Pro and Con 1656

Posted 8-18-2012

PHEASANT, LADY AMHERST

CALENDAR CONVERTERS AND THE THURSDAY DATE OF THE CRUCIFIXION

By Marilyn Agee

We can believe the Calendar Converters for the Julian date of the Crucifixion, THURSDAY, APRIL 6, 30 AD (Julian day 1732110.5, Mod Julian day -667890). The Gregorian date is useless in years before 1582.

MOST CALENDAR CONVERTER'S HEBREW DATE IS OFF BY TWO DAYS IN 30 AD (JULIAN)

The converters show that the Hebrew date for THURSDAY, April 6, 30 AD (Julian) is Nisan 15, 3790. THURSDAY IS CORRECT, BUT THE HEBREW DATE SHOULD BE NISAN 13, NOT 15. The current Hebrew Calendar is extrapolated backwards, and it is off by two days in the time of Christ. Why? because Hillel II added "POSTPONEMENTS" in 358 AD.

At that time, the "Jewish authorities decided to make public the calendar calculations which had been kept secret for generations, so that the calendar principles would not be lost. However, they did much more than that. They also devised and added NEW calendar rules never heard of in the time of the second Temple, or Christ's day -- they added several new laws called "postponements." These laws made it necessary to actually delay the Feast of Trumpets, called Rosh Hashanah, to keep Yom Kippur from falling on a Friday or a Sunday, and to keep Hoshana Rabbah -- the seventh day of the Feast of Tabernacles -- from falling on the weekly Sabbath."
(http://triumphpro.com/postponements-new-truth.htm)

Today, "There are therefore three days, SUNDAY, Wednesday and Friday, on which Rosh Hashanah can never fall. If the molad (i.e., new crescent moon) falls on one of these days, then Rosh Hashanah is nidcheh -- pushed off -- until the next day. In case the molad falls after noon on Shabbos, Tuesday or Thursday, Rosh Hashanah is pushed off one day because it is a molad zoken, and since that would put it on one of the three days on which it cannot fall, it is pushed off yet another day. In such a case we find that Rosh Hashanah has been POSTPONED TWO DAYS from the molad." (Understanding the Jewish Calendar, by Rabbi Nathan Bushwick, p.80-8).

PROOF THAT THE POSTPONEMENTS WERE NOT PART OF THE CALENDAR LAW PRIOR TO HILLEL II

Before Hillel II, the Hebrew New Year could fall on SUNDAY. It can't today. The postponements were not in the calendar law prior to 358 AD.

The Mishnah says, "A child can be circumcised on the eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh, or twelfth day, but never earlier and never later. How is this? The rule is that it shall be done on the eighth day; but if the child was born at twilight the child is circumcised on the ninth day; and if at twilight on the eve of Sabbath, the child is circumcised on the tenth day; if a Festival-day falls after the Sabbath the child is circumcised on the eleventh day; and if the two Festival-days of the New Year fall after the Sabbath [that is, on SUNDAY and Monday] the child is circumcised on the twelfth day" (Mishnah, Shabbath 19:5, Danby, page 117). (emphasis mine)

Before Hillel II, Av 9 could fall on FRIDAY, but it cannot today.

"Similarly, under the present Hebrew calendar, the 9th of Av never falls on a Friday. Yet, in the Mishnah, it relates, "They may not decree a public fast on the first day of a month or during [the Feast of] the Dedication or at Purim. But if they had begun they may not interrupt the fast. So Rabban Gamaliel. R. Meir said: Although Rabban Gamaliel has said, 'They may not interrupt the fast,' he admitted that they need not fast the whole day. So, too, with the Ninth of Av if it fell on the eve of a Sabbath [i.e., FRIDAY]" (The Mishnah, Taanith 2:10, Danby, p.197).

"Clearly, this evidence from the Mishnah itself indicates that the "postponements" of the modern Hebrew calendar, instituted by the Rabbinic Council in the days of Hillel II, did not apply to earlier times. They were a new innovation brought about in the fourth century of the present era!"
(http://triumphpro.com/postponements-new-truth.htm)

THIS TWO-DAY POSTPONEMENT CAUSES NISAN 13 TO BE LISTED AS NISAN 15 IN THE CALENDAR CONVERTERS

Here are the converters I checked. These all agree on this.

http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/calendar/
www.midrash.org/calendar
www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/conv.htm
calendarhome.com/converter
jlm-ministries.com
www.rosettacalendar

THE LAST SUPPER, CRUCIFIXION, AND BURIAL WERE ALL ON THE PREPARATION DAY, THURSDAY, NISAN 13, 3790

The Preparation of the Saturday Sabbath would normally be on Friday, but that Friday happened to be Passover, an annual Sabbath, a high day when no servile work could be done. Therefore, all servile preparation for the three consecutive feasts had to be done on Thursday, Nisan 13.

