Pro and Con 1647
These are special pictures of my husband Ed, who died Dec 27, 2011. The first is the best picture I have of him. He was in his 40s then. The one where he is holding David was taken when he was 30. Dave was born 1 week after he was 30. I think this is approximately how he will look when I see him again. He should look like he did when somewhere between 20 and 30. We will both be laughing when we see each other again, hopefully on Ascension Day, Thursday, May 17, 2012, as acted out for us by the Lord Jesus Christ, who will come in like manner as he went into Heaven on Ascension Day. That will be 92 days from now, a mere blip out of a lifetime. We only missed our 65th wedding anniversary by 19 days. Dave said that we were perfect for each other, and he's right. We aim to stay together forever.
When we believers get our resurrection bodies, we will all be young again. Job 33:25 tells me that "His flesh shall be fresher than a child's: he shall return to the days of his youth". What a wonderful God we have. His plans for us are perfect. As tough as it is to do without Ed for awhile, I know that all things work together for good for those who love the Lord. We will be ok in the end, and Ed is better off now than he was here when he couldn't get out of bed.
Thirteen days after he died, my computer died. I learned a valuable lesson. Don't put so many Bibles on my computer. My son chipped in and bought me a new computer with more memory than I had. I was using Windows XP. Now I have to get used to Windows 7 and learn how to use the updated Coffeecup HTML editor I just received. My grandson laughed and said that modern technology was my enemy now. It takes time, but eventually I will resume where I left off.
I hope to join Ed in heaven on Ascension Day, May 17, 2012. I think that will be the day of the First-Trump Rapture. Seventeen means VICTORY. That fits. I think Nov 8/9 2012 is Mid-Trib, so there needs to be a gap between the Rapture and Nov 8 for the 144,000 Israelites, sealed and energized by the Holy Spirit on Pentecost, May 27, to spur the building of the Temple. Everything is ready, even the priest's garments. It only takes 3 months to build the Temple. As I understand it, they have been practicing somewhere along the road to Jericho.
FOOD FOR THOUGHT
If the False Prophet is to be revealed Nov. 8/9, 2012, then the Antichrist is already in power. Who do you think he is?
"Roman Catholics see the pope as Christ's vicar, which means, substitute. The pope's Latin title is Vicarius Filii Dei, which means "Substitute for the Son of God." In the Greek, "antichrist" simply means "in the place of Christ" Thus, by very definition, the pope IS the antichrist."
"The word "Pope" means "Father." The word "Father" as a title was forbidden by Jesus Christ: "And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven."
TWO IMPORTANT CLUES,
ONE FOR THE DATE OF THE RAPTURE,
THE OTHER FOR THE DATE MOSES COMES DOWN
“I BARE YOU ON EAGLES’ WINGS AND BROUGHT YOU UNTO MYSELF” (Ex 19:4)
“SO MOSES WENT DOWN” (Ex 19:25).
By Marilyn Agee, posted 2-24-2012
I recognized these clues on 2-21-12, an interesting date. There’s that 21 several people saw. I’m excited. I can hardly wait to tell the good news.
I think the dead in Christ will be raised up on Sunday, both Easter and Firstfruits, April 8, 2012. These do not fall on the same day every year, but they do this year. I think the Rapture will take place 40 days later, on Ascension Day, Thursday, May 17, 2012. Two people I know of said the Rapture would be on Thursday. It looks like they are right. I think Moses will come down on Pentecost, Sunday, May 27, 2012. Previously, I had thought that Moses would come down at the time of the Rapture, but according to these clues, the Rapture will take place before Moses comes down. Here is the way it looks now.
Dead in Christ rise Sunday, April 8, 2012
Ex 19:1-6 says, “In the third month (Sivan 1, because the same word means new moon and month), when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day (Sivan 1) came they into the wilderness of Sinai. 2 For they were departed from Rephidim, and were come to the desert of Sinai (i.e., Mt. Sinai is not in the mountains, it is Jebel Helal), and had pitched in the wilderness (the Wilderness of Shur, which runs along the Mediterranean Sea); and there Israel camped before the mount. (There is room for that huge camp between Mt. Jebel Helal and the sea, but there isn't room around Jebel Musa up in the mountains). 3 And Moses went up unto God, and THE LORD CALLED UNTO HIM out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel; 4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians (something has happened to Egypt in our days too), and how I bare you on eagles' wings and brought you unto myself".
