Pro and Con 1661
TWO RAPTURES, WHEN SATAN IS CAST OUT OF HEAVEN MID-TRIB
AND JUST BEFORE THE WRATH OF GOD HITS EARTH
By Marilyn Agee, posted 9-23-12
AT THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE, THE BRIDE OF CHRIST WILL BE RAISED UP INCORRUPTIBLE, BUT NOT YET IMMORTAL
1Th 4:13-18 says,"I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (Old English for precede) them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together (hama, at the same time, in close association, together) with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."
AT THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE, AFTER THE TRIBULATION SAINTS ARE ALSO MADE INCORRUPTIBLE, THEN THE WHOLE BODY OF CHRIST WILL BECOME IMMORTAL
1Co 15:22,33 says, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order (tagmati, rank): Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we (including Paul) shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."
FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE PROBABLY AFTER SATAN AND HIS ANGELS ARE CAST OUT OF HEAVEN
By the process of elimination, we are in the process of being shown that the First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:13-18 will probably be Mid-Trib, Nov 8/9, 2012, when Satan is cast out of Heaven.
Rev 12:10-12 says, "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now (arti, just now) is come salvation (soteria, rescue, i.e., the Rapture) , and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe (i.e., Great Tribulation) to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time" (i.e., the shortened Great Tribulation).
Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (egeiro, WAKE FROM SLEEP OR FROM DEATH, LIFT UP, RISE UP, TAKE UP, i.e., at the First-Trump Rapture), and measure the temple of God (we are the Temple of the Holy Spirit), and the altar (maybe representing those that have been killed for their faith), and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses (Moses and Elijah), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation, but it shall be shortened or no flesh would be saved, Mt 24:21,22), clothed in sackcloth."
LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE PROBABLY SEPT. 14, 2015
The Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54 seems to be on the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of God's Wrath, Sept 14, 2015. The two witnesses should prophesy during the shortened Great Tribulation between these two events. Things are falling into place.
Mt 24:21,22 says, "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."
THE SHORTENED GREAT TRIBULATION SEEMS TO BE 1040 DAYS
Dan 8:13,14 says, "Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."
If the first half of the 2300-day Tribulation is 1260 days, the last half would be 1040 days. Evidently, the asteroid Wormwood (Rev 8:8-11) will impact Earth on the Day of God's Wrath in order for it to hit Earth a glancing blow instead of coming in directly on a later pass. That could split the Earth into asteroid chunks. It happened to Satan's planet Rahab. It is now our Asteroid Belt. Counting back 1040 days from the Day of God's Wrath on Sept 14, 2015, puts Mid-Trib on Nov. 8, 2012. Counting forward from Pentecost, May 29, 2009, Mid-Trib would be Nov. 9, because the 2300-day block of time is counted by inclusive reckoning.
THE GENERATIONS OF OLD, BEFORE ADAM
Isa 51:9,10 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient (qedem, aforetime, in front of, from qadam, precede, before) days, IN THE GENERATIONS OF OLD. Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) Rahab (Satan's planet), and wounded the dragon (Satan)? Art thou not it which hath dried the sea, the waters of the great deep".
This may be talking about when a piece of the planet Rahab hit Earth digging the moon material out of the Pacific Basin. Mars got hit too. It has a huge black scar, and it has lost most of its atmosphere and water. Loose dark rocks are scattered over much of its surface. NASA is interested in these rocks.
"Curiosity is about 8 feet (2.5 meters) from the rock. It lies about halfway from Curiosity's landing site, Bradbury Landing, to a location called Glenelg. In coming days, the team plans to touch the rock with a spectrometer to determine its elemental composition and use an arm-mounted camera to take close-up photographs." (http://www.12newsnow.com/story/19589650/nasa-mars-rover-targets-unusual-rock-en-route-to-first-destination)
"Could life have developed on Mars?" Elachi asked. It seems entirely possible, he said: "We believe that there were oceans" on the Red Planet in the distant past - the kind of environment where life is believed to have originated on Earth.
"Even today, images from orbit have given indications of a subsurface layer of flowing water that sometimes spills out on crater and valley walls. Perhaps signs of life will be found there, Elachi said, if and when our robotic emissaries are able to drill down into the Martian subsurface."
