Pro and Con 1587

Posted 1-15-2011

METEOR SEEN 1-11-11 OVER SOUTHEASTERN US

TURTLEDOVES

ANOTHER SIGN, A SUPERNOVA

10-YEAR-OLD YOUNGEST PERSON TO DISCOVER SUPERNOVA A 10-year-old Canadian girl has become the youngest person ever to discover a supernova, or exploding star http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/8239457/10-year-old-youngest-person-to-discover-supernova.html

Kathryn Aurora Gray, from Fredericton in the eastern province of New Brunswick, made the rare find on Sunday as she combed dozens of telescopic images of star fields in faraway galaxies.

"The RASC is pleased to announce the discovery of a supernova by a 10-year-old amateur astronomer the youngest person ever to have made such a discovery," the society said in a statement.

On spotting Supernova 2010lt in the constellation of Camelopardalis in a galaxy 240 light-years from Earth, Gray immediately told her delighted amateur astronomer father Paul.

My reply to a post on Five Doves site

Lydia: Micah ch & and the Tribulation

> > Micah 7
1 What misery is mine!
I am like one who gathers summer fruit
at the gleaning of the vineyard;
there is no cluster of grapes to eat,
none of the early figs that I crave.
2 The godly have been swept from the land;
not one upright man remains. All men lie in wait to shed blood; each hunts his brother with a net.

Thanks for quoting this. Normally, I don't use the NIV, but this tells the story very well. The second Rapture (Rev. 7:14), the one that takes place on the Feast of Trumpets that is also the Day of God's Wrath (Rev. 6:17) has just taken place. Then verse 2 tells it like it is. "The godly have been swept from the land; not one upright man remains."

According to Song of Solomon 2:10-14, there are tender grapes at the time of the first Rapture. According to Micah, there are no clusters of grapes at the Second Rapture. I think the first Rapture will be next Ascension Day, May 21, 2011, and the second Rapture will be on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015.

The 144,000 Israelites are caught up in this Rapture. Along with them is a great multitude that no man can measure (Rev. 7:9). Agape

THE SECRET OF THE STAIRS FITS THE RAPTURE ON ASCENSION DAY PERFECTLY

Song of Solomon 2:10-15 says, "My beloved (Christ) spake, and said unto me, RISE UP, my love, my fair one, and COME AWAY (in the First-Trump Rapture). for, lo, the WINTER IS PAST (then it is past the spring equinox, March 21), the rain (i.e., the latter rain of Nisan) is over and gone (then the Rapture is in Iyar, the month Solomon started to build the Temple); The flowers appear on the earth (April showers bring May flowers, so the Rapture is in May); the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., TURTLEDOVE) is heard in our land (a migratory bird that's in Israel from April to October); The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape (end of May and early June) give a good smell. ARISE, my love, my fair one (i.e., the Bride of Christ), and COME AWAY (in the First-Trump Rapture). O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock (i.e., in Christ), in the SECRET...OF THE STAIRS (i.e., like Jacob's ladder, reaching from Earth to Heaven), let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely. Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes (in late May). My beloved is mine, and I am his". The first Rapture has taken place.

Incoming e-mail, Re: IT IS 'SCRIPTURALLY' IMPROPER AND NOT CONSISTANT WITH THE 'WORD OF GOD'

It is 'Scripturally' improper to refer to the entire seven-year-long '70th Week of Daniel' as 'the tribulation' because the 'Word of God' tells us 'exactly when' the tribulation begins, and it is NOT at the beginning of the '70th Week of Daniel'.

Daniel 12:11
"From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the 'abomination that causes desolation' is set-up, there will be 1,290 days."

Matthew 24:15

"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation' - spoken of through the prophet Daniel - then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains."

Matthew 24:21

"FOR THEN there will be great tribulation unequaled from the beginning of the world until now - and never to be equaled again."

CONCLUSION:
Scripture tells us that the second-half of the '70th Week of Daniel' is 1,260 days in length, therefore 'the tribulation' begins 30 days before the second-half begins ie.(1,290 days - 1,260 days = 30 days (or) 1,260 days + 30 days = 1,290 days). Therefore, it is not consistant with the Word of God to say that 'the tribulation' is the entire seven-year-long '70th Week of Daniel' because Scripture tells us otherwise. Scripture also leaves NO confusion about which tribulation is meant - there is ONLY ONE like it.

