Pro and Con 1666

Posted 11-6-2012

WINSONS BIRD OF PARADISE

MY SEARCH FOR FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENING TO SOMEONE ELSE BESIDES ME

My husband died Dec. 27, 2011. He was 87 and couldn't get out of bed or walk. Yet, he appeared visually to me April 2, 2012, looking and walking like he did when he was 33.

Two people have told me that they saw their mothers, but as far as I know, their mothers did not speak to them. My mother in law saw her husband walk up and over a hill at his funeral. He did not come close or talk to her. Am I the only one this has happened to? I have had no luck finding another incident like it. If you happen to run across one, please let me know.

Here is what happened. Tired of sitting at the computer, I plopped down on the bed with several pillows propping up my head as if watching TV. Suddenly, into the room strode my husband grinning from ear to ear. He was walking fast and looked young, had dark brown hair instead of white. He was wearing a black suit of thin material that had a sheen and flowed around his shin bone like silk.

I told him I thought I would be with him on May 17. (That didn't happen. I'm now hoping for Kislev 24, Saturday, Dec. 8, 2012). I told him to get on the bed, that I wanted to hug him. He didn't. That was not like his normal loving self. He just walked up between the dresser and bed and stopped by the nightstand. He was standing near my head. I thought, "no touching," then started to ask him questions as fast as I could get them out of my mouth.

I asked him if he was 30 or 33. He replied, "33" in his normal voice, and he looked exactly like he did at 33. His weight was normal too. He had been too thin before that, and gained more weight after that.

"Can we be together forever?" He said, "Yes." That had been bothering me, not knowing if we could be together or not.

Mat_22:30 says, "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

Yet, we became one flesh when we married. Mat_19:5,6 says, "For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

This left me wondering if we could be together forever, and seems to be the reason he was sent to tell me that we could. That should be reassuring to others as well as me.

I asked, "Are there female angels in Heaven?" He said, "Yes." I asked this because only male angels seem to be mentioned in the Bible. R.B. Thieme thought there were no female angels, that God created each angel individually.

"Have you gotten with your family?" He said, "Yes."

"Have you gotten with my family?" He said, "Yes."

"Do you have a piano?" He said, "Yes" and walked through the wall into the next room. The last thing I saw was a corner of his suit coat flowing out behind him.

I think he was allowed to come to let me know that we could be together forever, because that was such a big deal with me.

I am pleased with how my life is turning out. I said, "Yes" to Jesus Christ and "Yes" to Ed Agee, when he asked me to marry him, even though we had been getting together just 4 days. Now I will be with them both forever. What more could I ask? Thank you Lord, that I made the right choices.

Now, I just have to keep posting and wait on the Rapture. Knowing that we can be together forever makes waiting easier. I didn't like the minister saying "till death do us part" when we married.

Ed understood the future situation better than I did. Before we were married, in his first letter to me after he left for his first year in college, he said he loved me and "only death can break the hold. In the future life again we will meet so nothing can stop my feeling."

INCOMING EMAIL, Re: great article about the Rapture. One point you are missing

I do believe that there will be 2 Raptures, one for the believers in Christ and the other for israel. We will face tribulation but not the great Trib, cause mainly was designed for israel.

NOW, READ AND ANALYZE this:
the 2015 can not be the rapture,because we Know that JESUS must Return On a Sabbath year.
Every 7 years is a Sabbatic year, for the Land to rest and for the poor to be fed, and the animals,no man should or can work the land.Freedom and relief for the land.
We know that the last Sabbath year was 2009.then the next will be 2016, the next 2023 and so on. the reason why He can not return in 2015 is this,
The Fourt trumpet or the 6th seal must happen, we know that The 5t trumpet is when the GTrib will happen.When the AoDesolation.
We also know that the GT will be 42 month 3 and half years.
We also know that before The great trib comes what jesus called The time Of Sorrows and Birthpangs,but to be in that time 2 things must happen,
1st: WW3 Israel will eliminate Damascus and Jordan in a day with Fire(nuclear weapon?)Iran is almost ready to have his nuclear power.
Israel will attack first before they can kill Israel.
and with the 6th seal and the4th trumpet comes WORMWOOD.people forgets about this event,this is what will give the start of the Birthpangs and sorrow,the earth will be almost destroyes,famine, no water, all water will be bitter.

Wormwood is a mountain of fire a star of fire, a METEORITE OR A PLANET that will hit the sea and create tsunamis, the grass will be burned, the fishes will die and 1 third of the ships will be destroyes (Tsunamis)that will last 3 and a half years.

after that The ideal terrain for the Antichrist to arrive and solve the problems of the world,fix the world, give food and water with the plan brought by the Fasle prophet: The Mark Of The Beast. no one can sell or buy.

