Pro and Con 1601

Posted 4-13-2011

The Moon under her feet on Tishri 1

This picture in the sky is what Rev 12 is talking about. It happened when Jesus was born. I looked up lots of years, and it happens every four or five years.

I am hoping the Rapture will be May 29, 2011, Ascension Day. Jesus, head of the body of Christ, ascended that day, and shall come in like manner. He was the firstfruit of the barley harvest. We are a kind of firstfruit, probably the remainder of the barley harvest.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Iran's End Time Documentary

Judge for your-self. http://www.aina.org/news/20110329123408.htm

My comments

I went to the Assyrian International News Agency (AINA) 3-29-2011. The news is startling. Below are the highlights. Emphasis and parenthetic remarks are mine.

"The Iranian government has produced a BONE-CHILLING DOCUMENTARY that claims that Ayatollah Khamenei, President Ahmadinejad, and Hassan Nasrallah are talked about in Islamic prophecy as leaders who will wage war to bring about the arrival of the Hidden Imam, which the film says is "VERY CLOSE" TO HAPPENING....

"The purpose of the film is to make the case that IRAN IS PROPHETICALLY DESTINED TO LEAD THE WAR AGAINST ISLAM'S ENEMIES, WHICH IS AS A PRELUDE TO THE APPEARANCE OF THE HIDDEN IMAM, ALSO CALLED THE MAHDI, WHO BRINGS THE FINAL VICTORY FOR ISLAM AND REIGNS OVER THE WHOLE WORLD. It uses current events to argue that "THE FINAL CHAPTER HAS BEGUN" AND THE MAHDI'S ARRIVAL IS IMMINENT. Most disturbingly, it teaches that Khamenei, Ahmadinejad and Nasrallah are the individuals prophesied to make this happen....

"In July 2010, a senior Iranian cleric revealed that Khamenei had told close associates that he had privately met with the Mahdi and was told that he'd arrive before his time as Supreme Leader ends. Khamenei is 71 years old and widely understood to be in poor health, so the GRAND JIHAD that Khamenei believes he must command MUST COME SOON.

"President Ahmadinejad is an End Times character named Shoeib-Ebne Saleh, the film states. He is appointed as the commander-in-chief by Seyed Khorasani (Ayatollah Khamenei). The speaker in the film says that this individual will "move" 72 months (6 yrs) prior to the arrival of the Mahdi and will lead the RECAPTURING OF JERUSALEM on "the threshold of THE COMING. It is unclear if "move" means a physical action by Ahmadinejad or if it means his coming to power in 2005. If it is the latter, then the regime believes the MAHDI IS TO APPEAR BY THE END OF THIS YEAR." (2005 + 6 yrs = 2011)

"Also mentioned is military commander called Yamani, who is to form the army of the Mahdi that will march to Mecca in Saudi Arabia. The film teaches that this is the leader of Hezbollah, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah. These three prophesied Islamic leaders are to wage a war AGAINST THE "ANTICHRIST" AND "THE IMPOSTERS," WHICH ARE SAID TO BE THE UNITED STATES, ISRAEL AND THEIR ALLIES, including Arab leaders. The current uprisings in the Arab world are viewed as the fulfillment of prophecy and confirmation that they are to wage this FINAL WAR against the enemies of Islam....

"It also preaches that the death of Saudi King Abdullah will be a MAJOR SIGN that the destruction of Israel and arrival of the Mahdi are imminent....

"The film says that according to Islamic prophecy, revolutions will happen in the Arab world that rid it of foreign influence and result in a united front to 'reconquer Palestine.' As stated, IT IS TAUGHT THAT AHMADINEJAD WILL ACCOMPLISH THIS. If the film reflects the private views of the Iranian leadership, then it is clear THE REGIME BELIEVES IT IS NOW ON THE PRECIPICE OF LEADING A COALITION TO DESTROY ISRAEL....

"The documentary produced by the Iranian government confirms that it believes a final grand war against Islam's enemies, WHICH WILL CULMINATE IN THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL, is not something to be avoided, but something to be sought."

Hamas steps up war on Israel

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/israel-online/2011/mar/19/iranian-backed-hamas-steps-war-israel/

ISRAEL, March 19, 2011 -- There's always a discussion simmering somewhere about war between Israel and Iran. Who will start it, what arms will be used and by whom, what retaliation will be exacted, what the effect will be on the rest of the region, and so on and so forth.