According to Your Word, Come Lord Jesus!

My reply

> > Scripture tells us that the second-half of the '70th Week of Daniel' is 1,260 days in length, therefore 'the tribulation' begins 30 days before the second-half begins

Instead of the Great Tribulation starting before the first half of the Tribulation is finished, I think the extra 30 days is at the end, demonstrating to us that the last year of the Tribulation is a Leap Year with a 13th month.

The Day of God's Wrath should be on Tishri 1, 5776. Following that, there will be 7 months before the Second Advent takes place on the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee year, Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2016).

Eze 39:12,13 tells us about that seven months (Tishri, Cheshvan, Kislev, Teveth, Shevat, Adar I and Adar II). It says, "And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them (those killed on the Day of God's Wrath, Tishri 1, 5776 [Sept. 14, 2015], when Gog's army attacks Israel), that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (i.e., at the Second Advent on Nisan 1, 5776 [April 9, 2016]), saith the Lord GOD."

Knowing this helps us identify the correct year. 5776 is a Leap Year with the 13th month. 5777 and 5778 are not Leap Years. Therefore, it looks like Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015) is the Day of God's Wrath. Then the Second Advent would be 7 months later, on Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2016), the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee years. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: We Believers ar Still Here :{

Oh Sweet Sister,
Please know that my prayers are with you. My husband has a lot of physical problems too. His mobility is not good..he falls down a lot whew!!

But we read "That ALL things work together for good to those that Love the Lord".

Do you have any insight on the building of the 3rd Temple in Jerusalem?? I have read that they have everything ready for the construction..ooh let's go with it.

Anyway, "A Crown of Righteousness is Laid Up for those who Love His Appearing" A lot of my Christian friends don't want to hear me talk about the coming Rapture. Hey!! will they be taken up in the Rapture or will they have to stick around on the earth until the Lord comes back again??..groan

My reply

I think our being here is why they haven't started to build the Temple. They have gotten about as far as they can go with us here. Hag 2:15 says, "And now, I pray you, consider from this day (Kislev 24) and upward, from before a stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of the LORD."

We seem to be living in the last countdown, from Kislev 24 to the Rapture, probably on Ascension Day. We could be the barley harvest. It is brought in between Firstfruits and Pentecost. We know that we are a kind of firstfruits.

James 1:18 says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures." Barley is the first grain harvested.

For sure, we are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Several verses tell us this.

1Cor 3:16 says, "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"

1Cor 6:19 says, "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"

2Cor 6:16 says, "ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people."

Eph 2:20-22 says, "And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit." Maranatha. Agape

I have long wondered what the exact prophecy was that scared the Ottoman Turks out of Jerusalem in 1917. I finally ran across it.

"There was a proverb among the Arabs, which was well known to the Turks: "When the waters of the Nile flow into Palestine, then will a prophet of the Lord deliver Jerusalem from the Turkish yoke." To the Arabs, Allenby was known as "Allah-en-Nebi" which means "prophet of the Lord." (Having been knighted, he was also Lord Allenby.) And, the British army had, as it marched from Egypt to Gaza, laid a pipeline carrying fresh water from the Nile delta. Thus to the Arabs and superstitious Turks, it appeared that Allenby was the embodiment of the fulfillment of this ancient prophecy! " ("The 70 Years Prophecy, Jubilee Years, 2300 Days, Elijah, Ezekiel and the End of Days," By William F. Dankenbring
http://www.triumphpro.com/70-years-prophecy.pdf)

Incoming e-mail, Re: TAKE NOTE OF THE THREAD

Daniel 12:1
"There will be a time of TRIBULATION such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But AT THAT TIME your people - everyone whose name is written in the book - will be delivered. MULTITUDES who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake;"
Mattheew 24:21
"For then there will be great TRIBULATION, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now - and never to be equaled again." Matthew 24:29
"Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days,"

Matthew 24:30
"AT THAT TIME the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky with power and great glory."

Matthew 24:31
"with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other."

Revelation 7:9
"After this I looked and there before me was a great MULTITUDE..."

