Pro and Con 1646

Posted 1-9-2012

 

I was glad to see the wing structure of this cute albino Ruby-throated Hummingbird


The day my husband, Ed, died, Tue. Dec. 27, 2011, of Acute coronary syndrome, there was a new Sun-diving comet to mark the day he became absent from the body and present with the Lord (2 Cor 5:8).

"There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial:
but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another....For this corruptible (i.e., terrestrial body) must put on incorruption (the celestial body, at death or at the First-Trump Rapture), and this mortal must put on immortality (when the Body of Christ is complete at the Last-Trump Rapture). So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption (at the first Rapture), and this mortal shall have put on immortality (at the last Rapture), then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory" (1Cor 15:40,53,54).

WILL THE RAPTURE BE ON ASCENSION DAY?

By Marilyn Agee

Acts 1:9-11 says, "And when he (Jesus) had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men (probably Moses and Elijah) stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same JESUS, which is taken up from you into heaven, SHALL SO COME IN LIKE MANNER AS YE HAVE SEEN HIM GO INTO HEAVEN."

Maybe Moses and Elijah will stay on Earth as God's two witnesses after the Rapture takes place.

Ascension Day 2012 seems perfect for the Rapture. We will ASCEND at the Rapture. Ascension Day will be May 17 this year. The number 17 means VICTORY. That sure fits the Rapture. "IN LIKE MANNER" fits the Rapture too, but not the Second Advent, when Christ will be riding a white horse, and we will be following him, not rising up to meet him in the air.

Ten days after Ascension Day is Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit came back to indwell believers in 30 AD. At the Rapture, the Holy Spirit will be removed and the False Prophet can then be revealed. Since the Holy Spirit will again be operating here during the Tribulation, maybe he will again be poured out on believers on Pentecost, especially on the 144,000 Israelites.

As far as I can figure out now, it looks like I will join Ed on Ascension Day, 142 days after he became absent from the body and present with the Lord.

2Co 5:6-8 says, "Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."

During all my years of Bible study, writing books, leading Bible study in our home, posting on the Internet, etc., the only time Ed got the least bit upset was when the college age kids that came to study the Bible stayed past 1 AM. Ed said that we had to stop at 1 AM because he just had to get his sleep. I don't blame him for that, he had to drive 28 miles each way to go to work.

More than that, he always encouraged me in my studies. He bought me my first electric typewriter, a model 40, for my 40th birthday, a big sturdy desk, and later several computers. During the time we ran our drapery business, he started me out on a Mac so I would be up and running quickly. He arranged for the Apple rep to meet with me at the store and show me what I had to know to get started working on my book right away. At that time, he said he wanted to see that book finished before he died. I rewrote that book 5 times. We would leave our store at 11 PM, and I would work on the book till 3 AM. He didn't complain once.

The very day after I finished the 3rd book, he repeated his often-repeated refrain that I should be on the Internet, and took me to the mall and signed me up at Internet in the Mall. I had never heard of HTML, but I searched the Internet, found out what I had to know, and was posting on my website within a month.

Before being drafted into the Army during WW II, he had played the piano for the nightly church services at the Kingsport City Mission run by his aunt and uncle.

His faith in Christ never wavered. He had seen miracles. One day, they all sat down at the long table in the screened in back porch of the City Mission and thanked the Lord for the food they were going to eat. They had no food, but about that time, someone knocked on the back door. You guessed it, they brought food.

I saw one photo taken of his uncle in the back yard of the Mission that had Christ's unmistakable face in an opening between leaves in the tree behind him. His aunt went blind, but still ran the Mission with her daughter's help. One day someone came and said he felt that he should pray for her to be able to see. She did, briefly, and commented on how pretty her daughter was as she stood by the window. Supported by all Kingsport churches, Ed's aunt's picture is painted on the town mural. Ed used to go with his uncle when visiting churches seeking support.

After Ed's father died when he was 4, his mother said, "I took my babies (Ed and his younger brother) by the hand, and we went to church."