Rapture of the foolish virgins, May 17, 2012
Moses and Elijah's return, Pentecost, May 27, 2012
That is past tense. It sounds like the Rapture will be before Sivan 1, and Pentecost is Sivan 6. I think the Rapture will be on Ascension Day, May 17, 2012, ten days before Pentecost. Verse 5 says, "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then YE SHALL BE A PECULIAR TREASURE UNTO ME ABOVE ALL PEOPLE: for all the earth is mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a KINGDOM OF PRIESTS, and an holy nation.”
The wise virgins are to be KINGS AND PRIESTS too (Rev 5:10). I think the Lord was planting a clue in Ex 19:4 that the First-Trump Rapture would be before Pentecost. Why else would he say, “I BARE YOU ON EAGLES’ WINGS AND BROUGHT YOU UNTO MYSELF” before Sivan 6, Pentecost, had come? Israel actually went to Mt. Sinai on foot.
We are supposed to look for clues. In Mark 13:23, Jesus said, “But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.” Many say that we can’t know the day or hour, but that was present tense. On that day, no one knew. Our days are different. I think I have found an important clue. I keep thinking of what Dan 12:10 says, “none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.” We are approaching our due date, when the Bride of Christ will be born into a new world.
1 Thess 5:4-6 says, “ But ye, brethren (believers), are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.”
Isa 40:31 says, "But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."
Psa 103:5 says, "Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's."
Rom s11:25 says, “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.”
We are a kind of firstfruits, the barley harvest. Jas 1:18 says, “ Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.”
We are not the wheat harvest, which starts at Pentecost and ends at the Feast of Trumpets. Ex 34:22 says to Israel, “thou shalt observe the feast of weeks (Pentecost), of the firstfruits of wheat harvest.”
“LET NOT THE PRIESTS AND THE PEOPLE BREAK THROUGH TO COME UP UNTO THE LORD...SO MOSES WENT DOWN”
Only Moses went up unto God at Mt. Sinai. Neither the people nor the animals could come up to the mountain. If they had, they would have died. To me, that is not a picture of the Rapture, but on that day, Moses arrived at the top of the mountain and was immediately told to GO DOWN. His descent seems to have played out the return of Moses and Elijah on Pentecost.
Ex 19:10-25 says, “And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes: 11 And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD WILL COME DOWN in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai. 12 And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying, Take heed to yourselves, that ye GO NOT UP into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death: 13 There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount. 14 And MOSES WENT DOWN from the mount (i.e., from Sinai, meaning Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, i.e., Heaven, where Jesus’ throne is located, Eze. 1:1,26-28) unto the people, and sanctified the people; and they washed their clothes. 15 And he said unto the people, Be ready against the third day: come not at your wives. 16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled. 17 And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount. 18 And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly. 19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice. 20 And the LORD came down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and the LORD called Moses up to the top of the mount; and Moses went up. 21 And the LORD said unto Moses, GO DOWN, charge the people, lest they break through unto the LORD to gaze, and many of them perish. 22 And let the priests also, which come near to the LORD, sanctify themselves, lest the LORD break forth upon them. 23 And Moses said unto the LORD, The people cannot come up to mount Sinai: for thou chargedst us, saying, Set bounds about the mount, and sanctify it. 24 And the LORD said unto him, Away, GET THEE DOWN, and thou shalt come up, thou, AND AARON WITH THEE (as Moses and Elijah will ascend): but LET NOT THE PRIESTS AND THE PEOPLE BREAK THROUGH TO COME UP UNTO THE LORD, lest he break forth upon them. 25 So MOSES WENT DOWN (i.e.,it looks like Moses and Elijah, God’s two witnesses, will come down to Earth on Pentecost, Rev 11) unto the people, and spake unto them.”
I think that because of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on next Pentecost, Moses, Elijah and the 144,000 Israelites will get the Temple built. The Holy Spirit will probably be poured out on the foolish virgins too on Pentecost, Sun. May 27, 2012. Too many souls to count will be saved during the Great Tribulation (Rev 7:9).
Lev 23:17 says, “Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.”
It looks like the two wave loaves on Pentecost represent the 144,000 Israelites and the foolish virgins. Both are left behind at the First-Trump Rapture (probably on Ascension Day, Thur. May 17, 2012, and 17 means VICTORY), but will be caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture, which I think will be on the Feast of Trumpets, Mon. Sept. 14, 2015. I expect the Great Tribulation to last 1040 days, 1260 + 1040 = 2300 (Dan 13:13,14). Therefore, the Tribulation would have started on Pentecost, May 29, 2009. Mid-Trib would be Nov. 8/9, 2012. The 2300 days are counted by inclusive reckoning because it is a block of time. The Temple should be built between May 27 and Nov 8/9, 2012, when the False Prophet should be revealed when he sits in the Temple showing himself that he is God when he isn’t. He will be the second Satan-possessed Son of Perdition. Judas Iscariot was the first.
