Pro and Con 1638

Posted 11-16-2011

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Incoming e-mail, Re: May The Truth Be Known, Concerning The Only Wise God! Deut. 6:4 KJV

Praise The Lord Jesus.

The LORD is still saying: Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. St. John 5:39 KJV.

The idea of an "eternal" son of God is not found any place in the Bible, for the record: The doctrine and the entire idea of an "eternal" son is a lie. The son-ship of Jesus Christ began at Matthew 1:21:
21. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from there sins.
22. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23. Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Matthew 1:21-23 KJV.

The son-ship began right there and 1 Corinthians 15:24 shows that the son-ship will end:

21. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 1 Corinthians 15:21-25 KJV.

The Bible says in 1 Corinthians 15:24, "then cometh the end". End of the world? No. End of the age? No. The scripture is talking about the end of the son-ship, because Christ as the "son" and the son-ship will have accomplished it's mission.

The son-ship is a place in time, has a beginning and an ending, so there cannot be any such thing as an eternal son. Oh, we know what the Bible says in Deuteronomy 33:27, "God is an eternal God." In 1 Timothy 1:17, he is an eternal king. There are numerous other scriptures that shows the eternalness of God such as Romans 1:20 which shows his eternal power. There's Ephesians 3:11 which shows that he has an eternal purpose. Hebrews 5:9 shows that he gives us an an eternal salvation. Hebrews 9:12 shows an eternal redemption. Hebrews 9:15 depicts an eternal inheritance. 1 Peter 5:10 indicates that he has eternal glory and just in case it tries to slip away, 2 Corinthians 4:17 says that there is an eternal weight on top of it. So, it ain't going nowhere!

Now let's wrap it up. If you check 1 John 5:20 and St. John 17:3 real close, you will see that although he gives eternal life, nothing is said or implied about "an eternal son!"

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. 1 John 5:20 KJV.

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. St. John 17:3 KJV.

Any talk about an eternal "son" in the word of God is the illegitimate use of an unbiblical term. The purpose of the son-ship is to deal with sin. If there hadn't been no sin, we would never have needed the son. Remember, that's what the son came for. He came to deal with sin. Sin is a serious, deadly disease and "nobody" can deal with it, nobody has a cure for it, but the son.

And since nobody on earth could deal with it, God said I'll go down and deal with sin myself. Now that's the cornerstone of apostolic theology that God himself became a man to deal with sin, because no earthly agency could handle it. There is only one Jesus who was both God and man.

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation 2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV.

My reply

> > The idea of an "eternal" son of God is not found any place in the Bible, for the record: The doctrine and the entire idea of an "eternal" son is a lie. The son-ship of Jesus Christ began at Matthew 1:21"

..., after all this time of reading your emails, where you were teaching people sound wisdom, I can hardly believe what I am reading. You are young (I'm almost 83), but this is such a surprise. If what you are saying was true, we would all be sunk. You have been trying to teach me, now let me teach you. I will mostly just quote Scripture.

First, just listen to Isaiah 45:5 as YHWH thunders, "I AM THE LORD, AND THERE IS NONE ELSE, THERE IS NO GOD BESIDE ME."

Does that mean that Jesus Christ is not God? NO! In John 10:30, Jesus said, "I AND my Father are one."

In Rev 1:8, Jesus said, "I am Alpha AND Omega, the beginning AND the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY."

In Rev 22:13, Jesus said, "I am Alpha AND Omega, the beginning AND the end, the first (YHWH) AND the last (JESUS CHRIST)."

Isaiah 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, AND HIS REDEEMER THE LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH the King of Israel), and I am the last (YHWH the Redeemer, the YHWH of hosts); and BESIDE ME THERE IS NO GOD."

Isa 44:8 says, "Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any."