I had gone to Ed's church, the First Baptist, when we moved to Kingsport, but my parents moved me back to the Methodist Church when my little brother was baptised. After Ed and I married, I changed back to his church. I liked it better. They taught straight from the the open Bible. That Methodist Church told Bible-based stories. To me, there was a huge difference. After we moved away from Kingsport, I was baptised again in a Baptist Church. I had found out that baptizo meant fully wet, i.e., immersed, and I wanted to be immersed. I had been sprinkled the first time.

From Five Doves

Frank R Molver (7 Jan 2012)
"Marylin re no sudden destruction prior to rapture and reversing age in heaven"

I agree with you re the separate rapture thing.
It does not seem that there has to be sudden destruction before the rapture.

That is not saying that it could happen though.
There is going to be all kinds of disaster till the end So we are in speculation corner

Re seeing Ed as a young man in heaven, I and others have had the same experience.

Why would God give you your old body back anyway?.
My mother passed away several years ago at 86 years old About a year after that I struck my head real hard when I fell backwards on the ice.

I was worried that I would get a subdural hematoma and maybe die Though I had some of the symptoms I was not worried for me but for my family.

Anyway, one night I briefly saw my mother, she had lip stick on and looked as if she were about 20 years old

She just looked at me and smiled and gave me a reassuring look I have heard of others seeing their loved ones who died old as being young.
So what your sensed is real. A little taste of heaven.

My reply

Oh, thank you for the confirmation.

I have a picture of Ed made in June after we married in January. He had just turned 23 at the end of March. I was still 18. I want Ed to look like that when I see him again, maybe at Pentecost, May 27.

My friend in Pensacola said that would be 153 days from Dec 27 and that 153 means preaching of the gospel. I remember the 153 fish. There was some good reason for that number to be recorded. Agape

THERE WAS AN ASTONISHING ACTUAL APPEARING OF THE GLORY OF THE LORD AT DR. DAVID OWUOR'S REVIVAL AT KASARANI, NAIROBI, AUG 23, 2009

Last night, I found this astonishing video of Dr. Owuor's Kasarani Revival http://youtu.be/mFUlJe4_qWE

Flabbergasted, I stopped the video, and called Dave and Brian to come look at the Glory of the Lord. It gave David chills, just looking at it.

There were several healings including healings of cripples, of the deaf, etc., then at the 4:49-minute mark, Dr. Owuor prophecied a visitation of God's Glory, and His Glory did in fact visit the stadium, to the astonishment of all present.

Exodus 40:35 says, “And Moses was not able to enter into the tent of the congregation, because the cloud abode thereon, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle”.

In a preceeding video, rain came down only within the borders of the compound. Amazing.

Today, I found a video of Dr. Owuor teaching on the "deep revelation on the dead raptured 1 and 2," the Rapture of the Church, the Bride of Christ. He quoted Dan 12:1-3. I think that refers to the second Rapture, but I was glad to hear him say, "The Rapture can take place at any time now" in video 1. I think that revival was several years ago, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxS0BMmx7Jo&feature=endscreen&NR=1

From Five Doves, Walt (21 Dec 2011) "RE: the rapture is not going to occur as you have been taught"

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2011/walt1221.htm

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, AND this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

Marilyn Agee, are you to say that when we have put on incorruption that we are still subject to death until we have put on immortality? I am confused. isnt death a form of corruption? I find your work very compelling and I have read it over many times trying to get exactly what you are saying. Thanks for the post. Walt <><

My reply

"RE: the rapture is not going to occur as you have been taught" I'm still wondering what the above means.

> > Marilyn Agee, are you to say that when we have put on incorruption that we are still subject to death until we have put on immortality?

No, because we are promised immortality, we just haven't actually been made immortal yet.

> > I am confused. isnt death a form of corruption?

Yes. But there are bodies terrestrial (corruptible) and bodies celestial (incorruptible).

> > I find your work very compelling and I have read it over many times trying to get exactly what you are saying. Thanks for the post.

I appreciate your kind words.