Ex_34:22 says, “And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest”. We seem to be the barley harvest, which starts on Firstfruits, and is over by Pentecost. The Tribulation saints seem to be the wheat harvest. It starts on Pentecost and ends on the Feast of Trumpets, which I think will be Sept 14, 2015.
So this is why the enemy tried so hard to stop me from publishing on the Internet. Even John Tng was delayed one day. Now I understand. Thank you Lord for John Tng and the Five Doves, in Jesus’ name, Amen.
ASCENSION DAY RAPTURE
By Marilyn Agee
It looks like Jesus acted it out for us
I found this post on www.fivedoves.com
> > Tom Tanner (23 Jan 2012) "Reply, Ola Ilori, the "EASTER AND THE FIRSTFRUIT"
> > In this vision the Angel and I was walking and came upon a hill.
> > I looked at the hill and there was some graves in it, they started opening up and people were coming out of them.
> > I asked the Angel what is this?
> > He said “it’s the dead in Christ being resurrected, just as God said they would be".
> > I then saw people floating upward out of their cars and houses but I was not going with them”
> > I said when will this happen?
> > He replied “first fruits”
> > I said Easter?
> > He said “Yes, it will happen on first fruits just as promised!”
As “promised”-–when was that? It looks like this promise must be understood because it was acted out for us. Some saints came out of their graves on Firstfruits in 30 AD. The light began to dawn. It looks like Ed will get his resurrection body on Easter/Firstfruits, Sunday, May 8, 2012. Easter doesn't alwauys fall on Firstfruits, but it does this year. Praise the Lord.
Mat_27:52 says, “And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose”.
Ecc_1:9 says, “The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.”
Joh_5:28 says, “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice”. Then it looks like his voice will be heard on Firstfruits and at the Rapture of the living saints on Ascension Day. Then God's two witnesses, probably Moses and Elijah, should be seen on Earth that day.
1Th 4:16,17 says, ”For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.“
The more I think about what an angel said about people coming out of their graves on Firstfruits, the more I think Ascension Day, Thursday, May 17, 2012, has the best chance of being the day of our Rapture. The number 17 means victory, and someone on Five Doves said the Rapture would be on Thursday. Today, someone else said that they dreamed that the Rapture would be on Thursday. It looks like Jesus acted it out for us. Acts 1:11 shows that he will come in like manner as he left, and he was lifted up on Ascension Day.
If the dead in Christ are to rise up on Firstfruits, the living wise-virgin saints should rise up on Ascension Day. Why? because Jesus played it out for us.
Of Ascension Day, Acts 1:11 says, "Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.“
This coming of Jesus does not sound like the Second Advent. At that time, he will be riding a white horse, and we will be following him. This coming on Ascension Day seems to be at the time of the First-Trump Rapture. Jesus will come in the air. The wise virgins will rise up, meet the dead in Christ in the clouds, and go on together to meet Christ in the air.
I expect to meet Ed in the clouds, then stay with him for the rest of the events that will take place. When married, we became one flesh. My dream of walking with him to a huge building in Heaven where we were served food will probably come true on Ascension Day. In my dream, he looked like the picture on the left above.
2Th 2:3,4 says, “ Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (i.e., the Day of the Lord, the Day of God;s Wrath) shall not come, except there come a falling away (i.e., a DEPARTURE, the First-Trump Rapture) FIRST, and that man of sin be revealed (i.e., after the Rapture), the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, (Mid-Trib) shewing himself that he is God.”
I think the Tribulation started May 29, 2009, Pentecost. Mid-Trib should be Nov. 8/9, 2012, and the Day of God's Wrath will probably be Tishri 1, 5776, the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015. The Jubilee Year should be announced on the Day of Atonement, Sept. 23, 2015 and start on the following Nisan 1, 5776, Sat. April 9, 2016, the day of the Second Advent. That will be the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee years. The first half of the Tribulation would be 1260 days, and the last half would be shortened to 1040 days. According the Dan 8:13,14 the whole Tribulation will last 2300 days.
Dan 8:13,14 says, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."
Ten days after Jesus ascended, the Holy Spirit descended and indwelt the disciples, empowering them to spread the gospel to the world. It looks like the Holy Spirit will descend again on Pentecost, Sunday, May 27, 2012, to empower the foolish virgins and the 144,000 Israelites to spread the gospel to the world. The number saved during the Great Tribulation will be so great that no one can number them (Rev 7:9,14). WHY ARE THERE TWO WAVE LOAVES ON PENTECOST? Lev 23:17 says, “Ye shall bring out of your habitations TWO wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD. “ 1. The wise-virgin church group was first energized by the Holy Spirit on Pentecost in 30 AD and will probably be raptured on Ascension Day, May 17, 2012. Rom_8:23 says, “ And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. “ 2. The foolish-virgin church group may be re-energized by the Holy Spirit on Pentecost, May 27, 2012 AD, and will probably be raptured on the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of God’s Wrath, Sept. 14, 2015.
