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IN CASE YOU MISSED IT, THE EPIC BLAST: On Dec. 6th, a magnetic filament stretching more than 700,000 km around the sun's southeastern limb erupted, producing a blast of epic proportions. Earth was not in the line of fire. Click to view a must-see movie from NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory.
IN GOONER'S DREAM OF HEAVEN, THE SKY WAS GOLDEN, LIKE SATURN'S CLOUDS
Gooner's original dream of going to heaven (scroll down to find it)
..."i felt alive again, so overwhelming, NOTHING ON EARTH COMPARE IT WAS SO GOOD SO AMAZING, i cannot describe this feeling of joy and fulfillness with words. while this, i remember lush green pastures, wide huge fields, super bright sky yet it was golden in color but clear..."
December 2010 lunar eclipse
A total lunar eclipse will take place on December 20/21, 2010. It will be visible after midnight Eastern Standard Time on December 21 in North and South America.
Incoming e-mail, Re: 'THE HOUR OF TEMPTATION' WHICH IS 'THE HOUR OF TRIAL' IS A WORLD-WIDE EVENT, FOR SURE
Revelation 3:10 (KJV)
"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep you from THE HOUR OF TEMPTATION, which shall come upon THE WHOLE WORLD, to try them that dwell upon the earth."
Revelation 3:10 (NIV)
"Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from THE HOUR OF TRIAL that is going to come upon THE WHOLE WORLD to test those who live on the earth."
In this Scripture "the hour of temptation" or "the hour of trial" refer to the 'THE TIME OF GOD'S WRATH' being poured out over 'the whole world' to test those who were NOT previously raptured. The rapture will occur BEFORE 'the hour of temptation' or 'the hour of trial' begins.
I believe that Scripture tells us that 'the great tribulation'- ie. Jacob's trouble - is a separate 'localized' event that deals ONLY with Israel, and that it occurs at the mid-point of the '70th Week' (Matt 24) BEFORE the 'time of God's wrath' begins.
The Israelites who survive 'the great tribulation' enter the last-half of the '70th Week', and into the fire of God's wrath during 'the hour of temptation' or 'the hour of trial' along with the 'left-behind'.
I believe 'The Church' will NOT experience 'the great tribulation' or 'the wrath of God'. According to your Word, Come Lord Jesus!
> > I believe 'The Church' will NOT experience 'the great tribulation' or 'the wrath of God'.
I agree. The wise virgins will be raptured before the shortened Great Ttribulation, which is the last half of the 7-year Tribulation, starts.
The time of temptation seems to be the temptation to take the Mark of the Beast to be able to buy and sell. Most people that know their Bible will not take the Mark of the Beast. They will know what the following scriptures say.
The temptation. Rev 13:17 says, "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."
The result of taking the mark. Rev 14:11 says, "And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."
The victorious. Rev 15:2 says, "And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God."
Another result of taking the mark. Rev 16:2 says, "And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image."
When a foreign body is implanted in our bodies, there is a danger that a tumor will grow there. A doctor I know found this out personally. He had that happen. So did my brother. Both had a morphine pump put in their backs to alleviate severe pain. They then had a tumor grow where the morpnine was dispensed. After that, they had more pain then they had in the first place. Dogs that have had RFID tags implanted have grown tumors too.
See "CHIPPED PETS DEVELOP FAST-GROWING, LETHAL TUMORS"
The fate of the deceivers. Rev 19:20 says, "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."
The reward of not taking the mark. Rev 20:4 says, "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."
> > The rapture will occur BEFORE 'the hour of temptation' or 'the hour of trial' begins.
I agree, and that means before Mid-Trib, when the False Prophet comes to full power. At Mid-Trib, he will sit in the Temple pretending to be God and will require people to accept the Mark of the Beast. Agape
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Ezekiel 38:18-21 (Gog-Magog War)
"And it will come to pass AT THE SAME TIME WHEN GOG COMES AGAINST THE LAND OF ISRAEL, says the Lord God, that MY FURY WILL SHOW IN MY FACE. For in My jealousy and in the FIRE OF MY WRATH I have spoken: surely IN THAT DAY THERE WILL BE 'A GREAT EARTHQUAKE IN THE LAND OF ISRAEL, ...............,and 'ALL MEN' WHO ARE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH SHALL SHAKE AT MY PRESENCE. 'THE MOUNTAINS SHALL BE THROWN DOWN', the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fal to the ground."
Revelation 6:12 (Sixth Seal)
"I watched as He opened the Sixth Seal. THERE WAS 'A GREAT EARTHQUAKE'.
