Pro and Con 1665

Posted 10-26-2012

GREEN GLASS BEADS FOUND ON THE MOON

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/16669391.html

WATER PARTICLES FOUND ON SURFACE OF THE MOON, SCIENTISTS SAY

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/9607901/Water-particles-found-on-surface-of-the-moon-scientists-say.html

The Apollo 11 Moon Mission - Researchers analysed samples of soil collected from the Moon by the Apollo missions and found it contained water in the form of compounds called hydroxyls.

The moon's surface is covered with glassy grains of soil containing significant amounts of water that could sustain human life, a new study has found.

The water was most likely formed on the surface of the Moon by the constant stream of charged particles ejected from the Sun known as "solar wind", the scientists said.

The traditional view that the Moon was entirely dry has been proven incorrect in recent years, with growing evidence that icy drops of water can be found on its surface.

In 2009, a Nasa satellite slammed into a crater and threw up a plume which scientists found contained an unexpectedly high amount of ice, and small amounts of water have also been found in powder and rock in the Moon's outer layer.

But although the discoveries have proven the existence of water, the problem which has continued to baffle scientists is where it came from.

MY COMMENTS

I think most of the water on the Moon came from Earth when an asteroid impact formed our Pacific Basin. This was triggered by Satan's planet Rahab spliting apart. It is now our Asteroid Belt.

Isa 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (chatsab, split, hew out) Rahab, and wounded the dragon (Satan)?"

Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (i.e., Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here (at Babylon near the Euphrates River), as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? (i.e., the asteroid Wormwood, Rev 8:11) 17 Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. 18 He will surely violently turn and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. 19 And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

Rev 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

The rock and water debris blasted off the Earth coalesced and formed the Moon. Both Earth and Moon have identical minerals. There are lots of glassy beads on the Moon that were formed by the heat of an impact explosion. The same minerals are found on Earth and Moon, but the Moon is poor in volatiles, which makes sense because of the heat. To me, a good clue that the Moon material came from Earth is that IDENTICAL ISOTOPIC OXYGEN HAS BEEN FOUND ON BOTH EARTH AND MOON.

THE SUN SUPPLIES THE MOON WITH 'WATER' AND THERE IS POTENTIALLY ENOUGH THERE FOR A BASE TO TAP INTO TO MAINTAIN LIFE, STUDY SUGGESTS

"Charged hydrogen particles from the solar wind interact with oxygen on the moon to create water-like compounds
Scientists now believe these compounds are so widespread in the lunar soil that they could be a source of water for a manned moon base"

By Damien Gayle, 15 October 2012
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217889/The-sun-supplies-moon-water-potentially-base-tap-maintain-life-study-suggests.html#ixzz29MpdjoG8

MY COMMENTS

Water comets hit Earth's upper atmosphere every day. I think this water originally came from Satan's planet Rahab that split apart forming our Asteroid Belt. I see no reason that water comets would not also hit the Moon.

WOW! THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT BOTH RAPTURES ARE INDICATED IN HAGGAI 2:18-23

Hag 2:18-23 says, "Consider (sum labab, rehearse, take it to heart) now from this day and upward (maal, exceedingly high), from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month (Kislev 24, Dec 8, 2012), even from the day that the foundation (i.e., Jesus) of the LORD'S temple was laid (yasad, set, laid for a foundation), consider it. 19 Is the seed (Jesus) yet in the barn (a saying meaning is she pregnant)? yea (YES), as yet the vine (Jesus), and the fig tree (Israel), and the pomegranate (meaning upright), and the olive tree (Israel with Gentiles grafted in), hath not brought forth (NASA, LIFTED UP): FROM THIS DAY WILL I BLESS YOU."

20 "And AGAIN the word of the LORD came unto Haggai in the four and twentieth day of the month, saying, 21 Speak to Zerubbabel, governor of Judah, saying, I will shake the heavens and the earth; 22 And I will overthrow the throne of kingdoms, and I will destroy the strength of the kingdoms of the heathen; and I will overthrow the chariots, and those that ride in them; and the horses and their riders shall come down, every one by the sword of his brother. 23 In that day (i.e., the Day of the LORD, the Day of God's Wrath, Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015), saith the LORD of hosts, will I TAKE THEE (LAQACH, TO TAKE UP), O Zerubbabel (meaning descended from Babylon), my servant, the son of Shealtiel, saith the LORD, and will make thee as a signet (chotham, a signature ring, seal): for I have chosen thee, saith the LORD of hosts."