Today on Five Doves, Amanda said, "I just can't ignore the fact that a few years back He told me "spring" for the rapture timing." In an email, someone else said that he had a dream that the Rapture was on Thursday.
We are the barley harvest. It lasts from Firstfruits to Pentecost. Boaz had been winnowing barley the night Ruth lay at his feet. The signs are adding up. I expect to see Ed on Ascension Day this year. I know the Lord is taking good care of him while I finish up things here.
MY REPLY TO AN EMAIL, Re: LINK Rapture Bible Prophecy Forum Hebrew 5772 Gregorian 2012
> > http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=3330765498&frmid=8549&msgid=888011&cmd=show
I don’t hear well, so I missed quite a bit of what was being said in the video, but I think I got the gist of it. They think the pyramid of Giza might have been built to warn us of drastic climate change. I doubt it.
To me, the pyramid was built to record for posterity the findings of Seth and his children, who were concerned with the heavenly bodies and their order. It takes 26,000 years for a star to circle the earth, and the pyramid has shafts that lined up with certain stars when it was built. Because of the precession of the equinoxes, it seems like astronomers should be able to tell us the year it was built. Kate Spence, from the University of Cambridge, thinks it was built within 10 years of 2480 BC. That is when she said the stars Kochab and Mizar lined up vertically so the pyramid could be aligned with true north.
However, that date does not ring true to me. Enoch must have told them how to adjust the figures when the stars were not in perfect alignment. I think the pyramid of Giza was built sometime during Seth’s lifetime. He died in 3001 BC. Enoch lived between 3421 BC and 3056 BC. Since Adam, Seth and Enoch, a prophet, drew the zodiac, I think the pyramid of Giza was probably built during a 22-year period in Enoch’s lifetime, somewhere between 3421 BC and 3056 BC. Seth was alive during Enoch’s entire lifetime. The information Enoch gave Seth must have told him how to align the pyramid to due north, even though Kochab and Mizar were not lined up vertically.
Job was written before Genesis, and Job knew the names of constellations. Job_9:9 says, “Which maketh Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades, and the chambers of the south.” Job_38:31 says, “Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? “ Job_38:32 says, “Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth (i.e., the Zodiac) in his season (i.e., in Jesus’ season); or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? “
Virgo was clothed with the Sun, and the Moon was at her feet when Jesus was born on the Feast of Trumpets in 5 BC, as we see in Rev 12.
Amo_5:8 says, “Seek him that maketh the seven stars (i.e., the Pleiades) and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name”.
According to Josephus, Seth and his children “were the inventers of that peculiar sort of wisdom which is concerned with the heavenly bodies, and their order. And that their inventions might not be lost before they were sufficiently known, upon Adam’s prediction that the world was to be destroyed at one time by the force of fire, and at another time by the violence and quantity of water, they made TWO PILLARS; ONE OF BRICK, THE OTHER OF STONE: they inscribed their discoveries on both, that in case the pillar of brick should be destroyed by the flood, the pillar of stone might remain, and exhibit those discoveries to mankind; and also inform them that there was another pillar of brick erected by them. Now this remains in the land of Siriad (Egypt) to this day.”
Many try to measure the pyramid, and their results vary some, but W.M. Flinders’ measurements in his 1883 book, The Pyramid and Temples of Gizeh, are accepted as the most accurate. I don’t have a mathematical mind, but I have read about the wonders of the math of the pyramid. It is truly mind-boggling. It was obviously built with a definite purpose in mind. No one goes to that much trouble unless there is a good reason for its existance. However, I don’t think the purpose was to warn us of climate change to come.
I think that it has multiple things to teach us about math, probably more than have been found to date, but the height of 5776 inches tall when the capstone is in place beats them all. In my head, the first day of the Hebrew year 5776, the Feast of Trumpets, will be the Day of God’s Wrath, also called the great and terrible Day of the Lord. I think Satan’s home, the asteroid Wormwood (Rev 8:8-11, Isa 22:16-19), will impact Earth that day, reducing Gog’s army to 1/6th of its former strength (Eze 39:1-5) and obliterating literal Babylon, which is near the Euphrates River. That is where Nimrod was building the Tower of Babel and starting Satan’s counterfeit religion. Satan lost the battle of the Angelic Conflict when Noah’s Flood wiped out his giant hybrid creatures, so he tried another approach, false religion that twists the truth and will bring down God’s Wrath on Babylon.