And then after Wormwood and the war of Israel The Fifth Trumpet.
Now if the sabbathic year is 2016 it will be impossible For Christ to return because nothing of this happen, It should have happened in 2008 at most.

How Do I say Jesus will return on a Sabbath Year 7? we know when the Census was at the time of Jesus. We Know about Herod, we also know that Jesus was born in a cave not in a hostel or hotel,due that the city was full in a celebration called the day of the trumpets that was a sabbath year.

He came on a sabbathic year a special day for the Lord.and will return on a sabbath year as well. We must Pay attention to 2023, more precisely 2016 or 2015 for the War of Israel and iran and WOORMWOOD. Patricio - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESDQomSqWMM (audio starts at 2:03 minutes.)

MY REPLY

Thanks for your kind words.

> > I do believe that there will be 2 Raptures, one for the believers in Christ and the other for israel.

I think the First-Trump Rapture is for the wise virgins. The Last-Trump Rapture is for the 144,000 Israelites and a lot of other people.

Rev 7:9,10 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb."

> > 2015 can not be the rapture,because we Know that JESUS must Return On a Sabbath year.
Every 7 years is a Sabbatic year, for the Land to rest and for the poor to be fed, and the animals,no man should or can work the land. Freedom and relief for the land.
> > We know that the last Sabbath year was 2009.then the next will be 2016, the next 2023 and so on.

Why do you think Jesus must return in a Sabbatic year? I think he will return on the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee Year, Nisan 1, 5776, Saturday, April 9, 2016. April 9 is the anniversary of Jesus' Resurrection in 30 AD. Thus, it looks like Jesus returns two times on April 9, in 30 AD and in 2016 AD. To me, that sounds like something the Lord would do.

The year before the Jubilee Year must be a Sabbatic Year. 5775 is Sabbatic, because it divides evenly by 7. Therefore, the Jubilee would be announced on the Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, 5776, Wed. Sept. 23, 2015, and begin on the following Nisan 1, 5776, Saturday, April 9, 2016.

According to Haggai 2:18,19, I think the First-Trump Rapture may take place on Kislev 24, 5773, December 8, 2012. I think the Last-Trump Rapture will take place on the Day of God's Wrath, the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776, Monday, September 14, 2015.

> > the reason why He can not return in 2015 is this,
The Fourt trumpet or the 6th seal must happen, we know that The 5t trumpet is when the GTrib will happen.When the AoDesolation.

All 7 trumpet judgments come on the Day of God's Wrath.

Rev 6:12-17 says, "And I beheld when he had opened the SIXTH SEAL, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"

The Last-Trump Rapture takes place after the Day of God's Wrath has come, but before the 7 trumpets are given to the 7 angels.

Rev 7:14 "And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

Rev 8:1,2 says, "And when he had opened the SEVENTH SEAL, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and TO THEM WERE GIVEN SEVEN TRUMPETS."

> > We also know that the GT will be 42 month 3 and half years.

The Great Tribulation is to be shortened. From Dan 8:13,14, it should be 1040 days instead of 1260 days.

Mt 24:20-22 says, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake THOSE DAYS SHALL BE SHORTENED."

> > We also know that before The great trib comes what jesus called The time Of Sorrows and Birthpangs,but to be in that time 2 things must happen,
1st: WW3 Israel will eliminate Damascus and Jordan in a day with Fire(nuclear weapon?)

Damascus will cease to be a city on the Day of God's Wrath. The mountain-sized asteroid in Rev 8:8 will impact the NE Mediterranean Sea. Gog's army will be defeated and Damascus will cease to be a city.

Isa_17:1 "The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap."

Isa 17:11-14 says, "...the harvest shall be a heap in the day of grief and of desperate sorrow. 12 Woe to the multitude of many people, which make a noise like the noise of the seas; and to the rushing of nations, that make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters! 13 The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but God shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind. 14 And behold at eveningtide trouble; and before the morning he is not. This is the portion of them that spoil us, and the lot of them that rob us."

> > Wormwood is a mountain of fire a star of fire, a METEORITE OR A PLANET that will hit the sea and create tsunamis, the grass will be burned,the fishes will die and 1 third of the ships will be destroyes (Tsunamis) that will last 3 and a half years.

I think Wormwood is an asteroid that Satan has lived on since his planet Rahab split up. It will impact the Mediterranean Sea, causing tsunamis, etc. However, I don't think that will last 3.5 years. The Second Advent should be 7 months afterward. The time from Tishri 1, when the asteroid hits Earth, to the Second Advent on Nisan 1 is normally 6 months, but it hits in a leap year. 5776 is a leap year. It has the month of Adar II.