Revelation 7:14
"These are they who have come out (immediately after the time) of the great TRIBULATION; they have washed their robes and made then white in the blood of the Lamb."

CONCLUSION:

The "multitude" spoken of in (Daniel 12:1) is the very same "multitude" spoken of in (Revelation 7:9). The "multitude" standing before the throne 'wearing white robes' in (Revelation 7:9) is the very same "multitude" who awaken (resurrect) from the dust of the earth, whose names are written in the book (Daniel 12:1), and therefore are delivered (raptured) along with the 'living in Christ' when Jesus appears to rapture His Church.

According to Your Word, Come Lord Jesus!

My reply

> > The "multitude" spoken of in (Daniel 12:1) is the very same "multitude" spoken of in (Revelation 7:9). The "multitude" standing before the throne 'wearing white robes' in (Revelation 7:9) is the very same "multitude" who awaken (resurrect) from the dust of the earth, whose names are written in the book (Daniel 12:1), and therefore are delivered (raptured) along with the 'living in Christ' when Jesus appears to rapture His Church.

Dan 12:1 says, "thy people". That equates with the 144,000 Israelites of Rev. 7:4. It says, "there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel."

Dan 12:1 (KJV) says, "And at that time (i.e., Day of God's Wrath, when the False Prophet will be deposed, see previous verse) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of THY PEOPLE: and there shall be a time of trouble (i.e., the Day of God's Wrath, Rev. 6:17), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time (Day of God's Wrath) THY PEOPLE (the 144,000 Israelites) shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book."

Rev. 6:17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Then Rev 7:14 says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Included are the foolish virgins left behind the first time.

The wise virgins are not part of this group. They were in Heaven singing the NEW SONG in Rev. 5:9,10.

Of the last group, Rev. 14:3-5 says, "And they (THE 144,000) sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."

There are two Raptures, two ranks in the First Resurrection.

1Cor 15:23 says, "But every man in his own order" (tagmati, rank). Agape

My reply, Re: JOSEPH & JESUS

> > There are over 24 parallels between Joseph and Jesus. I like the one where Joseph is given a gentile bride just before the 7 years of famine and I believe it is parallel to Jesus taking the church/bride.
Just food for thought.

How about Joseph bringing his family down to be with him in Egypt in the second year of famine (Tribulation)?

In the Preview of the Rapture, Rev 1:9-11 says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion IN TRIBULATION, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos (meaning mortal), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (Resurrection Day, Sunday), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last". Agape

My reply to a post on the Five Doves site, Re: Re: Jennie: Dr. Owuor's prophesy

> > Dr. Owuor has prophesied that the Black Horse has been release in August of 2008.

That can't be true. Read Rev. 5. We have to be in Heaven before the first seal is broken. Jesus receives the 7-sealed book after we are in heaven. Only after that can he break the first seal. We are not quite as far along as Dr. Owuor thinks. Rev. 5 has to be fulfilled before Rev. 6 can be fulfilled. We are still in Rev. 3. Rev. 4.1 is the Rapture. That is the next thing on the agenda. I think that might take place next Ascension Day, May 29, 2011.

Jesus, head of the Body of Christ, was Resurrected on Firstfruits. That is the first day of the barley harvest. We, the Bride of Christ, should be harvested next. Therefore, we should be brought into heaven between Firstfruits and Pentecost. Jesus was taken up to Heaven on the 40th day of the Omer. I think we will be taken up on that day too. It falls on Sunday this year, as in the Preview of the Rapture in Rev. 1:9,10. On Jesus' Ascension Day, two men, maybe Moses and Elijah, said that he would come again in like manner as he went up. Maybe that will be when those two men come as God's two witnesses in the Tribulation as we go up to meet Jesus in the clouds.

Do you remember John 4:35? Jesus said, "Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest."

Remember that Haggai 2:18,19 said that the Lord would bless us from Kislev 24 and upward. Following Kislev, four months before the barley harvest would be Teveth, Shevat, Adar I and Adar II, for this year is a Leap Year. The beginning of the barley harvest is in the following month, Nisan 16. Ascension Day is the 40th day of the Omer, Sunday, Iyar 25, 5771, May 29, 2011. This is the only stretch of time the Lord had them count the Omer. Why? maybe so they would know when the 40th day came.

