Pro and Con 1662

Posted 9-29-2012

A "PINK SEA HORSE"

BOTH RAPTURES ARE PROBABLY REPRESENTED IN
REVELATION 11's "RISE" AND "COME UP HITHER"

By Marilyn Agee

FIRST RAPTURE: "RISE" AT MID-TRIB

Rev 11:1-3 says, "Rise, and measure the temple of God (i.e., we are the temple of the Holy Spirit), and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall (i.e., in the future) they tread under foot forty and two months (the last half of the Tribulation). 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall (in the Great Tribulation) prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth".

The word "Rise" is the Greek ageiro, Strong's G1453: "Probably akin to the base of G58 (through the idea of collecting one's faculties); to waken (transitively or intransitively), that is, rouse (literally from sleep, from sitting or lying, from disease, from death; or figuratively from obscurity, inactivity, ruins, nonexistence): - awake, lift (up), raise (again, up), rear up, (a-) rise (again, up), stand, take up."

That sounds like the Rapture. I have often wondered if it stood for the Rapture. Now, I feel sure that it does.

The 1260 days represent the Great Tribulation, the latter half of the 7-year Tribulation, which is to be shortened to 1040 days (2300-1260, Dan 8:13,14). If the Feast of Trumpets, Sept 14, 2015, is the Day of God's Wrath, the day of the last Rapture (Rev 6:17; 7:14), and I think it is, this would put the first Rapture Mid-Trib, Nov 8/9, 2012.

The reason I put 8/9 is that the 2300 days are counted by inclusive reckoning, because they are a block of time. If you count 1040 days from the beginning of the Tribulation on Pentecost, May 29, 2012, you get Nov 9.

THE FIRST RAPTURE: "COME UP HITHER" IN REV 4:1

"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

THE LAST RAPTURE: "COME UP HITHER" ON THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH IN REV 11:12

It says, "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud".

When do they ascend? after the 6th seal is broken, after the day of the wrath of God begins, but before the 7 angels are given the 7 trumpets.

Rev 6:12 says, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood".

Rev 6:17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 7:14 says, "And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

Rev 8:1,2 says, "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets."

AS CHRIST'S MILLENNIAL KINGDOM BEGINS, THE SAINTS ARE GIVEN THEIR REWARDS IN HEAVEN AND GOD'S WRATH HITS EARTH

Rev 11:15-17 says, "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art (i.e., on the Day of God's Wrath, Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015), and wast (at the First Advent), and art to come (at the Second Advent 7 months later, on Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned."

I think his kingdom will begin Tishri 1 (Feast of Trumpets), the Jubilee will be announced Tishri 10 (Day of Atonement), and the Jubilee Year will start the following Nisan 1, 5776, April 9 (anniversary of the Resurrection in 30 AD), 2016.

THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST

Rev 11:18,19 says, "And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged (i.e., at the Judgement Seat of Christ), and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. 19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."

This earthquake will be worldwide. It will be caused by the impact of Satan's home asteroid called Wormwood.

Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon, near the Euphrates River) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here (in Babylon), as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a ROCK? (i.e., the asteroid Wormwood) 17 Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. 18 He will surely violently turn and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country (Iraq): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. 19 And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

Rev 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city (not a nation) Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

It looks like the asteroid impact will dig the Lake of Fire.

Rev_19:20 says, "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev_20:10 says, "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The verse I saw a rectangle of light on in a darkened room was Jer 50:2. It says, "Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not: say, Babylon is taken, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces."

Rev 17:18 says, "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city (i.e., Vatican City), which reigneth over the kings of the earth." It gets moved to Babylon in the desert. There, it will be destroyed.

Rev 17:3 says, "So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness (eremos, desert, i.e., Babylon): and I saw a woman ("MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH") sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns."

The first head of the "scarlet coloured beast" represents the Tower of Babel. The second was Babylon II. The third was Media-Persia. The fourth was Greece. The fifth was the Holy Roman Empire. The sixth is the Ecclesiastical Roman Empire. The seventh head of the "scarlet coloured beast" will be Babylon III.

