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From: Five Doves site, Re: Bruce E (5 Jan 2012) "Marilyn"

Marilyn this is fyi...
Blessings as Yeshua succors you in your suffering. Ed is waiting with the King of Kings and the GOOD NEWS is Ed won't wait much longer because i believe Yeshua wants to get married! ! ! \o/

My reply

Thanks.

The morning after my mother's funeral, I awoke and heard her unmistakable voice. She said, "Marilyn! there's no way I'm 84 years old."

That means that Ed is not 87 years old now. I have a picture of him made 5 months after we married. I fully expect to see him looking like that when he comes back with Christ at the time of the Rapture.

Several years ago, our son David dreamed that he and I were going up in the Rapture, without Ed. This is coming true. A steadfast Christian that prayed for a Christian wife, Ed is already with the Lord. Dave and I will rise up and meet Ed, then continue together to meet Christ in the clouds. I do hope it is soon, and I hope we will have a cloud of kin following us.

In the meantime, I hope Ed has a white baby grand piano to play. The time will go fast for him that way, and we are ready to go anytime, the sooner the better. In the meantime, we will keep on doing what the Lord wants us to do.

I haven't been able to see well enough to drive lately, but just now, I realized that I am seeing the computer better than yesterday. Getting rid of the nasty cold I caught may help my eyesight. Lord, thanks, and please cure Dave of bronchitis, in Jesus' name, Amen. Agape

Incoming e-mail, From: Rgreese49@aol.com Re: The Simultaneous Rapture and Sudden Destruction

Below is a post that I wrote 2 or 3 years ago. It is important that we understand that the Rapture and Sudden Destruction are simultaneous. This can be shown through the Scriptures in this post. With all of the abundance of evidence pointing us directly to the Planned Sudden Destruction and the 1st day of the 1335-day Great Tribulation being the very same day of Jan. 28, 2012, it is extremely important that we understand Scripturally that we have every reason to expect our Great Escape, the Rapture of the Bride of Christ, on the EXACT same day. We have 30 days to go. Are YOU ready???

THE SIMULTANEOUS RAPTURE AND SUDDEN DESTRUCTION

In many of my recent posts, I have put the the words SUDDEN DESTRUCTION/RAPTURE together, because I believe they will take place simultaneously. I believe Scripture supports this premise, and I am about to show you why.

Back around 1977, I attended a series of Bible Prophecy meetings put on by Hilton Sutton. Brother Hilton is still teaching on Bible Prophecy, at age 84, as I have seen him on TV recently. I bought every tape he had made at that time, which really triggered my interest in Bible Prophecy. In one of his sermons, I remember quite vividly, he proclaimed that as the nuclear bombs were DESCENDING, the saints would be ASCENDING in the Rapture, at the exact same time. It made a lot of sense to me at the time, and even makes more sense to me now, because my study of the Scripture shows me the same thing.

If we read I Thessalonians 4:16 through 5:9, we learn all about the RAPTURE and some of the details, and we also find the words SUDDEN DESTRUCTION. These verses are all talking about the same subject--the Rapture and Sudden Destruction. Men made the Chapter separations. God did not. It is all one topic discussed here. After Paul gives us the details of the Rapture in I Thess. 4:16-18, he continues on in Chapter 5 on the same subject matter.

We can know this because the very first word in Chapter 5 is "BUT", a conjuction, or a CONNECTING WORD, which connects the last portion of Chapter 4 with Chapter 5. So, the last three very familar verses of Chapter 4 and the 1st 2 verses of Chapter 5 are talking about the Rapture. The first word of the very next verse, verse 3, starts with the word FOR, another connecting word, connecting verse 3 with verse 2, so it is easy to conclude that verse 3 is also referring to the Rapture. Verse 3 says, "...then SUDDEN DESTRUCTION cometh upon THEM...and THEY SHALL NOT ESCAPE."

The next few verses go on to tell us that the children of light, those who are not spiritually asleep, those who are WATCHING, will ESCAPE THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION. These verses tell us emphatically that THE RAPTURE IS AN ESCAPE FROM THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION!!! The two main themes of these verses, THE RAPTURE AND SUDDEN DESTRUCTION ARE INSEPARABLE. They are woven together. They are one and the same event.

