Pro and Con 1620

Posted 7-21-2011

Storm as wide as Earth rages on Saturn

...Take a look! Storm as wide as Earth rages on Saturn Great White Spot — imaged in unprecedented detail — yields valuable clues

By Charles Q. Choi, 7/6/2011

The Great White Spot on Saturn has been imaged in unprecedented detail and is now yielding clues to how this titanic storm may have formed far earlier than scientists expected.

The staggeringly powerful thunderstorm is about 6,200 miles wide, nearly as wide as Earth, and has a tail of white clouds that encircles all of Saturn.

The storm began forming in the ringed planet's northern hemisphere in December. This is about 10 years early for Great White Spots, which usually recur about every 30 Earth years, when Saturn's northern hemisphere tilts most toward the sun.

Only five similar Great White Spots have been observed in the past 135 years....

The Great White Spot is a massive complex of thunderstorms. Radio waves emitted by electrical discharges there reveal intense and nearly continuous lightning that, at the peak of the storm, can flash 10 times or more per second.

A key mystery regarding Great White Spots is where they get their energy from. Since the spots seem to occur seasonally, researchers had suggested they might be powered by the sun. However, peering into this latest Great White Spot revealed its cloud patterns make sense only if winds "extend deep into the 'weather layer' — a 250-kilometer-thick (155 miles) layer where the main clouds reside, where sunlight does not arrive," researcher Agustin Sanchez-Lavega, a planetary scientist at Higher Technical School of Engineering of Bilbao in Spain, told Space.com. "This points to the action of an INTERNAL HEAT SOURCE as the power for the winds."

Still, questions remain as to how solar heat might help trigger such gigantic storms. One possibility is that energy from the sun triggers atmospheric changes that directly influence the upward flow of heat from deep within Saturn, researchers say.

My comment

I'm glad to see "INTERNAL HEAT SOURCE" and "the upward flow of heat from deep within Saturn." That planet gives off more heat than it receives from the Sun, so I'm glad to see someone considering that there can be an internal heat source.

From a post on Five Doves

Frank R Molver (15 July 2011)
"Yehonatan"s keeper, Sept 2011 start of last 7 years"

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2011/yehonatan714.htm

Excellent post, answering my question re 2012 and 2015 the same day.
Something unusual about this post.
Fits the pattern very well
11 Sept 2011 is the beginning of Palestine separating Israel thru the UN
There are many other factors re that date below.

Pay close attention.

Shalom 5 Doves.. Thought you might like to see the Hebrew Gematria and interpretation.. Keep reading further below for material that I have not seen in your website.. Shalom

THE MESSIACH'S RETURN?? IS IT REALLY CLOSE AT HAND? ..... *_Hebrew texts say that THIS YEAR is VERY important_*..

PLEASE NOTE: these are texts and writings of Hebrew Scholars; THIS IS NOT MY ATTEMPT TO PROPHECY OR DATE SET!! For "WHO KNOWS THE MIND OF THE LORD"..

It is, however, very interesting and I love searching out the mysteries of God.. "[It is] the glory of /God to conceal/ a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a /matter" Proverbs 25.2/

So Let's do away with all the misunderstood MYTHS first...

1. He will come as a thief in the night even to the Christians:

BUT -- 1 Thess 5:4 "But ye, brethren, are /not in darkness/, that that day /should/ overtake /you/ as a thief"

2. Not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself knows when:

BUT - In Jewish wedding tradition, it is customary to respond to a question of when the wedding will occur with "I do not know, not even the angels know but only the Father knows". Simply because the bride's father sets the date of the wedding when he is satisfied that all things are ready. As the big wedding day approaches all is revealed... when the Father gives the all clear, the groom comes with a shout and a trump (Yom Teruah) and takes the bride away for 7 days....