Basically, as I understand the scriptures, we become incorrupt at EITHER Rapture but actually become IMMORTAL ONLY AT THE SECOND RAPTURE when the entire Body of Christ is completed. That is what happens in the blink of an eye. Here are the scriptures. See what you think.

THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE

Thank God we have hope. 1Th 4:13-18 says, "I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep (i.e., the dead in Christ), that ye SORROW NOT, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so THEM ALSO WHICH SLEEP IN JESUS (i.e., the dead in Christ) WILL GOD BRING WITH HIM (i.e., at the First-Trump Rapture, my husband Ed, in his celestial body, will come with Christ). 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (Old English for precede) them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God (i.e., the first trump): and THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST (i.e., Ed will get his resurrection body): 17 THEN WE WHICH ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN SHALL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS, TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

It is very comforting now to think that I will be caught up together with Ed to meet Christ in the air. I had a dream years ago of Ed and I walking to the huge open door of a large warehouse-like building in heaven. A boy I had brought to the Lord ran up to me and hugged me. He made it by the skin of his teeth. He was killed when he stepped on a mine soon after he accepted Christ. Inside the building were long tables with white tablecloths and benches. We were served food.

THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD...IT IS RAISED IN INCORRUPTION AT EITHER RAPTURE; THERE ARE ALSO CELESTIAL BODIES, AND BODIES TERRESTRIAL

1Co 15:35-44 says, "But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? (i.e., with a celestial body, v. 40, a spiritual body, v. 44) 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 40 THERE ARE ALSO CELESTIAL BODIES, AND BODIES TERRESTRIAL: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. 42 So also is THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD. IT IS SOWN IN CORRUPTION (i.e., a terrestrial body); IT IS RAISED IN INCORRUPTION (i.e., a celestial body): 43 It is sown in dishonour; IT IS RAISED IN GLORY: it is sown in weakness; IT IS RAISED IN POWER: 44 It is sown a natural body (i.e., a terrestrial body); IT IS RAISED A SPIRITUAL BODY (i.e., an incorruptable celestial body). THERE IS A NATURAL BODY, AND THERE IS A SPIRITUAL BODY."

ALL (INCLUDING PAUL) SHALL BE CHANGED AND ACTUALLY BECOME IMMORTAL AT THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE

Now, we are promised immortality. Then, we will actually become immortal.

1Co 15:48-54 says, "As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and THE DEAD SHALL BE RAISED INCORRUPTIBLE, AND WE (INCLUDING PAUL) SHALL BE CHANGED. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption (i.e., this happens at both Raptures), AND this mortal must put on immortality (i.e., this happens ONLY AT THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE, when the Body of Christ is complete). 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." Agape

From Five Doves

Kevin Drake (20 Dec 2011)
"Jacob's Trouble and the 70th Week: 20 years or 21 years...Or Both?"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2011/dec_20_2011.htm

My reply

> > "Jacob's Trouble and the 70th Week: 20 years or 21 years...Or Both?"

To me, the Time of Jacob's Trouble is one literal day. Why? For one thing, no other day is like it. For another, it is the Day of God's Wrath. Let's just look at some verses. To me, it is plain.

Jer 30:7 says, "Alas! for THAT DAY (i.e., one particular 24-hour day) is great, so that NONE IS LIKE IT: it is even THE TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE; but HE SHALL BE SAVED OUT OF IT."

Dan 12:1,2 says of the Time of Jacob's Trouble, "And at that time (i.e., when the False Prophet shall be deposed, Dan 11:45) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be A TIME OF TROUBLE (i.e., Jacob's Trouble), SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION even to that same time: and AT THAT TIME THY PEOPLE (i.e., the 144,000 Israelites) SHALL BE DELIVERED (i.e., raptured, Rev 7), every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake".

Look at Rev 6:17 and some verses in Rev 7.

Rev 6:17: "For THE GREAT DAY (i.e., one day) OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?

Rev 7:3: "Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Rev 7:4: "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

(This is the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54.)

Rev 7:9: "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne (i.e., in Heaven), and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Rev 7:10: "And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb."

