Pro and Con 1659

Posted 9-10-2012

A YELLOW BELLIED MARMOT AT YOSEMITE

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: THE "GREAT TRIBULATION" IS JUST ANOTHER NAME FOR THE "TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE"

Jeremiah 30:7
"Alas! For that day is GREAT, so that none is like it; And it is the TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE, but he shall be saved out of it." (great trouble in Israel)

Matthew 24:21
"For then there will be GREAT TRIBULATION, such has not been since the beginning of the world until this time..." (great tribulation in Israel)

Ezekiel 25:17
"I will execute GREAT VENGEANCE on them with FURIOUS REBUKES, and they shall know that I am the Lord when I lay MY VENGEANCE upon them." (great vengeance in Israel)

Luke 21:23
"For there will be GREAT DISTRESS in the land and wrath upon this people." (great distress in Israel)

THEREFORE:
All of the aforementioned Scriptures are referring to the very same period of time which is the time of Jacob's great trouble. So you see, it is ONLY the Nation of Israel that will experience the coming Great Trouble, ie. Great Tribulation, ie. Great Vengeance, ie. Great Distress. The Great Tribulation is NOT a world-wide event - Israel owns it. God will give it only to Israel because of their failure to repent. It is called the Gog-Magog War immediately after which the Church/bride is raptured.

Matthew 24:29
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days......(the rapture occurs)."

The rapture occurs immediately before the "hour of trial" wrath of God upon the whole world begins. Nowhere in Scripture does it state that the "great tribulation" is seven-years long or even three and one-half years long for that matter. The "great tribulation" of Israel is exactly the same length as the "time of Jacob's trouble" which is also the Gog-Magog War in Israel.
According to Your Word, come Lord Jesus!

MY COMMENTS

> > THE "GREAT TRIBULATION" IS JUST ANOTHER NAME FOR THE "TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE"....

I think the time of Jacob's trouble is one literal day like no other. It is the Day of God's Wrath and Jesus' Long Day, of which Joshua's Long Day was a type. When the asteroid Wormwood impacts Earth, the world will be turned upside down. It will take some time for it to right itself.

> > Jeremiah 30:7
> > "Alas! For that day is GREAT, so that none is like it; And it is the TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE, but he shall be saved out of it." (great trouble in Israel)

You quoted it correctly. That "DAY," "none is like it".

> > Ezekiel 25:17
> > "I will execute GREAT VENGEANCE on them with FURIOUS REBUKES, and they shall know that I am the Lord when I lay MY VENGEANCE upon them." (great vengeance in Israel)

I think the asteroid Wormwood will destroy Babylon near the Euphrates River. A mountain-sized piece will probably break off of Wormwood at the Roche Limit, 11,000 miles out. This rock will hit the NE Mediterranean Sea. The resulting tsunami will just about wash Gog's army out of Israel. Only 1/6th of that army will be left to flee to Siberia.

> > The Great Tribulation is NOT a world-wide event - Israel owns it.

Then how does Babylon get destroyed?
Rev 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

Why do the dead lay around the Earth? Amos_8:3 says, "there shall be many dead bodies in every place".

Jer_16:4 says, "They shall die of grievous deaths; they shall not be lamented; neither shall they be buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face of the earth: and they shall be consumed by the sword, and by famine; and their carcases shall be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the beasts of the earth."

Isa_24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof."

Here is the verse I saw a rectangle of light on in a darkened room. Jer 50:2 says, "Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not: say, Babylon is taken, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces."

Eze 38:18-20 says, "And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. 19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; 20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground."

Jer_33:5 They come to fight with the Chaldeans, but it is to fill them with the dead bodies of men, whom I have slain in mine anger and in my fury, and for all whose wickedness I have hid my face from this city.

Psa 110:5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
Psa 110:6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries."

> > God will give it only to Israel because of their failure to repent. It is called the Gog-Magog War immediately after which the Church/bride is raptured.