Josephus indicated that the lampstand represented the planets, including the Sun: (1) Sun, (2) Mercury, (3) Venus, (4) Earth, (5) Mars, (6) Jupiter, and (7) Saturn (Ant.III.VI.7).

Kislev 24, 5773, will be Saturday, the Sabbath, Dec. 8, 2012. If the Rapture happens on this day, we will be caught up to the 7th heavenly body, Saturn, on the 7th day of the week. That sounds like something the Lord would do.

Counting from Earth, Saturn is the third heaven that Paul was caught up to in II Cor 12:2-4, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn.

In Joh_4:35, Jesus said, "Say not ye, There are yet four months (Teveth, Shevat, Adar and Nisan), and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white (barley fields look white when ready to harvest) already to harvest." That fits an unexpected barley harvest in Kislev.

JESUS COMES AS THE FORMER AND LATTER RAIN

Joel 2:23 says, "Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month."

Hos_6:3 says, "Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth."

The former rain comes Tishri 1, and the latter rain comes Nisan 1. Therefore, I think Jesus was born on Tishri 1, 3757 (Hebrew), Monday, Sept. 4, 5 BC (Julian). He should return Nisan 1, 5776 (Hillel II Hebrew), Saturday, April 9, 2016 (Gregorian), the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee years. April 9 is the anniversary of the Resurrection in 30 AD, a good day for his second return.

MY COMMENTS ON PASTOR JD'S SERMON ABOUT THE RAPTURE HAVING TO PRECEDE THE TRIBULATION, PROVING IT CANNOT BE MID-TRIB

On the video, Pastor JD (Hawaii) made it clear that he thought 2 Thess 2:3 means that the Rapture absolutely has to come before the Tribulation. He said that "a falling away" should be translated as departure, and cited 7 Bibles before the KJV that used departure. That is true. I agree with him on that. He did not explain that the KJV's "day of Christ" should be the Day of the Lord, but he mentioned the Day of the Lord.

Day of the Lord is correct. Older manuscripts were found after the KJV was published that said, "Day of the Lord"

However, JD said that the Day of the Lord was the whole Tribulation. Therefore, he thinks that the Rapture has to precede the Tribulation. However, the great and terrible Day of the Lord is so awful, it can't last 7 years.

I used to think the Rapture had to precede the Tribulation, until we were shown otherwise by the process of elimination. Now, I realize that the Rapture can be Mid-Trib. The "Come up hither" of Rev 4:1 can be the same day as the "Come up hither" of Rev 11:12.

THE DAY OF THE LORD

The Day of the LORD is one literal day, the great and terrible Day of the Lord, the Day of God's Wrath, JESUS' LONG DAY when the Earth is turned upside down. Therefore, the Rapture can be Mid-Trib, or close to it. There is no way the terrible things that will happen on the Day of God's Wrath can even be spread over 3.5 years.

2Th 2:-3 says,"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (i.e., should be day of the Lord, as in the Vaticanus Codex, the Alexandrine Codex, and the Sinaitic Codex, see the note in the Tishendorf Bible) is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a FALLING AWAY (this should be translated DEPARTING, i.e., the First-Trump Rapture) first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition" (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet).

Isa_2:12 says,"For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low".

Isa_13:6 says,"Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty."

Isa_13:9 says,"Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it."

Isa_34:8 says,"For it is THE DAY of the LORD'S vengeance, and THE YEAR of recompences for the controversy of Zion."

Jer_46:10 says,"For this is THE DAY of the Lord GOD of hosts, A DAY of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates."

Lam_2:22 says,"Thou hast called as in a solemn day my terrors round about, so that in THE DAY of the LORD'S anger none escaped nor remained: those that I have swaddled and brought up hath mine enemy consumed."

Eze_13:5 says,"Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in THE DAY of the LORD."

Eze_30:3 says,"For THE DAY is near, even THE DAY of the LORD is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen."

Joe_1:15 says,"Alas for THE DAY! for THE DAY of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come."