Rev 7:13: "And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

Rev 7:14: "And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have WASHED THEIR ROBES, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Rev 7:15: "Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them." Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Subject: Date of the Rapture!!

Thank You So Much for suggesting that the Rapture could be May of this year!!

Hey, I'll have a little more time to clean up our house better!! See Ya'

My reply

I have another idea.

IN LIKE MANNER

Acts 1:9-11 says, "And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men (maybe Moses and Elijah) stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come IN LIKE MANNER as ye have seen him go into heaven."

FORTY

Forty means testing and probation. Jesus ascended on the 40th day of the counting of the omer. He will come back in like manner. If that means when he is coming back for us in the air, the Rapture could be on Ascension Day, during barley harvest. That sure would be a good day for us to ascend. Christ will come riding a white horse at the Second Advent, and we will be following him. That doesn't sound like his coming in like manner as he ascended on Ascension Day. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Were is the Rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem? from

From: Rgreese49@aol.com

WHERE IS THE REBUILT TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM???

By far, the biggest hangup that watchers have, concerning being on the very doorstep to the Rapture and the start of the Great Tribulation is "Where is the Rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem? People are constantly trying to find something that just HAS to happen BEFORE the Great Tribulation can start and the Rapture can happen. Hardly a day goes by, that someone does not write to me, with something that just HAS to happen first.

I have come to the conclusion, that this is a trick of the enemy, to keep us off guard, so that we do not have the sense of urgency that we should have, regarding the extreme lateness of the hour. I will show you in this post, that THERE WILL BE NO REBUILT TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM FOR THE ANTICHRIST. In the eyes of so many Christians, as to why we cannot KNOW the extreme lateness of the hour, here are just a few samples of what I am confronted with every day.

1. No rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem for the Antichrist yet. NUMBER 1 REASON.

2. There is NO Rapture, hence, no Simultaneous Sudden Destruction to worry about. This means that I can continue in my backslidden, worldly, compromising, non-watchful, and lukewarm ways.

3. All Christians are going in the Rapture anyway. Therefore, I do not have to worry about my spiritual walk. The Lord's grace will still allow me to partake in the Rapture. A very untrue and unScriptural and dangerous viewpoint.

4. Israel is not at "peace and safety" right now, therefore, Ezekiel 38--39 cannot take place yet. Therefore, we are not close to Sudden Destruction/Rapture. I may post on this in the near future (We do not have much future left before this event). I strongly disagree with this viewpoint.

5. There has to come a "great revival" first, and that has not happened yet, so we cannot be all that close.

6. The gospel HAS to be preached to the whole world first, and then the end shall come. This has not happened yet, in their mind, so certainly we must have a few more years left.

7. There has to be a 7-year peace treaty involving Israel first, so we cannot be anywhere near the last half of the Final 7 Years. This is a pre-conceived idea and teaching, that has swept the Christian world, and has proven to be totally false. I subscribed to this position for years, and even taught on it. THERE WILL NEVER BE A 7-YEAR PEACE TREATY, AS WE ARE NOW LESS THAN 4 YEARS FROM THE RETURN OF CHRIST, TO SET UP HIS MILLENNIAL KINGDOM!!!

8. We cannot be that close to the end because the Antichrist cannot be Obama, because the Antichrist will not be revealed until after the Rapture. A few months ago, I posted on "The TWO Revealings of the Antichrist". He has been "revealed" to many discerning Christians, starting Oct. 29, 2008, the very first day of the Final 7 Years. His official "revealing" to the whole world will come on April 11, 2012, the midpoint day of the Final 7 Years, when he recovers from his fake death (the mortal head wound) on Apr. 7, 2012, Feast of Passover, the same day of the year that the real Christ died. He believes he is the real Messiah, and tries to imitate Jesus Christ. He will become Satan Incarnate on Apr. 11, 2012, the date of his faked resurrection. His 1260-day reign will end on Feast of Atonement, Sept. 23, 2015, 1260 days later, when Jesus Returns at the Battle of Armageddon, and sets up His Millennial Kingdom.