The central question is usually, "When will the war begin?"

Begin?

???We'd all like to know how close Israel will allow Iran to get to the nuclear threshold before acting preemptively, but let's not mince words. Iran is already at war with Israel, and it is conducting that war through its local proxies, Hamas and Hezbollah.

Found on Five Doves site

Rosaire Clavet (9 Apr 2011)
"huge explosion"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2011/rosairec49.htm

Shalom. Nasa reported a huge explosion of a star in the constellation of the Dragon. Is this a sign for the Dragon, the ancient Serpent? Rosaire Clavet
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I went to:
"Cosmic Fireworks Erupt When Black Hole in Dragon's Belly Swallows Star"
By Katherine Noyes
http://www.technewsworld.com/story/Cosmic-Fireworks-Erupt-When-Black-Hole-in-Dragons-Belly-Swallows-Star-72239.html

Waves emanating from a brilliant explosion in the constellation Draco (Latin for "dragon") -- about 3.8 billion light years from Earth ...

A mysterious cosmic blast in the constellation Draco has astronomers scrambling to try to understand its cause, so unlike is it to anything ever observed before.

Rather than the short-lived gamma-ray bursts typically associated with the death of a massive star -- most last no more than a few hours -- this explosion continues more than a week later to emanate pulses of high-energy cosmic radiation for an effect that's brighter, longer lasting, and more variable than scientists have ever seen.

Palestine State By September 2011 ( UN Mandate )

Obama, Shimon Peres discuss Middle East peace

Abbas urges Mideast Quartet to make a stand

Tue Apr 5 - RAMALLAH, Palestinian Territories (AFP) – Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas has urged the Quartet to issue a clear statement over Israeli settlements when it meets this month...

Abbas had urged the Middle East diplomatic Quartet to publish a statement which calls for an end to settlement activity in the occupied territories and which clearly outlines the terms of reference for peace talks with Israel....

On April 15, key representatives of the Quartet -- which groups the European Union, Russia, the United Nations and the United States -- are to meet in Berlin for top-level talks on the deadlock in the peace negotiations.

Leading Israelis Push For 2 State Solution

with new peace initiativeMany military and security personnel join group pushing for peace treaties with Syria, Lebanon and the Palestinians...

Yaakov Perry, a former head of Shin Bet, the internal security agency, said he hoped that the plan would galvanise the Israeli government in this time of change around the Middle East.

"We are isolated internationally and seen to be against peace," he told the New York Times. "I hope this will make a small contribution to pushing our prime minister forward. It is about time that Israel initiates something on peace."...

It also calls for Israeli withdrawal from the Golan Heights over five years in order to achieve peace with Syria and a peace agreement with Lebanon.

there has been an overall 1500% increase in 7.0 or greater earthquakes world-wide over the past 30 years

http://www.theignorantfishermen.com/2010/07/sign-that-day-of-lord-is-at-hand.html

From 1980 to 1990 the number of earthquakes with a 7.0 or greater was 8.

From 1991 to 2000 the number of earthquakes with a 7.0 or greater was 33.

From 2001 to 2010 the number of earthquakes with a 7.0 or greater was…121!

CARROTS MAY HOLD KEY TO KILLING OFF TUMOURS

A NUTRIENT (Retinoic acid, derived from vitamin A, also rejuvenates the skin)

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/238960/Carrots-may-hold-key-to-killing-off-tumours...

carrots and sweet potatoes may prove a vital weapon against breast cancer in the early stages...

Proof that 30-day months and 1260-day periods in the Bible are estimated time

http://www.godstimeline.net/purims_connection_to_nissan.html

Phil Rogers

> > THERE CAN NEVER BE FOUND 1260 DAYS IN ANY 42 MONTHS

> > There is a reason for “prophetic” days in connection to the 42 months of the "time times and dividing of time" (Daniel 7:25) which is simply stating 1 year, 2 years and a half of a year (3 ½ years). Now since THERE CAN NEVER BE FOUND 1260 DAYS IN ANY 42 MONTHS, which is actually literal and which is in the “general” reference? What is the general reference to the 1260 days? It is that it is referring to 3 and ½ years or 42 literal months, for (again) YOU WILL NEVER FIND 1260 DAYS IN ANY CONSECUTIVE 42 JEWISH MONTHS! AT BEST IT COMES TO 1239 DAYS OR 1269 with the addition of a leap month of Adar!