To me, it looks like the puzzle pieces are falling into place, and the Lord will bless us on that day. I think we will go up in like manner as the two men in white must have gone up, following Jesus into the clouds. Agape

A post on Five Doves site, Re: "T.V. show "V" is Demonic"

Carolyn G (14 Jan 2011)

It was almost 2 weeks ago when I watched the 3 hours of "V" which was the summary of the previous season's programming. The season premier was coming on the follow Tuesday. The program seemed to be so prophetic for the days that may be coming up that I thought it would be great to watch. It was a program of good in their attempt to overcome evil. So I watched it that Tuesday night. This program seemed to be especially spiritually demonic. Even the advertisements seemed to be so evil. I did not have a good feeling about it. I told friends I would not be watching it again.

For several days right after that I would wake up with a stomach ache, sometimes quite severe. I kept wondering what was wrong. I would also have scary evil dreams. Every time I did my mind would go to that TV program. Even during the day I would have fearful fleeting moments.
Then early this past Tuesday morning I had those same evil feelings. I was sort of half asleep and half awake. I thought, "what is it?" Then I felt a strong force on my stomach. It was like I was strapped to the bed and couldn't move. With my hand I was trying to push it off, but it wouldn't move. It was pressing down on my stomach. With all of my might I was trying to yell, "No! Stop! Go away!" But I couldn't seem to make a sound. I started twisting and trying to get away. It finally left. I thought that I got up and then looked back to see what it was. I saw what looked like a large limp cat, like a mountain lion. I thought I picked it up and threw it away. This was a spiritually demonic dream, and real at the same time.
So as soon as possible after I got up I found my anointing oil. I went through the whole house anointing things in every room, quoting scriptures and casting the demons out in the name of Jesus! Yes, it worked. The name of Jesus is above every other name. There have been no more nightmares, stomach aches or evil thoughts. PTL!
By the way, be careful what you watch on TV.

My reply

> > I was sort of half asleep and half awake. I thought, "what is it?" Then I felt a strong force on my stomach. It was like I was strapped to the bed and couldn't move. With my hand I was trying to push it off, but it wouldn't move. It was pressing down on my stomach. With all of my might I was trying to yell, "No! Stop! Go away!" But I couldn't seem to make a sound. I started twisting and trying to get away. It finally left. I thought that I got up and then looked back to see what it was. I saw what looked like a large limp cat, like a mountain lion. I thought I picked it up and threw it away. This was a spiritually demonic dream, and real at the same time.

It may not have been a dream. One time years ago after I started studying the Bible in earnest, I was in bed, but not asleep. They pinned me down so I could not move or breathe. I had to scream in my mind for Jesus to make them stop. I was terrified. Finally, before I would have passed out, Jesus did make them stop. Whew! Agape

Another sign, 7.3 earthquake at LOYALTY ISLANDS

Mag 7.3 Loyalty Islands, Vanuatu region, near Australia Shallow Depth 7.2 km

Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 16:16:40 UTC
Friday, January 14, 2011 at 03:16:40 AM at epicenter
291 km (181 miles) NE (54) from NOUMEA, New Caledonia

MORE INTERESTING EARTHQUAKE NEWS

John B (14 Jan 2011)
"Recent earthquakes that I believe should be alerting Jesus' flock" http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2011/johnb114.htm

Recent earthquakes that I believe should be alerting Jesus' flock----------

For several weeks now the larger Richter Scale earthquakes swarms seem to be in three locals------ the Bonin Islands, Vanuatu and now the Loyalty Islands....

Bonin Islands have had a steady drum beat of large earthquakes now for weeks. This group of islands is made up of 10 islands and the names of these islands will definitely get your Rapture attention. They are--

Bridegroom Island (Christ's Church is waiting for their bridegroom to come and take us away)
Bride Island (we as the bride of Christ are patiently waiting for His return in the Rapture)
Go between Island (Jesus is the go-between between His followers and God the Father)
North Island (I believe there is scripture related to heaven or God's throne being in the "north")
Father Island
Elder Brother Island
Younger Brother Island
Mother Island
Elder Sister Island
Younger Sister Island

Vanuatu makes up a group of islands that have been experiencing large earthquakes now for weeks as well. The name doesn't sound biblical or one that would raise your Rapture hackles until you know what the name was changed from. The original name for Vanuatu was New Hebrides. Now this is a no brainer----- the whole of Christ's Church are watching and waiting to be--- "new He-brides".