9. "No man knows the day and hour", and "Jesus is Coming as a Thief in the Night". Therefore, nobody will have any idea when Jesus is coming back. It is a complete waste of time to try to figure it out. How very sad, and displeasing to the Lord, and totally unScriptural, this type of very prominent thinking in the church world is. Please read my latest two posts on this topic. They can be viewed on my website at:

www.TheFinal7YearsAreHereNow.com

10. So-and-so teaches this and this other so-and-so has had this vision or dream, which put the coming of our Lord down the road a bit, so our Lord's Coming cannot possibly be at the door, because he, or she, is a real man, or woman, of God. And, this other real good Prophetic scholar is teaching a timeline that ends down the line a little bit, so I really do not have to worry too much about my spiritual walk right now. I have a little bit more time to enjoy THE CARES OF THIS LIFE. After all, no Christian is perfect. We all have our sins. Another Satanic trick that so many are sadly, and dangerously, falling for.

Whatever your reason for NOT believing that the Rapture, and the start of the Great Tribulation, are AT THE DOOR, allow the Holy Spirit to help you discard them immmediately. They are a trick of the enemy, to keep you from believing the REAL TRUTH, WHICH IS THAT JESUS IS ABOUT TO RETURN, AND SUDDEN DESTRUCTION IS ABOUT TO STRIKE OUR PLANET IN AN UNBELIEVABLE AND CATACLSYMIC FASHION!!!

Whatever Satan has put in your mind that HAS to happen first, discard it in Jesus' name. It is NOT coming from God. These pre-conceived ideas, and well-intentioned teachings, are robbing the Body of Christ, even most watchers, of the TRUTH. Progressive revelation is proving these teachings to be FALSE.

Right NOW, every Christian, who is walking close to the Lord, should have A SENSE OF URGENCY LIKE NEVER BEFORE. YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWING THE HOLY SPIRIT TO INSTILL IN YOU AN OVERFLOWING JOY AND PEACE, IN EXPECTATION OF HIS SOON RETURN. YOU SHOULD BE MOTIVATED LIKE NEVER BEFORE TO SERVE HIM, TOTALLY SURRENDER TO HIM, WORSHIP HIM, AND YIELD TO HIS WILL AND ALLOW HIS POWER TO FILL YOU, FOR SERVICE.

TO EVERY CHRISTIAN RIGHT NOW WHO IS RECEIVING THIS MESSAGE, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO FULFILL YOUR CALLING AS A WATCHMAN, TO WARN THE PEOPLE OF THE EXTREME LATENESS OF THE HOUR. LET'S MAKE A LAST-DITCH EFFORT, TO BE FILLED WITH HIS SPIRIT, AND WALK IN THE SPIRIT, SO THAT OUR LORD MAY EQUIP US TO GET AS MANY SOULS INTO THE KINGDOM, BEFORE IT IS ETERNALLY TOO LATE!!!

2nd Thessalonians 2:4 says, "...so that he (the Antichrist), as God, sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God." As far as I can determine, this false set-in-concrete doctrine of a rebuilt Temple for the Antichrist, comes solely from this one verse. It is always dangerous to establish a doctrine from one verse. I am not writing this post to try to tell you the proper interpretation of this verse. But I am going to tell you that I am convinced that the elaborate 3rd Temple of Ezekiel 40--48 will NOT be rebuilt for the Antichrist. Jesus would NEVER reign in a Temple which the Antichrist had defiled. When Jesus Returns to earth, on Feast of Atonement, Sept. 23, 2015, He will set up the construction of His Own Temple.

Okay, brother Ron, so what is this Scripture in Thess. telling us? My answer is that I do not know. I believe that progressive revelation will make that known. All I am doing in this post, is telling you that there are several other options, and one of them is likely to be correct. Here are four good options:

1. This COULD be a spiritual Temple. Sherry Vance does an EXCELLENT job in expounding, in great detail, her theory on the how the Temple, in which the Antichrist will dwell, will be a spiritual Temple, not a physical Temple. Please read her two very well-written posts below:

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2011/sherryv831-1.htm
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2011/sherryv831-2.htm

2. Perry Stone and Michael Boldea are of the persuasion, that this Temple, in which the Antichrist sitteth, is the United States. I received an email, which, in part, is given to you below:

I am writing you the email to tell you about a video I saw a while back of Perry Stone's. In the video he shows how America is a perfect match for a copy of the "so-called" Temple, and he explains why.