To prove their point, they prepared a chart for 2011, 2012, 2013, and 2014.

The End of Exorcism

By Marie Henrie (for henrymakow.com)
http://www.henrymakow.com/the_end_of_exorcism.html

The year 1962 saw the opening of the Roman Catholic Second Vatican Council. The Council drew to a close on December 8, 1965.

In 1963, I was in the seventh grade at our local parochial school where my pastor was in charge of our Catechism class. During the Council, he kept us up to date on what was being decided by the Council.

One very important detail remains imprinted in my memory to this day. Father told us the Council had decided that seminarians would no longer be taught the Rite of Exorcism which was, up to this time, a sacramental of the Church.

He said the decision arose from that the new belief that the "Church no longer believed that Satan was an evil entity, but that evil came from the heart of man."

Message on Five Doves site

Tonight, April 5, 2011, my son prayed again and asked Jesus when He's coming and He answered "I am coming in the spring". My son only being 9 is just blown away that he hears Jesus speaking. I am too but so happy and excited when I hear him tell me these messages.

We all need to be asking Jesus the same question because He should be saying the same thing. He is telling us both SPRING. Amanda

My reply

Spring fits Song of Solomon 2:10-17's Secret of the stairs. The turtledoves return to Israel in April and leave in October.

By ERICA WERNER, Apr 5, 2011
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110405/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_israel

As unrest sweeps the Middle East, it's more urgent than ever to make peace between Israel and the Palestinians, President Barack Obama said Tuesday after meeting with Israeli President Shimon Peres.

The meeting occurred even as the U.S. condemned the announcement that new Israeli apartment buildings have been approved for a contested part of Jerusalem, underscoring the grim outlook for peace talks. Palestinians refuse to restart negotiations unless Israel stops building housing in occupied territory that the Palestinians claim for their future state....

"He and I both share a belief that this is both a challenge and an opportunity," Obama said, "that with the winds of change blowing through the Arab world, it's more urgent than ever that we try to seize the opportunity to create a peaceful solution between the Palestinians and the Israelis."

Peres, too, said that it was necessary to return to peace talks.

Incoming email: Star-Eating Black Hole May Be Producing Universe's Biggest Blast

ScienceNOW ^ | 7 April 2011 | Yudhijit Bhattacharjee Posted Sunday, April 10, 2011
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/assets/2011/04/07/sn-galaxy.jpg

Breathing fire. A distant cosmic explosion detected 28 March (left) continues to put out a series of high-energy flares (right). Astronomers believe it's a star being consumed by a black hole 3.8 billion light-years away. Credit: (left, galaxy) ASA/Swift/Stefan Immler; (right, diagram) NASA/Swift/Penn State/J. Kennea

Astronomers have observed possibly the biggest blast ever seen in the cosmos. When NASA's SWIFT space observatory first spotted it 10 days ago, observers thought it was a massive star blowing up as a supernova and expected it to fade within hours or even minutes. But the high-energy radiation from the source has shown no sign of dying down, which suggests that astronomers may have caught a star in the process of being ripped to shreds by a black hole.

..."This is truly extraordinary."

SWIFT's Burst Alert Telescope detected the source of the bursts on 28 March. The Hubble Space Telescope took an image of the source on 4 April, which located the explosions at the center of a galaxy 3.8 billion light-years away....

"We think that there is a dormant black hole there that has accreted a lump of matter—probably a star that has fallen into it," says astrophysicist Neil Gehrels, the lead scientist for SWIFT at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland....

The star's gas has been falling into the black hole, causing enormous amounts of energy to be released in the form of high-energy particles shooting out like a jet.

Although this is not the first time astronomers have witnessed a star being gobbled up by a black hole, the bursts are putting out energy far greater than previously seen. One reason for the extreme brightness could be that the jet of particles shooting out of the black hole is pointing straight at Earth.

Astronomers all over the world are working round the clock to collect more data on the event, and Hubble is snapping more images of the source. "Some spectra have been taken; there's a lot more work to be done on how the spectrum changes over time," Gehrels says. "If it really is a star being torn up, then we'd expect it to fade away in the next few days. If it stays bright for several weeks or a month, that would tell us something different. I'm not sure what that would be."

My reply

Thanks for the information about this sign.