3. No-one knows the day or the hour that He will come: "/no one knows the day/ or /hour/ when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows"..Matt 24:36

BUT - *Yom Teruah –* IS the Jewish Feast of which "no-one knows the day or the hour, not even the angels in heaven know ". Also called: the day of the great shout, the day of awe, the day of trumpets - "THE HIDDEN DAY" .. It is also called: The Time of Jacobs trouble, The Day of the Awakening Blast, Day of Judgment, The Opening of the Books, Opening of the Gates, Yom HaKeseh (The Hidden Day), Ha Kiddushin/Nesuin (Wedding of the Messiah) and Ha Melech (Coronation of the Messiah).

Yom Teruah is called the Hidden Day because, according to custom, God has hidden the day especially from HaSatan and his fallen angels.. The phrase "not even the angels know, nor do I" is a wedding terminology. Basically, if someone asked when the wedding will be, the traditional response is "i don't know, not even the angels in heaven know, but only my father" simply because the Father would decide the day when he saw that everything had been prepared for the bride ("behold I go to prepare a place for you) as per the note above..... or go here for more about the wedding phrase: https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=128611410543399 .

Pentecost is known as the first trump, Yom Kippur is known as the GREAT TRUMP (Isaiah) and Rosh Hashanah (Yom Teruah) is knows as the "Last Trump" (because it involves 100 blasts of the shofar). so when Paul says, "Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed." he is intentionally speaking about Yom Teruah.. (1 Cor 15:51-52)
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REMEMBER.. the feasts are HIS Mo'edim (Appointed Times) . for example::

1. The birth of John – Passover 4BC calculated by scripture and Josephus (a secular historian) references to Herod's death....

2. 6 months later the birth of Christ – Just happens to be the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles Sept 11, 3BC

3. Sept 11, 3BC coincides with moon passing under Virgo (at her feet) with the Sun behind her (wrapping her in its light) etc (as per Revelations woman) – Astronomy.. Get the constellation software and have a look .. its amazing and beautiful..

4. Which gives us the conception of Christ in Mary 9 months earlier – which just happened to be the Festival of Lights (Chanakuh) - December 8th as per Catholic tradition. (they don’t even know why they do it on this day??)

5. The circumcision 8 days later – to fall on the 8th Day Assembly

6. Christ's Death at Passover.

7. Christ's ascension on Mem B'Omer

8. Holy Spirit comes on Pentecost

9. Wesley Revival on Passover 1738

10. Azusa Street Revival on Passover 1906

WHATS NEXT ?? Is there a pattern here we should be aware of ??

11. Yom Teruah – Day of Trumpets – “their will be a trumpet blast” / The Hidden Day – of which no one knows the day or the hour / Usher in judgment / beginning of the other festivals...

According to the ancient HEBREW sages (teachers) there is hidden wisdom in the Tanakh (Old Testament Bible) about the coming 1000 year reign of the MESSIACH (Messiah) and WHEN it will begin.. An interesting date to watch for:
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Jesus said to watch for His return of which no-one knows the day or the hour sooooooooo:

*Yom Teruah –* the Jewish Feast of which "no-one knows the day or the hour" . Also called: the day of the great shout, the day of awe, the day of trumpets - "THE HIDDEN DAY" ..

Consider THIS...... 7 Years of Tribulation – Yom Teruah (29th Sept 2011) to Yom Kippur Day of Atonement (September 20th 2018).. here are the facts....

1. Exactly 2550 Days (7 years) as per Revelation specifications:

2. Yom Teruah (Rosh Hashanah) is the Biblical Feast of which no-one knows the day or the hour (sounds familiar?)..

3. It is also called: The Hidden Day, The day of the great shout, The day of awe, The day of trumpets..The Time of Jacobs trouble, The Day of the Awakening Blast, Day of Judgment, The Opening of the Books, Opening of the Gates, Yom HaKeseh (The Hidden Day), Ha Kiddushin/Nesuin (Wedding of the Messiah) and Ha Melech (Coronation of the Messiah).

