Pro and Con 1664

Posted 10-7-2012

CHRIST AND HIS BRIDE FACES STILL APPEAR ON THE WAILING WALL

GORGEOUS AURORA

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap121005.html

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: Can there be a FIRST RESURRECTION before the FIRST RESURRECTION?

Doesn't the Bible seem to clearly enough contrast and compare JUST TWO BIG SITUATIONS / JUST TWO BIG EVENTS ... ahead?

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, (A) some to everlasting life, and (B) some to shame and everlasting contempt. (Daniel 12)

15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the (A) just and (B) unjust. (Acts 24)

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which ALL that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; (A) they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and (B) they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (John 5)

And finally, we are clearly enough taught that THESE TWO BIG EVENTS are (a little over) 1000 years apart ...

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; (A) and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 (B) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. (A)This is the first resurrection.

6 (A) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (Revelation 20)

Please NOTE:

THIS BLESSED AND HOLY FIRST RESURRECTION EXPLICITLY INCLUDES... and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands. (Revelation 20:4)

Now ... we are also plainly enough taught that this next BIG HOLY BLESSED EVENT, THE FIRST RESURRECTION, will precede the rapture:

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (come before) them which are asleep. (1 Thessalonians)

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (1 Corinthians 15)

Can there be a FIRST resurrection before the FIRST resurrection?

Now, in light of the above scriptures, what must take place FIRSTLY, before the rapture?

1.- And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. (Daniel 12:1)

- and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands. (Revelation 20:4)

2.- And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life (Daniel 12:2)

- a resurrection of the dead, both of thejust (Acts 24:15)

- they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life (John 5:29)

- and they lived (Revelation 20:4)

Then, and only then ....

- we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord ... we shall be changed (1 Thessalonians 15; 1 Corinthians 15)

Can there really be a FIRST resurrection before the FIRST resurrection? (so that the rapture can come AFTER the dead IN Christ are raised FIRST?

MY REPLY

> > Can there be a FIRST resurrection before the FIRST resurrection?

Yes. As I understand it, there are several ranks in the First Resurrection. Christ and those that came out of their graves after his resurrection. Then the two Raptures, one after Satan and his fallen angels are cast out of Heaven at Mid-Trib, the other on the Day of God's Wrath.

1Co 15:22,23 says, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order (tagmati, rank, a series or progression): Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming (parousia, being near, presence)."

FIRST RANK

Nisan 16, 3790, Sunday, April 9, 30 AD (Julian) It looks like the Second Advent will be on the first day of the Jubilee, Sacred and Regnal years, Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016.

1Co_15:20 "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept."

1. Christ was resurrected, then ascended on the 40th day. At the time of the Resurrection, some of the dead came out of their graves and were seen in Jerusalem. Christ took the contents of the compartment in the Earth called Paradise to Heaven.

Luk_23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Paradise was in the third heaven when Paul was caught up to it.

2Co 12:2-4 says, "I knew a man in Christ (Paul himself, he didn't want to boast) above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven (1. Mars, 2. Jupiter, and 3. Saturn). 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter".

Eze 1:1 Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.

Eze 1:26-28 says,"And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (i.e., the only God/man is Jesus) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about (Saturn's rings). 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

Rev_2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

SECOND RANK

Jas_1:18 says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."

2. Here is I Thess 4:16,17. It is the First-Trump Rapture. There are two stages to it. The dead get their resurrection bodies first, then the living saints are caught up together with them in the clouds. These become incorruptible, but not yet immortal.

1Th 4:13-18 says, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep (i.e., the dead in Christ), that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (Old English for precede) them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

Rev 4:1 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither".

THIRD RANK

3. Here is I Cor 15:51-54. It is the Last-Trump Rapture, and takes place on the Day of God's Wrath, just before the sword of the Lord, an asteroid named Wormwood, hits Earth.

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we (including Paul) shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

Rev 6:17 "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 7:9 "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands"

Rev 14:1-4 says, "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb."