"1st of Adar II, 5776 = Fri, 11 March 2016"

Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? (the asteroid Wormwood, Rev 8:11) 17 Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. 18 He will surely violently turn and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country (i.e., it will hit Babylon on the Euphrates River): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. 19 And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

Isa 51:9 "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (Jesus, Isa 53:1); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (literally, split) Rahab, and wounded the dragon (Satan)?"

> > How Do I say Jesus will return on a Sabbath Year 7?
we know when the Census was at the time of Jesus.
We Know about Herod,
we also know that Jesus was born in a cave not in a hostel or hotel,due that the city was full in a celebration called the day of the trumpets
that was a sabbath year.

I agree that Jesus was born on Trumpets. He was conceived on Kislev 24. Haggai 2:18,19.

AD 27 (3787) was a Sabbatic Year. AD 28 (3788) was a Jubilee Year. Jesus died in 30 AD. To me, 30 AD was neither Sabbatic or a Jubilee.

> > He came on a sabbathic year a special day for the Lord. and will return on a sabbath year as well. We must Pay attention to 2023, more precisely 2016 or 2015 for the War of Israel and iran and WOORMWOOD.

I think Jesus will return the first day of the Jubilee Year 5776, and the Sabbatic Year, 5775, has to precede the Jubilee year. The Day of God's Wrath should be the Feast of Trumpets in 2015.

"1st of Tishrei, 5776 = Mon, 14 September 2015" Agape

INCOMING EMAIL

Exo 34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end (H8622).
Exo 34:23 Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord GOD, the God of Israel. Exo 34:24 For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the LORD thy God thrice in the year. (H8141) H8622
...tequ^pha^h tequ^pha^h
tek-oo-faw', tek-oo-faw'
From H5362; a revolution, that is, (of the sun) course, (of time) lapse: - circuit, come about, end. H5234
na^kar naw-kar'
A primitive root; properly to scrutinize, that is, look intently at; hence (with recognition implied), to acknowledge, be acquainted with, care for, respect, revere, or (with suspicion implied), to disregard, ignore, be strange toward, reject, resign, dissimulate (as if ignorant or disowning): - acknowledge, X could, deliver, discern, dissemble, estrange, feign self to be another, know, take knowledge (notice), perceive, regard, (have) respect, behave (make) self strange (-ly). H8141
...sha^neh sha^na^h
shaw-neh', shaw-naw'
(The first form being in plural only, the second form being feminine); from H8138; a year (as a revolution of time): - + whole age, X long, + old, year (X -ly).

Some people have concluded that Judaism has gotten the calendar all wrong, not because they have, but because what the Torah says about it is something critics of Judaism have not examined as closely as Jews have for thousands of years.

While most MEN count their eyars from the 1st month to the last of the year, the Bible tells us the first month is in the Spring .... but to COUNT OUR YEARS FROM THE 7th MONTH to the NEXT SEVENTH MONTH!!!!! God does not do things the same way as men, but this is what the Scriptures tell us to do.

Lev/Vay 25:9 says... 9 Then shalt thou make proclamation with the blast of the horn on the tenth day of the seventh month; in the day of atonement shall ye make proclamation with the horn throughout all your land.

Now that tells us clear as day that the Jubilee year is counted when?.....Tishri to Tishri. Now read all of Vayikra 25, and you will see it clearly teaches us that ALL counting of Shmitta (7th year or Sabbatical year), harvest, etc., must be in line with Jubilee. Note in verse 8, where it tells us that the counting of Shmitta years must align with Jubilee. So obviously, the 7th month is the start of the year of Jubilee, Shmitta, harvest, buying property, etc.

Some people see this as being in conflict with Exodus/Shemot 12:2, but it is not.

The first month symbolizes creation, redemption, and Passover. But the 7th month symbolizes His return to earth. God has us counting so that we look forward, not backwards!

When we count years as 5760...5761...5762...5763...etc...we are COMMANDED in scripture to count them from the 7th month to the 7th month. Note that Lev 25:8 says

...8 And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and there shall be unto thee the days of seven sabbaths of years, even forty and nine years.

So we're suppose to count the years, and we are suppose to mark that count from the 7th month, until the 7th month, as is clearly explained in the rest of Vayikra 25. (You'll have to read on to see where it says this starts in the 7th month, but I just quoted the most important verse from here earlier in this post.) So Rabbinical Judaism is counting years just like Elohim told them to do it. No where does it say to count year 1, year 2, year 3, .... year 576x... from the first month. It says to count the MONTHS from the Spring, but does NOT say to count years that way.