"The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and EVERY MOUNTAIN and island WAS REMOVED FROM ITS PLACE. Then THE KINGS OF THE EARTH, THE PRINCES, THE GENERALS, THE RICH, THE MIGHTY, AND EVERY SLAVE, AND EVERY FREE MAN hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. Fall on us and hide us from THE FACE OF HIM who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb! For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH HAS COME, and who can stand ?"
The Church will be 'raptured' when 'the sky recedes like a scroll rolling up' to set before us an 'open door' to Heaven. Then the plight of the left-behind is described. Just as in the day of Noah and Lot, deliverance immediately procedes judgement on the same day.
".....See, I have placed before you an OPEN DOOR that no one can shut."
According to Your Word, come Lord Jesus!
> > THE EVENTS OF 'EZEKIEL 38:18-21' SOUND LIKE THE EVENTS OF THE 'SIXTH SEAL'
Now, you're cookin'. The earthquake of Ezekiel 38 is the sixth seal's worldwide earthquake that causes every wall to fall. All cities worldwide will be in shambles. It has to be the Day of God's Wrath. The reason the fish shake is because the mountain-sized piece, probably split off of Satan's asteroid Wormwood at the Roche Limit, 11,000 miles out, will impact the Mediterranean Sea. Gog's army will be beaten by the blast, earthquake and tsunami. The Lord will fight for Israel that day, and his sword is bathed in heaven. Babylon and Damascus will cease to be cities.
It will be Jesus' Long Day, of which Joshua's Long Day was a type. More died from the rocks falling out of the sky than the Israelites killed.
Events of that Day of God's Wrath run quickly from the earthquake at the sixth seal of Rev. 6 through the 7 trumpets and the 7 vials. Rev 16:17-21 says, "And the SEVENTH angel poured out his VIAL into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, IT IS DONE. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great EARTHQUAKE, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into three parts, and THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS FELL: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of HIS WRATH. And EVERY ISLAND FLED AWAY, AND THE MOUNTAINS WERE NOT FOUND. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every STONE about the weight of a talent (at least 100 lbs.): and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great."
Rev 8:8,9 says, "And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed."
By the end of the day, there was more destruction in the Mediterranean Sea. Rev 16:3 says, "And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea."
> > The Church will be 'raptured' when 'the sky recedes like a scroll rolling up' to set before us an 'open door' to Heaven. Then the plight of the left-behind is described. Just as in the day of Noah and Lot, deliverance immediately procedes judgement on the same day.
The Sign of the Son of Man will be seen in the heavens. The smoke will be rolled aside like a scroll, and men will look up and see Christ sitting on his throne. That will be the day he receives his kingdom. Like Solomon, he will purge his kingdom at its beginning, on the Feast of Trumpets.
Israel will announce the coming Jubilee on the Day of Atonement, sleep in hastily constructed booths on Tabernacles, and see the Lord return on the following Nisan 1, the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee year.
For there to be 7 months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1, that year has to be a Leap Year with the 13th month (this is why there are 1290 days mentioned in Dan. 12:11 instead of 1260). 5776 is a Leap Year. The Jubilee can start in 5776, because 5775 is a Sabbatic Year. It divides by 7 equally. That final year can't be put off until 5777 or 5778, because a Sabbatic Year has to predede it. 5775 and 5782 are Sabbatic Years. The Jubilee year would run from Nisan 1, 5776 (Saturday, the Sabbath Day, April 9, 2016), day of the Second Advent, to Nisan 1, 5777 (Tue, March 28, 2017).
THE TRIBULATION AS I SEE IT
Tishri 1, 5776 - 7 year Tribulation = Tishri 1, 5769
Because the Tribulation is shortened (Mt. 24:22), 5769 was the last Pre-Trib year. We had a sign. On Tishri 1, 5769 (Tue 30 Sept 2008), we had a Stock Market crash. The Dow was down 777.68. We had just finished 5768.
1. Tishri 1, 5770, Sat 19 Sept 2009, thru 8 Sept 2010
2. Tishri 1, 5771 (Thu 9 Sept 2010) thru 28 Sept 2011
3. Tishri 1, 5772 (Thu, 29 Sept 2011) thru 16 Sept 2012
3.5. Mid Trib
4. Tishri 1, 5773 (Mon, 17 Sept 2012) thru 4 Sept 2013
5. Tishri 1, 5774 (Thu, 5 Sept 2013) thru 24 Sept 2014
6. Tishri 1, 5775 (Thu, 25 Sept 2014) thru 13 Sept 2015
7. Tishri 1, 5776 (Mon, 14 Sept 2015) thru 2 Oct 2016
That last year is shortened or no flesh would be saved.