Thursday, Nisan 13, Preparation Day, Last Supper, Crucifixion and Burial
Friday, Nisan 14, Passover, high day, annual Sabbath
Saturday, Nisan 15, Feast of Unleavened Bread, weekly Sabbath
Sunday, Nisan 16, Firstfruits, Resurrection Day, Omer 1, counted "from the morrow (Sunday) after the sabbath" (Saturday, the Feast of Unleavened Bread).

Mat_26:17-21 says, "Now the first (protos, before, former, prior; from pro, fore, in front of, prior) day of the feast of unleavened bread (i.e., Nisan 13) the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the PASSOVER? 18 And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the PASSOVER at thy house with my disciples. 19 And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready the PASSOVER. 20 Now WHEN THE EVEN WAS COME (i.e., the beginning of Nisan 13), HE SAT DOWN WITH THE TWELVE. 21 And as they did eat (the Last Supper), he said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me"...

Mat 26:26-28 says, "And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. 27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."

THE LAST SUPPER WAS CALLED THE PASSOVER, SO THE DISCIPLES PROBABLY PREPARED A LAMB

Mark 14:12 says, "And the first (protos, prior) day of unleavened bread, when they killed the PASSOVER (i.e., on Nisan 13), his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the PASSOVER?
Mark 14:14 says, "And wheresoever he shall go in, say ye to the goodman of the house, The Master saith, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the PASSOVER with my disciples?"
Mark 14:16 says, "And his disciples went forth, and came into the city, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the PASSOVER."

Mark 15:42-46 says, "And now when the even (i.e., 6 PM) was come, because IT WAS THE PREPARATION (Nisan 13), that is, the day before the Sabbath (Nisan 14, Passover, an annual Sabbath), 43 Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus. 44 And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead. 45 And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph. 46 And he BOUGHT fine linen (on Nisan 13, Preparation Day, he couldn't buy on the Passover Sabbath High Day), and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre" (on Thursday, Nisan 13).

Luk_22:7,8 says, "Then came the day of unleavened bread (Nisan 13, Preparation Day), when the PASSOVER must be killed. 8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the PASSOVER, that we may eat."
Luk_22:11 says, "And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the PASSOVER with my disciples?"
Luk_22:13 says, "And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the PASSOVER."
Luk_22:15 says, "And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this PASSOVER with you BEFORE I suffer" (i.e., as Nisan 13 began).

Joh_13:1 says, "Now BEFORE (i.e., on Nisan 13) the feast of the PASSOVER (Nisan 14), when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end."
Joh_18:28 says, "Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the PASSOVER" (i.e., on Nisan 14).

Joh_19:14 says, "And IT WAS THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER (i.e., Nisan 13), and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!"

Lev 23:4-7 says, "These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. In the fourteenth day of the first month at even (i.e., as Friday, Nisan 14 begins at 6 PM on Thursday, Nisan 13 in 3790; 30 AD Julian) is the LORD'S PASSOVER. And on the fifteenth day (Saturday) of the same month is the FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. 7 In the first day (Friday) ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein."

Lev 23:10,11 says, "When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the FIRSTFRUITS of your harvest unto the priest: 11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you ON THE MORROW (i.e., SUNDAY) AFTER THE SABBATH (Saturday, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, a HIGH DAY, AN ANNUAL SABBATH) the priest shall wave it".

JESUS WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH

Mt_12:40 says, "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

"In Jewish communal life part of a day is at times reckoned as one day" (jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/5007-day)

Thursday, DAY
Friday, night then DAY
Saturday, night then DAY
Sunday, night

ALL FOUR GOSPELS AGREE THAT THE CRUCIFIXION WAS ON THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER, i.e., THURSDAY

Mat_27:62-64 says, "Now the next day (Friday, 'an high day', Passover), that followed THE DAY OF THE PREPARATION (Thursday), the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate, Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, AFTER THREE DAYS (i.e., after Thursday, Friday and Saturday) I will rise again (Sunday). 64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day (Friday, Saturday and Sunday), lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead".

Mar_15:42 says, "And now when the even was come, because IT WAS THE PREPARATION (Thursday), that is, the day before the sabbath" (Friday, Passover, an annual Sabbath)."

Luk_23:54 says, "THAT DAY WAS THE PREPARATION (Thursday), and the sabbath (Friday, Passover) drew on."

Joh_19:14 says, "IT WAS THE PREPARATION (Thursday) OF THE PASSOVER (Friday), and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!"
Joh_19:31 says, "The Jews therefore, because IT WAS THE PREPARATION (Thursday), that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day [Passover] was AN HIGH DAY,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

WAS JESUS BURIED ON THURSDAY OR FRIDAY?

