Pro and Con 1580

Posted 12-1-2010

Solomon's porch, where Jesus walked on the Feast of Dedication (Hanukkah)

SHOULD THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS HAVE BEEN DELAYED BY ONE MONTH THIS YEAR?

By Marilyn Agee

Below is a post on RITA (emphsis mine)
http://pub48.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=4086901292&frmid=13&msgid=1018345&cmd=show

"Feast Of Trumpets Delayed By One Month? Moon And Sun In Virgo On October 8, 2010!! That's Why!!

"I cannot believe my eyes when someone said that the moon and sun were not yet in Virgo on the Feast of Trumpets on September 11, 2010!

"THIS HAS TO BE THE DETERMINING SIGN IN THE HEAVENS FOR THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS EVERY YEAR!!

"The moon is always under the feet of Virgo and the Sun is in the constellation Virgo at the same time for the start of the 7th month on the jewish calendar(Tishri 1)!!

"This September 11, 2010 was not officially the feast of trumpets because the Sun was still in the Leo constellation when the moon was at the feet of Virgo!

"This sign will only be happening for the feast of trumpets on October 8, 2010, when indeed the woman (Virgo) will be clothed with the Sun and the moon will be under her feet!!

"I guess it may be safe to say that the jewish calendar may be off by one full month!!!

However, an astronomer, Bob Wadsworth
(http://www.biblicalastronomy.com/08Oct_files/08Oct.pdf),
said, "The sign of Revelation 12:1 is a sign that occurred when Messiah was born and is also a sign that will occur at the beginning of Jacob’s Trouble and goes along with the figure of speech used for this time in Revelation 12:2.

"This sign now occurs on Tishri 1 whenever Tishri 1 falls in late September to early October and is seen from Jerusalem on Tishri 1 ABOUT EVERY THREE YEARS OR SO." (emphasis mine)

I checked these years for the sign of Rev. 12 on Tishri 1. It looks like the frequency can be 5 years.

5678, Sept 17, 1917, NO
5679, Sept 7, 1918, NO
5680, Sept 25, 1919, NO
5681, Sept 13, 1920, NO
5682, Oct 3, 1921, YES
5683, Sept 23, 1922, YES

5771, Sept 9, 2010, NO
5772, Sept 29,2011, YES
5773, Sept 17, 2012, NO
5774, Sept 5, 2013, NO
5775, Sept 25, 2014, NO
5776, Sept 14, 2015, NO
5777, Oct 3, 2016, YES
5778, Sept 21, 2017, NO

Therefore, the sign in Rev 12 does not happen every year on Tishri 1. The calendar does not have to be off by a month just because this sign did not appear on Sept 9 or 10, 2010.

Some people say that an illegal extra month was added last spring, because the new crescent Moon of Nisan preceded the spring equinox. However, the rule is that it be the New Crescent Moon nearest the equinox that will place Passover after the equinox. Therefore, the extra month was figured right last spring.

I'm hoping for the Rapture on Dec. 2 or 3, Kislev 25 or 26. I see no reason for a month's delay.

Today, Dec. 1, 2010, is Kislev 24. Of this date, Haggai 2:18,19 says, "Consider (take it to heart) now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month (Kislev 24), even from the day that the foundation (Jesus) of the LORD'S temple was laid (i.e., conceived), consider it. Is the seed (Jesus, Gen 3:15) yet in the barn (a saying referring to is a woman pregnant)? yea (YES, Jesus was conceived on Kislev 24), as yet the vine (Jesus), and the fig tree (Israel, Joel 1:6,7), and the pomegranate, and the olive tree (Gentiles that are to be grafted in, Rom 11:17), hath not brought forth (NASA, LIFTED UP, i.e., been raptured): from this day (Kislev 24) will I bless you."

Rom 11:17 says, "And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree."

This sounds like the Rapture will follow Kislev 24. It could happen on Kislev 25, the first day of Hanukkah, the Feast of Dedication, the very time that Jesus walked in Solomon's Porch on the east side of the Temple Mount. The lighting of the lampstand in the re-dedicated Temple on the Feast of Dedication (Hanukkah) ties in with the five wise virgins of Mt. 25 having their lamps lit.

If a one month delay is possible, it could delay the Rapture a month. Nehemiah Gordon couldn't see the New Crescent Moon on Sept. 9, Tishri 1, 5771. He saw it the next night. Therefore, it looks like the Rapture could be one day later, but it doesn't seem to me that it would be a month later. The first or second day of Hanukkah still seems likely.