Incoming e-mail, Re: SCRIPTURE SAYS, "AT THAT TIME" THE RAPTURE HAPPENS

Daniel 12:1-3 (NKJV)
"...there shall be a time of trouble (tribulation), such as never was since there was a nation, even to THAT TIME. And AT THAT TIME your people shall be delivered (raptured), every one who is found written in the book. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting contempt."

The above Scripture tells us that the rapture happens "AT THAT TIME" of the "TIME OF TROUBLE".

The Scripture below tells us when the "GREAT (trouble) TRIBULATION" begins:

Matthew 24: (NKJV)
(15)"Therefore WHEN YOU SEE the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place...
(21)"For THEN THERE WILL BE great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be."

According to Your Word, come Lord Jesus!

My reply

> > Daniel 12:1-3 (NKJV)
"...there shall be a time of trouble (tribulation), such as never was since there was a nation, even to THAT TIME. And AT THAT TIME your people shall be delivered (raptured), every one who is found written in the book. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting contempt."

> > The above Scripture tells us that the rapture happens "AT THAT TIME" of the "TIME OF TROUBLE".

We have to read Scripture carefully. When it says, "there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation, even to THAT TIME", it is talking about the great and terrible Day of the Lord, which is the Day of God's Wrath and Jesus' Long Day.

The asteroids of Rev 8:8-11 will impact the Earth that day. The mountain-sized one will impact the Mediterranean Sea, causing a tsunami. Wormwood, Satan's home, will obliterate Babylon near the Euphrates. It will never be rebuilt after that.

On that day, before the asteroids hit Earth, all the remainder that are to be saved will be caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture (Rev 6:17; 7:14). As I understand it, that includes all children, even those in the womb.

Look at Daniel 12:1 again. It mentions "your people." Daniel's people are Israelites. They are the 144,000 Israelites of Rev 7 and 14.

In "your people shall be delivered", the word translated delivered is malat, escape. You are right that it is talking about a Rapture. However, it is the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54, not the First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:16,17.

That last Rapture will be on the Day of Jacob's Trouble. Jer 30:7 says, "Alas! for that day (i.e., ONE literal day, Jesus' Long Day, of which Joshua's Long Day was a type) is great, so that NONE IS LIKE IT: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he (an Israelite) shall be saved out of it."

Of Joshua's Long Day, Jos 10:11-14 says, "And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that THE LORD CAST DOWN GREAT STONES FROM HEAVEN upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword. 12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. 13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. 14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel."

On Jesus' Long Day, the Lord will not hearken unto the voice of a man, but the Lord will fight for Israel.

Of that day, Zec 14:1 says, "Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle (Eze 38); and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, AS WHEN HE FOUGHT IN THE DAY OF BATTLE." That day of battle was Joshua's Long Day.

This globe will be turned upside down on Joshua/Jesus' Long Day.

Isa 24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it UPSIDE DOWN, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof."

Isa 5:30 says, "And in that day they shall roar against them like the roaring of the sea: and if one look unto the land, behold darkness and sorrow, and the light is darkened in the heavens thereof." Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: CONSIDER THIS

As it is with all questions about end-times prophecy, the answer is always found in the Scriptures.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (NKJV)
"Now, brethern, concerning THE COMING of our Lord Jesus Christ AND OUR GATHERING TOGETHER TO HIM, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the Day of Christ had come. LET NO ONE DECEIVE YOU BY ANY MEANS; FOR THAT DAY WILL NOT COME UNLESS the falling away comes first, AND THE MAN OF SIN IS REVEALED, the son of perdition, who opposes and exaults himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, SO THAT HE SITS AS GOD IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD, SHOWING HIMSELF THAT HE IS GOD."

Matthew 24:15
"Therefore WHEN YOU SEE the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, STANDING IN THE HOLY PLACE...
Matthew 24:21
"For THEN THERE WILL BE GREAT TRIBULATION, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be."

Revelation 7:13
"These are THEY WHO HAVE COME OUT of the great tribulation, THEY HAVE WASHED THEIR ROBES AND MADE THEM WHITE IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB."

THE DEFINITION OF: 'harpazo' or 'rapture', according to the KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon and Strong's number 726, is: 'to snatch out', 'to pluck out', 'to catch up' or 'to catch away'. When you replace the phrase "HAVE COME OUT" in (Rev 7:13) quoted above it reads:

These are THEY WHO WERE SNATCHED OUT of the great tribulation....
These are THEY WHO WERE PLUCKED OUT of the great tribulation...
These are THEY WHO WERE CAUGHT UP OUT of the great tribulation...
These are THEY WHO WERE CAUGHT AWAY OUT the great tribulation...