Isa 44:24 says, "Thus saith the LORD, THY REDEEMER, and he that formed thee from the womb, I AM THE LORD THAT MAKETH (asah, to make out of existing materials) ALL THINGS; THAT STRETCHETH FORTH THE HEAVENS ALONE; THAT SPREADETH ABROAD THE EARTH BY MYSELF". Isa 45:11,12 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH), the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. I HAVE MADE (asah, made out of pre-existing materials) THE EARTH, AND CREATED (bara, created out of nothing) MAN UPON IT: I, EVEN MY HANDS, HAVE STRETCHED OUT THE HEAVENS, and all their host have I commanded."

In Rev 1:8, Jesus said, "I am Alpha (first letter of the Greek alphabet) AND Omega (last letter of the alphabet), the beginning AND the ending, saith the Lord, which is (in the New Testament), and which was (in the Old Testament), and which is to come (at the Second Advent), THE ALMIGHTY."

Rev 1:17 says, "And when I (John) saw him (Christ), I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I AM THE FIRST (YHWH) AND THE LAST (JESUS)".

Rev 2:8 says, "These things saith THE FIRST (YHWH) AND THE LAST (JESUS), which was dead, and is alive".

In Rev 22:13, Jesus said, "I am ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE END, THE FIRST AND THE LAST."

Isa 45:18 says, "For thus saith the LORD (YHWH) that CREATED (bara, to creat out of nothing) the heavens; God himself that formed (yatsar, moulded) the earth and made (asah, made out of existing materials) it; he hath established it, he created (bara, created out of nothing) it not in vain, he formed (yatsar, moulded) it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else."

Isa 45:21-23 says, "THERE IS NO GOD ELSE BESIDE ME; A JUST GOD AND A SAVIOUR; THERE IS NONE BESIDE ME. 22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I AM GOD, AND THERE IS NONE ELSE. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear".

Isa 46:9,10 says, "Remember the former things of old: for I AM GOD, AND THERE IS NONE ELSE; I AM GOD, AND THERE IS NONE LIKE ME, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure".

Isa 47:4 As for our REDEEMER, the LORD (YHWH) OF HOSTS IS HIS NAME, the Holy One of Israel."

Isa 48:12-18 says, "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I AM THE FIRST (LORD of the Old Testament), I ALSO AM THE LAST (Lord of the New Testament). 13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together. 14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The LORD hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans. 15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous. 16 Come ye near unto me, HEAR YE THIS; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and NOW THE LORD GOD (1), AND HIS SPIRIT (2) HATH SENT ME (3). 17 Thus saith the LORD, THY REDEEMER, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. 18 O that thou hadst hearkened to MY COMMANDMENTS (i.e., those given to Christ at Mt Sinai)! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea".

SUMMARY

Jesus is the first AND the last, LORD of the Old Testament AND Lord of the New Testament, He is THE ETERNAL YHWH THE LORD, AND "THE ETERNAL SON OF GOD". Beside him, there is no God. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: May The Truth Be Known, Concerning The Only Wise God! Deut. 6:4 KJV

Mrs. Agee, "For the record, Jesus Christ will not be confine to that body for ever! He is the eternal Spirit which became man/flesh, to die and destroy the works of the Devil!" Then cometh the end. It is a God revealed fact!!!

My reply

In Heaven, we will still see God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Rev 22:1-5 says, "And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of THE THRONE (i.e., one throne) OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB (Christ). 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 And there shall be no more curse: but THE THRONE (i.e., one throne) OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB (Christ) shall be in it; and HIS (singular, ONE PERSON'S) servants shall serve HIM (singular, ONE PERSON): 4 And they shall see HIS FACE (i.e., ONE FACE); and HIS NAME (ONE NAME) shall be in their foreheads. 5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for THE LORD GOD (ONE PERSON) giveth them light: and they shall reign FOR EVER AND EVER."

De 6:4 says, "Hear, O Israel: The LORD (yehovah, Jehovah) our God (Elohim) is ONE (echad, UNITED) LORD (yehovah, Jehovah)". Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: RE: May The Truth Be Known, Concerning The Only Wise God! Deut. 6:4 KJV

My beloved, only believe, this don't come from the seminary. We have the mind of Christ.

Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: where is the house that you build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? Isaiah 66:1 KJV

My beloved Jesus, who is God all by HIMSELF, is bigger than that throne in heaven and that body, the unlearned is trying to confine him to forever!

The arm of the Lord was revealed, made bare to us to deal with SIN! and since God became what he never was, a man, "and never cease from being who he always was, is and ever shall be Psalms 90-1-2; Isaiah 43:10 KJV," to bring the blood that it took, that only he could bring to appease his wrath 1st Cor. 15:20-28 KJV.

And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore "his arm" brought salvation "unto him;" and "his" righteousness, it sustained him.

This is why no man can call him Lord "Jesus is God with a revelation" but by the Holy Ghost.

My beloved to enlighten you on what you have sent to me regarding God and the Lamb I have, I trust, with the mind of Christ.

The Bride of Christ is IN THE THRONE! Not before the throne.

1 Corinthians 15:28 KJV And when all things "included the last enemy death" shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son "that's the bride of Christ in his likeness now" also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God "that same Jesus, who is both Lord and Christ" may be all in all.

When he shall appear, we shall be like him and will see him, the only wise God, as he is.

Who in the world you think the face of Jesus Christ is? We are! We are the light of the world, why? Because He is the light of the world. We are the salt of the earth, why? Because he is the salt of the earth. We are the Lamb of God, Why, because he is the Lamb. Romans 1:20 KJV And they shall be ONE fitly framed together.

The church of the living God! We came forth from Him. Every fruit bearing seed of it's kind. I'm afraid many of us is lacking Bible Salvation! One can not "see" the kingdom of God until they are birth just like the Bible says.

He is KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS! He is the Lamb and we are the Lamb, His name is Jesus, and the bride name is Jesus, He is the Word of God, Spirit and life, God and man, and there is but One throne, and One sat on it and we are One body sitting in the throne, with One Head. My beloved what ever Jesus is we are, we have his DNA Acts 2:38.

Jesus said in St. John 12:24 KJV Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

What kind of fruit did the Lord of glory bring forth after his death burial and resurrection on the cross? In Heaven you will see it. The "glory of God" his prized possession, in the face of Jesus Christ, His bride is His Glory, and when you see her you see Jesus Only, the fruit of his body, Which he has purchase with his "own" blood!

Just keep in mind, where Jesus Christ is now, sitting on the throne, holding it for us until the fullness of time, for us to reign forever with him.

Kings and Priests unto our God! A chosen generation 1st Peter 2:9-10 KJV.

My reply

> > My beloved Jesus, who is God all by HIMSELF, is bigger than that throne in heaven and that body, the unlearned is trying to confine him to forever!

God cannot be confined. He is not even confined to the body of Jesus. He is in Christ, yes, but he is everywhere else too.

John 4:24 (ISV) says, "God is spirit".

John 1:18 (KJV) says, "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

1Jn_4:12 also says, "No man hath seen God at any time."

Jesus is both man and God. The body of a man that stands in one spot cannot hold all of God that is everywhere.

We are given a measure of the Spirit of God when Jesus baptizes us.

Joh_3:34 says, "For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him."

Jesus got all the powers of the Holy Spirit. We did not.

Act 2:38 says, "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

> > My beloved what ever Jesus is we are, we have his DNA Acts 2:38.

Aren't you going a little too far?