All four gospel accounts show that the burial was on Thursday, the Preparation Day for the Passover, Unleavened Bread and Firstfruits.

Mt 27:62-64 says, "Now the NEXT DAY (Friday), that FOLLOWED THE DAY OF THE PREPARATION (THURSDAY, Nisan 13), the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate. 63 Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days (Thursday, Friday, Saturday) I will rise again" (on Sunday). 64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day (1. Friday, 2. Saturday, 3. Sunday), lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first."

Mark 14:16-18 says, "And his disciples went forth, and came into the city, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the PASSOVER. 17 And IN THE EVENING (i.e., the beginning of Nisan 13) he cometh with the twelve. 18 And as they sat and did eat"...
Mark 15:42,43 says, "now when the EVEN (opsios, late afternoon or nightfall, i.e., between 3 and 6 PM) WAS COME, because IT WAS THE PREPARATION (THURSDAY), that is, the day BEFORE the sabbath, (Friday, Passover, a high day, an annual Sabbath). 43 Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus."
Mark 15:46 says, "And he (Joseph of Arimathaea) bought fine linen (on Thursday, for he could not buy on the Passover Sabbath or the Saturday Sabbath), and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre".
Mark_16:1 says, "when the sabbath (Saturday) was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices (Sunday), that they might come and anoint him."

Luke 22:7-15 says, "Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the PASSOVER must be killed (Nisan 13, Preparation Day, after they had thrown out the leaven the previous day). 8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the PASSOVER, that we may eat. 9 And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare? 10 And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. 11 And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the PASSOVER with my disciples? 12 And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready. 13 And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the PASSOVER. 14 And when the hour (6 PM, when Nisan 13 began) was come, HE SAT DOWN, and the twelve apostles with him. 15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this PASSOVER with you before I suffer".

Luk 23:52-56 says, "This man (Joseph of Arimathaea) went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. 53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. 54 And THAT DAY WAS THE PREPARATION (THURSDAY), and the sabbath (Friday, Passover) drew on. 55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. 56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments (i.e., on Thursday); and rested the sabbath day (Saturday) according to the COMMANDMENT."
Luk_24:1 says, "Now upon the first day of the week (Sunday), very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared".

John 19:14 says, "And IT WAS THE PREPARATION (Thursday, Nisan 13) of the passover (Nisan 14), and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!"

John 19:31 says, "The Jews therefore, because IT WAS THE PREPARATION (Thursday), that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day [Friday, Passover] was an HIGH DAY [an annual Sabbath]) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."
John 19:39-42 says, "And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight. 40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury. 41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid. 42 There laid they Jesus therefore BECAUSE OF THE JEWS' PREPARATION DAY; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand."

ONE CALENDAR PROGRAM I FOUND THAT HAS IT RIGHT

"Nisan 13: Prepare for the Seder Meal
Fast of the Firstborn Soferim 21:3
Original Fast of Esther 4:16
5 Apr 30 C.E. sunset to 6 Apr 30 C.E. sunset
Day: 1,466,295
Nisan 14: Pesach, Passover, orig Fast of Esther 4:16, Apr 7, 30 CE
Nisan 15: Hag HaMatzah, Unleavened Bread, Israel Leaves Rameses, orig Fast of Esther, Apr 8
Nisan 16: Hag HaMatzah, First Fruits, The Omer Offering, 9 Apr 30 CE, Day: 1466,298" (www.torahcalendar.com)

FAST OF ESTHER, NISAN 13, 14, and 15

Est 3:12-14 says, "Then were the king's scribes called on the THIRTEENTH DAY OF THE FIRST MONTH (Nisan 13,3790, Crucifixion Day April 6, 30 AD, Julian), and there was written according to all that Haman had commanded unto the king's lieutenants, and to the governors that were over every province, and to the rulers of every people of every province according to the writing thereof, and to every people after their language; in the name of king Ahasuerus was it written, and sealed with the king's ring. 13 And the letters were sent by posts into all the king's provinces, to destroy, to kill, and to cause to perish, all Jews, both young and old, little children and women, in one day, even upon the thirteenth day of the twelfth month, which is the month Adar, and to take the spoil of them for a prey. 14 The copy of the writing for a commandment to be given in every province was published unto all people, that they should be ready against that day"....
Est 4:16 says, "Go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and FAST YE FOR ME, AND NEITHER EAT NOR DRINK THREE DAYS (as on Crucifixion Day, Nisan 13, Passover, Nisan 14, and Unleavened Bread, Nisan 16), night or day: I also and my maidens will fast likewise; and so will I go in unto the king, which is not according to the law: and if I perish, I perish."