Gen 1:9-12 says, "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place (i.e., the Pacific Basin), and let the dry land appear (it had been under water): and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, Let THE EARTH BRING FORTH grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth (i.e., the seeds were already in the earth): and it was so. 12 And THE EARTH BROUGHT FORTH grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good."
THE TWO WITNESSES: MOSES AND ELIJAH, STOOD BY THE LORD OF THE WHOLE EARTH
Rev 11:4 says, "These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth."
Zec 4:11-14 says, "Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? 12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? 13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. 14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth."
Moses and Elijah stood by the Lord of the whole earth at the Transfiguration. It looks like Moses and Elijah will come to Earth at the time of the First-Trump Rapture Mid-Trib.
Mt 17:1-3 says, "And after six days (i.e., after 6000 years) Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up (anaphero, to take up) into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him."
Mar 9:2-4 says, "And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up (anaphero, to take up, representing the Rapture) into an high mountain (i.e., representing the 3rd Heaven; II Cor 12:1-4) apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them. 3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding WHITE AS SNOW; so as no fuller on earth can white them. 4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus."
Of the time of the First-Trump Rapture, Rev 1:12-18 says, "And I (i.e., John) turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks (i.e., representing the 7 churches); 13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle (i.e., a symbol of deity). 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as WHITE AS SNOW; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. 17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."
INCOMING EMAIL, RE: 70 Weeks of Daniel (Day of the Crucifixion)
Matthew 12:40 Christ said the Son of man will be in the heart three days and three nights.
We must believe what Christ said otherwise we make Him out a liar. He said three days and three nights in the heart of the earth SO we must stand upon what He said. We cannot make the three days and three nights MORE or LESS. If we say He spent more or less time in the heart of the earth we make Yahshua a liar. If He lied about the three days and three nights, then how can we believe anything He said.
I myself believe that Christ spent a FULL three days and three nights in the heart of the earth, I do not believe He lied. He was placed in the heart of the earth on Wednesday evening around sundown and raised in the ending of the of the Sabbath day around sundown, giving Him a full three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Christ had to be resurrected in the end of the Sabbath day, for the new beginning to be in effect on the first day of the week.
Zechariah 3: shows us the Angels of the LORD removed the filthy garment from Christ, that took most of the night, preparing Christ for His ascension the next day.
John 20:17 Christ spoke to Mary saying touch Me not for I have not yet ascended to the Father.
Christ cannot lie OR exaggerate because He is the spoken Word of the Almighty God.
It is impossible to get three days and three nights between Thursday through Sunday. Mary and the other women went to the tomb while it was still dark on Sunday morning, John 20:1. If Christ would have been placed in the tomb on Thursday nearing sundown as you say, He would have been in the grave for approximately two and one half days and nights. Therefore if we say He only spent approximately two and one half days and nights in the heart of the earth, we take away from what the Word of God says. We know that the Word says about those who add to or take away from the Word, READ Revelation 22:18, 19. 18For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
I would HATE to be one who added to or took away from the Word of God.
All I am trying to do is show you that WE MUST stand on what the Scripture says without adding to or taking away from the Scripture.
> > Then how do you understand Rev 12:7-9, which is still future? It says, "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
Revelation 12:7-9 is not future but fulfilled. Jude 1:9 tells us what the battle was over, 9Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"
Satan had every right to the body of Moses until the blood of Christ was offered. Because Moses was conceived in sin, so Satan thought he was still entitled to the body of Moses but the blood of Christ paid the price. Therefore Satan was kicked out of heaven, he no longer had any rights in heaven. Satan cannot go into heaven accusing the people of God for any wrong BECAUSE the blood of Christ covered all our sin. IF God would have allowed Satan to stay in heaven accusing the Saints of God of sin, IT would have been like him saying the blood of Christ was insufficient, so God kicked him out when Christ was resurrected. Because the Almighty God knew the blood of His Son was sufficient.
Revelation 12: the woman clothed with the sun was Mary about to give birth to Christ. The Almighty God shined upon Mary with His Glory giving her the privilege to give birth to His only begotten Son.