Joe_2:1 says,"Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for THE DAY of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand".

Joe_2:11 says,"And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for THE DAY of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?"

Joe_2:31 says,"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible DAY of the LORD come."

Joe_3:14 says,"Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for THE DAY of the LORD is near in the valley of decision."

Amo_5:18 says,"Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? THE DAY of the LORD is darkness, and not light."

Amo_5:20 says,"Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?"

Oba_1:15 says,"For THE DAY of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head."

Zep_1:7 says,"Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord GOD: for THE DAY of the LORD is at hand: for the LORD hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests."

Zep_1:8 says,"And it shall come to pass in THE DAY of the LORD'S sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel."

Zep_1:14 says,"THE GREAT DAY of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of THE DAY of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly."

Zep_1:18 says,"Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in THE DAY of the LORD'S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land."

Zep_2:2 says,"Before the decree bring forth, before THE DAY pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before THE DAY of the LORD'S anger come upon you."

Zep_2:3 says,"Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in THE DAY of the LORD'S anger."

Zec_14:1 says,"Behold, THE DAY of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee." Mal_4:5 says,"Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful DAY of the LORD:"

Act_2:20 says,"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable DAY of the Lord come:"

1Co_5:5 says,"To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in THE DAY of the Lord Jesus."

2Co_1:14 says,"As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are ours in THE DAY of the Lord Jesus."

1Th_5:2 says,"For yourselves know perfectly that THE DAY of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night."

2Pe_3:10 says,"But THE DAY of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

Jer_30:7 says,"Alas! for THAT DAY is great, so that NONE IS LIKE IT: it is even THE TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE; but he shall be saved out of it."

This great and terrible day is Jesus' Long Day, of which Jacob's Long Day was a type.

Isa_24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof."

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: SCRIPTURE SAYS "THE GENTILE" CHURCH/BRIDE WILL BE IN HEAVEN FOR FORTY-TWO MONTHS BEFORE RETURNING WITH JESUS AT HIS SECOND COMING

Revelation 11:2
"But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given TO THE GENTILES. And they will tread the holy city underfoot FOR FORTY-TWO MONTHS."

After the rapture of "the Gentile" Church/bride at the mid-point of the 70th Week, just before the "forty-two month" long "hour of trial" of God's wrath upon the whole world begins, "the Gentile' Church/bride will reside in "the outer court which is outside the temple" in heaven before returning to earth with Jesus at His second coming "forty-two months" later.

The last-half of the 70th Week is "forty-two months" long. That is the very same "forty-two months" that His elect Gentile Church/bride is residing in heaven, and the anti-Christ is given his "forty-two month"authority on earth. It is also the very same "forty-two months" (1,260 days) that the elect remnant of Israel is protected in the wilderness.

Therefore God protects the two groups He loves from the "forty-two month authority of the anti-Christ on earth" by rapturing His elect Gentile Church/bride to heaven and sending the elect remnant of Israel into the wilderness.

The pre-tribbers would have you believe that the Gentile Church/bride will reside in heaven for eighty-four months (seven years) before returning with Jesus at His Second Coming. Scripture says they will be there for only "forty-two months".
According to Your Word, come Lord Jesus!

MY REPLY

> > SCRIPTURE SAYS THAT "THE GENTILE" CHURCH/BRIDE WILL BE IN HEAVEN FOR FORTY-TWO MONTHS BEFORE RETURNING WITH JESUS AT HIS SECOND COMING.

I can agree with you except that this final 42 month segment is to be shortened. According to Daniel 8:13,14, the whole Tribulation will be 2300 days. If we subtract 1260 days for the first half, we find out that the last half of the Tribulation should be 1040 days.

Thus, I think Mid-Trib is coming up Nov. 8/9, 2012. I think the Tribulation started on Pentecost, May 29, 2009, and it will end with the great and terrible Day of the Lord, Tishri 1, 5776, Sept. 14, 2015. It will be marked by a Partial Solar eclipse on the Eve of Trumpets.

I went to NASA's site to verify the details, and found out that an Annular Solar Eclipse is coming up Nov 13, 2012. We had the Wedding Ring Solar Eclipse May 20, 2012. The Eclipse of Nov 13, 2012, could be a sign that precedes the Rapture on Kislev 24, Saturday, Dec. 8, 2012. Cheshvan 17, 5773, Friday Nov. 2, and Nov 8/9, Mid-Trib, are possibilities, but Kislev 24 seems to have the best chance of being the date of the First-Trump Rapture.