Dan 12:1 says, "And at that time (i.e., when the False Prophet will be deposed, 11:45) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time (Day of the Lord, Day of God's Wrath) thy people (i.e., the 144,000 Israelites) shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book."

Jer_30:7 says, "Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it."

Isa_34:8 says, "For it is the day (Tishri 1, 5776) of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences (5776) for the controversy of Zion."

Zep_2:2,3 says, "Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you. 3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be HID in the day of the LORD'S anger."

Jer_46:10 says, "For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword (sword of the Lord, the asteroid Wormwood, Rev 8:11) shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates."

Act_2:20 says, "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come".

This Solar eclipse will come on Sept 13, 2015, the Eve of Trumpets, before the Day of the Lord comes on Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015.

http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEcat5/SE2001-2100.html
09542 2015 Sep 13 06:55:19 69 194 125 P -t -1.1004 0.7875 72S 2W 0

The Last-Trump Rapture will come on that Feast of Trumpets.
From the Six-Day War in 1967 + 1 generation (48.33 years, Mt 1:17) = the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015.

Joe_2:1 says, "Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand".

Rev 6:12-17 says, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath (i.e., the Day of the Lord) is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

2Pe_3:10 says, "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

Rev 7:14 "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

Isa 34:1-10 says, "Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it. 2 For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter. 3 Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood. 4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. 5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea (i.e., Petra, where those will be caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture just in time), and upon the people of my curse, to judgment. 6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea. 7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness. 8 For it is the DAY (Tishri 1, 5776) of the LORD'S vengeance, and the YEAR (5776) of recompences for the controversy of Zion. 9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. 10 It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever."

"Idumea," by Wayne Blank
http://www.keyway.ca/htm2001/20010521.htm
"The region is known in various translations of The Bible as Idumea (Isaiah 34:5-6, Ezekiel 35:15), "the field of Edom" (Genesis 32:3), "the land of Edom" (Genesis 36:16). Also, because it is, in part, mountainous, it was also known as "the mountains of Esau" or "the mountain of Seir" (Obadiah 1:8,9,19,21). The southern part of Edom was known as Teman.

"Sela, more popularly known by the Greek name Petra, is within Edom (2 Kings 14:7)."

Gen 32:3 says, "And Jacob sent messengers before him to Esau his brother unto the land of Seir, the country of Edom." Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: WE AGREE ONE ONE THING

You an I agree on the beginning of the Jubilee Year as Nisan 1, 5776.

Isaiah 63:4
"For the day of vengeance is in My heart, and THE YEAR of My redeemed has come."

This says to me that God is going to love taking His vengeance out on Israel in the same year, the Jubilee Year, as He redeems His Church/bride and the remnant of Israel. That year is the "acceptable year of the Lord' which is the Jubilee Year.

Isaiah 61:2
"To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the DAY OF VENGEANCE of our God."

This says to me that the acceptable year is proclaimed just as the Jubilee Year is proclaimed because they are one and the same. this also says that God's vengeance on Israel comes in the acceptable year/Jubilee year. Therefore God's vengeance and the redemption comes ON OR AFTER Nisan 1, 5776 .

Luke 4:19 "To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord. (and then He closed the book and sat down).

This says to me that Jesus confirms it is the Jubilee Year is when it all begins. The fact that He closed the book exactly where He did SPEAKS VOLUMNS.

I don't believe that the 70th Week has begun yet, but I am watching for it to begin on November 5, 2012.
There are 2.520 days from November 5, 2012 to Feast of Trumpets September 30, 2019
There are 1,260 days from November 5, 2012 to Palm Sunday April 17, 2016 in the Jubilee Year
There are 1,260 days from Palm Sunday Aptil 17, 2016 in the Jubilee Year to Feast of Trumpets September 30, 2019
There are 1,290 days from Sunday March 20, 2016 Spring Equinox to Feast of Trumpets September 30, 2019. YBIC

MY REPLY

> > You an I agree on the beginning of the Jubilee Year as Nisan 1, 5776.
> > Isaiah 63:4
> > "For the day of vengeance is in My heart, and THE YEAR of My redeemed has come."