In any case, THEY WERE RESCUED OUT of the great tribulation so that THEY WERE NOT AFFECTED BY IT, THEY DID NOT HAVE TO ENDURE IT, and THEY DID NOT HAVE TO EXPERIENCE IT as God has promised them. Who are they? YBIC

My reply

Re: "departing" instead of "apostacy"

> > As it is with all questions about end-times prophecy, the answer is always found in the Scriptures.

You are so right, and there were no errors in the original manuscripts. However, we read translations of Scripture. They can have errors. We need to compare translations sometimes.

Here is 2 Thessalonians 2 in the World English Bible: 1 Now, brothers (i.e., Christians), CONCERNING the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and OUR GATHERING TOGETHER TO HIM (i.e., at the Rapture), we ask you 2 not to be quickly shaken in your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as from us, saying that the day of Christ (should be day of the Lord) had come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it (the Day of the Lord, which is also the Day of God's Wrath) will not be, unless THE DEPARTURE (i.e., the Rapture on the Day of Christ) COMES FIRST, and the man of sin (the False Prophet) is revealed (second, i.e., Mid-Trib), the son of destruction, 4 he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God. 5 Don't you remember that, when I was still with you, I told you these things? 6 Now you know what is restraining him (i.e., the Holy Spirit in us), to the end that he may be revealed in his own season. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness already works. Only there is one (the Holy Spirit) who restrains now, until he is taken out of the way (at the time of the Rapture). 8 Then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will kill with the breath of his mouth, and destroy by the manifestation of his coming; 9 even he whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 and with all deception of wickedness for those who are being lost, because they didn't receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 Because of this, God sends them a working of error, that they should believe a lie; 12 that they all might be judged who didn't believe the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Here is 2 Thessalonians 2 in the Tyndale New Testament: 1 We beseech you brethren by the coming of our Lord Iesu Christ, and in that we shall assemble unto him, 2 that ye be not suddenly moved from your mind, and be not troubled, neither by spirit, neither by words, nor yet by letter, which should seem to come from us, as though the day of Christ (should be day of the Lord) were at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means, for the Lord cometh not, except there come a DEPARTING first, and that that sinful man be opened (second), the son of perdition 4 which is an adversary, and is exalted above all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that he shall (future tense) sit in the temple of god, and shew himself as god (Mid-Trib). 5 Remember ye not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things?"

Bible Book Summary, 2 Thessalonians Summary, by Jay Smith

"In chapters 2-3, speaking of the return of Jesus Christ, Paul was sure to include the signs and setting that “the man of lawlessness” (the antichrist) had to arrive first, for that to occur, the “restrainer” (Holy Spirit) must be removed from restraining him. The Holy Spirit indwells all believers and when He is removed, all believers will be “caught up” in the clouds with the Lord Jesus" (1 Thessalonians 4:17).

> >.. Revelation 7:13
"These are THEY WHO HAVE COME OUT of the great tribulation, THEY HAVE WASHED THEIR ROBES AND MADE THEM WHITE IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB."

Those are the Tribulation saints that will be caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture. The First-Trump Rapture is found in Rev 4:1. Those saints are seen in Heaven in Rev 5:9. They all sing the new song. Among the Tribulation saints, only the 144,000 can sing the new song.

Rev 14:3-5 says, "And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God." Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: THE 'CONNECTION' BETWEEN 'MATTHEW 24' AND THE 'DANIEL 12'

Matthew 24:
(15)"Therefore WHEN YOU SEE the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place......
(21)"For THEN THERE WILL BE great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be."

Daniel 12:
(1)"And there shall be A TIME OF TROUBLE (tribulation), such as never was since there was a nation, even to that time. And AT THAT TIME your people shall BE DELIVERED (raptured), every one WHO IS FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.
(2)"And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth SHALL AWAKE (resurrect), some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting contempt."

Both (Matthew 24) and (Daniel 12) are telling 'The Church', who are 'watching' during the end-of-days, that "every one who is found written in the book" "shall be delivered (raptured)" "AT THAT TIME" which is "A TIME OF TROUBLE" that begins "WHEN YOU SEE" the abomination of desolation "STANDING IN THE HOLY PLACE" "FOR THEN THERE WILL BE GREAT TRIBULATION".