> > After the rapture of "the Gentile" Church/bride at the mid-point of the 70th Week, just before the "forty-two month" long "hour of trial" of God's wrath upon the whole world begins, "the Gentile' Church/bride will reside in "the outer court which is outside the temple" in heaven before returning to earth with Jesus at His second coming "forty-two months" later.

I searched for "outer court". Eze 10:5 is the only place it is used in the KJV. Where is "the outer court which is outside the temple" found? I went to Blue Letter Bible and checked many versions, but couldn't find that one.

I will follow the lead to Eze 10 in case it would tie in later.

Eze_10:5 says, "And the sound of the cherubims' wings was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of the Almighty God when he speaketh."

I love this chapter. It goes with Eze 1, and that took me over 7 years to figure out. In all those books from BIOLA's Seminary Collection I read for 7 years, none of the authors knew what Eze 1 and 10 meant. I opened my Bible, put my hands on it and practically in tears said, "Lord you are going to have to show me." I started looking up the original words. Then it finally became clear.

In Eze 1:1, Ezekiel said, "the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God." He saw Jesus sitting on his throne in heaven.

Jesus is God. Isa 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH King of Israel), and I am the last (the redeemer, the YHWH of hosts); and beside me there is no God."

In Rev 1:8, Jesus said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

In Rev 22:13, Jesus said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."

Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone (i.e., Saturn): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (the only God/man is Christ) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire (i.e., it looks like a lighted lamp in the night sky), and it had brightness (i.e., Saturn's rings) round about. 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD." Heaven has a halo.

Gen 3:24 says, "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east (i.e., they rise in the east) of the garden of Eden Cherubims (i.e., planets, Earth is one, v. 15), and a flaming sword (Satan's asteroid Wormwood) which turned every way (rotated and orbited), to keep the way of (or to) the tree of life (which is in the third Heaven: 1. Mars, 2. Jupiter, 3. Saturn). This is where Paul was taken, to the third heaven (II Cor 12:2-4).

Eze 10:1-6 says, "Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament (expanse of space) that was above the head of the cherubims (i.e., Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars, the terrestrial planets, flying orbs) there appeared over them (i.e., farther out in space) as it were a sapphire stone (Saturn, sapphire as a birthstone means Heaven; the word sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear), as the appearance of the likeness of a throne (Christ, the only God/man's throne). 2 And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels (i.e., between the concentric orbits), even under the cherub (Satan, Ezek 28:14), and fill thine hand with coals of fire (i.e., rocks, meteorites) from between the cherubims (the four terrestrial planets), and scatter them over the city (Jerusalem). And he went in in my sight. 3 Now the cherubims stood on the right side of the house, when the man went in; and the cloud filled the inner court. 4 Then the glory of the LORD went up from the cherub, and stood over the threshold of the house; and the house was filled with the cloud, and the court was full of the brightness of the LORD'S glory. 5 And the sound of the cherubims' wings was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of the Almighty God when he speaketh. 6 And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels (orbits), from between the cherubims (planets); then he went in, and stood beside the wheels."

These fiery coals are rocks, asteroids, that were shot out into space when Satan's planet Rahab was split apart.

Isa 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (i.e., the Son of God, Isa 53:1); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old (i.e., before Adam). Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) Rahab, and wounded the dragon?" (Satan).

Eze_28:14 says, "Thou (i.e., Satan) art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire." The planet Rahab was in the midst of all the planets, between Mars and Jupiter.

Eze_28:16 says, "By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God (on Saturn): and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire."

> > "the Gentile' Church/bride will reside in "the outer court which is outside the temple" in heaven before returning to earth with Jesus at His second coming "forty-two months" later.

Why will the Bride of Christ reside "in 'the outer court which is outside the temple' in heaven before returning to earth with Jesus at His second coming 'forty-two months' later"?

Mat 24:31 says, "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." How is one end of heaven to the other the outer court which is outside the temple?

When these saints are gathered from one end of heaven to the other, they are going to attend the General Assembly.