4. It is a High Holy Day.. Did Jesus actually say he would be coming back on Yom Teruah? Just as he fulfilled other prophecies on the other Feasts??

5. 7 years also speaks about the baby boy transcending the 7 days and being circumcised on the 8th, the /tzaddikim/ understood this to mean the 7 years of the birth pangs of the Messiah and the fulfillment of his /brit /(Covenant) in the 8th year provoked the idea that birth pains have begun (5778 / 2018AD). The amount of earthquakes, animals dying (birds, beast and fish), floods, pestilence and famine may indicate this is happening.

6. During Temple days, Jews always took three and a half years to read through the Torah in the synagogue. The first of 2 Triennial cycle (for a complete 7 year period) begins in Tishri 1 – Rosh Hashanah 2011 (September 29th)

7. We find this year has something VERY interesting that occurs on the Yom Teruah Feast 2011 - The Mo'edim (appointed times) in the stars show Virgo has the sun behind her and the moon at her feet on September 29th, 2011 as per Revelations vision (coincidence?).

8. Palestine State may seek to divide Jerusalem in Sept 2011 ( a big no no no) "Then I will enter into judgment with them there On behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; And they have divided up My land." Joel 3.2

9. The traditional Jewish Wedding starts with the male betrothed coming with a shout, a trump and then takes the bride away for 7 days of rejoicing - pretrib?

10. Did you know that the Planet/Comet Elenin will pass directly between Earth and the Sun on Sept 28th-30th, 2011. Some suggest that this will black out the Sun for up to 3 days - Just in time for Yom Teruah..

You can play with the JPL dates to see the entry flight here: http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=C%2F2010+X1 (click on "show orbit diagram") ..... Coincidence ??

11. Something to be aware of is that Rosh Hashanah (Yom Teruah) starts on Wednesday evening 28th September, 2011. Beginning on Rosh Chodesh 30th August and continuing until the day before Rosh Hashanah/Yom Teruah, Wednesday 28th September, it is customary to blow the shofar (ram's horn) every day (except for Shabbat). This practice was adopted to awaken us for the coming High Holidays. The custom is to first blow tekiah (?????????), a long single blast (the sound of the King's coronation), followed by shevarim (?????????), three short, wail- like blasts (signifying repentance), followed by teruah (?????????), several short blasts of alarm (to awaken the soul), and to close with tekiah hagadol (????????? ?????????), a long, final blast: this is repeated 11 times on the last day called the "Last TRUMP" (100 blasts on the last day).. I would personally LOVE to believe that the whole world (or maybe even just the Christians) would hear the days of Trumps from Heaven and just be awake, aware and fully prepared for the LAST TRUMP!! Talk about a last minute revival !! I wonder if it will occur this year ?? HOPEFULLY

12. It is very interesting to note that the actual destruction of the Holy Temple took place on a Saturday night whilst the Midrash records that during those dreadful moments the Levites sang the song for Wednesday - /"O Lord God, to whom vengeance belongs; O God, to whom vengeance belongs, shine forth!"/ So why did they not sing the Saturday song?Is it possible that as the Levites stood atop of the mount for the last time, all of a moment they received a final flash of prophetic revelation...?? That maybe, they sang the song of Wednesday as a prophetic insight that once again the clock for Israel's time would once again re-start on a Wednesday (beginning the 7 years of the 70th week of Daniel's vision). The time when all of heaven turns its eyes on Israel as the time of the Gentiles ends??? Maybe even Wednesday 28th September, 2011 (Yom Teruah)?? .. It is just as profound to note that the Jerusalem temple mount was captured on Wednesday, June 7th, 1967...

13. Tishrei 1, 2011 (September 28th Yom Teruah, 2011 the Jewish New Year) will be 64 years since the regathering. 64 is a perfect square 8x8. 8 is the number of new beginnings and resurrection.