This video was really amazing. Let"s just suggest that a third Temple does not get rebuilt, at all, in Israel. Than where is the Temple located at during the Trib hour? Do you see where I am going with this? Obama stands up in the midst of the Temple and proclaims himself God? Could the midst of the Temple be America, where he resides as the President? If you are interested in what I am saying, than I suggest that you give Perry a call, and ask to see this video. And one last thing. Recently posted, on the Doves, was a prophecy from Michael Boldea, for America, that a big earthquake knocks down the Golden Gate bridge. In the prophecy, God says, "My wrath is ready to be poured out, for sin has overrun My Temple.” Does the Lord actually say, in this prophecy, that America is his Temple? Check it out here.
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2010/deborah729-1.htm

3. The Antichrist, Barack Hussein Obama, is a Muslim. Perhaps the Temple in the Holy Place, where he will dwell, is the Dome of the Rock, the Holy Place for the Muslims on the Temple Mount.

4. I sat in amazement in the mid-1990's, listening to the late J.R. Church, at a Prophecy Conference in Florida, expound on why he did not believe there would be a rebuilt Temple for the Antichrist. He told us that the word "Temple" in the Greek, could just as easily be translated a Tabernacle. He said a Tabernacle could be constructed in a matter of days, as opposed to years, and how he suspected that this would turn out to be the case, for the Antichrist, in Jerusalem.

These are probably not all of the other good options. But, fellow Christians, there simply is NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR THE SPIRITUAL JEWS TO BE BUILDING AN ELABORATE TEMPLE. In less than 14 weeks, the remnant, the called-out Jews, will be fleeing the Antichrist, to the wilderness (Petra?). There are other options, as to a rebuilt Temple, for the Antichrist. This set-in-concrete doctrine has been probably the biggest hang-up for Christians to get past, of all the pre-conceived ideas and teachings. I am here today to tell you emphatically that this concrete is breaking up, and that this is NOT a true doctrine. Discard it in Jesus' name.

It, along with many other false doctrines, will rob you of your Blessed Hope, which is that Jesus can come for us at any time. Do NOT continue to set other events BEFORE the coming of our Lord. Many of you reading this have continued to this day, to be looking for some other event to take place, and NOT looking for the Lord to come and get us in the Great Escape, the Great Deliverance, the Rapture of the Bride of Christ. This has been a very deceptive device of Satan himself. Do NOT take part in it any longer.

I believe, with all of my heart, that we have EVERY REASON TO EXPECT OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR TO RETURN ON JAN. 27--28TH OF THIS YEAR. It is inconceivable to me that the New World Order elite, and the Word of God, can both have overwhelming evidence pointing to the very same day, unless that is indeed THE DAY. Frankly, I see no other time for the Planned Sudden Destruction and the start of the 1335-day Great Tribulation to take place.

So, for the first time in my life, I am ALL IN for a date. Yes, I know that I have been close before. But I never felt the peace and joy that I am experiencing now. I have never felt the exhilaration that I am currently experiencing in my spirit. I am totally convinced that it is coming from the Holy Spirti. We have also simply run out of options. Mathman has proven, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that Obama will begin His 1260-day reign on Apr. 11, 2012. Mathematically, it simply can be no other day.

I believe, through 3 years of progressive revelation, that the Lord has led me to the REAL DEAL date. It has NOT been His will to reveal this date too far in advance to anybody. Most Christians could not handle it, too far in advance. The NWO evidence is overwhelmingly pointing us to the date of Jan. 27--28, 2012. The Scriptural evidence is amazingly pointing us to the very same day. How can any of us NOT be expecting it to take place on this day?