A POST ON FIVE DOVES, RE:"Nuclear War to start during the Feast of Tabernacles"

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/sep2012/reneem922-1.htm

Fire offerings were presented to the Lord on everyday of the Feast of Tabernacles. Zechariah prophesied about a "fire offering" and described it as a nuclear missile in the book of Zechariah 5:1-9: I, Zechariah, looked up and saw a flying roll in the sky. And the angel that was showing me these things said, "What do you see?" I answered, "I see a flying roll; 34.3 feet long, and 5.5 feet in diameter." Then he said, "This is the curse that will afflict the entire land of Israel. Every one that steals and every one that swears falsely by my name will be destroyed by it. And I will bring it forth, says YHWH T'zavaot. This flying roll that you see, will completely consume the timbers and stones of the house of the thief, and he that swears falsely by my name." Then the angel said, "Look up and see what this flying roll is." And I responded, "What is it?" And he said,

"This is a container that flies." He said, "Furthermore, this is their appearance throughout the whole earth." Then I saw a mass of lead and a fire offering, as it was lifted up and secured in the container. And he said, "The fire that you see being put in the container, is an evil fire offering." Then he secured the fire offering in the container and put the lead mass in the opening. Then I looked up and saw as two fires came out of the container, and the fires caused the wind to lift the container by its 'stork like' wings, from the earth into the sky.

MY REPLY

I don't think Zech 5 is talking about nuclear war. It will probably be a lot worse than nuclear war, because it will cover the whole earth. The dead will lay around the earth. The globe will be knocked upside down. Every wall will fall. All cities will be in shambles. It will impact Earth on the Day of God's Wrath, which I think will be the Feast of Trumpets, Sept 14, 2015.

After many years of study, here is what I think Zechariah 5 means. I am using the KJV.

First, to get us properly oriented, notice what verse 4 says about the rotating orbiting thing, "I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts."

Man will not do it, God will. It isn't a man-made object. It is a God-made object that flies in the sky. Since it is twice as long as wide, it is probably an asteroid. I think it is Satan's home, Wormwood. He hewed out himself a home there after his planet, Rahab, was split apart forming our Asteroid Belt.

When the planet Rahab broke up, I think Mars was hit by rocks. It has lost most of its water, and was marked by a large black scar plus jagged dark loose rocks scattered all over the place on an orange-looking surface. They obviously came from somewhere else.

I think Earth was also hit. The material that came out of the Pacific Basin coalesced and formed our Moon. It has the same minerals as Earth. Most of the granite gone from the Pacific Basin ended up on the Moon.

I think Earth will get hit again causing a worldwide earthquake. This time, I expect Satan's home, Wormwood, to hit Earth.

Gen 1:1-10 says, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was (lit., became) without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. 6 And God said, Let there be a firmament (expanse of space) in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. 9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place (i.e., the Pacific Basin), and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good."

Our high atmosphere is hit by small water comets every day. Some of that water may have come from Rahab and Mars. Saturn's "sea of glass" ice crystals that form it's ring system may have come from somewhere else too. Saturn has a moon that looks like a huge ball of ice.

WHO IS THE LORD OF HOSTS?

Isa 44:6 makes this clear. It says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, and his REDEEMER the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH King of Israel), and I am the last (YHWH of hosts, the redeemer, i.e., Jesus Christ); and beside me there is no God."

Verse 8 says, "Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God."

Verse 24 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH), thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself".

Isa 45:5 says, "I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me".

Isa 45:21,22 says, "there is no God else beside me; a just God AND a Saviour; there is none beside me. 22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."

Isa 46:9,10 says, "I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 Declaring THE END from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done".

To me, ancient times means before Adam, when the angels were tested. Man may have been created to prove a point to Satan. If man, who cannot see God, can obey Him, God would be proved to be just in consigning the fallen angels to prison. They could see God and failed.