*3.5 Years (the mid-tribulation point)– 2014/2015 to 2018*

1. And so the middle point (after the first Hebrew Torah reading Triennial cycle) would land us right when the abomination of desolation is placed in the temple. (the Torah is read every 3.5 years - and is read twice in a 7 year cycle)

2. During Temple days, Jews always took three and a half years to read through the Torah in the synagogue. The first of 2 Triennial cycle (for a complete 7 year period) begins in Tishri 1 – Rosh Hashanah and finishes in the month of Nisan 2015

3. Is this the last time the Torah is read before Israel Repents and seeks Christ as Saviour. So what occurs at this possible mid-point?

4. The coming blood moons of 2014 through 2015. This is the only tetrad in the near future that aligns itself with the Jewish holidays.

5. We find the tetrad blood moons and lunar eclipse all falling on Jewish holidays - 2014 through 2015

Apr 15, 2014 on Passover --

Oct 08, 2014 on Feast of Tabernacles --

Apr 04, 2015 on Passover -- and finally on

Sep 28,2015 on Feast of Tabernacles.

The last few times this occurred there was GREAT change in Israel:

***Lunar Tetrad on Jewish Feasts*

*-*1493 through 1494 **(repulsion of the Jews from Spain during the Spanish Inquisition)**

*-1947/1948 (Israel became a nation)*

*- 1967/1968 (Israel captured Jerusalem)*

*-2014/2015 (WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN)*

*- no more Lunar Tetrad for a LOOOOONNGG time..*

*Which brings us to the year 2018 (5778 for Hebrew Calendar) *.

I could write pages about the year 2018 but I will sum up with these thoughts:

In the Hebrew Year 5778 ( our calendar is 2017/2018)

1. 120 years from the first /Zionist Congress/

2. 100 years since the Balfour Declaration giving Israel the right to be a Nation..

3. 70 Years since Israel declared a State...

4. 50 Years from capture of Jerusalem temple mount.

5. 40 years from the Camp David Accord and Israel's conflict with Lebanon

6. Yovel of Yovels

7. 120 = Length of Years (Gen 6:3)

8. 100 = Bondage

9. 70 = Prophecy Complete and time period for suffering

10. 50 = Jubilee-Release of Debt and Peace (Yovel)

11. 40 = Testing

12. Maybe also its just a co-incidence BUT the photosphere of the Sun, for instance, has an effective temperature of 5778 K (does it represent the Hebrew year 5778 / 2018AD??).

13. The time immediately preceding the appearance of the Messiah will be a time of testing in which the world will undergo various forms of tribulation, called /chevlei Mashiach/ (*??????? ???????????*) - the "birth pangs of the Messiah" (Sanhedrin 98a; Ketubot, Bereshit Rabbah 42:4, Matt. 24:8). Some say the birth pangs are to last for 70 years, with the last 7 years being the most intense period of tribulation -- called the "Time of Jacob's Trouble" / *????????? ???? ????????*(Jer. 30:7). The climax of the "Great Tribulation" (*????? ????????*) is called the great "Day of the LORD" (*????????? ?????????*) which represents God's wrath poured out upon a rebellious world system.

14. According to Hebrew sages, Abraham was born 1948 years after Adam (the birth of a nation), and then the Israel the nation was "born" in 1948 AD (1948 years after the "Second Adam" Yeshua)

15. God’s Covenant with Abraham = 2018 years after first Adam and so will the new world begin 2018AD?

2018 – 1948 = 70 years from Abraham’s birth to Covenant with G-d

2018 – 1948 = 70 years from Israeli Statehood to Messiah

16. The Arizal (Hebrew text) explains that 70 years is the maximum number of years of suffering that an individual can be decreed. If we extrapolate that to a Nation we see that the Babylonian exile of the Jewish nation lasted exactly 70 years and that the year 5778 (2017-18 ce) will be the 70th year of the Israeli nation, formed in 5708 (1948 CE).