Verse 5 says she (Mary) bore a male Child who was to rule the nations with a rod of iron. Her (Mary) Child (Yahshua) was caught up to God and His throne. Yahshua was the only one this could have been referring too that was caught up to God and His throne.
When Christ was caught up to God and His throne, Immediately war broke out with Michael and the Angels against Satan and Michael and the Angels prevailed.
Immediately Verse 9 we see Satan kicked out of heaven.
Verse 17 says that Satan was very angry. So when John saw Satan being cast down to the earth in his anger, Satan appeared to John as star falling burning like a torch. Satan was very bitter when he was cast down to the earth and he went out to make war with those who keep the Commandments of God and have the testimonies of Yahshua. When Satan waged war against the people of God, he turned the living water into bitter water.
> > Also, how do you take Rev 17:8? It says, "The beast (i.e., Satan) that thou sawest was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man now); and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition (the False Prophet): and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."
Revelation 17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Judas was a son of perdition, meaning Judas was a son of hell. Judas was much like what Yahshua said to the Pharisees in Matthew 23:15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
If we look at verse 8 closely, we see the beast that John saw, had no kingdom at the time John was living in, but the beast that John saw beast WILL ascend out of the bottomless pit.
Abraham and Hagar gave birth to Ishmael and Ishmael was the beginning the evil to come, that would ascend from the bottomless pit and take his kingdom. Ishmael was the father of the Muslim people, meaning the beast was. The Muslim people was lived during the time John wrote the book of Revelation, but had no kingdom, meaning is not. So when the world see the beast rise up out of the bottomless pit they will be amazed....
This false peace will last only three and one half years, before the locusts rise up and destroy Mystery Babylon in Revelation 17, because God will implant the destruction of Babylon in their hearts, Revelation 17:17.
Babylon means to babble, every person that teaches or prophecy falsely, is a part of Babylon, BECAUSE they go here and there babbling false doctrine and false prophecies.
So it is very clear to me how the beast was and is not and yet is. The bottomless pit is NOT the fiery pit that was created for Satan and his angels. The bottomless pit is something that has no end. The LORD revealed to me there is NO end to Child bearing so the beast that John will ascend from Child bearing.
Hell is a fiery pit created for Satan and his angels, however many people are making themselves sons and daughters of perdition because they drink bitter water.
> > Since the asteroid of Rev 8:8 will impact the NE Mediterranean Sea, I take it that there will be a tsunami, an overflowing flood. At that time, Damascus will cease being a city.
Most people who studies the Scripture looks to the natural for prophecy fulfillment.
The hardest thing for the people of God to do is, think Spiritual. We must look deeper than the surface to find the Spirit.
Yahshua said to the woman at the well, the Father were looking for people to worship Him in Spirit and truth. The LORD spoke to me and said, IF you want to understand what Spirit and truth is, look to the teachings of Christ and do likewise.
Christ worship the Father in Spirit and truth. Christ spoke only what the Father told Him to say. The parables came from the mouth of the Almighty God and Christ taught His followers the parables. The parables were earthly truths with a heavenly meaning.
Therefore every Word that proceeds from the of God (The Spirit) will be Spirit and truth.
The parable of the sower was about the Word of God being planted in different kinds of people.
Revelation 8:8, must be fulfilled with the Spirit and not according to the natural.
The LORD will NEVER use anything physical to fulfill Biblical prophecy with any possibility of man changing it. With today's technology it could be possible that man could change the course of an asteroid before it impact the Mediterranean sea. However, all of the technology in the world could not change the course of the prophecy the LORD have shown me. The only way this prophecy could change is: if the eyes of people were opened up to Spirit and Truth.
An asteroid is a physical and natural substance, and should be rejected, as the fulfillment.
When I see Revelation 8:8 by the Spirit I see something far greater than the natural could ever deliver. I see a GREAT Multitude of people being lead astray by the will of the Satan, through false doctrine and false prophecy. This multitude of people have been drinking bitter water (Wormwood) since the abomination of desolation entered into the hearts (Temple) of man 1290 days after the Resurrection of Christ. This bitter water leads to death, because it corrupted the living waters the people of God received on the Day of Pentecost.
