Pro and Con 1654

Posted 7-9-2012

A QUETZAL

POSSIBLE DATE OF RAPTURE, AV 9/10

By Marilyn Agee

Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri not only said that the Messiah is Yeshua, but that he dreamed that Yeshua said he would return in Av, 5772. That could indicate a First-Trump Rapture on the same days the Temple burned two times, Av 9 and 10.

The Jews say the temple was burned twice on Av 9. Of the burning of the temple by the Babylonians, Jer 52:12,13 says, "Now in the fifth month (AV), in the TENTH DAY of the month, which was the nineteenth year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzaradan, captain of the guard, which served the king of Babylon, into Jerusalem, 13 And burned the house of the LORD".

In 70 AD, a burning torch was thrown into a window on Av 9 and the sanctuary proper burst into full flame on Av 10. Titus was unable to save the Temple at that point. It was a roaring inferno.

9th of Av, 5772 = Sat, 28 July 2012.
10th of Av, 5772 = Sun, 29 July 2012.

IN THE PREVIEW, JOHN ACTED OUT THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE ON SUNDAY

In Rev 1:9-11, John said, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion IN TRIBULATION (i.e., in the first half), and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos (meaning mortal), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (lit., became) IN THE SPIRIT on the Lord's day (i.e., Sunday), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet (i.e., the FIRST TRUMP), 11 Saying, I (Jesus) am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last". Jesus was both LORD of the Old Testament and lord of the New Testament.

Isa 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH King of Israel), and I am the last (YHWH the redeemer, the YHWH of hosts, Jesus ); and beside me there is no God".

The 10th of Av, 5772, is SUNDAY, 29 July 2012. It starts at 6 PM on Av 9. Could that be the date of the First-Trump Rapture? There would still be time to build the Temple before Mid-Trib, Nov 8/9, 2012. It only takes 3 months (August, September, October, or Av, Elul, Tishri).

Maybe the literal Temple cannot be built until we are gone. If so, we should be out of here soon.

WE ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD

1Co_3:17 says, "If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."
1Co_6:19 says, "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you"
2Co_6:16 says, "ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people."

I am now looking forward hopefully to Sunday, 29 July 2012. The number 29 means DEPARTURE. Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: MORE ON THE MICROCHIP

...I am a physician and believe me, I have been watching this closely!

First, no one is required to have an IMPLANTED microchip at this time. (It may come later when people start losing their medical ID cards.)

Or they may say to take an implanted chip or pay a $5000 tax, since this is the new way of doing things in Washington...

It is true that it will link your medical records to your bank account, so payment to the provider is immediate. But the CHIP is in the CARD, not your body. At least for now.

There are a few things they don't want you to know about Obamacare

1. Health care is not "free"

2. Two reputable surveys (New England Journal of Medicine and Investor's Business Daily) found that between a third and half of doctors will resign, retire early, or stop taking patients when Obamacare begins in 2014.

3. How will they serve 30 million more patients, with a third of doctors retired? You can see why rationing boards will be needed.

4. A trillion dollars we spent on Obamacare would put a free clinic on practically every street corner. That would "bend the price down." There would be no excuse for not getting health care at little or no cost.... NO, THIS IS ABOUT GOVERNMENT CONTROL.

5. If you read the administration's White Paper on the Electronic Health Record, you will see that one of their stated goals is to be able to examine everyones' medical records without their knowledge.

6. There is a lot of information on the electronic health record in the Stimulus bill (not Obamacare bill). If you read this you will see your medical record will be stored at a huge GOVERNMENT server, and eventually will be bidirectional... the provider puts in the patient's complaint and condition, and the bureaucrat or a computer will respond with what the provider is authorized to do. Decision-making will become centralized and your doctor will be mostly out of the picture. (You can see the problem if the internet goes down...)

7. Imagine the security headache that a million authorized users will create. Just a few hackers could sell your medical records to anyone.

...There is a lot of panic going around about Chips and right now it's premature.

INCOMING EMAIL: THE RAPTURE WILL LIKELY HAPPEN ON A SUNDAY....