I just love how Abraham was born 1948 years after Adam and then Israel was 1948 after Jesus (the second Adam).. haha

17. According to Hebrew history and biblical time-lines, King David was born, 2854 years after Adam. He lived 70 years. The coming year 5778 (our year 2018) is the expected year of the Messiah's Kingdom to come and the end of the world as we know it – according to some manuscripts of Jewish origin. That means that when David was 35 Years old (half his age) the world was also exactly half its age.. i.e the midpoint of David's life was also the midpoint of the history of this world.

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1 Thess 5:4 "But ye, brethren, are /not in darkness/, that that day /should/ overtake /you/ as a thief".

Blessings and Shalom in Yeshua our King and Saviour

My reply

> > PLEASE NOTE: these are texts and writings of Hebrew Scholars; THIS IS NOT MY ATTEMPT TO PROPHECY OR DATE SET!! For "WHO KNOWS THE MIND OF THE LORD"

And yet, in Mark 13:23, Yeshua said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL things." If he foretold ALL things, the clues to figure out when the Rapture will be are in Scripture somewhere. I keep looking.

> > 1. The birth of John – Passover 4BC calculated by scripture and Josephus (a secular historian) references to Herod's death....
> > 2. 6 months later the birth of Christ – Just happens to be the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles Sept 11, 3BC

I don't think you mean that. Christ was born BEFORE Herod died a few days after the eclipse of March 13, 4 BC. I think Yeshua was born on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept 4, 5 BC.

The night of Sept 4, 5 BC, Virgo was clothed with the Sun and the Moon was at her feet. I just checked that again on YourSky, but for some reason, I can't paste the image in here. That sign in Rev 12 shows us that he was born on Trumpets. That sign occurs every 4 or 5 years on Trumpets, but not on Tabernacles. Yeshua was conceived on Hanukkah. Gestation is usually 280 days.

You know a lot about writings of Hebrew scholars. I'm interested in finding out more about those.

I have a question. Do you have any idea when Passover began to be kept on Nisan 15? Lev 23:4,5 shows that it should be Nisan 14. The 7-day Feast of Unleavened Bread started on Nisan 15. They ate unleavened bread 8 days, including Passover.

As you know, in Egypt, the Israelites killed the lamb, put blood on the door frame, roasted and ate the lamb before midnight. That midnight was just 6 hours after Nisan 14 began. If they had waited to kill, roast and eat the lamb on Nisan 15, they would have died at midnight on Nisan 14.

Maybe the Pharisees kept Passover on Nisan 15 after 70 AD, but what about in 30 AD, the year of the Crucifixion? Did the Sadducees keep Passover on Nisan 14, and the Pharisees keep it on Nisan 15 in 30 AD? or did the Sadducees over rule the Pharisees? I wish I knew when and why the Nisan 15 tradition got started. No one seems to want to fix it, and they read Lev 23:4,5. What do they think when they read about Nisan 14?

Here is the problem as far as I can tell. Where the KJV says, "AT EVEN", the Stone Tanach says "IN THE AFTERNOON".

Lev 23:5,6 (KJV) says, "In the fourteenth day of the first month AT EVEN (ereb, dusk) is the LORD'S passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread."
Lev 23:5 (JPS) says, "In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month AT DUSK, is the LORD'S passover."

Lev 23:5 (LITV) says, "In the first month, on the fourteenth of the month, BETWEEN THE EVENINGS is the Passover to Jehovah."

The Apostolic Bible Polyglot says "between the evenings". "InG1722 theG3588 firstG4413 month,G3376 onG1722 theG3588 fourteenthG5065 dayG2250 of theG3588 month,G3376 betweenG303.1 theG3588 eveningsG2073.1 is a passoverG3957 to theG3588 lord .G2962."

