Pro and Con 1583

Posted 12-23-2010

TOTAL BLOOD MOON ECLIPSE OF 12-21-2010 (which I couldn't see because of the rain)

Here is a video of it:
http://gizmodo.com/5715640/yesterdays-spectacular-lunar-eclipse-caught-on-video

Incoming e-mail, Re: Solstice-eclipse overlap first in 456 years

...What significance can we attach to the year 1554 if any, I wonder?...Could it be our Rapture warning, I wonder? 12/21/10...the last solar eclipse on the Winter solstice was in December 1554

http://www.mreclipse.com/LEdata/TLE2010Dec21/TLE2010Dec21.html

That date is remarkable for the first book of prophecy that Nostradamus published and Elizabeth the First came to the English throne. She is widely considered the finest ruler in English history"Problem with 1260 days, 42 months, 3&1/2 years"

OTTAWA This year's winter solstice an event that will occur next Tuesday will coincide with a full lunar eclipse in a union that hasn't been seen in 456 years.

The celestial eccentricity holds special significance for spiritualities that tap into the energy of the winter solstice, the shortest day of the year and a time that is associated with the rebirth of the sun....

The last time the two celestial events happened at the same time was in AD 1554, according to NASA....

The eclipse will start just after midnight Eastern Time on Tuesday, with the main event starting at 1:30 a.m. ET and lasting until 5:30 a.m., when the moon reappears....

LOS ANGELES AREA WAS TREATED TO A DOUBLE RAINBOW AT 5 PM ON 12-22-2010


Incoming e-mail, Re: THE 'DAY OF CHRIST' WILL BE A VERY BUSY DAY, AND EACH HAS HIS OWN SPECIFIC 'JOB ASSIGNMENT'

The 'Day of Christ' begins:

Daniel 12:1
"At that time the archangel Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise." (to cast Satan out of Heaven)

And while Michael is busy doing that:

Revelation 7:2
"Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the Seal of the Living God." (to Seal the 144,000)

And while that is being accomplished:

1 Thessalonians 4:16
"For the Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds; to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

As soon as Satan is cast out of Heaven, the 144,000 are sealed, and the Church is in Heaven, Jesus opens the Seventh Seal and the 'wrath of God' begins:

Revelation 8:1
"When He opened the Seventh Seal there was silence in Heaven for about half an hour.
"Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the alter, and hurled it on the earth."

According to your Word, Come Lord Jesus!

My reply

> > The 'Day of Christ' begins:
> > Daniel 12:1
> > "At that time the archangel Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise." (to cast Satan out of Heaven)

Daniel 12:1 takes place on the Day of God's Wrath, which is the Day of the Lord, not the Day of Christ. They are two different times. The day of the First-Trump Rapture (I Thess 4:16-18) is the Day of Christ. The day of the Last-Trump Rapture (I Cor. 15:51-54) is the Day of the Lord.

There are two trumpets, i.e., two Raptures, for the journeying of the two camps, first the Church saints and later the Tribulation saints. Num 10:1-4 gives us the type.

It says, "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. And when they shall blow with them (BOTH), all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And if they blow but with ONE trumpet, then the princes (i.e., elders), which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee."

Re: the Last-Trump Rapture, 1Cor 15:51-53 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

Where there is a "last" in a series, there is a first. I Thess 4:16-18 IS THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE. It says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

Rev 4:1-4 shows us the elders in heaven after the first Rapture. It says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was (italicized shows no change) as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was (not italicized denotes a change, it literally means 'I became') in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone (the first and last stones in the breastplate, standing for Jesus Christ, the first and the last, LORD of the Old Testament and Lord of the New Testament): and there was a rainbow (Saturn's rings) round about the throne (Christ's, Eze. 1:1,26-28), in sight like unto an emerald (Judah's stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is the Lion of the Tribe of Judah). And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders (the 12 patriarchs and 12 apostles of Israel) sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold."

Be careful not to confuse the days of the two Raptures. The first Rapture is on the Day of Christ, the second Rapture is on the Day of the Lord. The Day of Christ comes first. The Day of the Lord is the Day of God's Wrath that ends the Tribulation.

The DAY OF CHRIST is the Rapture of the Church. These church saints are out of every nation (Rev. 5:9). Included are the 24 elders of Israel (12 patriarchs and 12 apostles). All the wise virgin church saints are in Heaven when Jesus is given the 7-sealed book (the Title Deed of the Earth).