There will be a partial Solar eclipse on the Eve of Trumpets, 13 Sept 2015, besides the tetrad of Blood Moon eclipses in 2014 and 2015.
Day of God's Wrath: Tishri 1, 5776 (Mon, 14 Sept 2015)
Second Advent: Nisan 1, 5776 (Sat, 9 April 2016) 1st day of Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee years.
After the Gog and Magog war on Tishri 1, 5776, Christ will not return to Earth for another 7 months. Eze. 39:12,13 says, "And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them (Gog's army), that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (at the Second Advent on Nisan 1), saith the Lord GOD."
The wise virgins are raptured in Rev 4:1. They go through the open door of Rev. 3:8 before Jesus will be given the 7-sealed book. Those church saints will be out of all nations (Rev. 5:9). Their Rapture will be as the days of Noah, and there is no earthquake.
These wise-virgin saints will sing the NEW SONG. Rev. 5:9 says, "And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation". These are in Heaven before the first seal is broken in Rev. 6.
It is the Tribulation saints of Rev. 7:14 that will be caught up on the Day of God's Wrath (Rev. 6:17). The 144,000 Israelites are among them. Their Rapture is as the days of Lot. Satan's asteroid home (Wormwood) will destroy the cities of the world as soon as the Tribulation saints are safely out of harm's way. There will be a worldwide earthquake that day. In Lot's day, an asteroid turned the cities of the plain into ashes and split the Earth from Syria to Lake Nyassa in Africa, forming the Great Rift Valley and punching down the bedrock in the Dead Sea to make it the deepest bedrock on Earth.
Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that GRAVETH AN HABITATION FOR HIMSELF IN A ROCK (the asteroid called Wormwood, a piece of his former planet Rahab)? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently turn and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."
Isa 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (the Son of God, Isa 53:1); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) Rahab (Satan's planet that was between Mars and Jupiter, now our Asteroid Belt), and wounded the dragon (Satan)?"
Of the Day of God's Wrath, Isa 51:6 says, "Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens (the atmosphere) shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished."
Of the Tribulation saints, only the 144,000 Israelites will sing the new song.
Rev 14:1-5 says, "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."
At the first Rapture, saints out of all nations sing the NEW SONG. At the last Rapture, only the Israelites sing the NEW SONG.
At the first Rapture, no asteroid will hit Earth. At the last Rapture, the asteroid Wormwood will split into two pieces. Both pieces will impact Earth. The mountain-sized piece will hit the Mediterranean Sea. The "aster" (star, meteorite, or asteroid) called Wormwood will obliterate Babylon near the Euphrates.
Rev 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all." Agape
Incoming e-mail, Re: DOES THIS SOUND LIKE "THE GREAT TRIBULATION" TO YOU ?
"Alas! For that DAY IS GREAT, so that NONE IS LIKE IT; and it is the TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE, but HE shall be saved out of it."
"Jacob's trouble" is synonymous with: 'Israel's trouble', 'Jacob's tribulation', and 'Israel's tribulation' or 'Israel's great tribulation'. This is yet another Scripture that indicates 'the great tribulation' is an end-time event reserved by God for dealing ONLY with Israel (Jacob), and NOT a 'world-wide event' because the Scripture specifically states "Jacob's trouble". Come Lord Jesus!
> > This is yet another Scripture that indicates 'the great tribulation' is an end-time event reserved by God for dealing ONLY with Israel (Jacob), and NOT a 'world-wide event'
It truly will be the time of Jacob's trouble. Gog's army will be attacking Israel. However, the whole world will feel the worldwide earthquake that causes every wall to fall. All the cities will be shambles in that day. Babylon will be utterly destroyed. Damascus will cease to be a city. Life in the Mediterranean Sea will be snuffed out.
Rev 16:19 shows that the cities of the nations will fall. It says, "And the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into three parts, and THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS FELL: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath." Agape
Incoming e-mail, Re: SO, WHAT IS IT THAT KILLS 2/3 OF ISRAEL DURING THE TIME OF 'JACOB'S TROUBLE' ?
During the time of 'JACOB'S TROUBLE', which is the 'GREAT TRIBULATION' of Israel, the 'Gog-Magog War' is going to be brought against Israel at the 'mid-point of the 70th Week' as punishment by God:
"I WILL TURN YOU AROUND, put hooks in your jaws, and lead you out, with all your army......."
"....In the LATTER YEARS you will come into the land (Israel) of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate; they were brought out of the nations, and now all of them dwell safely."