Between the evenings means between 3 PM on Nisan 13 and 6 PM when Nisan 14 began. Thus fits Crucifixion Day. About 3 PM on Nisan 13, Yeshua died as the priests started killing the Passover lambs. They had to be roasted and eaten during the first 6 hours of Nisan 14, from 6 PM to midnight.

Lev 23:5,6 (Stone Edition Tanach) says, "In the first month on the fourteenth of the month IN THE AFTERNOON is the time of the pesach-offering to HASHEM. And on the fifteenth day of this month is the Festival of Matzos to HASHEM; you shall eat Matzos for a seven-day period."

Their "IN THE AFTERNOON" seems to be wrong." Do you happen to know where that came from?

> > BUT - *Yom Teruah –* IS the Jewish Feast of which "no-one knows the day or the hour, not even the angels in heaven know ". Also called: the day of the great shout, the day of awe, the day of trumpets - "THE HIDDEN DAY" .. It is also called: The Time of Jacobs trouble, The Day of the Awakening Blast, Day of Judgment, The Opening of the Books, Opening of the Gates, Yom HaKeseh (The Hidden Day), Ha Kiddushin/Nesuin (Wedding of the Messiah) and Ha Melech (Coronation of the Messiah).

I agree. I'm glad it is the day of the Wedding of the Messiah. It is also the great and terrible Day of the Lord, and the day of the Last-Trump Rapture of the Tribulation saints, including the 144,000 Israelites (Rev 6:17; 7:14).

> > 7. We find this year has something VERY interesting that occurs on the Yom Teruah Feast 2011 - The Mo'edim (appointed times) in the stars show Virgo has the sun behind her and the moon at her feet on September 29th, 2011 as per Revelations vision (coincidence?).

No, it is not coincidence, it was planned carefully before the world began. That sign sure makes this particular Feast of Trumpets special. I'm looking forward to that day, hoping it will be the day of the First-Trump Rapture (I Thess 4:16,17). At the end of the Tribulation, the Feast of Trumpets will be the day of the Last-Trump Rapture (I Cor 15:51-54). Thus, both groups would have as a birthstone the sapphire that means heaven.

> > 10. Did you know that the Planet/Comet Elenin will pass directly between Earth and the Sun on Sept 28th-30th, 2011. Some suggest that this will black out the Sun for up to 3 days - Just in time for Yom Teruah..

I didn't think about that. Thanks. What a sign that will be. Sept 28th-30th, 2011 is perfect. Elenin, Earth and Sun lined up March 11, 2011, when a 9.0 earthquake moved Japan's Honshu Island over 8 feet and caused a dreadful tsunami. I read some place that Mercury, Sun and Elenin are supposed to line up on Sept 25, and that Earth, Elenin and Mars are supposed to line up on Sept 26. Great signs even if nothing else happens.

Do you know why the shofar is sounded exactly 100 times on the feast day? I understand that the 100th shofar is the Last Trumpet, and that the First Trumpet is sounded on Pentecost, and the Great Trump on Day of Atonement. However, I don't know why or when that tradition started. I'm trying to find out.

> > it is customary to blow the shofar (ram's horn) every day (except for Shabbat). This practice was adopted to awaken us for the coming High Holidays.

Thanks for telling why. I have read that they do not blow the trumpet on the Eve of Trumpets.

> > I would personally LOVE to believe that the whole world (or maybe even just the Christians) would hear the days of Trumps from Heaven and just be awake, aware and fully prepared for the LAST TRUMP!! Talk about a last minute revival !! I wonder if it will occur this year ?? HOPEFULLY

I hope the First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:16,17 will be on Trumpets Sept 29, 2011, and the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54 will be on Trumpets Sept 14, 2015. The signs are looking good so far.

> > I just love how Abraham was born 1948 years after Adam and then Israel was 1948 after Jesus (the second Adam).. haha

I thought Abram/Abraham was born in 2008 AH. My figures are below. Where did I go wrong? You have an advantage over me, because you know the Jewish writings. Do you have a suggestion of what I should read?