DOUBLE CHECK

Remembering that the New Crescent Moon was not under Virgo's feet (as in Rev. 12) on Sept. 9 or 10, 5771, I went to YourSky again to make sure. Here are the diagrams for Sept 9 and 10, 2010. The Moon was not under Virgo's feet.

The New Crescent Moon was not under Virgo's feet on Oct. 8, but it was under her feet on October 9, 2010. The Moon and Venus were in conjuction. Mars was nearby. Saturn had just set. Here is that diagram.

Therefore, it does not seem like Hanukkah and therefore the Rapture would be delayed by one month, Hanukkah to Jan 1-8, 2011 Instead of Dec 2-9, 2010. We will know soon.

I even went back to RITA to double check the posts.
http://pub48.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=4086901292&frmid=13&msgid=1018345&cmd=show

These were interesting.

Posted by Martin: "I missed this the first time I read your thread, did you know that on Page 6, Micheal Rood talks about how THE TRUE DATE OF Israel's creation was on the 49th count of the Omer and the next day was Pentacost because AN ADAR BET WAS ADDED WHEN IT WASN'T NECESSARY IN 359 A.D. Thus showing God's timetable and hopeully showing like you said that Oct. 8th is our day! (The thread is Prof E.C "The 70 years, the 62 years, and the 7 years explained thru youtube").

"Therefore, Scott you have touched upon 2 profound items, which are confirmed, Amen!!!"

Reply: "Martin, The calendars will correct themselves from year-to-year at Nisan... the error would not carry through to this present year. Especially since Michael Rood's calendar agrees with the convention this year. He would know this even though his crescent sighting allows for a typical ~ 2 day drift. But not this November 8th, the beginning 9th Hebrew month they agree"

OXYGEN FOUND ON SATURN'S MOON RHEA

Nasa's Cassini probe has scooped oxygen from the thin atmosphere of Rhea – the first time the gas has been detected directly on another world

Nov 25, 2010
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/nov/25/oxygen-saturn-moon-rhea

...Every cubic metre of Rhea's atmosphere contains 50bn oxygen molecules....

A spacecraft has tasted oxygen in the atmosphere of another world for the first time while flying low over Saturn's icy moon, Rhea.

Nasa's Cassini probe scooped oxygen from the thin atmosphere of the planet's moon while passing overhead at an altitude of 97km in March this year....

Astronomers have counted 62 moons orbiting Saturn. At 1500km wide, Rhea is the second largest and is thought to be made almost entirely of ice....

Astronomers have previously used telescopes to detect oxygen in the atmospheres of Jupiter's moons Europa and Ganymede, but similar searches drew a blank on Rhea because the concentration of the gas was so low.

THE REASON THE SPHINX WAS BUILT WAS TO SHOW WHICH CONSTELLATION WAS FIRST IN GOD'S GOSPEL IN THE STARS

"Astronomy 101"
A Voice in the Heavens
Contributions by Robert Wadsworth & Daniel Stockemer
http://www.timetobelieve.com/astronomy1.html

Virgo is the first in logical order of all the twelve signs, and the first chapter in the story of salvation. It is also interesting to note that the ancient sphinx of Egypt helps us unlock which sign is first and which is last. In the ancient temple of Esneh in Egypt, there is a great painting in the ceiling which shows the whole picture of the zodiac with all the constellations. Between the figure of Virgo, the Virgin, and Leo, the Lion, there is carved the figure of the sphinx. The most ancient zodiac begins with Virgo.

...a Virgin shall conceive, and bear a son." Isaiah 7:14

At the beginning of the Gospel presentation lies the Virgin. As Christians, we confess that Jesus Christ was "conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary." The central theme of the whole Bible and of primeval astronomy was the way of salvation through the promised Messiah, the Gospel of the grace of God through his only begotten Son. So it is that this Constellation stands first, representing the virgin who would bring forth the promised One. In all ancient cultures, she is clearly understood to be a Virgin.

Most noteworthy is what the maiden is holding. In her left hand is the spica, which represents the ear of grain, the best seed, which when sown, would bring forth the harvest of salvation. In John 12:21-24 the Lord himself witnessed that he was as the seed, which needed to fall to the ground and die in order to bring forth fruitfulness. In her right hand is a branch, or a sprout of a plant or root. This is another reoccurring theme through out the scriptures.

"In that day the branch of the Lord shall be beautiful and glorious" Isaiah 4:2...

It was in all probability the constellation Coma in which 'the Star of Bethlehem' appeared. There was a traditional prophecy, well-known in the East, carefully preserved and handed down, that a new star would appear in this sign when He whom it foretold should be born....