This is our prayer, oh Lord. "Even so, come, Lord Jesus. We welcome Your Returning with open arms. We humbly ask You to help prepare each one of us to be part of the Bride of Christ. Reveal to each one of us if we are ready, or not ready. If we are ready, give us a peace, and equip and empower us to help get others ready. If we are not ready, reveal that to us by the power of your Holy Spirit. Then, give us the desire, and the power, to do what you show us we need to do, to get ourselves ready, to be part of that glorious Bride of Christ. In the Blessed name of our Soon-Coming King of Kings, and Lord of Lords, Jesus Christ. Amen." Maranatha! Ron Reese

My reply

The materials are all gathered to build the basic Temple. The priests have been trained on how to build it and say they can now do it in 3 months.

Even though the Temple area had been under construction 46 years, the priests built the Temple building itself in a year in Herod's day.

The False Prophet could sit in the Temple on the day of its dedication. It doesn't sound impossible. I haven't given up on it.

You are right, this will not be the same as the Millennial Temple described in Ezekiel.

BTW, the Temple can be built in the space between the Al Aksa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock. I think that was where it was in the first place. The back wall lined up with the Wailing Wall. There are trees and a fountain in that area now.

Study the water system, where the aquaduct entered the Temple Mount and turned south, and where the cascading cisterns are placed to keep the running water pure. When you look at the diagram of the cisterns, keep in mind that the bedrock in which they were cut kept going downhill from north to south. It was a good water system. The aquaduct was on a gentle grade from around Bethlehem to the Temple, but it had an 100 ft. siphon built into it to keep the water flowing. Study the water system and I think you will know where the Temple belongs.

The rock under the Dome of the Rock wouldn't even fit in the Holy of Holies. Look up the measurements of both. To me, there is no way the Temple was built where the Dome of the Rock is now. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Nicole (7 Jan 2012) "To Adam Amos: You are right about 2019"

Check out the charts in the Heavens, you are right on target. 2012 is the year of the Trumpet Blast, the Year of the Rapture.
http://christian2018.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/signs_2010v10.pdf
http://www.sonoma.edu/users/v/vegalu/eschatology_files/Decade.pdf
http://www.sonoma.edu/users/v/vegalu/eschatology_files/reich.pdf

My reply

"To Adam Amos: You are right about 2019"

2012 + 7 = 2019, but the Great Tribulation is to be shortened, or no flesh would be saved.

I think the Second Advent will be on Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016. That will be the first day of the Jubilee Year, the Sacred Year and the Regnal Year.

A Jubilee year must be preceeded by a Sabbatic Year, which is 5775. To go beyond that, we have to add another 7 years. That doesn't seem possible, and it leaves out 2019. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Ray Schulz (7 Jan 2012) "NO RAPTURE BEFORE ANTICHRIST HAS BEEN REVEALED"

Second Thessalonians 2:1-3 clearly states that "our gathering" unto Christ will not happen until after the antichrist has been revealed:

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

(2 Thess. 2:1-3)

Many of us have our own idea of the antichrist's identity, but this does not constitute his revealing. Revelation 13:1-3 describes the revealing of antichrist, and we should not anticipate the rapture of the Church any time before that event happens. He has not yet been "revealed."

When will the antichrist be revealed? According to my calculations (which are detailed in my article, The Double-Fulfillment of Daniel 9:25) Jesus Christ will return on Yom Kippur 2015 (September 23). Since the antichrist's 42-month reign (Rev. 13:5) will end when he is cast into the lake of fire upon Christ's return, he must be "revealed" 42 months before that to begin his reign in the March-April 2012 time frame. Others have been more specific about these dates. For example, Ron Reese calculates "the chosen day for the antichrist to recover from his mortal head wound, and start his 1260-day reign" to be April 11, 2012.

Conclusion: let's not be looking for the rapture until Revelation 13:1-3 has taken place. Perhaps that will happen in late March or early April of this year. Ray SchulzLook Up! Ministries

My reply

> > Second Thessalonians 2:1-3 clearly states that "our gathering" unto Christ will not happen until after the antichrist has been revealed:

> > Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

There are two mistakes in translation in this passage in the KJV. The "day of Christ" should be day of the Lord. After the KJV was finished, older manuscripts were found that had day of the Lord (as in the RSV). The other mistake is "a falling away first". It should read "departing first," i.e the Rapture comes before the son of perdition, the Satan-possessed False Prophet, is revealed.