Luke 21: 34-35 says, "...and so THAT DAY come upon you unawares. For AS A SNARE, shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of THE WHOLE EARTH." A SNARE is a TRAP. There is no ESCAPING (outside of the Rapture), the TRAP that is being set for the WHOLE EARTH. Nuclear warfare, and the aftermath, will have devastating effects on the WHOLE EARTH. Most of the judgments in the Book of Revelation can be directly attributed to the effects of nuclear war, and the aftermath.

But the GREAT NEWS is that there IS A WAY OF ESCAPE!!! THE RAPTURE IS OUR ESCAPE!!! The very next verse in Luke 21:36 says, "WATCH ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE ALL these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man (Jesus)." Do not let anyone rob you of your blessed hope. I have received some emails recently, trying to rob me of my blessed hope, the Rapture. This verse says TO ESCAPE ALL, not some.

Now that we have entered the 70th Week of Daniel, the judgments in the Book of Revelation have to begin SOON. But, as of yet, they have not started. I am convinced that they will start with the SUDDEN DESTRUCTION/RAPTURE!!! As I am writing this, it looks like the beginning of WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST! When the first nuclear bombs hit, I believe we will be experiencing our SIMULTANEOUS ESCAPE, IN THE RAPTURE, JUST LIKE THESE SCRIPTURES PROMISE US!!! ARE YOU READY TO STAND BEFORE THE SON OF MAN (JESUS)???

In Luke 17:26-27 and Matthew 24:37-39, in the days of Noah, it was business as usual until, "the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all." "And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man (Jesus)." Noah is being referenced in these verses as a type of the Rapture, our ESCAPE FROM THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION.

The next 3 verses, in Luke 17:28-30, it says, "Likewise, also, as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But THE SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and DESTROYED them all. Even thus shall it be in THE DAY when the Son of man (Jesus) is revealed." How much clearer can our Lord make it for us? THE RAPTURE AND SUDDEN DESTRUCTION WILL BE THE SAME DAY!!!

This is why I take my calling as a watchman so seriously. We can rejoice in escaping in the Rapture, but millions upon millions will not have a 2nd chance. They will be destroyed in the Sudden Destruction. We must warn people now that this Sudden Destruction may very well be upon us in the VERY NEAR future. I consider most everyone who reads Five Doves on a regular or semi-regular basis to be a WATCHMAN.

Ezekiel 33:2-6 says, "When I bring a sword upon a land, if the people...set him for their WATCHMAN...If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head. He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul. But if the WATCHMAN SEE THE SWORD COME, AND BLOW NOT THE TRUMPET, AND THE PEOPLE BE NOT WARNED; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the WATCHMAN'S hand."

The current events of the Middle East could quite rapidly escalate into a MAJOR WAR. Pakistan and India, two nuclear powers, even today as I am writing this, haved moved closer to WAR. North Korea and China remain prominent countries with nuclear weapons. Russia's expansionist views are escalating rapidly. Nuclear suitcase bombs likely have been planted in several major U.S. cities, ready to be ignited at the proper signal by Al Quieda. Will our enemies try to simultaneously take out our country and Israel at the same time? Will the Israel--Iran nuclear crisis be the impetus for World War III and the Sudden Destruction/Rapture?

Whatever the SUDDEN DESTRUCTION of the Bible is, it cannot be far away. It will be devastating! It will be horrendous! It will be cataclysmic! Praise God that He has provided a way of escape thru the Rapture of the Church! But how concerned are YOU about your unsaved relatives, friends, and co-workers? How concerned are YOU about your lukewarm, backslidden, compromising, and worldly Christians relatives, friends, and co-workers? I pray that the Lord would give us ALL a burden for people everywhere.

Maranatha! Ron Reese
rgreese49@aol.com

My reply

> > the Planned Sudden Destruction and the 1st day of the 1335-day Great Tribulation being the very same day of Jan. 28, 2012

I have my doubts that the sudden destruction happens at the First-Trump Rapture. I think it happens at the Last-Trump Rapture.

Ron, I know you don't want to discuss things pro and con with me, because you told me that early on. However, I must have my say on this, and you do not need to answer if you don't want to discuss it, because Scripture is plain. Sudden destruction comes upon "them", not upon "us". To whom does "them" apply in I Thess 5?

