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Incoming e-mail, Re: Video of auroras
Food for thought found on Five Doves
Laurie D (24 March 2011)
"JR Church---end of Church age?"
...We have lost a wonderful Christian brother, but Heaven has gained a beautiful saint! Could it be possible that a man who died that was named CHURCH could be a sign that this is the end of the CHURCH age------could this be a 7 day warning before we leave here to join JR and Jesus!!!! Blessings Laurie D
Good news found on Five Doves
Patty Hayes (24 March 2011)
"Mercer: have you googled most recent pics of Babylon?"...
There has been continuous rebuilding and restoration of ancient Babylon. The U.N. has been engaged in the restoration of it. Both Iran and Iraq have kept a respect of it and all want it rebuilt. What I have seen thus far wouldn't take too much longer to finish it out.
as posted on Five Doves
January 30, 2011
As you know, the Gospel of Matthew was written to the JEWS to present Jesus as KING OF THE JEWS. I keep everything in this gospel with Israel in mind. It is in that gospel that Jesus said in chapter 24. ”as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it also be in the days of coming of the Son of Man”. As far as I am concerned in my studies of prophecy when using Matthew, I try to think in terms of Israel in the latter days, not so much the Church. I realize that there are multiple applications, however, in this case I think we need to separate our thinking.
In seeking that which we are all watching for, I was “given in my mind” the message of the 120 years that I have written to you about. Your response is appreciated and so, in answer to your own work identifying the 70th week of Daniel’s prophecy including the “covenant with many” on October 29, 2008, I have been taken with your work. I, myself, have searched diligently since I was saved in 1953, after which I have spent much time and energy in the area of prophecy. I love it. It is my passion, if one can call it that (my wife thinks so). I have searched very earnestly since 1988, as I believed Edgar Whisenant was onto something really big. I know that he was used to give the world a wake up call. I had hoped then for the rapture. You can be sure that I have prayed about your email asking the Lord if I could provide further insight and well, this is what I am impressed to share with you.
It seems to me that if the “sign of Noah” for Israel in these days would be the same count of years, i. e. 120 that Noah experienced from God’s announcement to him to build an ark to worldwide destruction, then 120 years could be the sign for this generation also. In other words, 120 years of 360 days each totals 43,200 days in both instances. In our day, there are exactly 43,200 days from the founding of the Jewish state by Theodor Herzel until the end of the 1,335 days of Daniel’s prophecy. This seems to be the so-called “smoking gun” count that proves where we are today. This means that the Kingdom is near for THEM, NOT US. The end date of December 7, 2015 which is preceded by the most awful tribulation period of 75 days plus 1,260 days, called in the scriptures “the GREAT TRIBULATION”, a time such as never has been before nor will ever be again. (There were 75 more days added by the angel in Daniel 12). The first destruction of the world of Noah was by water in a great flood. The second time in this world of modern Israel, destruction will be by fire, probably nuclear fire. God said it, therefore it will be so.
But, there is possibly another sign given in Genesis, and that is the time Noah spent in the ark. YHWH spent a goodly amount of scripture space to inform us of the time Noah and his family was in the ark after He told them to enter it. From that time until his feet once again touched terra firma was exactly 365 days, or one solar year.
The scripture is clear to divide that year into counts of time from one event to another. When Noah entered the ark, the solar year was 360 days. The conditions on the earth were much better than today with our violent weather and hot and cold days and nights. Further, the orbit of earth around the sun was circular, not elongated as it is now. This gave ideal weather throughout. But whatever happened to disturb the planet also changed the orbit to create a 365.24219 solar year in the year that the ark was afloat. The change did not, however, affect the lunar cycle. It remained 29 ½ days, just as now.
In calculating the time that Noah and his family were in the ark, the following footnote found in the Schofield Reference Bible and confirmed in John Whitcomb’s book “The Genesis Flood” and Henry Morris’ book “The Genesis Record” is reproduced below. It is found on page 13 in his Bible and, of course, in Genesis chapter 7.