An equally dramatic grouping of the planets Jupiter, Mars, and Saturn as seen in 6 B.C. occurs only once every 800 years according to Chet Raymo, "365 Starry Nights" p.21 4.

MY REPLY TO AN EMAIL (OMITTED)

Things here are not great, Ed can't get out of bed. His hands hurt so bad he couldn't hold on to the walker if he could stand up. Still, we have a lot to be thankful for. Dave didn't die from combination of ruptured appendix and pneumonia. Ed and I didn't die from pneumonia. Three times I got over swelling in face, tongue and upper lip when I bit my tongue. I sure looked funny. It took 3 days to go down each time, but I'm better now, and could take care of Ed throughout. That's a Godsend, seeing that I'm about 82 now. He is 86. Things could be much worse, and we have the blessed hope of getting out of here soon. Thank you Lord. Agape

INCOMING E-MAIL, RE: HE WILL RAISE US UP 'ON THE THIRD DAY' OF GOD'S JUDGEMENT/WRATH ON EARTH

The 'FIRST day' of God's judgement/wrath on earth was 'the day' Noah entered the arc and the flood came:
Luke 17:27
"...THE DAY that Noah entered the arc the flood came and destroyed them all".

The 'SECOND day' of God's judgement/wrath on earth was 'the day' Lot went out of Sodom and it rained fire and brimstone:
"Luke 17:29
"...THE DAY that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from Heaven and destroyed them all."

Luke 17:30
"Even so will it be in THE DAY when the Son of Man is revealed."

Hosea 6:2
"After two days he will revive us, ON THE THIRD DAY He will raise us uo, That we may live in His sight."

THEREFORE:
The 'THIRD day' of God's judgement/wrath on earth will be 'the day' His Church is raptured to Heaven just before God's judgement/wrath is poured out on the earth.

Revelation 6:17
"For THE GREAT DAY (the third day) of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?"

According to Your Word, Come lord Jesus!

MY REPLY

> > The 'FIRST day' of God's judgement/wrath on earth was 'the day' Noah entered the arc and the flood came
> > The 'SECOND day' of God's judgement/wrath on earth was 'the day' Lot went out of Sodom and it rained fire and brimstone
> > Hosea 6:2
> > "After two days he will revive us, ON THE THIRD DAY He will raise us uo, That we may live in His sight."
> > THEREFORE:
> > The 'THIRD day' of God's judgement/wrath on earth will be 'the day' His Church is raptured to Heaven just before God's judgement/wrath is poured out on the earth.

Wouldn't it be the FOURTH day of God's Wrath? Psa 78:31 says, "The WRATH OF GOD came upon them, and slew the fattest of them, and smote down the chosen men of Israel." That was during the 40 years after they left Egypt.

Then what does Hosea 6:2 mean? -- "in the third day he will raise us up".

Israel is speaking, not the church, and a day can represent a thousand years. 2Peter 3:8 says, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

In Hosea 6:1-3, Israel says, "Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. 2 After two days (2000 years) will he revive us: in the third day (3rd millenium) he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight (that came true in 1948). 3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his (i.e., Christ the LORD's) going forth is prepared as the morning; and HE (Christ) SHALL COME UNTO US AS THE RAIN, as the latter and former rain unto the earth."

The former rain begins on Tishri 1, and the latter rain begins Nisan 1 (Unger's Bible Dictionary, 1st edition, Calendar).

At the First Advent, Jesus came as the former rain, on Tishri 1. He was conceived on Kislev 24 (Haggai 2:18,19) and was born on the Feast of Trumpets. He will return at the Second Advent on Nisan 1.

IT LOOKS LIKE JESUS WILL CATCH US UP ON THE FEAST OF DEDICATION

Haggai 2:18,19 says, "Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month (Kislev 24), even from the day that the foundation (Jesus, I Cor 3:11) of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it. Is the seed (Jesus, Gen 3:15) yet in the barn? (a saying meaning is a woman pregnant) yea (YES, Jesus was conceived on Kislev 24), as yet the vine (Christ), and the fig tree (Israel), and the pomegranate, and the olive tree (Gentiles to be grafted in), hath not brought forth: from this day (i.e., after Kislev 24) will I bless you." That could be Kislev 25, the first day of Hanukkah, the Feast of Dedication, the Festival of Lights.

JESUS WILL PROBABLY COME AS THE RAIN IN NOAH'S DAY, ON THE FEAST OF DEDICATION, AT THE RAPTURE

The First-Trump Rapture may take place on Kislev 25 or 26, Dec. 2 or 3, 2010. The first day of the Feast of Dedication will be Dec. 2. The 40th day of rain in Noah's day will be Kislev 26, Dec. 3. That anniversary would be Kislev 25 in a year that Cheshvan had 29 days instead of 30.