(People are saying "peace and safety" during the first-half of the '70th Week' and then 'sudden destruction' by Gog, out the land of Magog.)
"you will ascend, coming like a storm, covering the land (of Israel) like a cloud, you and all your troops and many peoples with you.
"to take plunder and to take booty, to stretch out your hand against the waste places that are again inhabited, and against a people gathered from the nations, who have aquired livestock and goods, who dwell in the midst of the land (of Israel)."
"Thus says the Lord God, On that day when my people Israel dwell safely....Then you will come from your place in the far north, you and many peoples with you......., a great company and a mighty army. You will come up against My people Israel like a cloud, to cover the land. It will be in the latter days that I WILL BRING YOU AGAINST MY LAND, so that the nations may know me, when I am hallowed in you, O Gog , before their eyes."
Then God deals with Gog as described in Ezekiel 38:18-23.
So you see, the short-lived 'great tribulation' IS the time of 'Jacob's Trouble' DURING WHICH God punishes Israel with the short-lived 'Gog-Magog War' at the 'mid-point' of the 70th Week of Daniel BEFORE the wrath of God begins on the 'whole world' during the last-half of the '70th Week'.
Remember, the '70th Week of Daniel' is for Israel to repent, not for The Church. The Church is raptured 'at the time of' the 'great tribulation' without experiencing it:
"These are they who have come out of (the time of) the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."
According to Your Word, Come Lord Jesus!
> > the short-lived 'great tribulation' IS the time of 'Jacob's Trouble' DURING WHICH God punishes Israel with the short-lived 'Gog-Magog War' at the 'mid-point' of the 70th Week of Daniel BEFORE the wrath of God begins on the 'whole world' during the last-half of the '70th Week'.
The Great Tribulation is the last half of the 7-yr Tribulation. It will be shortened or no flesh would be saved. It ENDS with Gog's army attacking Israel on the DAY of God's Wrath, which is also the Time of Jacob's Trouble. This day is when the two asteroids will impact Earth, and the cities of the nations will be shambles when the worldwide earthquake causes every wall to fall (Eze 38:18-20). Agape
Incoming e-mail, Re: "CAME OUT" OF GREAT TRIBULATION" IS 'PAST TENSE'
John, the writer of the Book of Revelation, writes with a 'chronological order' to the events he is witnessing. He begins Revelation 7;1 with: "After this I saw", and Revelation 7:9 with "After this I looked". The opening of the seven seals, in chronologcal order, is interrupted ONLY between the Sixth Seal and the Seventh Seal.
BEFORE the opening of the Seventh Seal, Revelation 7:14 (KJV) states, "...These are they which CAME OUT of great tribulation".
"Came out" is speaking in the 'PAST TENSE' as though the 'great tribulation' is OVER AT THIS POINT BEFORE the opening of the Seventh Seal, which I believe it is over at this point.
I believe that the Scriptures tell us that the 'great tribulation' which is 'Jacob's trouble' ends in Israel BEFORE the 'wrath of God' upon the whole world begins with the Seventh Seal.
According to Your Word, Come Lord Jesus!
> > The opening of the seven seals, in chronologcal order, is interrupted ONLY between the Sixth Seal and the Seventh Seal.
The script for Christ's Miracle Play "The Revelation of Jesus Christ," is arranged so that there are 7 seals, and between the 6th and 7th seal is a parenthetic portion. Out of the 7th seal come 7 trumpets. Between the 6th and 7th trumpet is a parenthetic portion. Out of the 7th trumpet come 7 vials, and between the 6th and 7th vial is a parenthetic portion.
The Revelation of Jesus Christ is Rapture oriented. It was written for us. Rev. 1:19 says, "Write the things which thou hast seen (i.e., before the Rapture), and the things which are (at the time of the Rapture), and the things which shall be hereafter" (after the Rapture). It is as if Jesus stood at the open door of the Rapture just before it happened and looked at coming events from that viewpoint.
The setting of this miracle play is when the Rapture of the wise virgins is "at hand." It is at hand in both the first and last chapters.
Rev 1:3 says, "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for THE TIME IS AT HAND."
Rev 22:10 says, "Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for THE TIME IS AT HAND."
The Revelation of Christ is written to the Church. Rev 1:4 says, "John to the seven churches which are in Asia (meaning muddy, i.e., on Earth): Grace be unto you, and peace, from him (Christ) which is (i.e., at the time of the First-Trump Rapture), and which was (at the First Advent), and which is to come (at the Second Advent)".