“The flood began in the 600th year, 2nd month, 17th day of Noah’s life (7-11). It rained 40 days and nights (7:12);
the waters continued to increase (7:18), reaching their highest point on the 150th day (7:24), which figure includes the 40 days of 7:12. The ark rested somewhere in the mountain range known as Ararat (i.e. Armenia, 8:4) on the 7th month, 17th day (i. e. 74 more days). There followed 40 days before Noah sent out the raven (8:6-7), and three periods of 7 days related to the the three releasings of the dove (8:8-12), compare v. 10 “yet other seven days”). Thus far there are 285 days. The period between the removal of the covering of the ark (601st year, 1st month, 1st day, v. 13) and the third sending forth of the dove is 29 days (deduced by comparing 8:13 with the date of entering into the ark, 7:11). Finally, a comparison of 8:13 with vv. 14-16 indicates a further 57 days wait before Noah and his family went forth to the dry earth, or 371 days in all, which figure agrees when 7:11 is deducted from from 8:14….12 months of 30 days plus 11 days. (The Jews count both the beginning and ending day of a sequence). But the actual elapsed time was exactly a solar year. This is established by multiplying the 12 months of 7:11 and 8:14 by the 29 ½ days which comprise a lunar month. The total is 354 days. Add 11 days (17th to 27th of the second month, 7:11 and 8:14)….a total of 365 days, one solar year.”
I believe that it is entirely reasonable to think that YHWH meant for us to lay this 365 day count over the final year leading up to the revealing of the man of sin, the abomination that makes desolate. There is good reason for this, I believe.
As you know there are two Hebrew years. These are the civil year and the sacred year. The first of these occurs on the Jewish Feast of Rosh Hashana called New Year. The second occurs 14 days prior to the Feast of Passover (Pesach) each and every year. The new year corresponding to 2011 in the civil count for Jewry began last September, but the sacred new year for 2011 has NOT YET BEGUN. It actually starts April 5 at sundown this year. But, Noah and his family ENTERED THE ARK 7 DAYS BEFORE THE 40 DAYS OF RAIN, i. e. 7 days before the 365 days began. Therefore, including the first call into the ark, the total count is extended to 372 days, and appears in the table below:
Call into the
Rain upon the
earth……………………………………………..40 days (sudden destruction 1st day)
Adrift on the waters
Landing on Ararat………………………………………………74 days
Waiting for the recession of water raven sent out………..……40 days
3 doves sent 7 days apart………………………………………...21 days** (3 periods of 7 days)
Third dove returns with olive twig; 22 more days expire……..22 days**
Final wait for dry land…………………………………………..57 days
Exit day…………………………………………………………….1 day
Total days……………………………………………………… 372 days (7 plus 365)
Ron, I think that just as the 120 years works from Theodor Herzel’s founding to Israel’s Kingdom, this 372 days count may work in the year just before the man of sin arises as the abomination that makes desolate. When applied, the timeline divided according to scripture record looks like this:
Apr Apr May Sep Nov Jan Jan Feb Apr Apr
5/6 12/13 22/23 9/10 22/23 1/2 22/23 13/14 10/11 11/12
The year, 2012 is a leap year. This may throw the count off 1 day all the way back to 2011 since only ¼ of a day is assigned to each of the 4 years leading up the the leap day. This is just a convenience of the calendar. The Jewish calendar gives April 18/19 as the Feast of Passover (Pesach) this year. This means that Nisan 1, which is 14 days prior to Pesach, or April 5/6 this year. From this date to April 11/12, 2012 is, guess what?…372 days!
A perfect overlay of the timeframe of Noah’s year onto 2011-2012 yields a most interesting result. I don’t know what occurs or may occur on the different dates based on the above time line, if anything. I this that this is probably a major event schedule for Israel in 2011-12. But I do believe the rapture may well be either April 5/6, or April 12/13, 2011. Also, I wonder if leap year in 2012, which affects this may be one reason that we won’t know the day or hour, let alone the 24 time zones and the 2 days on earth.