> > In one of his (Hilton Sutton's) sermons, I remember quite vividly, he proclaimed that as the nuclear bombs were DESCENDING, the saints would be ASCENDING in the Rapture, at the exact same time.

I don't think nuclear bombs will be descending at the Last-Trump Rapture, much less at the First-Trump Rapture. What descends at the last Rapture is Satan's asteroid Wormwood (Rev. 8:11). Gog's army will be attacking Israel. No sane military leader would drop a nuclear bomb on his own army to defeat himself. Only 1/6th of his army will survive. Eze 39:2 says, "And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee".

A mountain-sized piece will probably split off at the Roche Limit, 11,000 miles out. It will hit the Mediterranean Sea and the resulting blast and tsunami will wash Gog's army out of Israel's hair.

> > After Paul gives us the details of the Rapture in I Thess. 4:16-18, he continues on in Chapter 5 on the same subject matter.

> > We can know this because the very first word in Chapter 5 is "BUT", a conjuction, or a CONNECTING WORD, which connects the last portion of Chapter 4 with Chapter 5. So, the last three very familar verses of Chapter 4 and the 1st 2 verses of Chapter 5 are talking about the Rapture.

It is all one passage, the word "comfort" in ! Thess 4:18 and 5:11 shows that, but those addressed are not always the same. The two groups referred to are we and them. What applies to them does not necessarily apply to we.
According to Strong's, the word "but" can be "adversative or continuative".

According to Webster's: "ADVERS'ATIVE, n. A word denoting contrariety or opposition."

According to RB Thieme, "but" denotes change. He knows Greek better than I know English.

> > The first word of the very next verse, verse 3, starts with the word FOR, another connecting word, connecting verse 3 with verse 2, so it is easy to conclude that verse 3 is also referring to the Rapture. Verse 3 says, "...then SUDDEN DESTRUCTION cometh upon THEM...and THEY SHALL NOT ESCAPE."

Yes. 1Th 5:3 is not talking about us. It says, "For when THEY shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon THEM, as travail upon a woman with child; and THEY shall not escape."

In the passage bookended with "comfort" (I Thess 4:17 to 5:11), look for the words "THEY" and "THEM." They do not apply to US. Sudden destruction comes upon "THEM", not upon "US".

1Th 4:18: 5:1-11 "Wherefore COMFORT one another with these words. 1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren (believers), YE have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the DAY OF THE LORD so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when THEY shall say, Peace and safety; then SUDDEN DESTRUCTION COMETH UPON THEM, as travail upon a woman with child; and THEY shall not escape. 4 But YE, brethren (believers), are NOT in darkness, that that day should overtake YOU as a thief. 5 YE are all the children of light, and the children of the day: WE are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let US not sleep, as do others; but let US watch and be sober. 7 For THEY that sleep sleep in the night; and THEY that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8 But let US, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9 For God hath not appointed US to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 Who died for US, that, whether WE wake or sleep, WE should live together with him. 11 Wherefore COMFORT yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do."

> > The next few verses go on to tell us that the children of light, those who are not spiritually asleep, those who are WATCHING, will ESCAPE THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION. These verses tell us emphatically that THE RAPTURE IS AN ESCAPE FROM THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION!!!

I think it is the second Rapture that is an escape from sudden destruction. It happens on the Day of God's Wrath. Rev 6:17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 7:9 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands".

Rev 7:13,14 says, "And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." The Great Tribulation is the last half of the Tribulation.

> > THE RAPTURE AND SUDDEN DESTRUCTION ARE INSEPARABLE. They are woven together. They are one and the same event.

I think the First-Trump Rapture happens some time BEFORE the sudden destruction, but the Last-Trump Rapture happens ON the day of sudden destruction.

> > But the GREAT NEWS is that there IS A WAY OF ESCAPE!!! THE RAPTURE IS OUR ESCAPE!!! The very next verse in Luke 21:36 says, "WATCH ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE ALL these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man (Jesus)."

On this we can agree. Let's go up in the first Rapture. It happens before the Day of God's Wrath arrives. The second Rapture is for the Tribulation saints. We are the Bride saints. We sing the NEW SONG (Rev 5:9) before the first seal of Rev 6 is broken (Rev 6:1).

Rev_8:1 says, "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour."

This silence in heaven and earth is when Jesus is being seated at the Judgment Seat of Christ.