Rev 5:9 says, "And they (the saints) sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; Therefore, they are in Heaven before the first seal is broken.

Unless you die first, your last day here should be the DAY OF CHRIST. The DAY OF CHRIST is like the first exit on the freeway. The DAY OF THE LORD is like the second exit. Either exit will get you to your destination, heaven, but the first exit will get you there quicker. It also has greater rewards.

THE DAY OF CHRIST IS "THE END" FOR THE WISE VIRGINS

1Cor 1:8 says, "Who shall also confirm you unto THE END, that ye may be blameless in the DAY OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST."

THE DAY OF THE LORD IS THE END FOR THE FOOLISH VIRGINS In Php 1:6, Paul said, "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it UNTIL THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST".

Why won't he perform it after the Day of Christ? because the wise virgins will no longer be here. The Day of Christ is the exit for them. It is the day Christ will meet us in the clouds and take us to Heaven.

In Php 1:10, Paul said, "That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence TILL THE DAY OF CHRIST."

There is that DAY OF CHRIST exit sign. Paul wants you to be sincere and without offence until the day of the first Rapture, which is the DAY OF CHRIST.

Paul will rejoice on the DAY OF CHRIST. In Php 2:16, he said, "Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the DAY OF CHRIST, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain."

The DAY OF CHRIST is the time when Paul will know for sure that he has not run the race in vain. We are running the race until the DAY OF CHRIST too. We are running to win the prize of being counted worthy to be caught up to heaven on the DAY OF CHRIST.

In the Preview of the Rapture in Rev 1:10,11, John said, "I was (not italicized, meaning there is a change, i.e., John became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last" (i.e., Jesus Christ).

Keep in mind that the Preview of the Rapture took place on the "Lord's day." We need to search out the meaning of this clue. The Greek "kuriakos hemera" doesn't appear exactly like this anywhere else in the Bible. Day of Christ is "kurios hemera". Maybe that is what "kuriakos hemera" means, for the Rapture will be on the Day of Christ.

Ex 35:2 says, "Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a SABBETH of rest to the LORD".

Lev 23:3 says, "Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the SABBATH of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings."

Luke 6:5 says, "And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."

In the Preview in the first chapter (Rev. 1:8), Jesus said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is (at the time of the Rapture), and which was (at the First Advent), and which is to come (at the Second Advent), the Almighty."

When signing off in Rev 22:13, the last chapter of the Bible, Jesus said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first (LORD of the Old Testament) and the last" (Lord of the New Testament).

THE DAY OF THE LORD, FEAST OF TRUMPETS, DAY OF 2ND RAPTURE, DAY OF GOD'S WRATH

Amos 5:18,20,21 says, "Woe unto you that desire the DAY OF THE LORD! to what end is it for you? the DAY OF THE LORD is darkness, and not light....Shall not the DAY OF THE LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it? I HATE, I DESPISE YOUR FEAST DAYS, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies."

Isa 13:6,9 says, "Howl ye; for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand; it shall come as a DESTRUCTION from the Almighty....Behold, the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, cruel both with WRATH and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it."

Isa 34:8 says, "For it is the DAY OF THE LORD'S VENGEANCE, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion" (i.e., Jerusalem).

Jer 46:10 says, "For this is the DAY OF THE LORD GOD OF HOSTS, A DAY OF VENGEANCE, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates" (i.e., at Babylon).

Eze 13:5 says, "Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle (when Gog's army attacks Israel) in the DAY OF THE LORD."

Eze 30:2,3 says, "Howl ye, Woe worth the day! For the day is near, even the DAY OF THE LORD is near, a cloudy day; IT SHALL BE THE TIME OF THE HEATHEN."

Joel 2:1,2 says, "Blow ye the TRUMPET in Zion (it is the Feast of Trumpets), and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A DAY OF DARKNESS and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong (Gog's army); there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations."

Joel 2:31,32 says, "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible DAY OF THE LORD come. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered".

Joel 3:14,15 says, "Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the DAY OF THE LORD is near in the valley of decision. THE SUN AND THE MOON SHALL BE DARKENED, and the stars shall withdraw their shining."

Zeph 1:14-16 says, "The great DAY OF THE LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. THAT DAY IS A DAY OF WRATH, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, A DAY OF THE TRUMPET and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers."