Jesus is the 'Firstfruits of the Dead', and He ascended (raptured) to the Father on 'Firstfruits Sunday' morning. This was foretold by the wave-offering of the 'sheaf of the firstfruits' of the barley harvest on a Sunday morning by the priest as ordained by God.

His Church is the 'Firstfruits of the Spirit', and His Church will also likely be raptured to the Father on a Sunday. This is foretold by the wave-offering of the 'two loaves of leavened-bread of the firstfruits' on a Sunday morning by the priest also ordained by God.

The 'wave-offerings of the firstfruits' are ordained by God to be made by the priest on Sunday. Jesus, the Firstfruits of the Dead', then ascended (raptured) to the Father on a Sunday morning. Therefore it is reasonable to believe that The Church, the 'Firstfruits of the Spirit', will also - in a like manner - rapture to the Father on a Sunday.

Palm Sunday is always on a Sunday in a 'year of perfect order' such as Palm Sunday April 17, 2016 in 'the acceptable year of the Lord'. Come Lord Jesus!

MY REPLY

> > THE RAPTURE WILL LIKELY HAPPEN ON A SUNDAY......
> > Jesus is the 'Firstfruits of the Dead', and He ascended (raptured) to the Father on 'Firstfruits Sunday' morning. This was foretold by the wave-offering of the 'sheaf of the firstfruits' of the barley harvest on a Sunday morning by the priest as ordained by God.
> > His Church is the 'Firstfruits of the Spirit', and His Church will also likely be raptured to the Father on a Sunday. This is foretold by the wave-offering of the 'two loaves of leavened-bread of the firstfruits' on a Sunday morning by the priest also ordained by God.

I agree that Jesus ascended to the Father on Firstfruits Sunday. He took the contents of Paradise to Heaven, and could not be touched until he returned later that day. The sheaf of barley was waved that day.

However, waving the two loaves was on Pentecost, the day after the 7 weeks of counting the omer. The Hebcal Jewish Calendar says Sun, 27 May 2012 = 6th of Sivan, 5772. That was Pentecost.

Lev 23:15-17 says, "And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: 16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD. 17 Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD."

However, the Rapture did not take place on Ascension Day or Pentecost, 5772. If I remember right, the next time Firstfruits will be on Sunday will be in 2015. That seems too late for the First-Trump Rapture. I think the Last-Trump Rapture will take place on Trumpets, 9-14, 2015.

According to Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri, the Rapture will be in the month of Av. I hope he is right. If not, we could be caught up on Trumpets. That will be on a Monday this year. 1st of Tishri, 5773 = Mon, 17 September 2012. Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: Dayana T (5 July 2012)"IS NUMBER 21 A RAPTURE CLUE!? & NUMBER 22!? FOR THE CHURCH THE BRIDE OF JESUS CHRIST!? humbly watching: JULY 21 22 2012 !?"