Hab_2:20 says, "But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him."

> > In Luke 17:26-27 and Matthew 24:37-39, in the days of Noah, it was business as usual until, "the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all." "And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man (Jesus)." Noah is being referenced in these verses as a type of the Rapture, our ESCAPE FROM THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION.

> > The next 3 verses, in Luke 17:28-30, it says, "Likewise, also, as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But THE SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and DESTROYED them all. Even thus shall it be in THE DAY when the Son of man (Jesus) is revealed." How much clearer can our Lord make it for us? THE RAPTURE AND SUDDEN DESTRUCTION WILL BE THE SAME DAY!!!

The days of Noah apply to the First-Trump Rapture. The days of Lot apply to the Last-Trump Rapture.

Bless you for striving mightily to understand. Best wishes for the new year. Hope you are right about Jan 28. Agape

From Five Doves site

Frank R Molver (4 Jan 2012) "Jovial re Jubilee 2015-2016"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2012/jovial13.htm

I am going for the 2015-2016 date Joe.
I mean, the other one is depressing.

Rambam (Maimonedies) narrows the Talmudic idea down further by saying that the destruction of the second temple happened in the 15th year of the 9th Jubilee (yovel) period. This would have meant that 55-56 AD was a Jubilee year, going by the reckoning that the Jubilee year is always the 1st year in a 49 year cycle - that is - that the 50th year is also the 1st year of another 7 year cycle. Some people think it is an extra added year - so there's another point of differing interpretations. This problem is easy to solve, because Israel's captivity lasted for 70 years, which we're told was for the failure to observe 70 Sabbaths in a 490 year period. If the Jubilee year was inserted BETWEEN 7 year counts, this would not add up to 70 years. It can only result in 70 years of sabbaths for the land if the Jubilee year does not interupt the counting of the 7 year cycle, which can only happen if the Jubilee year, as the 50th year, is the first year of the 7 year cycle following seven 7-year cycles. So if Rambam was right, the next Jubilee year would be in Tishri 2015 to Tishri 2016.
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Jovial (3 Jan 2012) "When are the Sabbath and Jubilee Cycles? "

History records the Sabbath cycles reasonably well. The Jubilee cycles are more debateable, since as far as I know within Judaisn there is a single source I know of that pins it down to a single year. But let me explain both.

Numerous sources would tell us that the last Sabbatical year was 2007-2008. That puts us in the 4th year of the present 7 year cycle with the next Sabbatical year at 2014-2015. Rambam (Maimonedies) is the only source I know of that narrows down a Sabbatical year. His record of one would suggest the next one is 2015-2016. Interesting how there are a series of blood red moons scheduled for both the next coming Sabbatical year and the next coming Jubilee.

SOURCES

Sabbatical Year

How do we know we are presently in the 1st year of the 7 year cycle that began Rosh HaShanah of 2008? For one, Modern Jewish tradition teaches us this. History also bears witness to this from several sources; Josephus, the book of Macabees and the Talmud all give us a chance to date at least one Sabbatical year and they agree on how the cycle is counted.

Josephus said Herod invaded Jerusalem during a Shabbat Year (Antiquties 14:16:2), and said his 7th year was the Battle of Actium (Ant 15:5:2, Wars 1:19:3). So that sounds like Tishri 38BC - 37BC, Tishri 31BC - 30BC, etc., were Sabbatical Years, since a Sabbath Year was in progress when he attacked that spring, so 6 years later would have been the 6th year of the 7 year cycle in Spring of 31BC. Also, 1Maccabees 6:20,49 records one for the 150th Seleucid period (164-163 BC) which comes out to an integer multiple of 7 from the record by Josephus. So Maccabees and Joseph agree.

Translating this to modern times, we get...

164-163 BC was a Sabbatical year.
38-37BC was a Sabbatical year
So was.... 31-30 AD
24-23 BC
17-16 BC
10-9 BC
3-2 BC
5-6 AD
12-13 AD
19-20 AD
26-27 AD
33-34 AD
....
68-69 AD
.....
1993-1994 AD
2000-2001 AD
2007-2008 AD

was a Sabbatical year, counting 7 years either from the book of Macabees or Josephus. The Talmud (Gemara Taanis 29a) tells us the temple was destroyed the year after a Shmitta, which the majority of historians put at 70AD. This also lines up with Josephus and the book of Macabees. Se we have "checkpoints" in various places from....