Zec 14:1-3 says, "Behold, the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I WILL GATHER ALL NATIONS AGAINST JERUSALEM TO BATTLE; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. THEN SHALL THE LORD GO FORTH, AND FIGHT AGAINST THOSE NATIONS, AS WHEN HE FOUGHT IN THE DAY OF BATTLE" (i.e., when he threw down rocks on Joshua's Long Day).

Mal 4:5 says, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful DAY OF THE LORD". This shows that the Day of the Lord does not start at the beginning of the Tribulation, as some say.

Acts 2:20,21 says, "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable DAY OF THE LORD come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved." They will be caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture. It takes place shortly after the Day of God's Wrath begins (Rev. 6:17; 7:14).

"SUDDEN DESTRUCTION" BELONGS TO THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD, NOT TO THE DAY OF CHRIST

1Th 5:2-10 says, "For yourselves know perfectly that the DAY OF THE LORD so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then SUDDEN DESTRUCTION cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren (believers), are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For GOD HATH NOT APPOINTED US TO WRATH, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him."

2Pe 3:10 says, "But the DAY OF THE LORD will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

This will happen when the asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11 impact Earth. The mountain-sized rock will hit the Mediterranean Sea. Wormwood, Satan's home, will obliterate Babylon near the Euphrates River.

Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here, (the False Prophet) that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a ROCK (in the asteroid Wormwood)? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

Rev 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all." Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: THERE IS' NO TRIBULATION' OTHER THAN 'THE GREAT TRIBULATION' WHICH 'BEGINS AND ENDS' IN ISRAEL.....

THIS IS THE 'ONE AND ONLY' TRIBULATION:
Matthew 24:21
"...unequaled from the beginning of the world until now - and never to be equaled again." (there is none other worth mentioning. That is why it is called 'great'.)

THERE IS' NO TRIBULATION' OTHER THAN 'THE GREAT TRIBULATION' WHICH 'BEGINS AND ENDS' IN ISRAEL..... WHEN DOES IT BEGIN?

Matthew 24:21
"For then there will be great tribulation...." (it will begin after the following event occurs)

WHAT EVENT IS THAT?
Matthew 24:15
"So when you see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation...." (just before the mid-point of the '70th Week')

WHERE WILL IT OCCUR?

Matthew 24;16
"Let those who are in Judea (Israel) flee to the mountains..." (only those who are in Israel will be directly affected by it)

HOW LONG WILL IT LAST?
Matthew 21:22
"If those days had not been shortened, no one would survive," (It won't last very long. It will be terrible, but short and end at the mid-point of the '70th Week of Daniel'.)

WHO IS GOING TO BE SAVED OUT OF IT?
Matthew 24:
"But for the sake of the elect, those days will be shortened..." (the elect are chosen to be saved)

WHO ARE THE ELECT IN THIS SCRIPTURE?
Because the 'great tribulation' is an event exclusive to Israel, the elect are the 'elect of Israel' which is the 'remnant of Israel' whom God chose to survive the 'great tribulation of Israel', and are then to be protected by Him for 1,260 days in the desert during the last-half of the '70th Week of Daniel'. The elect here is not the Church because the Church is not appointed to be tribulated, but be raptured instead.)

WHAT HAPPENS 'IMMEDIATELY AFTER' THE GREAT TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS (in Israel)? Matthew 24:29

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavens will be shaken."

WHY ARE ALL THESE SIGNS HAPPENING AT THIS TIME?
Matthew 24:30
"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud trumpet call, and THEY WILL GATHER H

IS ELECT (His Church) FROM THE FOUR WINDS, FROM ONE END OF THE HEAVENS TO THE OTHER."

WHO ARE THE ELECT IN THIS SCRIPTURE?
The 'elect' in this scripture is 'His Church' undergoing rapture 'immediately after' the great tribulation in Israel)

CONCLUSION:

Nearing the 'mid-point of the 70th Week', and 'immediately after' the shortened great tribulation in Israel the Lord will appear to rapture His Church before the wrath of God begins on the whole earth. According to Your Word, Come Lord Jesus!

My reply

> > great tribulation...." (it will begin after the following event occurs)
> > WHAT EVENT IS THAT?
> > Matthew 24:15
> > "So when you see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation...." (just before the mid-point of the '70th Week')...
> > HOW LONG WILL IT LAST?
> > Matthew 21:22
> > "If those days had not been shortened, no one would survive," (It won't last very long. It will be terrible, but short and end at the mid-point of the '70th Week of Daniel'.)