AS IT REPRESENTS IN MATTHEW 25:1-11 THE PARABLE OF THE TEN VIRGINS & IN REVELATION 14:1-4 THE LAMB'S COMPANIONS, THOSE WISE VIRGINS WOMEN & MEN ARE PART OF THE BRIDE FIRSTFRUITS OFFERING TO GOD" "AS BARLEY HARVEST" THEY "COULD" BE SNATCHED ANYTIME : FROM JULY 21 22 2012 (RAPTURE WATCH CLUES !?) ON EACH OF THE 21ST & 22ND OF THOSE GIVEN MONTHS IN 2012. "But always be ready for the Rapture" i still believe they are Rapture clues number 21 & number 22 for the Church the Bride of Jesus Christ, i could be wrong, but we will find out soon...
"if the Rapture does not happend on the 21st & 22nd of a given month, always be ready each day just in case it happens on any day..."
That is just my poor point of view, regarding my spiritual personal experiences. THE WISE VIRGINS, ARE SNATCHED, RAPTURE AT AT THE "MIDNIGHT 12:00 CRY" THEY ARE THE ONES THAT SHORTLY, COME BACK ON EARTH WITH THEIR BELOVED LORD JESUS CHRIST NOW HAVING THEIR GLORYFIED BODIES, WILL RECEIVE, THE HOLY SPIRIT, A SECOND TIME. IT WILL BE LIKE IN THE DAYS OF THE APOSTLES, THEY WILL PERFORM ALL THOSE ACTS, AS IN THE DAYS OF THE APOSTLES, PREACHING THE WORD OF GOD. THE GREATEST END TIME HARVEST FOR THE CHURCH, AND THE REAPING OF SOULS, THOSE 144 000 DRESSED IN WHITE, COME BACK WITH JESUS TO MINISTER FOR FORTY DAYS ON EARTH, JUST AS OUR BELOVED LORD JESUS CHRIST MINISTERED ON EARTH FOR 40 DAYS. AND THE GOOD NEWS OF SALVATION, THE WORD OF GOD IS PREACHED TO THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH.
Jesus stayed on the earth for 40 days after his resurrection.
After 40 days and nights of fasting Jesus resisted all temptation.
The Ascension of Jesus Christ took place after 40 days. Acts 1:9-11 MILLIONS OF CONVERSION TAKE PLACE AT THIS TIME, AND THE TRIBULATION PERIOD HAS NOW BEGUN. THOSE CHOSEN ONES ARE A SUPERNATURAL ARMY PROTECTED BY GOD SINCE THEY NOW HAVE THEIR GLORIFIED BODIES, AND NO ONE CAN HURT THEM, THEY COULD WALK THROUGH WALLS, NO WEAPON CAN TARGET THEM, THEY ARE ON EARTH FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME TO MINISTER, WITH OUR BELOVED LORD JESUS CHRIST AND TO COMPLETE THEIR EARTHLY MISSION FOR GOD FOR THIS TIME. FOR THEY WERE PREDESTINED. THEY ALSO ENCOURAGE ALL THE LEFT BEHIND ON EARTH AND UNBELIEVERS AS NOT TO ACCEPT THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND THEY ENCOURAGE SOME, THAT THEY ARE TO DIE AS MARTYRS FOR TESTIMONY FOR JESUS CHRIST BECAUSE AT THIS TIME MANY CHRISTIANS WILL BE PERSECUTED AND PUT TO DEATH, BECAUSE OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER IN PLACE, AT DEATH CAMPS, WITH THE ANTICHRIST IN CONTROL FOR A SHORT WHILE. BUT GOD WILL INSTRUCT EACH ONE OF THOSE CHOSEN ONES AS THEY WILL OBEY THEIR LORD JESUS CHRIST AND ACCOMPLISH HIS PERFECT WILL AT THIS TIME ON EARTH FOR THE REAPING OF SOULS. In The Last Days
Acts 1:8-11
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, throughout Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth. When he had said this, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him from their sight. While they were looking intently at the sky as he was going, suddenly two men dressed in white garments stood beside them.

They said, men of Galilee why are you standing looking at the sky? This Jesus who has been taken up from you into heaven will return in the same way as you have seen him going into heaven.

A Second Pentecost
John 16:13-15
But when he comes, the spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth.`` He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to you the things that are coming. He will glorify me, because he will take from what is mine and declare it to you. Everything that the Father has is mine; for this reason I told you that he will take from what is mine, and declare it to you.

Matthew 24:27 For just as lighting comes from the East and is seen as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Matthew 24:32-33
Learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branch becomes tender and sprouts leaves, you know that summer is near. In the same way, when you see all these things, know that he is near, at the gates.

Matthew 24:37-44
For as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. In those days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day that Noah entered the ark. They did not know until the flood came and carried them all away. So will it be also at the coming of the Son of Man. "Two will be out in the field; one will be taken" and one will be left". Two women will be grindind at the mill. "One will be taken, and one will be left."