Scripture says to count your months 1,2,3,4,....12, (sometimes 13) from Nisan to Nisan, and count your years 1,2,3,...5762, 5763, 5764....etc.... from Tishri/Ethanim to Tishri/Ethanim. And that is exactly what Judaism is doing - counting their months and years exactly where Elohim said to start and stop. this is why the FALL is called the "turn of the year" in Exodus/Shemot 34:22, because its when the year "turns" or its count is incremented. Note how it says this....

"Celebrate the Feast of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest and the Feast of Ingathering at the TURN OF THE YEAR" (Exod 34:22) Is this confusing? Maybe a bit so to newcomers of Torah since no other society counts their years from anything other than the 1st month. But we can't let the traditions of men influence how we interpret scripture. Just because human traditions call month 1 the month a year starts in does not mean Elohim will do the same. But its important to understand the Jewish point of view before arguing its wrong. Many people, both in the Church as well as in Messianic movements of some sort, can be eager to say that Judaism has messed everything up, but they are in fact, following these instructions exactly as they are laid out, even if it is not how men would have numbered things.

Jewish tradition teaches that there are 4 "heads" to 4 different types of years. In the Mishnah, Rosh HaShanah 1:1 says:

"There are four new years:

B. (1) The first day of Nisan is the new year for kings and festivals.
C. (2) The first day of Elul is the new year for tithing cattle.
D. ___R. Eleazar and R. Simeon say, "It is on the first day of Tishre".
E. (3) The first day of Tishri is the new year for the counting of years, for Sabbatical years, and for Jubiliees
F. ___for planting and vegitation
G. (4) the first day of Shebat is the new year for trees, in accord with the opinion of the House of Shammai.
H. ___the House of Hillel say, "On the 15th day of that month" "
And biblically one could say there used to be at least one more fifth "head of the year". The phrase, "Rosh HaShanah" or "Head of the Year" appears only once in Scripture, in Ezekiel 40:1 it says,

"In the five and twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year [Rosh HaShanah], in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day...." (Ezek 40:1, KJV [with annotation])

When he uses the phrase "head of the year", this is referring to the head of the "years of exile", measured as how long since Israel was in exile, not the year as Israel came out of Egypt (which is measured from the 1st month), or Jubilee years (measured from the 7th month), or the year for tithing cattle (measured from the 6th month), etc. This is not talking about the 7th month or the first , but the month of Av, for it says "in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day". There is no history of any attack on Israel starting or ending on the 10th day of either Aviv/Nisan or Ethanim / Tishri. But the temple was set afire on the 9th of Av and it took 2 days for it to burn, so the buring of the temple was completed on the 10th of Av. Ezek 40:1 was the exact 25th anniversary of that destruction of the temple. And when we read on in Ezekiel 40, what does G-d choose to reveal to Ezekiel on the 25th anniversary of the destruction of the temple? ..... He reveals what the NEW TEMPLE will look like!!!!! How poetic. The date Ezekiel is giving here is the 10th of Av, on the 25th anniversary of Israel's exile, measured from the day the temple finished burning to the ground. Now this "year" that Ezekiel is referring to, the years of exile, no longer existed when the Mishnah was written, so it was not worth mentioning at that point. But it was mentioned by Ezekiel.

So while there is some minor disagreement in Jewish tradition on this topic, we still see in RH 1:1E that Jewish tradition correctly determnied that Tishri to Tishri is when years are COUNTED, just as Lev 25:9 describes. But it also recognizes another type of "year" that begins on the "Head of the months" of Aviv/Nisan for kings and for setting the calendar.

Now note that for the 2 "years" that are described in scripture, Jewish tradition contains no debate on. But for the other 2 "years", we see some disagreement on how to reckon those.

Now why does the Scirptures tell us to count the year from one seventh month to another? Keep in mind several things: A word for "year" really doesn't exist in Hebrew the same as in English - that is - a word used EXCLUSIVELY to refer to a measure of time. The Hebrew word for "year" (shanah) also can mean "change", "repeat", "study", and perhaps G-d wants us to see all these concepts in this time of year. And there are several instances in which the 7th measure of something creates or precedes a great change in Scripture.

It was on the 7th day that G-d "rested" from creation. The Sabbath rest means we change things every day EXCEPT the 7th day of the week. We work and create assets on every other day, but on the 7th day we rest and make no changes to our wealth. In Lev 13 are regulations concerning a leprous man who is isolated, and on the 7th day is when the priest (kohen) investigates the man to determine is anything has changed about his status of leprousy. The 7th year is the YEAR OF RELEASE, and it is in this year that several changes happen; debts are released, slaves are set free, etc.