Heb 12:22-24 says, "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant".

Do you mean they will "assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation"?

Num 10:1-4 says, "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. 3 And when they shall blow with them (i.e., both), all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. 4 And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee."

> > Therefore God protects the two groups He loves from the "forty-two month authority of the anti-Christ on earth" by rapturing His elect Gentile Church/bride to heaven and sending the elect remnant of Israel into the wilderness.

I agree, but I expect those in Petra to be caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture. Every saint has got to be out of here before Satan's asteroid Wormwood hits Earth and obliterates Babylon.

> > The pre-tribbers would have you believe that the Gentile Church/bride will reside in heaven for eighty-four months (seven years) before returning with Jesus at His Second Coming. Scripture says they will be there for only "forty-two months".

Well, I thought we would be raptured before the Tribulation started, but it didn't happen. We are being shown by the process of elimination what it is not. I always wondered if "Rise" in Rev 11:1 could represent the Rapture. Now, I think it does. I have had to read that chapter with new eyes. Now, it looks like there are two Raptures in that chapter. They are pictured by "Rise" and "Come up hither." Therefore, the "Come up hither" in Rev. 4:1 happens Mid-Trib instead of before the Tribulation begins. That means that the 7 seals are all broken in the Great Tribulation. It now seems to me that the two Raptures will be 1040 days apart, Nov 8/9, 2012 and Sept 14, 2015. Agape

Note: Since writing this, I found the two Raptures in Haggai 2:18-23. Now, I think the First-Trump Rapture is most likely on Kislev 24, Saturday, Dec. 8, 2012.

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: SCRIPTURE TELLS US THE RAPTURE WILL HAPPEN DURING THE NEXT WAR IN ISRAEL

Luke 17:37
".....Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together."

Now read Luke 17:24 thru 36 to see how Jesus explains that the Day He is revealed will be just like in the days of Noah and Lot. Then read Luke 17:37 again.

Luke 17:30
"Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed."

Therefore, at the same time the Son of Man is revealed by His appearing to rapture His Church/bride the eagles will be gathered together where the dead bodies are because of the war in Israel.

The Church/bride will be raptured at the time of the next war in Israel.

Come Lord Jesus!

MY REPLY

> > Revelation 12:6
> > "Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there for 1,260 days."

> > SCRIPTURE TELLS US THAT THE RAPTURE WILL HAPPEN DURING THE NEXT WAR IN ISRAEL

> > Now read Luke 17:24 thru 36 to see how Jesus explains that the Day He is revealed will be just like in the days of Noah and Lot. Then read Luke 17:37 again.

The days of Noah represent the first Rapture. The days of Lot represent the last Rapture.

THE DAYS OF NOAH REPRESENT THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE, AS THE BRIDE OF CHRIST THEY MARRIED

Luk 17:26,27 says, "And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the DAYS (plural, there are two) of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, THEY MARRIED wives, they were given in MARRIAGE, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. There was no fire and brimstone.

DAYS OF LOT REPRESENT THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE AND MARRIAGE IS NOT LISTED

Luk 17:28-36 says, " Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is REVEALED (i.e., they will see the Sign of the Son of Man the day of the Last-Trump Rapture). 31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back (they are going to be raptured).32 Remember Lot's wife. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. 35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is (i.e.,the Body of Christ is in Heaven), thither will the eagles be gathered together."

This word translated body is soma. From G4982; the body (as a sound whole), used in a very wide application, literally or figuratively: - bodily, body, slave. It represents the Body of Christ. At this point in the story, it has already been raptured.

The eagles, winged creatures, are the Tribulation saints. Where the Bride saints are at that time, in Heaven, the Tribulation saints will be gathered together.

Exo_19:4 says, "Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself." This represents the 144,000 Israelites to be caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture.

Isa_40:31 says, "But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."

Mat 24:27-31 says, "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase (ptoma, a ruin, a dead body) is, there will the eagles (i.e., Tribulation saints) be gathered together. 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet (i.e., the First Trumpet), and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."

Those already in Heaven were previously caught up in the First-Trump Rapture. Next will be the time of the Last-Trump Rapture:

Mar 13:26,27 says, "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN."