164-163 BC from the book of Macabees
38-37 BC from Josephus
68-69 AD from the Talmud

And all of these line up in agreement on when the 7th year are celebrated. So what about the Jubilee Year???

The Jubilee (Yovel) Cycle

Unfortunately, history is a little hazier on the Jubilee. Multiple rabbinical sources disagree on when/how to count it, and even how to apply it. One thing that the rabbis are in agreement on is that the Jubilee Year cannot be celebrated unless all 12 tribes are in the Land - otherwise - the Land cannot be returned to the tribes, which is part of what the Jubilee requirements are all about. So fuzzy problem #1 is how do you count the Jubilee year? Does the count suspend when the 12 tribes are not in the Land? Or does the count continue, but remains unobservable until they return? No one knows the correct interpretation to that question. So before I address the question of when was the last one and where is the count today, the other question is - Does it matter? Because G-d may not be going by the last count anyway. Would we start counting at year 1 if the 12 tribes were to return tomorrow? Or start counting at year 50? Or what? No one knows how G-d looks at this question. And no one is quite sure of where we are in the count either. The last observed Jubilee was before the Assyrian invasion. In fact, maybe even since the death of Solomon, when the two kingdoms split for all we know.

Rabbenu Tam (a Tosafist) writes in Talmud Gittin page 36b that the Jubilee was observed during the Second Judean Commonwealth (ended 70 C.E.). Others disagree and say that the last Jubilee observed was near the end of the First Judean Commonwealth (around 440 B.C.E). Also, see Talmud Arachin page 32b and 33a. So no one really seems to know for sure when the last Jubilee really happened.

Rambam (Maimonedies) narrows the Talmudic idea down further by saying that the destruction of the second temple happened in the 15th year of the 9th Jubilee (yovel) period. This would have meant that 55-56 AD was a Jubilee year, going by the reckoning that the Jubilee year is always the 1st year in a 49 year cycle - that is - that the 50th year is also the 1st year of another 7 year cycle. Some people think it is an extra added year - so there's another point of differing interpretations. This problem is easy to solve, because Israel's captivity lasted for 70 years, which we're told was for the failure to observe 70 Sabbaths in a 490 year period. If the Jubilee year was inserted BETWEEN 7 year counts, this would not add up to 70 years. It can only result in 70 years of sabbaths for the land if the Jubilee year does not interupt the counting of the 7 year cycle, which can only happen if the Jubilee year, as the 50th year, is the first year of the 7 year cycle following seven 7-year cycles. So if Rambam was right, the next Jubilee year would be in Tishri 2015 to Tishri 2016.

Some claim Josephus mentions a Jubilee in 27-28 AD based on a footnote that appears in book 15 chapter 9 of the writings of Josephus as published by Whiston. However, upon close inspection, Josephus did not write the footnote - it was added by the editor. So the footnote does NOT carry the weight of Josephus' ancient authority. It is also not clear whether this footnote is really talking about a Jubilee year or not - it only hints at the idea. Others have theological reasons for concluding that the first year of the Messiah's ministry must have been a Jubilee year due to the wording of the quote He read of Isaiah at the start of His ministry. While it is possible that the wording was suggesting that the first year of His ministry was a Jubilee year, it may not have been. The ambiguity of the text makes that a possible, but not required way to interpret it.

If that was a Jubilee year, it would put the next one at 2036-2037. But again, I have yet to see a conclusive whether the count is suspended when the tribes are absent or merely unobserveable. So no one knows for sure, and the tabulation of the Jubilee year simply is not as easy as the tabulation of the Sabbatical year, based on historic evidence.
Shalom, Joe

My reply to Frank Molver (4 Jan 2012) "Jovial re Jubilee 2015-2016"

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2012/jovial13.htm

Thanks for all this information.

> > I am going for the 2015-2016 date

So am I, and I'll tell you why.

> > Rambam (Maimonedies) narrows the Talmudic idea down further by saying that the destruction of the second temple happened in the 15th year of the 9th Jubilee (yovel) period. This would have meant that 55-56 AD was a Jubilee year, going by the reckoning that the Jubilee year is always the 1st year in a 49 year cycle - that is - that the 50th year is also the 1st year of another 7 year cycle.