I hope the First-Trump Rapture will be on Monday, the Feast of Trumpets, Sept 17, 2012. We might only have a week left for the Gog-Magog War. It will be stopped by the impacts of two asteroids. One will cause a tsunami to wash Gog's men out of Israel's hair. The other will obliterate Babylon. You might want to watch Fox news this week.

> > Matthew 24:29
> > "Immediately after the tribulation of those days......(the rapture occurs)." The rapture occurs immediately before the "hour of trial" wrath of God upon the whole world begins. Nowhere in Scripture does it state that the "great tribulation" is seven-years long or even three and one-half years long for that matter. The "great tribulation" of Israel is exactly the same length as the "time of Jacob's trouble" which is also the Gog-Magog War in Israel.

Matthew 24:29-31

Do you really see the Rapture in these verses? Please read them carefully. Is anyone picked up from the Earth?

Mat 24:29-31 says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then (tote, at that time, usually meaning at that same time, but not always) shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then (tote, at that time) shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."

Did anyone get picked up from the Earth in these verses? No. These elect were already in Heaven. They were called to the GENERAL ASSEMBLY in Heaven.

Heb 12:22-24 says, "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND CHURCH OF THE FIRSTBORN, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant".

If there are FIRSTBORN, THERE MUST BE LASTBORN. Who are the firstborn and the lastborn? And, what do we know about the calling of THE ASSEMBLY?

Num 10:1-4 says, "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest USE THEM FOR THE CALLING OF THE ASSEMBLY, and for the journeying of the camps. 3 And when they shall blow with them (i.e., both), ALL the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. 4 And IF THEY BLOW BUT WITH ONE TRUMPET, THEN THE PRINCES (i.e., ELDERS), WHICH ARE HEADS OF THE THOUSANDS OF ISRAEL, SHALL GATHER THEMSELVES UNTO THEE."

The elders are the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles of Israel. When are the elders gathered unto the Lord? When the first trumpet is blown, i.e., at the First-Trump Rapture.

Rev 4:1-4 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a TRUMPET talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (first stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (last stone in the breastplate, i.e., he is the first and the last, Jesus Christ): and there was a rainbow (i.e., Saturn's rings) round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald (Judah's stone in the breastplate, because Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah). 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty ELDERS sitting (including John), clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold."

Therefore, the elders appear in Heaven at the time of the First-Trump Rapture. They are in Heaven AFTER one trumpet calls them TO "COME UP HITHER" TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND CHURCH OF THE FIRSTBORN. Who are the firstborn?

Rev 5:8,9 says, “...SAINTS. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation".

The "CHURCH OF THE FIRSTBORN" at the GENERAL ASSEMBLY in Heaven are the believers that are caught up to Heaven when the FIRST TRUMPET sounds. In Mt 24:31, the first trumpet has already called up the elders and church of the firstborn. They are already in Heaven. It says, "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."

The time in Mt 24:31 is after the First-Trump Rapture has taken place. Therefore, the elders and wise-virgin saints are gathered from one end of Heaven to the other.

THE TIME IN MARK 13:26,27 IS DIFFERENT

It says, "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN."

Those gathered from one end of HEAVEN to the other had previously been caught up in the First-Trump Rapture. Those gathered from the EARTH are those gathered at the Last-Trump Rapture.

I'm hoping for the First-Trump Rapture on MONDAY, Sept 17, 2012, the Feast of Trumpets, and the Last-Trump Rapture on MONDAY, Sept 14, 2015, the Feast of Trumpets. We are the Body of Christ, and Christ was born on MONDAY, Sept 4, 5 BC (Julian), the Feast of Trumpets. The sign of Rev 12 was in the sky that night.

The First-Trump Rapture takes place before the seven-sealed book is given to the Lamb, which represents Christ as our Passover, our Saviour. Luke_1:47 says, "And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour." In Rev 4 and 5, Christ sits on the throne because he is God. Therefore, he is represented as our Saviour by a Lamb.