Loyalty Islands--today's quake of 7.0 was the largest quake I believe world wide in weeks. And I can't help but wonder if Christ is speaking to us with this one as well. There definitely is a "loyalty" aspect to the ones who are watching for His return and the bible says that these "loyal" watchers will receive a special crown in heaven when we get there. I think the train is almost at the station.

If you had the power to go out and place earthquakes on the global map to get the attention of Christ's Church that He was knocking at the door, do you think you could come up with better nomenclature?? I think not-------

He definitely has my full attention.

Christ be with you in your comings and goings, John B

My thoughts on the two grain harvests, i.e., the two Raptures

Micah is informative. Micah 4:12 says, "HE SHALL GATHER THEM AS THE SHEAVES INTO THE FLOOR." There are two main grain harvests, barley and wheat. The barley harvest is between Firstfruits and Pentecost. The wheat harvest ends on the Feast of Trumpets. These times of harvest seem to fit the two Raptures, the First-Trump Rapture on Ascension Day and the Last-Trump Rapture on the Feast of Trumpets that is the great and terrible Day of the Lord.

Mic 7:1-3 says, "Woe is me! for I am as when they have gathered the summer fruits, as the grapegleanings of the vintage: there is no cluster to eat: my soul desired the firstripe fruit. The good man is perished out of the earth: and there is none upright among men: they all lie in wait for blood; they hunt every man his brother with a net. That they may do evil with both hands earnestly"

Ruth 1:22 says, "So Naomi returned, and Ruth the Moabitess, her daughter in law, with her, which returned out of the country of Moab: and they came to Bethlehem in the beginning of barley harvest."

From a post on Five Doves site, Re: Jennie (15 Jan 2011): "RE: Marilyn Agee:"

Who Said Rev. 4 chap 1 Is the Rapture?? Just because John was shown What is to come, doesn't mean the Rapture happened during 4 verse 1. He was just shown of the things to come. Rev. 4 verse 1 only talks about the 24 elders clothed in white, not multitudes of people. In Chap. 5, only the four living creatures and the 24 elders proclaimed of being redeemed, again not multitudes of people. In Chap. 6 the 4 horsemen are let loose upon the earth to help usher the AC in. The the seal only talks about the Mariters who died on the earth for preaching the word. Only THEY get to wear the White Robes at THIS time. (Remember, the dead in Christ rise first?). Now in Chap. 6 God talks about the Great Day of His Wrath. This is when the Tribulation is about to officially start. We get Raptured somewhere before the Great Day of His Wrath, but don't know when.

I think it's foolish for us to believe that we won't endure any of the things to come. God promises to rescue us before the Tribulation Starts, but he never said we won't endure some of the birth pangs leading the the Tribulation.

I hope everyone re reads Rev. Chap. 4 and read what it is really telling us?

Note: The two prophets are Enoch and Elijah, they HAVEN'T tasted death.

My reply

> > Who Said Rev. 4 chap 1 Is the Rapture??

That Rev. 4:1 is the Rapture is common knowledge among those that study the Bible thoroughly. To me, it is inescapable. John is not the only elder caught up. Twenty three other elders are caught up with him.

> > Rev. 4 verse 1 only talks about the 24 elders clothed in white, not multitudes of people. In Chap. 5, only the four living creatures and the 24 elders proclaimed of being redeemed, again not multitudes of people.

John is one of the 24 elders, which I believe are the 12 patriarchs of Israel and the 12 apostles of Israel. In Rev. 4:4, John is crowned and seated with 23 other elders on their thrones, all part of the First-Trump Rapture. The elders are our Representatives.

Rev. 5:9,10 tells us about all the saints in heaven at that time. It says, "And they (the saints that were raptured) sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and HAST REDEEMED US TO GOD BY THY BLOOD OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION; And hast made us (THE SAINTS OF THE FIRST RAPTURE) unto our God KINGS AND PRIESTS: AND WE SHALL (future tense) REIGN on (epi, on or over) the earth."

When the second Rapture takes place, those people come out of the Great Tribulation. They have to wash their robes, so these are the foolish virgins that were left behind the first time. Notice that they are NOT made kings and priests. They serve in "his temple".