I thought that Jesus baptizes us with his Holy Spirit, not his DNA. When Adam was created, the Lord breathed on him the breath of life. That doesn't sound like DNA. Adam was made out of the clay of the Earth. He was a new creation. If Adam didn't have the Son of God's DNA, why would we have it? Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Could you help me

Hi Marilyn,I called you back in 1998 only once and I live in Rockford,Illinois.My name is Jay and obviously wouldnt expect you to remember.I get prophetic dreams that are yet future and one that I have no clue about was one I wondered if you could help me on?I had a 3 dream series and for sake of typing and your time,I will just get to the point.1st dream was about Lords Second Coming in 2018,no actual date other than the year given.These dreams had a full theme and symbols and all but I'm giving you the main jist of the dream.2nd dream was 2015 departure for Laodicean's who believed but had no covering on them.3rd dream was strange.It was about a massive terror attack,no clue where,and at the end of dream a voice said to me add a 13 to the 84.Now,if a voice said to you prophetically add a 13 to 84,HOW WOULD YOU TAKE THAT?

#1 assuming the dream is legitimate,the only thing I could think of was the 84 being months and the 13 being an added month because of leap year? But,in an 84 month periood,would a 13th month be added twice?I'm shooting in the dark here but I believe the dreams are Revelation knowledge by the Spirit because truly,I never believed in a rapture for any part of the Laodiceans UNTIL I SAW IN REV CH 3 an open door offered by Jesus to Laodiceans.The dream is what led me to it in Rev 3 for the Laodiceans.Philadelphian one I always knew about,anyway,if someone said to you,add a 13 to 84,what would you with your knowledge and understanding take that as? I would appreciate anything you have to say about any of this. God bless you and Ed

My reply

I'm almost 83 now, the only one of my immediate family still alive, and my memory is not what it used to be. However, the Lord helps me remember the Bible. You may find it hard to believe, but I do remember you. I remember your accent and that you live in Rockford, nothing about what we discussed though. The reason I remember you is probably because my younger brother is buried in Rockford, IL. He was killed in a Huey helicopter crash in Taiwan. He hit the wall of a box canyon in dense fog in war games with the Chinese. By the time he could see the wall, he had 6 seconds to react. The copter crashed into the wall and burned. My brother wasn't checked out in flying by instruments, and I'm not sure whether or not night flying instruments were even in that copter.

Three died, including his senior officer, who insisted that they fly in that fog. The Chinese had the good sense to call off their part in the games. The engine was replaced the day before, but they don't think that had anything to do with the crash. Everything had checked out ok or they wouldn't have taken off.

I don't know about the 84 and 13, but the rest rings true.

2018 is 1948 (Israel's Independence) + 70 (the normal lifetime of the last generation) Psa 90:10 and Mt 24:32-34. A generation is 48.33 (Mt. 1:17), but a lifetime is considered 70 years.

2018 - 7 (Tribulation) = 2011. I'm hoping for the Rapture Dec. 21, 2011, the first day of Hanukkah, the Feast of Dedication, which also is considered the first day of winter. We might have to include Dec 22, because the winter equinox will be on the 22nd this year. It usually is on Dec 21. There are two days on Earth at one time anyway. Australia is one day ahead of us.

I think the Second Advent will be on the first day of the Jubilee year, Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016. That year will end on Nisan 1, 2017. A Jubilee year has to be preceded by a Sabbatic Year, and 5775 is Sabbatic. It divides by 7 equally.

To understand it, we have to remember that the last half of the Tribulation, the Great Tribulation, is to be shortened or no flesh would be saved (Mt 24:22). I take it that the asteroid Wormwood (Rev 8:8-11) will come in at an oblique angle when it hits Earth. It will set fires in Russia. If it came straight in, Earth might fly apart.

> > 2nd dream was 2015 departure for Laodicean's

I think that's true. The Last-Trump Rapture includes the Laodicean church. It seems to be on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5775, Sept 14, 2015, just before God's Wrath hits Earth that same day (Rev 6:17; 7:14, 8:1f).

Thanks much for reminding me of your dreams. Most seems to ring true. I couldn't have seen that in 1998, but I see it now.

> > God bless you and Ed.

Thanks much. We had a hard day yesterday. He dreams things then thinks they are real. Sometimes things he has heard on TV at the time get mixed in. It is hard to be bedfast about 20 months and not sleep a lot. Agape

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