Here is part of my Bible Chronology posted on my web site:

0 AH = 4043 BC = -283 on Jewish calendar. Adam created on last day of 0 AH. New moon was Fri, 17 min, 2 parts, after 4 PM. Since new moon was after noon, New Year Day would have been shifted to Sat., when the Lord rested the 7th day.
1 A.H. = 4043/42 B.C. Beginning of the 40-year Dispensation of Innocence. According to Jewish tradition, Adam was created on Tishri 1, but it seems to me that he was created Friday, September 18, equal to the Jewish Elul 29, the Preparation for the Feast of Trumpets. It could have been just minutes before Tishri 1 began at sunset. I think that God rested from creation Saturday, September 19, equal to the Jewish Tishri 1, the Jewish Sabbath, New Year and Feast of Trumpets. Thus with creation finished, the new "kosmos" began to operate on the Jewish New Year that began Friday evening.
(4042 AH = 2/1 BC, 4043 AH = 1 BC/1 AD, there is no zero year)
40 AH = 4004/3 BC = -243 Jewish. Adam expelled from the Garden of Eden. Beginning of the first 1000-year Day, the 2000-year Age of Gentiles, and the 1616-year Dispensation of Conscience.
130 AH = 3913 BC Seth born when Adam was 130 years old (Genesis 5:3)
235 AH = 3808 BC Enos born when Seth was 105 (Gen 5:6)
282 AH = 3762/61 BC = -1 Jewish
283 AH = 3761/60 BC = +1 Jewish, Jewish calendar
began Oct 7, 3761 BC
325 AH Cainan born when Enos was 90 (Gen 5:9)
395 AH Mahalaleel born when Cainan was 70 (Gen 5:12)
460 AH Jared born when Mahalaleel was 65 (Gen 5:15)
622 AH = 3421 BC Enoch born when Jared was 162 (Gen 5:18)
DOUBLE CHECK: "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam" (Jude 14). None are left out. None can be added. 687 AH = 3356 BC Methuselah born when Enoch was 65 (Gen 5:21)
874 AH Lamech born when Methuselah was 187 (Gen 5:25)
930 AH = 3113 BC Adam died when 930 (Gen 5:5). (He would have passed on the information the Lord gave him to Lamech, who would have passed it on to Noah.) 987 AH = Enoch's Rapture when 365 years old, 669 years before the Flood
1040 AH = 3003 BC. Beginning of second 1000-year Day
1056 AH = 2987 BC Noah born when Lamech was 182 (Gen 5:28)
1558 AH Shem born (Gen 11:10). (Noah born 1056 AH. He was 600 when flood began. Flood was in 1656 AH. Shem was 100 two yrs after Flood, so was 98 when Flood began. Therefore, he was born 1558 AH when Noah was 502)
1651 AH Lamech died at 777 (Gen 5:31), 5 yrs before the Flood
1656 AH = 2387 BC The Flood after Methuselah died at 969 (Gen 7:27), when Noah was 600 (Gen 7:6).
Beginning of the 427-year Dispensation of Human Government
DOUBLE CHECK:Methuselah lived 969 years and then the Flood came, Genesis 5:27. (687 AH + 969 = 1656 AH).
DOUBLE CHECK: Noah was 600 yrs old when the Flood came, Gen 7:6. (1056 AH + 600 = 1656 AH).
DOUBLE CHECK: Adam lived 930 yrs. Methuselah lived 969 yrs. Their lives overlapped 243 yrs. (930 + 969 = 1899 - 1656 to Flood = 243, making any changes difficult)

Post-diluvian Patriarchs
1658 AH Arphaxad born to Shem 2 years after the Flood when Shem was 100 (Gen 11:10)
DOUBLE CHECK: Shem was 100. (1558 AH + 100 = 1658)
1693 AH Salah born when Arphaxad was 35 (Gen 11:12)
1723 AH Eber born when Salah was 30 (Gen 11:14)
1757 AH = 2286 BC Peleg born when Eber was 34 (Gen 11:16)
1787 AH Reu born when Peleg was 30 (Gen 11:18)
1819 AH Serug born when Reu was 32 (Gen 11:20)
1849 AH Nahor born when Serug was 30 (Gen 11:22)
1878 AH = 2165 BC Terah born when Nahor was 29 (Gen 11:24)
1996 AH = 2047 BC Peleg died when 239 (Gen 11:18,19). "in his days was the earth divided," the continents split apart.