The Jubilee cycle is a 49-year cycle. The 50th year is the 1st of the next cycle. Otherwise, the Sabbatic Year cycle would be disturbed. It must march on regularly, 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7. There must be 7 Sabbatic Years (49 years) then the Jubilee without disturbing the count of the Sabbatic Years.

To tell which is a Sabbatic Year on the Jewish Calendar, divide the year by 7. Those that can be divided by 7 equally are Sabbatic Years. The Sabbatic year has been kept track of ever since their calendar started.

Some think the Jubilee Year starts on the Day of Atonement. It doesn't. Who ever heard of the first day of a year starting on the 10th day of its 7th month? The Jubilee Year was to be announced on the Day of Atonement in the 7th Sabbatic Year and begin on the following Nisan 1.

I think the last Jubilee kept was 28 AD, the Jewish 3788. On the annual sabbath, Tishri 10, the Day of Atonement in 27 AD (3787), Jesus stood up in the synagogue in Nazareth and read from Isa 61 to show that the year following 3787 would be the Jubilee. Therefore, the Jubilee was 3788, our 28 AD.

Common sense tells us that there should be no Jubilee to the Jews during the 40 years of probation and testing that followed the Crucifixion. They failed their test and Jerusalem and the Temple were burned. The red strip of cloth did not turn white in any of those years.

Concerning Jesus announcing the Jubilee, Luke 4:16-21 says, "And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day (the Day of Atonement is an annual Sabbath), and stood up for to read. 17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at LIBERTY them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears."

The word "preach" is Strong's G2784, kerusso, Of uncertain affinity; to herald (as a public crier), especially divine truth (the gospel): - preach (-er), proclaim, publish. Jesus was announcing the coming Jubilee Year.

To me, that "acceptable year of the Lord" was the Jubilee, 3788 (our 28 AD). The Jews were dispersed in 70 AD.

A Jubilee had to be kept when Israel was back in her land, so it applies in our days.

Roughing it out on our calendar, the Balfour Declaration was signed Nov 2, 1917 giving the Jews the right to return to their land.

1917 + 49 = 1966
1967 was the Jubilee, and the Six-Day War was that year 1966 + 49 = 2015 I think the Jubilee will start Nisan 1, 5776, Sat. April 9, 2016.

Converting to the Jewish Calendar, 2 November 1917 = 17th of Cheshvan, 5678
5678 + 49 = 5727
5727 + 49 = 5776, and the previous year, 5775, is Sabbatic
1st of Nisan, 5776 = Sat, 9 April 2016

Therefore, I agree with you, and think 5776 is the Jubilee Year.

I expect Jesus to receive his millennial kingdom on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015. That would be the Day of the Lord and the Day of God's Wrath.

The Jubilee would be announced on the 10th of Tishri, 5776 = Wed, 23 September 2015, ten days after the Day of God's Wrath, Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015.

I expect Jesus, Lord of the Sabbath, to return on Nisan 1, 5776, Saturday, April 9, 2016, the first day of the Jubilee, Sacred and Regnal years. Why would the Lord set up a Regnal year if it didn't apply to Christ?

According to Daniel 12:11, that final year must be a Leap Year, because there are 7 months between Tishri 1, the Day of God's Wrath, and the following Nisan 1. 5776 is a Leap Year. Normally, there are only 6 months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1. As far as I can see everything fits 5776.

Let me know if I have goofed anywhere in these figures. My eyesight is fuzzy and my brain forgetful right now. My cold seems to be getting a bit better though, thank you Lord.

I found Ed's picture made in early June after we were married in Jan. 1947. I'm trying to picture him like that rather than when carried out of this house Dec 27, 2011. I'm hoping he will look just like that when he comes back with Christ to get the rest of us. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Frank R Molver (4 Jan 2012) "Marilyn's jubilee"

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2012/marilyna12.htm

Thanks for the wonderful personal letter to the doves.
I think your jubilee will be this year.
Maybe even for all of us.
This ol body can only take so much.

My reply

Thanks. I sure do hope the Rapture is this year. Let me know if you get an inkling of a possible date. Agape An afterthought: Ed died on the 27th. He stopped breathing the day before, but I was able to get him to breathe that time. Since Pentecost is May 27, it is possible that the Rapture could be that day.

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