All glory to our GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST, TO GOD THE FATHER, AND TO THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO ENLIGHTENS OUR MINDS TO UNDERSTAND.
And, Lord bless your work.
**These are deduced figures as explained in Schofield’s note. Alternately they could be 14 and 29 days signifying a slightly different event in each case. The total, however, is the same….1 current solar year count.
My reply, Re: Gerry Almond: Rapture April 5/6 2011
> > I do believe the rapture may well be either April 5/6, or April 12/13, 2011.
I agree with April 5/6, 2011, but why April 12/13?
I think Christ may come as the latter rain on Tuesday, April 5, 2011, Nisan 1, 5771. He could then take us to Heaven in the Rapture at daybreak Wednesday, April 6, 2011, Nisan 2, 5771, anniversary of the Crucifixion on April 6, 30 AD. Here is how I figured it.
Lets look at Hosea 6:1-3. Israel is speaking. Keep in mind Psalm 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8. The former says, "For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night." The latter says, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."
Hosea 6:1-3 says, "Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. 2 AFTER TWO DAYS (after 2000 years) will he revive us: in the third day (the third millennium) he will raise us up (fulfilled May 14, 1948, when Israel became a nation), and we shall live in his sight. Then (i.e., after 1948) shall we KNOW, if we follow on to know THE LORD: HIS GOING FORTH is prepared as the morning; and HE SHALL COME UNTO US AS THE RAIN, AS THE LATTER (malqosh, spring rain) AND FORMER RAIN (yoreh, autumnal showers) UNTO THE EARTH."
In Israel, the former rain comes on Tishri 1. Jesus was born on Tishri 1 in 5 BC. The latter rain comes on Nisan 1. I think the Second Advent will be on Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016.
Like Jacob's ladder, where the top is Heaven and the bottom is Earth, the Song of Solomon 2:10-17 gives us THE SECRET OF THE STAIRS.
It says, "My beloved (Jesus) spake, and said unto me, RISE UP (i.e., at the first Rapture), my love (the Bride of Christ), my fair one, and COME AWAY (halak, DEPART). 11 For, lo, the winter is past (i.e., it is spring), the rain (i.e., of Nisan 1) is over and gone (so it is now Nisan 2); 12 The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds (spring)is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove) is heard in our land (they come in April);
13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs (i.e., the spring harvest of Olynthos figs is coming soon), and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell (i.e., the grapes are blooming). ARISE, my love, my fair one, and COME AWAY (i.e., at the First-Trump Rapture). 14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock (in Jesus, our rock), in THE SECRET places (leave out places, it isn't in the Hebrew) OF THE STAIRS, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely. 15 Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes (it's spring).
16 My beloved (Christ) is mine, and I (the Bride of Christ) am his: he feedeth among the lilies (verse 2 says, 'AS THE LILY among thorns, SO IS MY LOVE among the daughters'). 17 Until the DAY BREAK, and the shadows flee away, turn, my beloved, and be thou like a roe or a young hart upon the mountains (plural) of Bether (separation, i.e., there are two mountains that represent two Raptures."
Therefore, it seems to me that we just might be caught up at daybreak on April 6, 2011, the anniversary of the crucifixion on Thursday, April 6, 30 AD.
I think the Last-Trump Rapture will be on Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015, just before the two asteroids of Rev. 5:8-11 impact Earth, i.e., when the Wrath of God hits Earth.
> > The end date of December 7, 2015 which is preceded by the most awful tribulation period of 75 days plus 1,260 days, called in the scriptures “the GREAT TRIBULATION”, a time such as never has been before nor will ever be again. (There were 75 more days added by the angel in Daniel 12).