Rev 1:19,20 addresses John, narrator, scribe and actor in this miracle play. It says, "Write the things which thou hast seen (before the First-Trump Rapture), and the things which are (at the time of the Rapture), and the things which shall be hereafter (after the Rapture); The mystery of the seven (number of completion) stars which thou sawest in my right hand (in the Preview), and the seven golden candlesticks (seen in Heaven). The seven stars are the angels (messengers) of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest (in Heaven in the Preview of the Rapture) are the seven churches."
Like our modern movie directors, Jesus (the director) ran a Preview before the first act of his dramatic production began. In that Preview of the Rapture, John, one of the 24 elders, was caught up to Heaven on the Lord's day.
We think of Sunday as the Lord's day, because Jesus was resurrected on Sunday, but that could indicate the Saturday Sabbath, for Luke 6:5 says, "And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."
The 24 elders are the 12 patriarchs of Israel and the 12 apostles of Israel, all resurrected and caught up to Heaven in the First-trump Rapture that takes place before the first seal is broken on the Title Deed of the Earth.
Rev 4:1-4 says, "After this (i.e., after Christ's monologue to the 7 church groups) I looked, and, behold, a door was (italicized in the KJV, not denoting change, i.e., the door had already been) opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter (i.e., after the First-Trump Rapture). And immediately I was (not italicized, denoting change, i.e., John became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one (Christ, the first and the last, 'LORD' of the Old Testament and 'Lord' of the New Testament) sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (first stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (last stone in the breastplate): and there was (italicized, i.e., no change, the rings already existed) a rainbow (i.e., Saturn's rings) round about the throne (the sapphire throne on Saturn, Eze 1:1,26-28), in sight like unto an emerald (green, sapphires come in lots of colors, here emerald because it was Judah's stone in the breastplate, and Jesus is the Lion of the Tribe of Judah). And round about the throne were four and twenty seats (thrones): and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders (12 patriarchs and 12 apostles of Israel) sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold."
The First-Trump Rapture is of the Church saints, i.e., wise virgins wearing white robes. The Last-Trump Rapture is of the Tribulation saints, caught up on the Day of God's Wrath, whose spotted robes kept them from participating in the first Rapture.
> > BEFORE the opening of the Seventh Seal, Revelation 7:14 (KJV) states, "...These are they which CAME OUT of great tribulation".
> > "Came out" is speaking in the 'PAST TENSE' as though the 'great tribulation' is OVER AT THIS POINT BEFORE the opening of the Seventh Seal, which I believe it is over at this point.
The Day of God's Wrath, the last day of the Great Tribulation, has begun in Rev. 6:17. Then, of the Last-Trump Rapture, Rev. 7:14,15 says, "These are they which CAME OUT of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne (Christ) shall dwell among them."
Those of the first Rapture were "made...unto our God kings and priests: and we shall REIGN on (epi, on or over) the earth" (Rev. 5:9).
Rev 22:3-5 says, "And there shall be no more curse: but the THRONE (one throne) OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face (one face); and his name (one name) shall be in their foreheads. And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall REIGN for ever and ever."
> > I believe that the Scriptures tell us that the 'great tribulation' which is 'Jacob's trouble' ends in Israel BEFORE the 'wrath of God' upon the whole world begins with the Seventh Seal.
The Time of Jacob's Trouble is The Day of God's Wrath. It is ONE DAY like no other. It is Jesus' Long Day, of which Joshua's Long Day was a type. In Hebrew, the name Jesus is Joshua, so Joshua's Long Day fits like a glove.
Joshua 10:11-14 says, "And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that THE LORD CAST DOWN GREAT STONES FROM HEAVEN upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword. Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel." The next time, the Lord will do it without the voice of a man asking for it.
It will be a day like no other. Jer 30:7 says, "Alas! for that day is great, so that NONE IS LIKE IT: it is even THE TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE; but he shall be saved out of it.
Dan 12:1 says of Jesus' Long Day, "And at that time (when the False Prophet will be deposed) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be A TIME OF TROUBLE, SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION even to that same time: AND AT THAT TIME THY PEOPLE (i.e., the 144,000 Israelites) SHALL BE DELIVERED, every one that shall be found written in the book."
As Rev. 8 follows Rev. 7:14, the other events of Jesus' Long Day follow the Last-Trump Rapture.
On Jesus' Long Day, when Gog's army is attacking Israel, the LORD will again fight for Israel. Two asteroids, plus a hail of stones weighing over 100 pounds each, will impact Earth. That day will be as in the days of Lot, when an asteroid split the Earth from Turkey to Lake Nyassa in Africa forming the Great Rift Valley and depressing the bedrock that is now under the waters of the Dead Sea. Agape
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