Isa 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH the King of Israel), and I am the last (the Redeemer and YHWH of hosts); and beside me there is no God."

> > THEREFORE:
> > All of the aforementioned Scriptures are referring to the very same period of time which is the time of Jacob's great trouble. So you see, it is ONLY the Nation of Israel that will experience the coming Great Trouble, ie. Great Tribulation, ie. Great Vengeance, ie. Great Distress. The Great Tribulation is NOT a world-wide event - Israel owns it. God will give it only to Israel because of their failure to repent. It is called the Gog-Magog War immediately after which the Church/bride is raptured.

Jacob's Trouble is Jesus' Long Day. The Earth will be turned upside down by two main asteroid pieces. One will hit the NE Mediterranean Sea. The other will obliterate Babylon and create the Lake of Fire. The dead will lay around the world. Only in Israel will they be buried.

Jer 25:29-33 says, "For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts. 30 Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth. 31 A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the LORD. 32 Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth. 33 And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground."

Mal_2:3 says, "Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it."

The feast will be the Feast of Trumpets, probably Monday, Sept 14, 2015. As far as I can determine, it will be the day of the Last-Trump Rapture and the Day of God's Wrath.

Rev 6:12-17 says, "I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE

Rev 7:14 says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

THE WRATH OF GOD

Rev 8:2 "And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets."

Rev 8:10,11 says, "And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star (aster, star, asteroid or meteorite) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood (meaning bitter); and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."

Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (i.e., an asteroid called Wormwood)? 17 Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. 18 He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house.
19 And I will drive thee from thy station (mats-tsawb, military post), and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

SATAN'S MILITARY POST

Gen 3:24 says, "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims (i.e., planets that rise in the east), and a flaming sword (the asteroid Wormwood) which turned every way (rotated and orbited), to keep the way of (or to) the tree of life" (which is in the third heaven Paul was caught up to, II Cor 12:2-4).

THE FOUR CHERUBIM

Eze 1:1 says, "the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God."

Ezekiel looked up in the sky, saw the Sun in the center and four planets (cherubim) orbiting around it in concentric circles, wheels within wheels.

One cherubim is the Earth. Eze 1:15 says, "Now as I beheld the living creatures (lively things), behold one wheel (orbit) upon the EARTH by the living creatures (lively flying things), with his four faces." These four faces were placed at the cardinal compass points when the Israelites camped around the Tabernacle, i.e., these four planets face four directions, North, South, East and West, because they are spheres that fly in spherical orbits, wheels within wheels.

THE THIRD HEAVEN

Eze 1:1 says, "...the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God."

Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space than the terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone (sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear; as September's birthstone, it means heaven): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (the God/man Jesus Christ) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness (Saturn's rings) round about. 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

Josephus, a Pharisee priest, indicated that the lampstand in the Temple stood for 1. the Sun, 2. Mercury, 3. Venus, 4. Earth, 5. Mars, 6. Jupiter, and 7. Saturn.

PAUL WAS CAUGHT UP TO THE THIRD HEAVEN, SATURN

2Co 12:2-4 says, " I knew a man in Christ (Paul himself, he didn't want to boast) above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven (Saturn). 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

THE FLAMING SWORD

Isa_51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (Christ, Isa 53:1); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) Rahab, and wounded the dragon?" Satan was wounded when his planet broke up.

Satan's planet Rahab was split into pieces that became our Asteroid Belt. Satan lives on one asteroid called Wormwood. It is the flaming sword of Gen 3:24. I think it is also the Sword of the Lord that will destroy Babylon.

Eze 10:1,2 says, "Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament that was above the head of the cherubims there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone, as the appearance of the likeness of a throne. 2 And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels (orbits), even under the cherub (Satan, who lives on Wormwood), and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims (terrestrial planets), and scatter them over the city."

In a darkened room, I saw a rectangle of light on Jer 50:2. It says, "Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not: say, Babylon is taken, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces."

I'll sign off tonight with it, "Babylon is taken, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces." Agape

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