When truth is presented to those who drinks the bitter water Immediately they take offence to the truth.
Satan can and does manifest himself as an angel of light and most of the people of God believe every thing Satan brings. All of the false doctrine and false prophecies will bring death, unless the eyes are opened to the truth.
Deuteronomy 29 speaks of a root of bitterness or wormwood dwelling in the heart of His people. False doctrine and false prophecies is the same as turning away from the LORD to serve other gods.
Jeremiah 9:15 13 And the Lord said, "Because they have forsaken My law which I set before them, and have not obeyed My voice, nor walked according to it, 14but they have walked according to the dictates of their own hearts and after the Baals, which their fathers taught them," 15therefore thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: "Behold, I will feed them, this people, with wormwood, and give them water of gall to drink.
Jeremiah 23:14,15 Also I have seen a horrible thing in the prophets of Jerusalem:
They commit adultery and walk in lies;
They also strengthen the hands of evildoers,
So that no one turns back from his wickedness.
All of them are like Sodom to Me,
And her inhabitants like Gomorrah.
15Therefore thus says the Lord of hosts concerning the prophets:
'Behold, I will feed them with wormwood,
And make them drink the water of gall;
For from the prophets of Jerusalem
Profaneness has gone out into all the land.
Amos 6:12 12 Do horses run on rocks?
Does one plow there with oxen?
Yet you have turned justice into gall,
And the fruit of righteousness into wormwood,
Wormwood does not sound like an asteroid to me, it sounds more like people has turned righteousness into something bitter that brings death.
The literal temple means nothing to the LORD, but He is concerned only of His holy temple in which He dwells. Our bodies are the temple in which God made without hands. Satan entered into the temple that was made without hands 1290 days after Christ was Resurrected.
Satan is setting in the temple that was made without hands, doing signs and wonders making the people think he is God. When Satan entered the temple that was made without hands, he began drawing the people away from the righteousness of the LORD, that was the beginning of the falling away.
Eze 38:18-23 says, "And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. 19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; 20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. 21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. 22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD."
If people truly understood the prophecy from Ezekiel they would take on a new mindset.
Gog represents a mindset that rules over the people like a prince. Hatred rules these people.
In Ezekiel 39:2 says I will turn you around and lead you on, bringing you up from the far north, and bring you against the mountains of Israel.
The LORD will bring them up from the north, we MUST understand the further north we go the COLDER it gets. North represents a people who so far from the TRUTH they are very cold. So the further away from the truth a person gets the colder he gets....We see in Revelation 11 where they are rejoicing and sending one another gifts because the two prophets are dead.
The LORD spoke in Ezekiel 38 of a great earthquake, this earthquake represents the hearts of people failing due to fear, of the things that is happening in the earth. We were made from the dust of the earth and in fear we quake and shake. Many people will not be prepared for the torture and torment that is about come.
Because they have been lead astray by the will of the enemy, saying you shall surly not die, but you shall have peace and safety, meaning bitter water.
Israel represents the people of God, NOT physical Israel. Physical Israel must bow to the King of Kings before she can become a Jew, Romans 2:28. So what I see is Israel represents a righteous people that God chose to dwell with, NOT physical Israel, and they are the ones this cruel coldhearted people will rise up against. Physical Israel is of the flesh and she must die to the flesh before she can see Yahshua as the Messiah.
The flesh has five laws that rules and they are: touch, taste, smell, seeing and hearing, these are all carnal laws that must be put to death every day, so that the Spirit man can live. When we have died to the carnal law we are resurrected with Christ. It was flesh that hung on the tree, therefore cursed is everyone that hangs on the tree.
The flesh of Christ had to die because it was full of sin that He took on for us, but He was resurrected into a Glorified body. Now we can be resurrected with Him, IF we die out to the flesh. If we die to the flesh we will no longer see carnal things like asteroids but we will see all things by the Spirit.
> > We must believe what Christ said otherwise we make Him out a liar. He said three days and three nights in the heart of the earth SO we must stand upon what He said. We cannot make the three days and three nights MORE or LESS. If we say He spent more or less time in the heart of the earth we make Yahshua a liar. If He lied about the three days and three nights, then how can we believe anything He said.