Dan 12:11-13 says, "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away (Mid-Trib), and the abomination that maketh desolate (an idol) set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days (so that year is a leap year, and 5776 is a leap year). 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days (these follow the Second Advent). 13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou (Daniel) shalt rest, and stand in thy lot (inherited plot of land) at the end of the days."
The Great Tribulation is shortened, not made longer. The total days of the Tribulation are 2300. Dan 8:13,14 says, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days (i.e., each made up of an evening and a morning); then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."
Mt 24:22 says, "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."
I think the Second Advent will be Saturday, Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016. Jesus said he was Lord of the Sabbath.
Because 5776 is a leap year with the 13th month, there will be seven months between Tishri 1, 5776 (Day of God's Wrath) and Nisan 1, 5776, the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee years.
Eze 39:12,13 says, "And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. 13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (he will come in glory at the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."
> > The ark rested somewhere in the mountain range known as Ararat (i.e. Armenia, 8:4)
They finally found the boards of the Ark on Mt. Sulieman (the way they spell Solomon) in Iran.
> > The second time in this world of modern Israel, destruction will be by fire, probably nuclear fire. God said it, therefore it will be so.
It won't be nuclear fire. An asteroid as big as a mountain will impact the Mediterranean Sea. Another, called a star, and actually Satan's asteroid Wormwood, will obliterate Babylon on the Euphrates River (Rev 8:8-11, Rev 18:21). The asteroid impacts cause the worldwide earthquake (Eze 38:20) and fire.
> > When Noah entered the ark, the solar year was 360 days.
I think 360-day years, 30-day months, 12 months in a year, are all estimated time. We still use those today when we need to give a ballpark estimate. I figure using regular years and estimated years when indicated.
When Noah could not see the Sun and Moon, he estimated the time. Afterward, we are given exact dates.
> > I wonder if leap year in 2012, which affects this may be one reason that we won’t know the day or hour
I think we can know the day, but not the hour. In Mt 24, the first time Jesus said we did not know the DAY or HOUR. The second time he only said we wouldn't know the HOUR. In Mt. 24:35-44, Jesus said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that DAY AND HOUR knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what HOUR your Lord doth come. 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an HOUR as ye think not the Son of man cometh."
Therefore, Jesus must have given us enough clues to enable us to figure the day, but not the hour. As in the days of Noah are important.
Gen 6:3 says, "And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years." That seems to imply 1897, when the first Zionist Congress met. 1897 + 120 = 2017, as you have pointed out.
There are 2 days on Earth at the same time. There are many different time zones, so us not knowing the hour makes sense. Maybe the Rapture will roll around the Earth with the time zones. He could pull us out at daybreak in one time zone after another.
Wikipedia says, "There are currently 40 world time zones. There are 24 standard time zones plus 16 areas of the world that use time zones divided into 15-30-45 minute increments."
When figuring the last year of the Tribulation, remember that Jesus will return on a Jubilee Year that has to follow a Sabbatic Year. 5775 is Sabbatic, so 5776 seems like a good bet for the Second Advent.
I figure the Jubilee Year will run from Nisan 1, 5776 (Saturday, April 9, 2016) to Nisan 1, 5777.
I like your 1897 + 120 = 2017. I also like 1917 + 50 = 1967, and 1967 + 50 = 2017.
1897 was the first Zionist Congress.
1917 was when the Balfour Declaration was signed.
1967 was when they grew leaves, Sinai, West Bank, Gaza Strip and Golan Heights, and took the Temple Mount in the Six Day War. All point to 2017 as the outer limit.
I think the Day of God's Wrath will be Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015.
The Jubilee would be announced on Tishri 10, 5776, Sept 23, 2015, the Day of Atonement.
The Day of the Second Advent would be Nisan 1, 5776, the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee years.
> > Noah and his family ENTERED THE ARK 7 DAYS BEFORE THE 40 DAYS OF RAIN
But when Noah was closed in the Ark was Cheshvan 17. Gen 7:12,13 says, "And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. 13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark". Agape
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