Hebrew Patriarchs

2008 AH = 2035 BC Abram born when Terah was 130 (Gen 11:26-32; Gen 12:4; Acts 7:4).
DOUBLE CHECK: Terah was born in 1878 AH and lived to be 205. At his death, Abram left Haran, so he died in 2083 AH when Abram was 75. AH 2083 - 75 = 2008 AH, when Abram was born when Terah was 130. AH 2008 - 130 = 1878 AH, when Terah was born. Dr. Arnold D. Ehlert, head of BIOLA library when I began my studies in earnest, in his "Syllabus of Bible Chronology," said, "Up to this point there is perfect agreement in arriving at the date 2008 A.H. as the date of Abram's birth by Anstey, Panin and Ussher."

> > The coming year 5778 (our year 2018) is the expected year of the Messiah's Kingdom to come and the end of the world as we know it – according to some manuscripts of Jewish origin.

Which MSS? That's interesting. Please tell me more. 2018 might just be an outside limit. To zero in, we may have to do a little more figuring. When Yeshua comes, the Jubilee Year should start, because the Hebrews will be returned to their inherited plot of land. They are promised the Earth forever.

I figure the Jubilee will start on Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016, and last until Nisan 1, 5777, March 28, 2017.

The coming of the Jubilee Year would be announced on the previous Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, 5776, Sept 23, 2015. That would put the Last-Trump Rapture and the Day of God's Wrath on Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015.

To double-check, the Jubilee Year has to be preceeded by a Sabbatic Year. 5775 is a Sabbatic Year, so these figures seem possible, and they fall within your outside limit. The Great Tribulation is to be shortened. Also, the taking of the Temple Mount in the Six-Day War was a big sign. 1967 + 50 = 2017.

Thanks for taking the time to post on Five Doves. I'm interested in what you write. My email address is below if you would like to send your answer both places, as some do. All the best, Agape and Shalom

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\ Re: Marcus (14 July 2011)
"Urgent Rapture Watch!! Signs in the Heavens and Last Warnings
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> > 26 AD-August 1 = Rosh Codesh Elul 27 AD- July 22= Av 2 28 AD- July 10 = Av1

I THINK I KNOW WHY 26, 27 AND 28 AD WERE SPECIAL

Having been conceived on the previous Kislev 24, I think Jesus was born on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 3756, Sept 4, 5 BC. Virgo was clothed with the Sun and the new crescent Moon was at her feet. This only happens every 4 or 5 years.

Haggai 2:18,19 says, "Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month (Kislev 24, Eve of Hanukkah), even from the day that the foundation (Jesus) of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it. 19 Is the seed (Christ, Gen 3:24) yet in the barn? (a saying meaning is she pregnant) yea, as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not brought forth: from this day will I bless you."

Jesus was baptized at about the time of his 30th birthday, the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 3786, in the fall of 26 AD.

The year 3787, 27 AD, was the 49th year of the Sabbatic Cycle. It was the Sabbatic Year that preceded the 50th year, 3788, the Jubilee Year.

On or near the Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, 3788, in the fall of 28 AD, Jesus announced the coming of the Jubilee Year that would start the following Nisan 1, the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee Year.

Luke 4:16-21 tells us what he did on or near that Day of Atonement. It says, "And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the SABBATH DAY, and stood up for to read. 17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears." Agape

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