The Geneva Bible (1537) has that part right. 2Th 2:1-4 says, "Nowe we beseech you, brethren, by the comming of our Lord Iesus Christ, and by our assembling vnto him, 2 That ye be not suddenly mooued from your minde, nor troubled neither by spirit, nor by worde, nor by letter, as it were from vs, as though the day of Christ (should be day of the Lord) were at hand. 3 Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come A DEPARTING FIRST (that's the First-Trump Rapture), and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition, 4 Which is an aduersarie, and exalteth him selfe against all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that he doeth sit as God in the Temple of God, shewing him selfe that he is God."

Here is 2 Thess 2 in the Tyndale New Testament (1534): 1 We beseech you brethren by the coming of our Lord Iesu Christ, and in that we shall assemble unto him, 2 that ye be not suddenly moved from your mind, and be not troubled, neither by spirit, neither by words, nor yet by letter, which should seem to come from us, as though the day of Christ (should be day of the Lord) were at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means, for the Lord cometh not, except there come a DEPARTING first, and that that sinful man be opened (second), the son of perdition 4 which is an adversary, and is exalted above all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that he shall (future tense) sit in the temple of god, and shew himself as god (Mid-Trib). 5 Remember ye not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things?"

Coverdale (1535) says, "excepte the departynge come first".
Cranmer (1539) "excepte ther come a departynge fyrst".

> > According to my calculations (which are detailed in my article, The Double-Fulfillment of Daniel 9:25) Jesus Christ will return on Yom Kippur 2015 (September 23).

I think Christ will return on the first day of the Jubilee Year. That year would be announced on the Day of Atonement, Sept 23, 2015 and begin on Nisan 1, 5776, Sat. April 9, 2016. No year starts on the 10th day of the 7th month. It starts on the 1st day of the 1st month. That will be the first day of the Jubilee Year, the Regnal Year and the Sacred Year.
Here is 2 Thessalonians 2 in the World English Bible: 1 Now, brothers (i.e., Christians), CONCERNING the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and OUR GATHERING TOGETHER TO HIM (i.e., at the Rapture), we ask you 2 not to be quickly shaken in your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as from us, saying that the day of Christ (should be day of the Lord) had come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it (the Day of the Lord, which is also the Day of God's Wrath) will not be, unless THE DEPARTURE (i.e., the Rapture on the Day of Christ) COMES FIRST, and the man of sin (the False Prophet) is revealed (second, i.e., Mid-Trib), the son of destruction, 4 he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God. 5 Don't you remember that, when I was still with you, I told you these things? 6 Now you know what is restraining him (i.e., the Holy Spirit in us), to the end that he may be revealed in his own season. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness already works. Only there is one (the Holy Spirit) who restrains now, until he is taken out of the way (at the time of the Rapture). 8 Then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will kill with the breath of his mouth, and destroy by the manifestation of his coming; 9 even he whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 and with all deception of wickedness for those who are being lost, because they didn't receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 Because of this, God sends them a working of error, that they should believe a lie; 12 that they all might be judged who didn't believe the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Stabilizing proof: a Jubilee Year is preceeded by a Sabbatic Year, and 5775 is a Sabbatic Year. It divides by 7 evenly.

ROUGHING OUT THE JUBILEE YEAR ON THE GREGORIAN CALENDAR

The Jubilee cycle is a 49-year cycle. The 50th year is both the Jubilee Year and the first year of the next cycle. Thus the Sabbatic and Jubilee years stay aligned properly.

Israel had to be in the land. In 1917, the Balfour Declaration was signed giving the Jews the right to return to the land.

1917 + 49 = 1966, so the Six-Day War of 1967 was in a Jubilee Year 1966 + 49 = 2015, so 2016 will be a Jubilee Year. Nicole (7 Jan 2012)

I hope this helps. Agape

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