: 2 He said to Moses:
"This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you."

"Or, the Almighty allowed the Sanhedrin, the supreme court in Israel, to make the decision and tell the nation.

"3. THE SANHEDRIN
The Spring Feasts
When direct instruction from Jehovah ceased, the Sanhedrin would, with the Passover in mind, select Abib's new moon after considering various natural conditions, such as:

"The maturity of the barley harvest so that a sheaf would be available for waving at Passover.
The availability and age of the Passover lambs.
The conditions of the camping sites and roads that would be used by the expected Passover pilgrims etc.
No reference was made to the equinoxes at these times. There was no need; because Israel was in the Promised land and the above listed natural signs were there for all to see. All that was needed was for the Sanhedrin to make a decision and the nation would follow."

After saying that, SBS also said, "Stewarton Bible School (SBS) is currently using the old guideline of starting the year with the new moon nearest the spring equinox." I didn't expect that after reading what went before it.

I hope this is helpful. As for the Rapture, I think it should be Cheshvan 17, the day the Lord closed the door of Noah's Ark (Gen. 7:11). That date will be Monday, Oct 25 on our Gregorian Calendar. Because of the variation in these sources, the actual day could vary by a couple of days or a month. We will soon know how the Lord figures it.

However, keep in mind that someone dreamed that when he asked the Lord when the Rapture would be, the Lord said, "Your birthday is in two days isn't it?" His birthday was October 27. Cheshvan 17 doesn't fall on Oct. 25 in the years from 1998 to 2020, except in 2010. I'm sure hoping for next Monday. Agape

LUNAR IMPACT UNCOVERED MORE THAN JUST MOON WATER

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/21oct_lcross2/

Oct. 21, 2010: Nearly a year after announcing the discovery of water molecules on the moon, scientists have revealed new data uncovered by NASA's Lunar CRater Observation and Sensing Satellite, or LCROSS, and Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, or LRO—and it's more than just water.

...The missions found evidence that lunar soil within shadowy craters is rich in useful materials. Moreover, the moon appears to be chemically active and has a full-fledged water cycle. Scientists also confirmed that 'moon water' was in the form of mostly pure ice crystals in some places.

MY REPLY TO A POST ON THE FIVE DOVES SITE

RE: Bruce Warner: PLEASE READ ( Daniel 9:27) AND (1 Thessalonians 5:3) IN RELATION TO ONE ANOTHER...

> > IS IT NOT REASONABLE: that during the first-half of the covenant "for one seven" people would be "saying peace and safety" until the "middle of the seven" at which time "destruction will come on them suddenly" when unexpecteddly, "he puts an end to sacrifice and offering" in the temple, and then "causes desolation until the end".

To me, the destruction that comes suddenly is the Wrath of God on the great and terrible Day of the Lord. It comes at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation, which I think will be the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015.

At that time, Israel may think peace and safety, but Gog's army will descend on them. They should read their Bibles.

Zec 14:1-3 says, "Behold, the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather ALL NATIONS against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle (on Joshua's Long Day, when he threw stones down from heaven). Joshua 10:11 says, "And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword."

This will be replayed on a greater scale on Jesus' Long Day. The two asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11 will be thrown down. Every wall will fall in the worldwide earthquake (Eze. 38:20, Rev. 16:18,19).

One of these stones will be Wormwood, Satan's home. It will obliterate Babylon in the land of Shinar. The other, a mountain-sized stone, will impact the Mediterranean Sea, killing all but 1/6th of Gog's army.

Isa. 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (i.e., in the asteroid Wormwood)? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently turn and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country (forming the Lake of Fire): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down." Agape

MY REPLY

> > The Church will likely still be right here on earth during the first-half of the '70th Week of Daniel', but the Church will be raptured BEFORE THE WRATH OF GOD BEGINS DURING THE SECOND-HALF OF THE 70th WEEK OF DANIEL' CALLED "GREAT TRIBULATION" IN Matthew 24.

Here is the way I see it. God's Wrath is a one-day strike, not the last half of the 7-year Tribulation.

The DAY of God's Wrath is one literal day, even though it is Jesus' Long Day, because the Earth will be turned upside down when the 2 asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11 impact Earth. It will right itself, but every wall will fall in the worldwide earthquake. The cities will be in shambles.

The mountain-sized piece of asteroid will hit the Mediterranean Sea leaving only 1/6th of Gog's army alive to flee to Siberia. There will be an overflowing shower, i.e., a tsunami. The aster (star, meteorite or asteroid) will obliterate Babylon in the land of Shinar and open the Lake of Fire.

From the Hebrew, Jesus' name is Joshua, and Joshua's Long Day was a type of Jesus' Long Day.

Isa 24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof."

I think there will be two Raptures before the Wrath of God hits Earth on the LAST DAY of the Tribulation, the DAY of God's Wrath, the Day of the Lord, the first day of Christ's millennial kingdom. Like Solomon, he will purge his kingdom at the outset.

The first Rapture is seen in Rev. 4:1's "Come up hither." The second is seen in Rev. 6:17, 7:9,14 and 14:3-5.

Rev 6:17 says, "For the great DAY of his wrath (i.e., Jesus' Long Day) is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 7:9,14 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands...These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

Zec 14:1-3 says, "Behold, the DAY of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. THEN shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle" (i.e., on Joshua's Long Day).

What did he do on Joshua's Long Day? He threw down rocks and killed more than the Israelites did. That is what he is going to do on the Day of God's Wrath. He will throw down the two asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11 at noon. That will stop Gog's army. Only 1/6th will survive to flee to Siberia. All that happens on one day, the Day of God's Wrath, the 1st day of Christ's 1000-year rule.

The Day of God's Wrath is like no other day -- ever. You can be sure of that from Jer 30:7. It says, "Alas! for that DAY is great, so that NONE IS LIKE IT: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it."

Of that day, Dan 12:1-3 says, "And at that time (when the False Prophet shall be deposed; Dan. 11:45) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever." Agape

RE: TEMPLE MOUNT: "ITS IDENTITY WITH THE SITE OF SOLOMON'S TEMPLE IS BEYOND DISPUTE"

The eyes of Obama are everywhere – even on Temple Mount
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=127940

A guide to the Temple Mount by the Supreme Muslim Council in Jerusalem published in 1925 listed the Mount as Jewish and as the site of Solomon's Temple. The Temple Institute acquired a copy of the official 1925 "Guide Book to Al-Haram Al-Sharif," which states on page 4, "ITS IDENTITY WITH THE SITE OF SOLOMON'S TEMPLE IS BEYOND DISPUTE. This, too, is the spot, according to universal belief, on which 'DAVID BUILT THERE AN ALTAR UNTO THE LORD.'"

OBAMA 'TO TURN ON ISRAEL AFTER MIDTERM ELECTIONS' NETANYAHU PURPORTEDLY 'SHAKING FROM FEAR' OF PRESIDENT'S POLICIES

By Aaron Klein, Oct 31, 2010
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=127940

...The PA and Middle East sources said that Obama is joining a chorus of European Union officials in demanding that Israel evacuate almost the entire West Bank and eastern sections of Jerusalem in a future deal with the Palestinians.

Netanyahu wants to keep what are known as the main settlement blocks – Ariel, Gush Etzion and Maale Adumin, a position mostly supported by the U.S. government. Now there are signs the Obama administration will call for Israel to evacuate the large town of Ariel in any settlement with the Palestinians, the sources told WND....

Some 93.5 percent of Americans believe that the U.S. should be concerned about Israel's security....

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