I agree that the Jubilee Year starts Nisan 1, 5776. That is the keystone around which end-time events are arranged.

Thank you so much for bringing Isa 63:4 to my attention. It crystalizes what I already know.

The DAY OF THE LORD'S VENGEANCE, Tishri 1, 5776, is the first day of the civil YEAR OF THE LORD'S REDEEMED, 5776. Now, I can see why a civil year starting with Tishri 1 is used in addition to the sacred year starting Nisan 1.

Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016, is the first day of the Jubilee, Sacred and Regnal years. It is the day of the Second Advent of Jesus Christ, and we will be with him when he comes. Therefore, both Raptures take place before that time, one at Mid Trib (probably Nov 8/9 2012), the other on the Day of the Lord's Vengeance (Tishri 1, 5776, Monday, Sept. 14, 2015).

The Jubilee Year is locked in place. It has to be preceded by a Sabbatic Year, and 5775 is Sabbatic. The Sabbatic 5768 was too soon, and 5782 is too late. According to Mt 1:17, a generation is 48.33 years. The generation born in 1967, year of the Six-Day War, runs out on Tishri 1, 5776.

Isa 34:1-16 expands our knowledge of this day, Monday, Tishri 1, 5776, Sept. 14, 2015, the day that is both the DAY OF THE LORD'S VENGEANCE AND THE FIRST DAY OF THE YEAR OF THE LORD'S REDEEMED. Nisan 1 is Saturday, April 9, 2016, according to the official Hillel II Hebrew Calendar used today. That is interesting, because Jesus, Lord of the Sabbath, was resurrected on April 9, 30 AD. He comes back both times on April 9. That is so like him to plan that way, I am sticking to the Hillel II Hebrew Calendar. The Lord knows things ahead of time, so he would have known what Hillel II would do.

You already know I won't qibble over a couple of days if you would still rather figure dates by the sighting of the Crescent New Moon. That is always a possibility, because we have been told over and over by people like Michael Rood and Nehemiah Gordon that the calendar was set by sighting the New Moon every Tishri 1.

However, when researching when Jesus was born, I studied the Hebrew Calendar well enough to be able to reconstruct it back from 1 to 5 BC. They figured the date of the 2nd Tishri 1 ahead when making up the calendar for the upcoming Tishri 1. They worked ahead. That had to be done mathematically, because they were not there yet, and couldn't view the sky ahead of time like we can today with the amazingly accurate astronomy programs. Those are much more accurate than our calendar programs that extrapolate the Hillell II calendar backward. Doing that makes the Hebrew Calendar off by 2 days in 30 AD. It will say Nisan 15 when Thursday was really Nisan 13, because of the postponements Hillel II added. To figure the true date of Tishri 1 when Jesus was born. I used an astronomy program. Now that I know that the Hebrew Calendar is off by 2 days back then, my date fits either way. I got lucky there. I can also use the calendar programs by setting the Hebrew date on the correct day of the week. At one time, I had a copy of the mathematical tables they used to figure out future dates for Tishri 1. I found it at BIOLA's Library. However, if we are within 2 days, that should be acceptable.