Isa 47:4,5 says, "As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel."5 Sit thou silent, and get thee into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called, The lady of kingdoms."

Isa 48:2 For they call themselves of the holy city, and stay themselves upon the God of Israel; The LORD of hosts is his name."

Isa 48:12,13 says, "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first (YHWH king of Israel), I also am the last (YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer)." 13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together."

Isa 48:16-18 says, "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me" (i.e., Jesus). There is the Trinity, the Father, Holy Spirit, and Son of God. Jesus is all of them, wrapped up in one.17 Thus saith the LORD, THY REDEEMER, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. 18 O that thou hadst hearkened to MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea".

YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer, was the one that sat on the sapphire pavement on Mt. Sinai, and gave Israel the ten commandments. He is also the one sitting on the sapphire throne in Heaven in Eze 1:1 and 26, the only God/man. Sapphire is September's birthstone, and means Heaven. Jesus was conceived on Kislev 24 (Haggai 2, 18,19) and was born on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 4, 5 BC, so the sapphire is his birthstone. Sapphire also means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear.

In Rev 1:8, he said, " I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." In Rev 22:13, he said, " I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."

WHAT DOES ZECHARIAH FIVE MEAN?

Zec 5:1-3 says, "Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll. 2 And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll (megillah, from galal to roll, i.e., an orbiting rotating thing, i.e., Satan's asteroid Wormwood, Rev 8:11); the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits. 3 Then said he unto me, This is THE CURSE that goeth forth (i.e., orbits) over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it".

THE CURSE THAT ORBITS OVER THE FACE OF THE EARTH/THE FLAMING SWORD/THE SWORD OF THE LORD

Jer_12:12 "THE SWORD OF THE LORD shall devour from the one end of the land even to the other end of the land: no flesh shall have peace."

Prov 3:32,33 says, "his SECRET is with the righteous. 33 THE CURSE OF THE LORD IS in THE HOUSE (or PALACE) OF THE WICKED (SATAN)".

Prov 26:2 As...the swallow by flying, so THE CURSE causeless shall not come." Gog's army will attack Israel, bringing on the wrath of God.

Isa_24:6 Therefore hath THE CURSE devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left." That catastrophe is when Satan's asteroid Wormwood impacts Babylon, and a piece of it broken off at the Roche Limit 11,000 miles out hits the NE Mediterranean Sea (Rev 8:8). The latter will defeat Gog's army that will be attacking Israel on the Day of God's Wrath (Eze 38:18f). Only 1/6th of Gog's forces will be left to flee to Siberia (Eze 39:2-5).

Rev 8:10,11 says, "And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star (aster, star, asteroid or meteorite) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood (meaning bitter): and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."

Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here (Babylon)? and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (SATAN) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and THAT GRAVETH AN HABITATION FOR HIMSELF IN A ROCK (i.e., an asteroid)? 17 Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. 18 He will surely violently turn and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country (Babylon near the Euphrates River): there shalt thou die (i.e., the curse will probably dig the Lake of Fire), and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. 19 And I will drive thee from thy station (min maamad, from thy position, i.e., from his military post as the flaming sword guarding the way to Paradise/Heaven), and from thy state shall he pull thee down (haras, throw down)."

THE ASTEROID WORMWOOD BECAME SATAN'S HOME WHEN HIS PLANET RAHAB WAS SPLIT INTO PIECES FORMING OUR ASTEROID BELT

Isa 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (Jesus); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old (when the angels were tried). Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) Rahab (Satan's planet), and wounded the dragon (Satan)?"

Gen 3:24 says, "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east (i.e., that rise in the eastern sky) of the garden of Eden Cherubims (i.e., planets), and A FLAMING SWORD (Satan's asteroid Wormwood) which turned every way (i.e., it rotated and orbited), to keep the way of (or to) the tree of life" (which is in the third Heaven [II Cor 12:2-4], 1. Mars, 2. Jupiter, and 3. Saturn).