John 10:22-30 says, "And it was at Jerusalem the FEAST OF THE DEDICATION, and it was winter (Gen 8:22). And JESUS WALKED IN THE TEMPLE (we are the temple of the Holy Spirit) in Solomon's porch (at the eastern edge of the court of the Gentiles). Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE (probably on the Feast of Dedication), and I know them, AND THEY FOLLOW ME (at the Rapture): AND I GIVE UNTO THEM ETERNAL LIFE (at the Rapture); AND THEY SHALL NEVER PERISH, neither shall any man pluck (HARPAZO, RAPTURE) them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck (HARPAZO, RAPTURE) them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one."

The wise virgins will hear Jesus' voice at the harpazo, the First-Trump Rapture. I Thess 4:16-18 says, "For THE LORD HIMSELF SHALL DESCEND FROM HEAVEN WITH A SHOUT, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up (HARPAZO, RAPTURED) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

At the time of the First-Trump Rapture, the resurrected dead will become incorruptible. 1Co 15:42 says, "So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption". It's possible that the raptured ones will also become incorruptible at that time.

At the Last-Trump Rapture, we will all be changed, actually become immortal.

1 Cor 15:51,52 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall ALL be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and WE SHALL BE CHANGED."

The Last-Trump Rapture will take place after the DAY OF GOD'S WRATH HAS BEGUN (probably Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015) (Rev. 6:17; 7:14).

THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH WILL BE ONE LITERAL DAY

Jer 30:7 says, "Alas! for that day is great, so that NONE IS LIKE IT: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it."

Dan 12:1,2 says, "And at that time (when the False Prophet will be deposed) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

JESUS' LONG DAY

Rev 6:17 says, "For THE GREAT DAY (Jesus' Long Day, of which Joshua's Long Day was a type) OF HIS WRATH is come; and who shall be able to stand?" (probably no one, because in the worldwide earthquake caused by the asteroid impacts (Rev. 8:8-11), every wall shall fall (Eze. 38:18-20). The cities will be in shambles.

Rev. 7:14 says, "These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

Rev 16:18,19 says, "And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a GREAT EARTHQUAKE, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon (Iraq) came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath."

THE LORD CAST DOWN STONES ON JOSHUA'S LONG DAY

Jos 10:11 says, "And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that THE LORD CAST DOWN GREAT STONES FROM HEAVEN upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword."

THE LORD WILL CAST DOWN STONES ON JESUS' LONG DAY

Rev 8:8-11 says, "And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire (i.e., an asteroid) was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star (aster, star, meteorite or asteroid) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood". It is Satan's home.

Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (a piece of his planet Rehab that split apart forming our Asteroid Belt)? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently turn and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country: there shalt thou die (in the Lake of Fire at Babylon), and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

Rev 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

Rev 19:20 says, "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

Isa 24:1 shows why the Day of God's Wrath is a long day. It says, "the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down". It will take some time for the Earth to regain her equilibrium. Agape

POPE: OTHER DENOMINATIONS NOT TRUE CHURCHES

Benedict issues statement asserting that Jesus established ‘only one church’
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19692094/ns/world_news-europe

Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches....

On Saturday, Benedict revisited another key aspect of Vatican II by reviving the old Latin Mass....
It restates key sections of a 2000 document the pope wrote when he was prefect of the congregation, “Dominus Iesus,” which set off a firestorm of criticism among Protestant and other Christian denominations because it said they were not true churches but merely ecclesial communities and therefore did not have the “means of salvation.”...

“Christ ‘established here on earth’ only one church,” the document said. The other communities “cannot be called ‘churches’ in the proper sense” because they do not have apostolic succession — the ability to trace their bishops back to Christ’s original apostles.

POPE FINDS HINDUISM'S SENSE OF THE SACRED SIMILAR TO CATHOLICISM

http://www.merinews.com/article/pope-finds-hinduisms-sense-of-the-sacred-similar-to-catholicism/15835047.shtml

Pope finds Hinduism's sense of the sacred similar to Catholicism

Prominent Hindu statesman Rajan Zed welcomed Pope's overtures on interreligious dialogue and suggested him to invite world Hindu leaders to Vatican City and enter into a comprehensive dialogue as he had done with few other religions in the past....

Pope should visit a Hindu temple in the near future to promote mutual understanding and respect between the faiths.

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