According to (Matthew 24) and (Daniel 12), come Lord Jesus!

My reply

> > Both (Matthew 24) and (Daniel 12) are telling 'The Church', who are 'watching' during the end-of-days, that "every one who is found written in the book" "shall be delivered (raptured)" "AT THAT TIME" which is "A TIME OF TROUBLE" that begins "WHEN YOU SEE" the abomination of desolation "STANDING IN THE HOLY PLACE" "FOR THEN THERE WILL BE GREAT TRIBULATION".

I don't think the church is in view in Dan 12. It is talking about the Israelites. To understand Dan 12:1, we need to look at some other scriptures. First, look at the preceeding verse, Dan 11:45. There were no chapter breaks in the original. It says, "And he (the False Prophet) shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to HIS END, and none shall help him."

Then Dan 12:1,2 continues. "And at that time (the Day of God's Wrath, when the False Prophet will be deposed) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people (Daniel's people, i.e., the 144,000 Israelites, Rev 7:1-8): and there shall be (future tense, but barely, it's on the same day, Rev 6:17) a time of trouble (God's Wrath), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time (Day of God's Wrath, when two asteroids of Rev 8:8-11 will impact Earth) thy people (the 144,000 Israelites) shall be delivered (malat, escape, leap out, i.e., be raptured), every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake". That is Rapture 2. See Rev 7:1-14.

Of the 144,000 Israelites, and a great multitude no one can count, Rev 7:14 says, "These are they which CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

That Last-Trump Rapture takes place on the Day of God's Wrath (probably Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015) at the end of the Great Tribulation, just before the asteroids impact Earth.

That Last-Trump Rapture of the Tribulation saints, including the 144,000 (I Cor 15:51-54; Rev 7:1-8,14) is not the First-Trump Rapture of the Church (I Thess 4:16,17, Rev 4:1; 5:9).

The first Rapture comes in Rev 4:1, before the little book, the 7-sealed Title Deed of the Earth, is given to Christ, before the first seal is broken in Rev 6. Those saints are in heaven in Rev 5:9.

In Mt 24, Jesus is talking to his disciples, the core of the Church. Verse 3 says, "And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and WHAT SHALL BE THE SIGN OF THY COMING, and of the end of the world?" (lit., the consummation of the age).

He answered their question with the Fig Tree Parable. The SIGN OF HIS COMING and the consummation of the age is when the fig tree, modern Israel, grows leaves (Sinai, West Bank, Golan Heights and Gaza Strip). She did this in the Six-Day War of 1967.

Mt 24:34 says, "Verily (Amen) I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

One generation (48.33 years, Mt 1:17) from the Six-Day War is Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept 14, 2015), the end of this age. I think that is when the Rapture of Daniel 12 will take place, followed by the Wrath of God. The Rapture of the Church will take place before that.

Hosea 9:10 says, "I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the FIG TREE at her first time". We have seen the fig tree at her second time.

Israel grew leaves, Sinai, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights and West Bank, in the Six Day War of 1967. That was the sign of his coming and the consummation of the age.

Mt 24:28 is where Mt 24 and Dan 12 merge. The first Rapture has already taken place. The second Rapture is about to happen. Mt 24:28 says, "wheresoever the carcase (body, i.e., Body of Christ) is (it is already in Heaven), there will the eagles (Tribulation saints of Dan 12:1) be gathered together."

Ex 19:4 ties in. It says, "I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself."

Mt 24:29-31 says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light (Rev 6:12, on the Day of God's Wrath, 6:17), and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, FROM ONE END OF HEAVEN TO THE OTHER."

These are the Church saints in Heaven some time after the first Rapture has taken place.

Then Mark 13:27 says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN."

Those gathered from Heaven are the Church saints that were caught up in the first Rapture. Those gathered from Earth are the 144,000 Israelites and other Tribulation saints. That is the second Rapture, the one Dan 12:1 is talking about. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: THE 'CONNECTION' BETWEEN 'MATTHEW 24' AND THE 'DANIEL 12'

Matthew 24:
(15)"Therefore WHEN YOU SEE the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place......
(21)"For THEN THERE WILL BE great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be."

Daniel 12: (1)"And there shall be A TIME OF TROUBLE (tribulation), such as never was since there was a nation, even to that time. And AT THAT TIME your people shall BE DELIVERED (raptured), every one WHO IS FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.
(2)"And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth SHALL AWAKE (resurrect), some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting contempt."