Jer 50:2 is the verse I saw a rectangle of light on in a darkened room. It says, “Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not: say, Babylon is taken, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces.”
Jer 51:11 says, “The Lord’s device (i.e., the asteroid Wormwood) is against Babylon, to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance of his temple.” That is because the False Prophet will desecrate the Temple Mid-Trib, probably Dec. 8/9, 2012. According to Dan. 8:12f, the Great Tribulation will be shortened to 1040 days.
Jer 51:29 says, “the land shall tremble and sorrow: for every purpose of the LORD shall be performed against Babylon, to make the land of Babylon a desolation without an inhabitant. “
Eze 39:1-5 says,” Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: 2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel: 3 And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand. 4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. 5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.”
I think the giants of those days before the Flood were the workers who actually built the pyramid, which is “a monument to the LORD”, and refused to put on the capstone, because it told when Christ would win the Angelic Conflict.
Isa 19:19-20 says, “In that day there will be an altar to the LORD in the heart of Egypt, and a monument to the LORD at its border. It will be a sign and witness to the LORD Almighty in the land of Egypt. When they cry out to the LORD because of their oppressors, he will send them a savior and defender, and he will rescue them.”
Giza means border in Arabic. This pyramid, “a monument to the LORD”, is on the border between Upper and Lower Egypt, in the heart of the two Egypts.
DEBKAfile Special Report February 2, 2012
Iran has completed the development of a nuclear weapon and awaits nothing more than a sign from Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei to start assembling its first nuclear bomb, said Israeli Military Intelligence Chief Major General Aviv Kochavi on Thursday, February 2. Assembling a bomb would take up to a year, Kochavi estimated. With 100 kilograms of uranium enriched to 20 percent grade and another 4 tons of uranium enriched to 3.5 percent already in stock, Iran would need another two years to make four nuclear bombs.
Therefore, by the end of 2012 or early 2013 Iran may have a single nuclear bomb, but by 2015 the figure would jump to four or five.
MY REPLY TO AN EMAIL
Re a post on Five Doves: Mike Plunket (31 Jan 2012)
"To John B.....Satan cannot be either beasts of Revelations 13.....can he?"
> > It appears to me to be clear that the beast or beast's of revelations 13, could not be Satan reincarnate
because the scriptures clearly show that he is sent to a different place than the 2 beast's were and
he was not condemned to the lake of fire until after, at least, 1000 years had past. I would be grateful
of any input about this as I was shocked when I realized this! It seems pretty cut and dried to me but
I was always under the impression that the anti-christ was suppose to be Satan, or a man that Satan
would possess after 3 and a half years.
Satan will be chained during the Millennium and released for a short while after it.
There are two men called the son of perdition in Scripture, Judas Iscariot and the False Prophet. Satan enters into both. Satan has two comings, like Christ. Rev 13:11 says, “ And I beheld another beast (Satan) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns (two comings to power) like a lamb (Christ), and he spake as a dragon“ (Satan).
Joh_17:12 says, “While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the SON OF PERDITION (Judas Iscariot); that the scripture might be fulfilled.“
Rev 17:3 says, “So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast (the great red dragon, representing Satan), full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads (leaders of Babel, Babylon, Media Persia, Greece, Holy Roman Empire, Roman Ecclesiastical Empire), and ten horns (kings of the 10 regions of the world).“
Rev 12:9 says, “ And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out INTO THE EARTH, and his angels were cast out with him.”
Rev 17:8-11 says, “The beast that thou sawest (Satan) was (in Judas), and is not (in man now); and SHALL ASCEND OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT (at Mid-Trib), and GO INTO perdition (the False Prophet): and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast (Satan) that was (in Judas), and is not (in man now), and yet is (exists). 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains (kingdoms), on which the woman (Mystery Religion of Babylon) sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen (leaders of Babel, Babylon, Media Persia, Greece, Holy Roman Empire), and one is (the Roman Ecclesiastical Empire), and the other (the False Prophet) is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast (Satan) that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and GOETH INTO PERDITION (the False Prophet).”
2Th_2:3 says, “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (i.e., the Day of the Lord) shall not come, except there come a falling away (i.e., the departure, the Rapture, probably on Ascension Day, Thur. May 17, 2012) first, and that MAN OF SIN (the False Prophet) be revealed (i.e., when he sits in the Temple as if he is God Mid-Trib, probably Nov. 8/9, 2012), the SON OF PERDITION.”
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