Isa 34 says, "COME NEAR, YE NATIONS, TO HEAR; AND HEARKEN, YE PEOPLE: LET THE EARTH HEAR, AND ALL THAT IS THEREIN; THE WORLD, AND ALL THINGS THAT COME FORTH OF IT. 2 FOR THE INDIGNATION OF THE LORD IS UPON ALL NATIONS, and his fury (Tishri 1, 5776) upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter. 3 Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood. 4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. 5 For MY SWORD shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment. 6 THE SWORD OF THE LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah (Bozrah means sheepfold, and it is also called Petra [meaning a mountain of rock], whose sandstone is rose red), and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea (which means red). 7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness. 8 For it is the DAY OF THE LORD'S VENGEANCE (i.e., Tishri 1, 5776), AND THE YEAR (5776) OF RECOMPENCES FOR THE CONTROVERSY OF ZION (Jerusalem). 9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. 10 It shall not be quenched night nor day; THE SMOKE THEREOF SHALL GO UP FOR EVER: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever. 11 But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness. 12 They shall call the nobles thereof to the kingdom, but none shall be there, and all her princes shall be nothing. 13 And thorns shall come up in her palaces, nettles and brambles in the fortresses thereof: and it shall be an habitation of dragons, and a court for owls. 14 The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest. 15 There shall the great owl make her nest, and lay, and hatch, and gather under her shadow: there shall the vultures also be gathered, every one with her mate. 16 Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them."

Psa_108:9 says, "Moab is my washpot; over Edom (meaning red) will I cast out my shoe; over Philistia (meaning invaders) will I triumph." The asteroid Wormwood will obliterate Babylon (Rev 18:21), a mountain-sized piece will hit the NE Mediterranean Sea (Rev 8:8-11), and a stone will hit Edom. It may open the Dead Sea to the Red Sea.

Eze_35:15 says, "As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea (i.e., an expanded area between the Dead Sea and the Red Sea), even all of it: and they shall know that I am the LORD."

MT SEIR IS PETRA, so the Jews that flee to Petra will be raptured in the Last-Trump Rapture on the Day of God's Wrath just before the SWORD OF THE LORD hits Earth.

CAN WE AGREE ON THE FOLLOWING?

The DAY of vengeance will be Tishri 1, Sept 14, 2015, the FIRST DAY of 5776, which will be the YEAR of his redeemed. Tishri 1, 5776 and Nisan 1, 5776, are the important dates upon which just about everything else is hung.

Dan 12:1,2 says, "And at that time (when the False Prophet is deposed on Tishri 1, 5776) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be A TIME OF TROUBLE, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and AT THAT TIME thy people (including those in Petra) shall be delivered (malat, to escape, be rescued, leap out, i.e., be raptured) every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

Jer_30:7 says, "Alas! for that day (Tishri 1, 5776) is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it" (i.e., he shall be raptured out of it).

Isa_13:6,9 says, "Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty. 9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it."

Jer_46:10 says, "For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword (i.e., sword of the Lord, the asteroid Wormwood) shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates."

Isa 34:8-10 says, "For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance (i.e., Tishri 1, 5776), and the year (5776) of recompences for the controversy of Zion (tsiyon, i.e., Jerusalem as a permanent capital). 9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. 10 It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever."

2Pe_3:10 says, "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

Lev_25:9 says, "Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land." That must be what the Jews call the great trump. They blow the "last trump" on the Feast of Trumpets.

The Jubilee Year should be announced on the Day of Atonement, Sept 23, 2015, and begin Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2015.

Lev_25:13 says, "In the year of this jubile ye shall return every man unto his possession."

The Israelites should be returned to their inheritance within the 75 days following Nisan 1, 5776. Dan 12:12 says, "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days." (1335 - 1260 = 75).

Isa_13:9 says, "Behold, the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, cruel both with WRATH and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it."

Isa_13:13 "Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the DAY of his fierce anger."

Jer_50:13 "Because of the wrath of the LORD it shall not be inhabited, but it shall be wholly desolate: every one that goeth by Babylon shall be astonished, and hiss at all her plagues."

Zep_1:15 "That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness".

Rev_6:16,17 says, "And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev_11:18 says, "And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

Psa_108:9 says, "Moab is my washpot; over Edom will I cast out my shoe; over Philistia will I triumph."

Jer_49:13 says, "For I have sworn by myself, saith the LORD, that Bozrah shall become a desolation, a reproach, a waste, and a curse; and all the cities thereof shall be perpetual wastes."