Both (Matthew 24) and (Daniel 12) are telling 'The Church', who are 'watching' during the end-of-days, that "every one who is found written in the book" "shall be delivered (raptured)" "AT THAT TIME" which is "A TIME OF TROUBLE" that begins "WHEN YOU SEE" the abomination of desolation "STANDING IN THE HOLY PLACE" "FOR THEN THERE WILL BE GREAT TRIBULATION".

According to (Matthew 24) and (Daniel 12), come Lord Jesus!

My reply

> > Both (Matthew 24) and (Daniel 12) are telling 'The Church', who are 'watching' during the end-of-days, that "every one who is found written in the book" "shall be delivered (raptured)" "AT THAT TIME" which is "A TIME OF TROUBLE" that begins "WHEN YOU SEE" the abomination of desolation "STANDING IN THE HOLY PLACE" "FOR THEN THERE WILL BE GREAT TRIBULATION".

I don't think the church is in view in Dan 12. It is talking about the Israelites. To understand Dan 12:1, we need to look at some other scriptures. First, look at the preceeding verse, Dan 11:45. There were no chapter breaks in the original. It says, "And he (the False Prophet) shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to HIS END, and none shall help him."

Then Dan 12:1,2 continues. "And at that time (the Day of God's Wrath, when the False Prophet will be deposed) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people (Daniel's people, i.e., the 144,000 Israelites, Rev 7:1-8): and there shall be (future tense, but barely, it's on the same day, Rev 6:17) a time of trouble (God's Wrath), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time (Day of God's Wrath, when two asteroids of Rev 8:8-11 will impact Earth) thy people (the 144,000 Israelites) shall be delivered (malat, escape, leap out, i.e., be raptured), every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake". That is Rapture 2. See Rev 7:1-14.

Of the 144,000 Israelites, and a great multitude no one can count, Rev 7:14 says, "These are they which CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

That Last-Trump Rapture takes place on the Day of God's Wrath (probably Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015) at the end of the Great Tribulation, just before the asteroids impact Earth.

That Last-Trump Rapture of the Tribulation saints, including the 144,000 (I Cor 15:51-54; Rev 7:1-8,14) is not the First-Trump Rapture of the Church (I Thess 4:16,17, Rev 4:1; 5:9).

The first Rapture comes in Rev 4:1, before the little book, the 7-sealed Title Deed of the Earth, is given to Christ, before the first seal is broken in Rev 6. Those saints are in heaven in Rev 5:9.

In Mt 24, Jesus is talking to his disciples, the core of the Church. Verse 3 says, "And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and WHAT SHALL BE THE SIGN OF THY COMING, and of the end of the world?" (lit., the consummation of the age).

He answered their question with the Fig Tree Parable. The SIGN OF HIS COMING and the consummation of the age is when the fig tree, modern Israel, grows leaves (Sinai, West Bank, Golan Heights and Gaza Strip). She did this in the Six-Day War of 1967.

Mt 24:34 says, "Verily (Amen) I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

One generation (48.33 years, Mt 1:17) from the Six-Day War is Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept 14, 2015), the end of this age. I think that is when the Rapture of Daniel 12 will take place, followed by the Wrath of God. The Rapture of the Church will take place before that.

Hosea 9:10 says, "I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the FIG TREE at her first time". We have seen the fig tree at her second time.

Israel grew leaves, Sinai, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights and West Bank, in the Six Day War of 1967. That was the sign of his coming and the consummation of the age.

Mt 24:28 is where Mt 24 and Dan 12 merge. The first Rapture has already taken place. The second Rapture is about to happen. Mt 24:28 says, "wheresoever the carcase (body, i.e., Body of Christ) is (it is already in Heaven), there will the eagles (Tribulation saints of Dan 12:1) be gathered together."

Ex 19:4 ties in. It says, "I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself."

Mt 24:29-31 says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light (Rev 6:12, on the Day of God's Wrath, 6:17), and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, FROM ONE END OF HEAVEN TO THE OTHER."

These are the Church saints in Heaven some time after the first Rapture has taken place.

Then Mark 13:27 says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN."

Those gathered from Heaven are the Church saints that were caught up in the first Rapture. Those gathered from Earth are the 144,000 Israelites and other Tribulation saints. That is the second Rapture, the one Dan 12:1 is talking about. Agape

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