Rev. 7:14,15 says, "These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple".

Along with the foolish virgins are the 144,000 Israelites and a great multitude that cannot be numbered. Rev. 7:9 says, "lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands".

Of the great multitude, the 144,000 Israelites are the only ones allowed to sing the NEW SONG. Rev. 14:3-5 says, "And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."

There are different ranks in the First Resurrection. I Cor. 15:22,23 says, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order (tagmati, rank): Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."

The foolish virgins get a second chance to be raptured, but they do not get another chance to be kings. The wise virgins will be kings.

> >. In Chap. 6 the 4 horsemen are let loose upon the earth to help usher the AC in.

The first horseman is the Antichrist. The 4th horseman is the Satan-possessed False Prophet.

> > Now in Chap. 6 God talks about the Great Day of His Wrath. This is when the Tribulation is about to officially start. We get Raptured somewhere before the Great Day of His Wrath, but don't know when.

The great and terrible Day of God's Wrath ENDS the Great Tribulation. It is one day like no other. It is Jesus' Long Day, of which Joshua's Long Day was the type.

Of Joshua's Long Day, Jos 10:11 says, "And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the LORD CAST DOWN GREAT STONES FROM HEAVEN upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword."

Likewise, on Jesus' Long Day, the Lord will cast down two asteroids (Rev. 8:8-11). The mountain-sized one will impact the Mediterranean Sea. The "star" (aster) will obliterate Babylon, near the Euphrates.

These impacts will turn the Earth upside down, causing Jesus' Long Day. Isa. 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (an asteroid called Wormwood, Rev. 8:11)? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently turn and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

Dan 12:1 says, "And at that time (the Day of the Lord when the False Prophet shall be deposed, see previous verse) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be A TIME OF TROUBLE, SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION EVEN TO THAT SAME TIME: and at that time (the great and terrible Day of God's Wrath, Rev. 6:17,7:1-14) thy people (the 144,000 Israelites) shall be delivered (i.e., raptured), every one that shall be found written in the book."

That great and terrible Day of the Lord will be the time of Jacob's trouble, ONE LITERAL DAY LIKE NO OTHER. Jer 30:7 says, "Alas! for that day is great, so that NONE IS LIKE IT: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it."

Joel 1:15 says, "Alas for the day! for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and as a DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY shall it come."

The Day of the Lord is on one day, the Feast of Trumpets. Joel 2:1-3 says, "Blow ye the TRUMPET in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong (Gog's army); THERE HATH NOT BEEN EVER THE LIKE, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them."

Joel 2:11 says, "And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the DAY OF THE LORD IS GREAT AND VERY TERRIBLE, and who can abide it?"

Of this day, Rev. 6:17 says, "the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" In Rev. 7:14, we see that the Tribulation saints have been caught up to Heaven. In Rev. 8, we see the 7 trumpets given to the 7 angels. God's wrath begins there.

> > God promises to rescue us before the Tribulation Starts

I used to think that too, but we seem to be in the Tribulation already. I had to change my view. It is as John told us.

In the Preview of the Rapture in Rev. 1:9-11, John said, "I John, who also am your brother, and COMPANION IN TRIBULATION, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos (meaning mortal), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (Sunday), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last".

Next Ascension Day will be Sunday, May 29, 2011. It being during barley harvest and on Sunday makes it seem like it will be the day of the First-Trump Rapture.

> > The two prophets are Enoch and Elijah, they HAVEN'T tasted death.

It doesn't mention whether they have tasted death or not. Did Enoch stand by the Lord of the whole Earth? Not that we are told in those words.

What clues are we given? Of the two witnesses, Rev 11:4 says, "These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth."

This ties in with Zech 4:11-14. It says, "What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, THAT STAND BY THE LORD OF THE WHOLE EARTH."

At the Transfiguration, Moses and Elijah stood by the Lord of the whole earth.

Mark 9:2-4 says, "And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain (representing the Rapture) apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them. And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them. And there appeared unto them Elias (Elijah) with MOSES: and they were talking with Jesus."

I think the two witnesses are Moses (representing the dead in Christ) and Elijah (representing the living who are in Christ). Agape

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