That would be startlingly short, beginning "just before the mid-point" and ending "at the mid-point of the '70th Week of Daniel'. Why then would the Messianic Jews have to flee to Petra for 1260 days?

Look at Matthew 24:15-29 again. It spans that whole time, from Mid-Trib to just after the second Rapture. The 1260 days will be shortened, but not by nearly 1260 days. The whole reign of the False Prophet goes in that span of time.
Mat 24:15 When [Mid-Trib] ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation [an idol], spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place [in the Temple], (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains [many will go to Petra]:

Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Mat 24:21 For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Mat 24:22 And except those days [the latter 1260] should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.

Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert [that fits Babylon]; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase [body, i.e., the Body of Christ] is [it will be in Heaven], there will the eagles [high flying Tribulation saints] be gathered together [i.e., at the time of the second Rapture].

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days [i.e., after the Rapture of the Tribulation saints as the Day of God's Wrath begins] shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars [asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11] shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken".

Surely, all of that takes some time to take place.
Referring to the time of the second Rapture, Rev 7:14 says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

> > THERE IS' NO TRIBULATION' OTHER THAN 'THE GREAT TRIBULATION' WHICH 'BEGINS AND ENDS' IN ISRAEL

How then does Babylon get obliterated?
Jer 51:37 says, "BABYLON SHALL BECOME HEAPS, a dwellingplace for dragons, an astonishment, and an hissing, without an inhabitant."

Rev 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be FOUND NO MORE AT ALL."

How then does every man on the face of the earth shake and every wall fall?

Eze 38:19,20 says, "For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and ALL THE MEN THAT ARE UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, SHALL SHAKE at my presence, and THE MOUNTAINS SHALL BE THROWN DOWN, and the steep places shall fall, and EVERY WALL SHALL FALL TO THE GROUND."

How then would the cities of the nations fall and islands and mountains disappear?

Rev 16:17-20 says, "And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was A GREAT EARTHQUAKE, SUCH AS WAS NOT SINCE MEN WERE UPON THE EARTH, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS FELL: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And EVERY ISLAND FLED AWAY, AND THE MOUNTAINS WERE NOT FOUND."

> > Matthew 24:30
> > "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud trumpet call, and THEY WILL GATHER HIS ELECT (His Church) FROM THE FOUR WINDS, FROM ONE END OF THE HEAVENS TO THE OTHER." > > WHO ARE THE ELECT IN THIS SCRIPTURE?
The 'elect' in this scripture is 'His Church' undergoing rapture 'immediately after' the great tribulation in Israel)
> > CONCLUSION:
Nearing the 'mid-point of the 70th Week', and 'immediately after' the shortened great tribulation in Israel the Lord will appear to rapture His Church before the wrath of God begins on the whole earth.

Read Mat 24:30 again, carefully. The wise virgins of the Church are being gathered from one end of HEAVEN to the other. They have already been raptured.
Mat 24:31 (KJV) says, "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."

As the wise virgins are being gathered to the general assembly in Heaven, the Tribulation saints are being gathered from one end of the EARTH to the other.

Mark 13:27 says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN."

Where are the Tribulation saints taken? to the General Assembly in Heaven.
Heb 12:23 says, "To the GENERAL ASSEMBLY and church of the FIRSTBORN, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect".

Who is already there when they get there? the FIRSTBORN.

There are two Raptures. The First-Trump Rapture of I Thess. 4:16,17 is for the FIRSTBORN, the wise virgins of the Church, those that had enough oil of the Holy Spirit.

The Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor. 15:51-54 is for the Tribulation saints, a great multitude which no man can number (Rev. 7:9). Among them are the 144,000 Israelites and the foolish virgins of the Church, who washed their spotted robes in the blood of Christ. In other words, they confessed their sins committed AFTER they accepted Christ as their Saviour to bring them under the blood of Christ too. When they accepted Christ, all their "old" sins were wiped off the record. They just needed to bring new sins under the blood of Christ too.

2Peter 1:9 says, "But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off (i.e., Heaven), and hath forgotten that he was purged from his OLD sins."

If you have questions, feel free to ask. I have studied the Bible as hard as I could go ever since 1960. There are others that read John Tng's Five Doves site and my Bible Prophecy Corner that have studied as hard as they could go for many many years. They will be glad to share what they have learned, or to discuss pros and cons of numerous subjects. No one knows it all. God has packed so much into that one small book, there is no end to what we can dig out. That's what keeps it so interesting. The more you know, the more you can know. You never completely plumb the depths. Agape

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