FAST OF THE FIRSTBORN

"The Talmud says (Soferim 21:3) that Jewish firstborns fast "in commemoration of the miracle that they were saved from the Plague of the Firstborn. So for generations, on THE DAY PRIOR TO PASSOVER (i.e., NISAN 13), it is traditional for the first born to refrain from food during daylight hours."
(http://www.ctionline.org/rebpage120405.html)

CONCLUSION

According to all four Gospels, Jesus was crucified on Thursday, April 6, 30 AD (Julian), the Eve of Passover. We cannot trust the Calendar Converters for the Hebrew date, but we can trust them for the Julian date.

The Tractate "Sanhedrin" in the Babylonian Talmud agrees.

It says, "ON THE EVE OF PESAH THEY HUNG JESHU [the Nazarene]. And the crier went forth before him forty days (saying), '[Jeshu the Nazarene] goeth forth to be stoned, because he hath practiced magic and deceived and led astray Israel. Anyone who knoweth aught in his favour, let him come and declare concerning him. And THEY HUNG HIM ON THE EVE OF PESAH."

INCOMING EMAIL, Re: "I AM COMING SOME SEPTEMBER

I am reminded of a story told to me last year about an 11-year-old girl, Kyla, by her mother, Cyndee:

"My daughter, Kyla, who was 11 last year, at the time she was carried into the Spirit by the Lord. It was 3 in the morning and she was up and weeping and told me she had been with Jesus and he had told her some things. A lot was personal for the family but there was something Jesus told her that was amazing. She, to this day, still says Jesus told her, 'I AM COMING SOME SEPTEMBER.' Now I received this! What it means I don't know for sure, but I will say this, SOMETHING very spectacular is fixing to happen and I am excited and Jesus is in IT!! God also told her that her family, meaning her siblings, and me, her Mother and her Dad, would not die until they all see the coming of the Lord." (emphasis mine)

If the reference is to the rapture, let us hope it is this September!

MY REPLY

Thanks for telling us about this. I sure hope September 17, 2012, Trumpets, will be the date of the Rapture.

I listened today to the sermon Mark Biltz gave on the Feast of Trumpets last year. He thought the Rapture would be on the Feast of Trumpets, but said, "We don't set dates. I don't know the year."

He had people blow the 100 blasts on the shofar that are blown on Trumpets. It sounded very much like the trumpet sounds people are hearing from the sky. Hope those are signs that we are drawing nigh.

In the past, I think the Jews blew the shofar 40 days, ending on the Day of Atonement.

In the article,"The Month of Elul and Selichot" at http://www.jewfaq.org/elul.htm it says, "During the month of Elul, from the second day of Elul to the 28th day, the shofar (a hollowed out ram's horn) is blown after morning services every weekday. See Rosh Hashanah for more information about the shofar and its characteristic blasts. The shofar is not blown on Shabbat. It is also not blown on the day before Rosh Hashanah to make a clear distinction between the rabbinical rule of blowing the shofar in Elul and the biblical mitzvah to blow the shofar on Rosh Hashanah."

Elul 2, 5772 will be Aug 20, 2012. The Feast of Trumpets will be Sept 17. The Day of Atonement will be Sept 27.

I hope this season of blowing the trumpets ushers in the First-Trump Rapture on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept 17, 2012. I think the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54 will be on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept 14, 2015.

1Th 4:13-18 says, "I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus (like my husband Ed) will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (Old English for precede) them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up TOGETHER WITH THEM in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

The word translated "together" is G260 hama, A primary particle; properly at the "same" time, but freely used as a preposition or adverb denoting close association: - also, and, together, with (-al).

The word translated "with" is G4862 sun, A primary preposition denoting union; with or together (but much closer than G3326 or G3844), that is, by association, companionship, process, resemblance, possession, instrumentality, addition, etc.: - beside, with. In compounds it has similar applications, including completeness.

Eph_5:31 says, "For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh."

I hope this means that Ed and I will be TOGETHER by the time we meet (eis apanteses, a [friendly] encounter: meet) the Lord in the air. That is comforting.

THE SEPTEMBER BIRTHSTONE IS THE SAPPHIRE, MEANING HEAVEN

Since Jesus was born on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept 4, 5 BC, his birthstone is the sapphire. The Last-Trumpet Rapture will be in September, so their birthstone will be the sapphire. Maybe the First-Trumpet Rapture will be in September so our birthstone will be the sapphire.

It makes sense for the whole body of Christ to have the same birthstone, the sapphire, which means heaven and Saturn, the location of the throne of the only God/man who ever existed, Jesus Christ (Eze 1:1, 26-28). Heaven has a halo, brightness like a rainbow, all around it.

Exo_24:10 says, "And they saw the God of Israel (i.e., on Mt. Sinai): and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven (the heavenly body) in his clearness".

The word sapphire is from the Sanskrit Sani (Saturn) and priya (dear). Sinai is probably derived from Sani, and stands for heaven, Saturn. Agape

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