Isa_48:14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The LORD hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans. Isa_48:20 Go ye forth of Babylon, flee ye from the Chaldeans, with a voice of singing declare ye, tell this, utter it even to the end of the earth; say ye, The LORD hath redeemed his servant Jacob."

Jer 50:8-16 says, "assembly of great nations from the north country: and they shall set themselves in array against her; from thence she shall be taken: their arrows shall be as of a mighty expert man; none shall return in vain. :9 For, lo, I will raise and cause to come up against Babylon an assembly of great nations from the north country: and they shall set themselves in array against her; from thence she shall be taken: their arrows shall be as of a mighty expert man; none shall return in vain. 10 And Chaldea shall be a spoil: all that spoil her shall be satisfied, saith the LORD. 11 Because ye were glad, because ye rejoiced, O ye destroyers of mine heritage, because ye are grown fat as the heifer at grass, and bellow as bulls; 12 Your mother shall be sore confounded; she that bare you shall be ashamed: behold, the hindermost of the nations shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert. 13 Because of the wrath of the LORD it shall not be inhabited, but it shall be wholly desolate: every one that goeth by Babylon shall be astonished, and hiss at all her plagues. 14 Put yourselves in array against Babylon round about: all ye that bend the bow, shoot at her, spare no arrows: for she hath sinned against the LORD. 15 Shout against her round about: she hath given her hand: her foundations are fallen, her walls are thrown down: for it is the vengeance of the LORD: take vengeance upon her; as she hath done, do unto her. 16 Cut off the sower from Babylon, and him that handleth the sickle in the time of harvest: for fear of the oppressing sword they shall turn every one to his people, and they shall flee every one to his own land."

Jer 50:22-29 says, "A sound of battle is in the land, and of great destruction. 23 How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations! 24 I have laid a snare for thee, and thou art also taken, O Babylon, and thou wast not aware: thou art found, and also caught, because thou hast striven against the LORD. 25 The LORD hath opened his armoury, and hath brought forth the weapons of his indignation: for this is the work of the Lord GOD of hosts in the land of the Chaldeans. 26 Come against her from the utmost border, open her storehouses: cast her up as heaps, and destroy her utterly: let nothing of her be left. 27 Slay all her bullocks; let them go down to the slaughter: woe unto them! for their day is come, the time of their visitation. 28 The voice of them that flee and escape out of the land of Babylon, to declare in Zion the vengeance of the LORD our God, the vengeance of his temple. 29 Call together the archers against Babylon: all ye that bend the bow, camp against it round about; let none thereof escape: recompense her according to her work; according to all that she hath done, do unto her: for she hath been proud against the LORD, against the Holy One of Israel."

Jer 50:30-40 says, "Therefore shall her young men fall in the streets, and all her men of war shall be cut off in that day, saith the LORD. 31 Behold, I am against thee, O thou most proud, saith the Lord GOD of hosts: for thy day is come, the time that I will visit thee. 32 And the most proud shall stumble and fall, and none shall raise him up: and I will kindle a fire in his cities, and it shall devour all round about him. 33 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; The children of Israel and the children of Judah were oppressed together: and all that took them captives held them fast; they refused to let them go. 34 Their Redeemer (Jesus) is strong; the LORD (YHWH) of hosts is his name: he shall throughly plead their cause, that he may give rest to the land, and disquiet the inhabitants of Babylon. 35 A sword is upon the Chaldeans, saith the LORD, and upon the inhabitants of Babylon, and upon her princes, and upon her wise men. 36 A sword is upon the liars; and they shall dote: a sword is upon her mighty men; and they shall be dismayed. 37 A sword is upon their horses, and upon their chariots, and upon all the mingled people that are in the midst of her; and they shall become as women: a sword is upon her treasures; and they shall be robbed. 38 A drought is upon her waters; and they shall be dried up: for it is the land of graven images, and they are mad upon their idols. 39 Therefore the wild beasts of the desert with the wild beasts of the islands shall dwell there, and the owls shall dwell therein: and it shall be no more inhabited for ever; neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation. 40 As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour cities thereof, saith the LORD; so shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein".