2Cor 12:2-4 says, "I knew a man in Christ (Paul himself, he didn't want to boast) above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to THE THIRD HEAVEN (Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, where PARADISE is located). 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up into PARADISE, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

THE CURSE, SATAN'S ASTEROID WORMWOOD

Zec 5:3,4 says, "Then said he unto me, This is THE CURSE that goeth forth (i.e., orbits) over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it. 4 I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief (i.e., the False Prophet), and into the house of him (probably the apostate Pope, the Antichrist) THAT SWEARETH FALSELY BY MY NAME: and it shall remain in the midst of his house (i.e., in Babylon after Vatican City is moved to the desert), and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."

Rev 17:3-5 says, "So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness (eremos, desert): and I saw a woman (a religious group) sit upon a scarlet coloured beast (i.e., Satan), full of names of blasphemy (i.e., one is Pontifex Maximus, for Jesus is the High Priest), having seven heads (1. Babel, 2. Babylon II, 3. Media/Persia, 4. Greece, 5. Holy Roman Empire, 6. Ecclesiastical Roman Empire, and 7. Babylon III) and ten horns (kings). 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication (joining together): 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."

Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great CITY (i.e., Vatican City), which reigneth over the kings of the earth".

Zec 5:5-11 says, "Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see WHAT IS THIS THAT GOETH FORTH. 6 And I said, What is it? (Vatican City) And he said, This is an ephah (a measure for wheat, i.e., a church group) that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth (Catholic means universal). 7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman (i.e., a church) that sitteth in the midst of the ephah. 8 And he said, THIS IS WICKEDNESS. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof. 9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women (probably Protestants and Catholics), and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. 10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? 11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar (where the Tower of Babel was built, i.e., in Babylon near the Euphrates River): and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base" (i.e., the foundation of the Tower of Babel). Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone (i.e., the asteroid Wormwood) like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great CITY Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all." I think the asteroid impact will dig the Lake of Fire. Agape

"THE HERESIES OF BENEDICT XVI"

(http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/BenedictXVI_mainpage.php)

"Benedict XVI also denies Jesus Christ in his book Milestones:

"Benedict XVI, Milestones, 1998, pages 53-54: "I have ever more come to the realization that Judaism... and the Christian faith described in the New Testament are two ways of appropriating Israel's Scriptures, two ways that, in the end, are both determined by the position one assumes with regard to the figure of Jesus of Nazareth. The Scripture we today call Old Testament is in itself open to both ways..."

"Benedict XVI again declares that Scripture is open to holding the Jewish view of Jesus, that Jesus is not the Son of God. This is precisely why Benedict XVI repeatedly teaches the heresy that Jews don't need to believe in Christ for salvation.

"Benedict XVI, Zenit News story, Sept. 5, 2000: "[W]e are in agreement that a Jew, and this is true for believers of other religions, does not need to know or acknowledge Christ as the Son of God in order to be saved..."

"Benedict XVI, God and the World, 2000, pages 150-151: "...their [the Jews] No to Christ brings the Israelites into conflict with the subsequent acts of God, but at the same time we know that they are assured of the faithfulness of God. They are not excluded from salvation..."

"This is a total rejection of Catholic dogma."

"In 2001, the Pontifical Biblical Commission released a book entitled The Jewish People and Their Sacred Scriptures in the Christian Bible. This book rejects the dogma that the Old Covenant has ceased. It teaches that the Old Covenant is still valid, and that the Jews' wait for the Coming of the Messiah (which was part of the Old Covenant) is also still valid. It teaches that Jesus doesn't have to be seen as the prophesied Messiah; it is possible to see Him, as the Jews do, as not the Messiah and not the Son of God."

MY THOUGHTS

It is possible to see Him that way if you don't want to be caught up in the First-Trump Rapture, but John 3:16-18 says, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

In the Old Testament, Isa 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH the King of Israel), and I am the last (his redeemer the YHWH of hosts); and beside me there is no God."


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