We can trust him. He does not lie. Rabbinical literature shows that a portion of a day is as the whole day.
Rabbi Eleazar ben Azariah, tenth in the descent from Ezra was very specific: "A day and a night are an Onah ['a portion of time'] and the portion of an Onah is as the whole of it" [J.Talmud, Shabbath 9.3 and b.Talmud, Pesahim 4a] (http://christianthinktank.com/q3rdday.html)
> > I myself believe that Christ spent a FULL three days and three nights in the heart of the earth, I do not believe He lied. He was placed in the heart of the earth on Wednesday evening around sundown and raised in the ending of the of the Sabbath day around sundown, giving Him a full three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Christ had to be resurrected in the end of the Sabbath day, for the new beginning to be in effect on the first day of the week.
> > READ Revelation 22:18,19. For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
I would HATE to be one who added to or took away from the Word of God.
All I am trying to do is show you that WE MUST stand on what the Scripture says without adding to or taking away from the Scripture....
> > Christ cannot lie OR exaggerate because He is the spoken Word of the Almighty God.
> > It is impossible to get three days and three nights between Thursday through Sunday.
It seems easy to me.
Friday: night then DAY
Saturday: night then DAY
I STAND ON WHAT THE SCRIPTURES SAY.
Luke 24:1 says, "Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices".
Luke 24:6,7 says, "He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee, 7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
Luk 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
SO THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, SUNDAY, WAS THE THIRD DAY SINCE. THUS SATURDAY WAS THE SECOND DAY SINCE, AND FRIDAY WAS THE FIRST DAY SINCE THE CRUCIFIXION ON THURSDAY.
That seems easy to understand. I accept it.
> > Revelation 12:7-9 is not future but fulfilled.
The Revelation of Jesus Christ is still future. Rev 1:19 says, "Write the things which thou hast seen (i.e., before the Rapture), and the things which are (i.e., at the time of the Rapture), and the things which shall be hereafter" (after the Rapture). The First-Trump Rapture is in Rev 4:1. It hasn't taken place yet. Everything after the Rapture will be "hereafter".
> > The word Rapture has been added to the Word of God, therefore I hate that word and I will not use it, Because I have read Revelation 22:18-19. Adding to and taking from the Word of God is sinning against the LORD and He will blot their names out of the lambs book of life.
1Th 4:16-18 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."
The Greek word translated caught up is harpazo. When translated into Latin, it is raeptius. That came into English as Rapture. If you don't like that, you could just call it the catching away. Most people would understand that.
harpazo: From a derivative of G138; to seize (in various applications): - catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force). (Strong's Concordance)
"Rapture critics like to claim that the word "rapture" is not located in the Bible. It may not be in the King James, but the word "rapture" is found in the Bible, if you have the Latin Vulgate produced by Jerome in the early 400s. The Vulgate was the main Bible of the medieval Western Church until the Reformation. It continues to this day as the primary Latin translation of the Roman Catholic Church. It was Protestants who introduced the word "rapture" into the English language from the Latin raeptius. It was Jerome's Vulgate that translated the original Greek verb harpazo used by Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, in 1 Thes. 4:17, which is usually translated into English with the phrase "caught up." The leading Greek Lexicon says that harpazo means "snatch, seize, i.e., take suddenly and vehemently." This is the same meaning of the Latin word rapio "to seize, snatch, tear away." It should not be surprising to anyone, that an English word was developed from the Latin which we use today known as "rapture." (4) "
> > Revelation 8:8, must be fulfilled with the Spirit and not according to the natural.
> > The LORD will NEVER use anything physical to fulfill Biblical prophecy with any possibility of man changing it. With today's technology it could be possible that man could change the course of an asteroid before it impact the Mediterranean sea.
The problem is that it takes too long to manufacture a vehicle that could do the job. We don't have one ready.
> > Wormwood does not sound like an asteroid to me, it sounds more like people has turned righteousness into something bitter that brings death.
It sounds like an asteroid to me. It is "a stone".
Rev 8:8-11 says, "And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. 10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star (aster, star, asteroid or meteorite) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."
Rev 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all." Agape
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