Jer 50:44-46 says, "Behold, he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan unto the habitation of the strong: but I will make them suddenly run away from her: and who is a chosen man, that I may appoint over her? for who is like me? and who will appoint me the time? and who is that shepherd that will stand before me? 45 Therefore hear ye the counsel of the LORD, that he hath taken against Babylon; and his purposes, that he hath purposed against the land of the Chaldeans: Surely the least of the flock shall draw them out: surely he shall make their habitation desolate with them. 46 At the noise of the taking of Babylon the earth is moved, and the cry is heard among the nations".

Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

Here is the verse I saw a rectangle of light on at twilight in a darkened room. Jer 50:2 says, "Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not: say, Babylon is taken, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces."

Jer 50:22-25 says, "A sound of battle is in the land, and of great destruction. 23 How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations! 24 I have laid a snare for thee, and thou art also taken, O Babylon, and thou wast not aware: thou art found, and also caught, because thou hast striven against the LORD. 25 The LORD hath opened his armoury, and hath brought forth the weapons of his indignation: for this is the work of the Lord GOD of hosts in the land of the Chaldeans."

Jer 50:28 says, "The voice of them that flee and escape out of the land of Babylon, to declare in Zion the vengeance of the LORD our God, the vengeance of his temple."

Jer 50:34,35 says, "Their Redeemer is strong; the LORD of hosts is his name: he shall throughly plead their cause, that he may give rest to the land, and disquiet the inhabitants of Babylon. 35 A sword is upon the Chaldeans, saith the LORD, and upon the inhabitants of Babylon, and upon her princes, and upon her wise men."

Jer 50:39,49 says, "Therefore the wild beasts of the desert with the wild beasts of the islands shall dwell there, and the owls shall dwell therein: and it shall be no more inhabited for ever; neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation. 40 As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour cities thereof, saith the LORD; so shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein."

Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by an asteroid impact that split the Earth from Syria to Lake Nyassa in central Africa. That fault, the 2nd largest on Earth, is called the Great Rift Valley.

Jer 50:44-46 says, "Behold, he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan unto the habitation of the strong: but I will make them suddenly run away from her: and who is a chosen man, that I may appoint over her? for who is like me? and who will appoint me the time? and who is that shepherd that will stand before me? 45 Therefore hear ye the counsel of the LORD, that he hath taken against Babylon; and his purposes, that he hath purposed against the land of the Chaldeans: Surely the least of the flock shall draw them out: surely he shall make their habitation desolate with them. 46 At the noise of the taking of Babylon the earth is moved, and the cry is heard among the nations."

Dan 12:1,2 says, "And at that time (i.e., Tishri 1, 5776, when the False Prophet is deposed) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time (Tishri 1, 5776) thy people (i.e., the 144,000 Israelites) shall be delivered (i.e., in the Last-Trump Rapture), every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

> > I don't believe that the 70th Week has begun yet, but I am watching for it to begin on November 5, 2012. There are 2.520 days from November 5, 2012 to Feast of Trumpets September 30, 2019 There are 1,260 days from November 5, 2012 to Palm Sunday April 17, 2016 in the Jubilee Year There are 1,260 days from Palm Sunday Aptil 17, 2016 in the Jubilee Year to Feast of Trumpets September 30, 2019 There are 1,290 days from Sunday March 20, 2016 Spring Equinox to Feast of Trumpets September 30, 2019

I think the Tribulation started on Pentecost, May 29, 2009.
May 29, 2009 + 1260 days is Nov 9. Counting backward from Tishri 1, 2015, I get Nov 8. That is because the 2300 days of Dan 8:13,14 are counted by inclusive reckoning since it is a block of time.

Dan 8:13,14 says, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

I am hoping Mid-Trib and the First-Trump Rapture will be Nov 8/9, 2012. Someone will get it right one of these days, because Dan 12:10 says, "Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand." Agape

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