Hebrews 12:14 Strive for peace with everyone, and for that Holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

Sardis Represents Firstfruits "Barley Harvest"
Revelation 3:4-5
However, you have few people in Sardis who have not soiled their garments; they will walk with me dressed in white, because they are worthy. The victor will thus be dressed in white, and I will never erase his name from the book of life but will acknowledge his name in the presence of my Father and his angels.

Philadelphia Represents Firstfruits "Barley Harvest"
Revelation 3:10
Because you have kept my message of endurance. " I will keep you safe in the time of "trial" that is going to come to the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth".

Luke 21:36
Be vigilant at all times and pray that you have the strenght to escape the tribulations that are imminent and to stand before the Son of Man.

Revelation 7:1-4
The 144 000 Sealed.
After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth so that no wind could blow on land or sea or against any tree. Then I saw another angel come up from the East, holding the seal of the living God. He cried out in a loud voice to the four angels who were given power to damage the land and the seas, "Do not damage the land or the sea or the trees until we put the seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God. I heard the number of those who had been marked with the seal, one hundred and forty- four thousand marked from every tribe of the Israelites:
Represents Firstfruits "Barley Harvest"
For we read in Revelation 7:9
This speaks of the Triump of the Elect,
After this I had a vision: a great multitude, which no one could count, from every nation, race, people, and tongue, they stood before the Throne and before the Lamb, wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands.

Revelation 7:13-14
Then one of the elders spoke up and said to me, "who are these wearing white robes, and where did they come from? I said to him, "my lord, you are the one who knows." He said to me, "These are the ones who "have "survived" the time of great distress." They have washed their robes and made them white, in the blood of the Lamb.

MEANING THAT THEY WERE REMOVED PROTECTED SNATCHED AND WERE REDEEMED AS FIRSTFRUITS THOSE 144 000 TO BE OFFERED TO GOD AND THE LAMB.

The Lamb's Companions
Revelation 14:1-4
Then I looked and there was the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty- four thousand who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads. I heard a sound from heaven like the sound of rushing water or a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. They were singing what seemed to be a new hymn before the throne, before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn this hymn except the hundred and forty- four thousand who had been ransomed from the earth. These are they who were not defiled with women; they are virgins and these are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. "They have been ransomed as the firstfruits of the human race for God and the Lamb."

The Parable Of The Ten Virgins.
Matthew 25:1-11 "WISE VIRGINS" TO BE OFFERED AS FIRSTFRUITS TO GOD & THE LAMB
"Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegrom. Five of them were foolish and five were wise. The foolish ones, when taking their lamps, brought no oil with them, but the wise brought flasks of oil with their lamps. Since the bridegroom was long delayed, they all became drowsy and fell asleep. At midnight, there was a cry, 'Behold, the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!" Then all those "virgins" got up and trimmed their Lamps. The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out." But the wise ones replied, 'No, for there may not be enough for us and you. Go instead to the merchants and buy some for yourselves. 'While they went off to buy it, the bridegroom came and those who were ready went into the wedding feast with him. Then the door was locked. Afterwards the other virgins came and said, 'Lord, Lord open the door for us! New American Bible, Saint Joseph Edition.

ALL GLORY TO GOD, Dayana Torchia

MY REPLY

I'm not sure about number 21, but it was seen by at least 3 people. It seems to apply to the Rapture in some way.

> > Philadelphia Represents Firstfruits "Barley Harvest"

I just found out that there is a summer barley harvest. I used to think it was over by Pentecost, when wheat harvest begins. > > Revelation 3:10 > > Because you have kept my message of endurance. "I will keep you safe in the time of "trial" that is going to come to the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth".... I wondered what version of the Bible are you were quoting, then at the end you said, "New American Bible, Saint Joseph Edition." Thanks.

Are you comparing what it says to the KJV? There is a difference.

Rev 3:10 in the KJV says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee FROM the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

Hupomone, translated "patience" in the KJV, means patient endurance, as a friend clued me into several years ago.

Strong's Concordance says, "From G5278; cheerful (or hopeful) endurance, constancy: - enduring, patience, patient continuance (waiting)."