BOTH THOSE SAINTS IN HEAVEN AND THOSE ON EARTH ARE INVITED TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN HEAVEN, BUT THE CHURCH SAINTS GET THERE AHEAD OF THE 144,000 ISRAELITES

Heb 12:22-24 says, " But ye (i.e., the 144,000 Israelite saints) are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and CHURCH OF THE FIRSTBORN (i.e., church saints already caught up in the First-Trump Rapture) which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling".

> > SCRIPTURE TELLS US THAT THE RAPTURE WILL HAPPEN DURING THE NEXT WAR IN ISRAEL

The first Rapture does not have to happen during war in Israel. It is as the days of Noah, when there was no war.

The second Rapture is as the days of Lot. An asteroid will strike Earth that day to stop Gog's army.

I think that will be Tishri 1, 5776, the Feast of Trumpets, Sept 14, 2015.

HERE IS RAPTURE NUMBER 2

Acts 2:20.21 says, "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE that great and notable day of the Lord come: 21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved."

On the Eve of Trumpets in 2015, there will be a Solar Eclipse "BEFORE THAT GREAT AND NOTABLE DAY OF THE LORD COME."

Isa 34:8 For it is the day (Tishri 1, 5776) of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year (5776) of recompences for the controversy of Zion."

The First-Trump Rapture does not have to start when there is war in Israel. The Last-Trump Rapture will be when Gog's army attacks Israel. Agape

MY REPLY TO A QUESTION ON FIVE DOVES SITE

Gerlinda (13 Oct 2012)
"A simple answer to my question, please"

John & Doves
Please read the following scripture; I have a question in regards to this.
1 Corinthians 15:50-55 (NKJV)
50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed - 52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”
55“O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?”
My question does not deal, what-so-ever with the trumps but with verse 55. If Death no longer has a sting nor Hades has a victory, then how can this be a Rapture scripture since we are taught there are people who will be left during the Great Tribulation, who will die in Christ. According to this scripture there is no more death with it's sting. Do you see what I am saying? This seems to be speaking of the Final Resurrection.
Thanks,Gerlinda

MY REPLY

> > 55 "O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?"
> > My question does not deal, what-so-ever with the trumps but with verse 55. If Death no longer has a sting nor Hades has a victory, then how can this be a Rapture scripture since we are taught there are people who will be left during the Great Tribulation, who will die in Christ. According to this scripture there is no more death with it's sting. Do you see what I am saying? This seems to be speaking of the Final Resurrection.

I can give you a simple answer. There are two Raptures. The second one is the final one. At that time, all believers will become immortal.

THE PROOF

Num 10:1-4 says, "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them (i.e., both) for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. 3 And when they shall blow with them (i.e., both), all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. 4 And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes (i.e., the 24 elders, the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles of Israel), which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee."

I Thess 4:13-18 is the First-Trump Rapture. I Cor 15:51-54 is the Last-Trump Rapture. You can't have a last without a first.

THERE ARE RANKS IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION; IT IS FOR THE FIRSTFRUITS

1Co_15:20-23 says, "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order (tagmati, rank, a series or succession, from tasso, to arrange in an orderly manner): Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Jas_1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE ON THE DAY OF CHRIST IS FOR THE WISE VIRGINS

1Th 4:13-18 says, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (Old English for precede) them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and WITH THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

Rev 5:8-10 says, "...saints. And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."

LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE ON THE DAY OF THE LORD IS FOR THE FOOLISH VIRGINS, 144,000 ISRAELITES AND OTHER TRIBULATION SAINTS

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we (including Paul) shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption (i.e., at either Rapture), and this mortal must put on immortality (only happens at the Last-Trump Rapture). 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

Rev 14:1-5 says, "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."

Joe 2:1,2 says, "Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; 2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations."

Joel 2:30-32 says, "And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. 32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call."

Look at Joel 2:31 again. It says, "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE the great and the terrible day of the LORD come."

That is a Solar Eclipse. I think the date will be Sept 13, 2015.

"2015 Sep 13 06:55:19 Partial 125 0.788 - s Africa, s Indian, Antarctica"
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEdecade/SEdecade2011.html

The next day, Tishri 1, 5776, the Feast of Trumpets, will be the great and terrible Day of the Lord. Agape

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