That sure describes our state today. We are patiently continuing to wait for Christ to catch us up in the First-Trump Rapture.

However, I believe the wise virgins are to be kept FROM (ek, out of) the hour of temptation, not be kept safe IN it. Here is what Strong's says of ek. See what you think.

G1537 ek, "A primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence motion or action proceeds), from, out (of place, time or cause; literally or figuratively; direct or remote): - after, among, X are, at betwixt (-yond), by (the means of), exceedingly, (+ abundantly above), for (-th), from (among, forth, up), + grudgingly, + heartily, X heavenly, X hereby, + very highly, in, . . . ly, (because, by reason) of, off (from), on, out among (from, of), over, since, X thenceforth, through, X unto, X vehemently, with (-out). Often used in composition, with the same general import; often of completion."

In "the hour of temptation", the Greek word translated temptation is G3986 peirasmos: "From G3985; a putting to proof (by experiment [of good], experience [of evil], solicitation, discipline or provocation); by implication adversity: - temptation, X try."

I think this fits the time when people on Earth will be required to take the Mark of the Beast in order to be able to buy or sell. Rev 13:17 says, "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

To me, the First-Trump Rapture should come before this particular Time of Temptation. I used to think that the First-Trump Rapture would be before the 7-year Tribulation, but we seem to be in the first half of the Tribulation now. Maybe we are just to be kept from the Great Tribulation, the last half of the 7-year Tribulation.

> > Luke 21:36
> > Be vigilant at all times and pray that you have the strenght to escape the tribulations that are imminent and to stand before the Son of Man.

Luke 21:36 in the KJV says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

To me, it doesn't mean that we can have the strength on our own to escape the tribulation, but that we "may be accounted worthy to escape".

I prefer the KJV, how about you? Agape

INCOMING EMAIL

Subject: http://www.themysteryunlocked.com/ebooks/the_mystery_unlocked.pdf

This is the book I mentioned which postulates 7/24/12 as the day of the rapture. Well, we shall see. I'm weary of being hopefully wrong.

MY REPLY

Thinking to myself, "Could 7/24/12 be the day of the Rapture?," I went to http://www.themysteryunlocked.com/ebooks/the_mystery_unlocked.pdf

On page 79 and 80 of "The Mystery Unlocked," the author, Mark Alexander, said, "At His command and promise to Prophet Daniel through Daniel 12:12, (that it shall be revealed at the End Time) and true to HIS WORD HE has now decoded 1335 days in these end times, through whom He has chosen in His Sovereign "Time and Will", on 26th of November 2008 saying 'Calculate from today 1335 days'....

"Daniel Chapter 12. Yes that very Chapter 12 of Daniel which is packed with MYSTERIES of the End Times. Mysteries like, what will be the condition of the world in the end times, the Rewards into eternity for those who have been faithful, the Rapture of the saints of God, the Condemnation of those who have not been Raptured, the Anti-Christ rule, the Tribulation, are all in that one chapter. Including the very Mystery of His Day of Return as in Daniel 12:12, which was concealed and hidden to be unlocked in His time.

Beloved of Christ the Mystery of Daniel 12:12 is now unlocked in God's sovereign time.

"How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1335 days". (Daniel 12:12)

"THE MYSTERY DECODED IS BELOW
"How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 24th Day of July 2012' Blameless, spotless and at peace at the Lord Jesus Christ Appearing in the Clouds.

"Beloved in Christ, I have no doubts that on 24th July 2-12 we will see the Lord Jesus face to face....

"The Lord confirmed through several verses in His immense grace and patience with me in my further enquiring with the Lord. Lord reconfirmed that this date will not pass, it will surely come and will not tarry. Apart from the Ezekiel portion of Ezekiel 12:22-28 & 2 Peter 3:1-10 portion which I had mentioned the Lord specifically led me confirming this "DAY" will not pass without being fulfilled as revealed"

MY THOUGHTS

To me, the 1335 days are counted from Mid-Trib to after Christ returns, so they don't apply to the First-Trump Rapture. Agape

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