In Egypt, there were 7 years of plenty followed by another change; 7 years of famine. In Joshua 6, Israel marched around Jericho for 7 days before a great change happened; the walls fell down. Also, we know that Rosh HaShanah (The "Head of the Year" or the "Head of the Change") symbolically represents the second coming of the Messiah, which is when the biggest change the world will ever see will happen. And setting this in the 7th month could be a hint as to how this event will happen in the 7th Millenium of mankind.

So whatever God's reasons where for having us "see" a "year" or a "change" in the 7th measure of something, this is the association He made and there must have been something symbolically important in the 7th measure of something in which he wanted us to see a change. shalom

MY REPLY

Thanks for posting often on the Five Doves. I sure enjoy reading what you write, and I learn from many things you say. I don't know all the things in Jewish writings like you do, and I am happy to find out. However, this time, I disagree, I hope agreeably. I mean it in a friendly way. We just differ on this subject, and I feel I should let you know why I believe as I do on this. If you change your mind, fine. If you do not change your mind, fine. Thank you Lord, that our salvation does not ride on something as complicated as this. Please help me to understand this correctly. In Jesus' name, Amen.

I just happen to think that the Bible is consistent and that the first day of a year is usually the first day of the first month of the year. In Adam and Noah's day, the first month was Tishri, and that so called "Civil, or Creation, Calendar" is still kept, and rightly so, but in Moses' day, the first month of the "Sacred Calendar" was changed to Nisan. Thus, we have both a Civil Calendar and a Sacred Calendar. Both are useful. To me, it seems that the weeks and days of the week have been kept correctly ever since Adam's day. That may have been encouraged by Enoch. He was a prophet. Jude 1:14 says, "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints".

> > Lev/Vay 25:9 says...
> > 9 Then shalt thou make proclamation with the blast of the horn on the tenth day of the seventh month; in the day of atonement shall ye make proclamation with the horn throughout all your land.

> > Now that tells us clear as day that the Jubilee year is counted when?.....Tishri to Tishri. Now read all of Vayikra 25, and you will see it clearly teaches us that ALL counting of Shmitta (7th year or Sabbatical year), harvest, etc., must be in line with Jubilee. Note in verse 8, where it tells us that the counting of Shmitta years must align with Jubilee. So obviously, the 7th month is the start of the year of Jubilee, Shmitta, harvest, buying property, etc.

The part I disagree with is "So obviously, the 7th month is the start of the year of Jubilee".

To me, the Sabbatic Year started on the first day of the first month, and the Jubilee Year will start on the first day of the first month. The Sabbatic Year is year 49. The Jubilee Year is year 50, which is also year one of the next Sabbatic and Jubilee cycle. The first year of the new Sabbatic Cycle must start on the same date, Nisan 1, that every other year of the Sabbatic Cycle started on. Otherwise, the rolling on of the Sabbatic cycles would become chaotic. They are not chaotic, because they have rolled on regularly ever since this counting began. The Jubilee Year still follows the 49th Sabbatic Year as it was meant to do from its beginning.

The Sabbatic count goes:

7 years + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 (= 49 years)

7 years + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 (= 49 years)

7 years + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 (= 49 years) etc.

In similar manner, the Jubilee years roll on regularly without becoming misaligned with the Sabbatic Years that are also part of the count of the Jubilee years. The first year of the new Sabbatic Cycle following the 49th year is also the first year of the new Jubilee Cycle.

The Sabbatic Years keep marching on regularly, 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7, etc.

The Jubilee count is similar. It goes:

7 years + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 (49 years to here) + 7 (of which year 1 is the Jubilee Year) + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 (another 49 to here) + 7 years (of which year 1 is the Jubilee Year) + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7, etc.

The Jubilee and Sabbatic Years keep marching on regularly, keeping sync with each other, because the 50th year is also the 1st of the new cycle.

Pentecost is counted much the same way:

Feast of Firstfruits + 7 days + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 (i.e., 49 days to here)

Pentecost (meaning 50) is day 1 of the next week.

The weeks keep marching on regularly, 7 days + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7, etc.,

not 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 1 day + 7 + 7, etc.

Likewise, the Sabbatic cycles keep marching on regularly, 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 (i.e., 49) + 7 + 7 + 7, etc.

Also, the Jubilee cycles keep marching on regularly, not 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 (i.e., 49) + 1 (i.e., 50) + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 (i.e., 49) + 1 (i.e., 50) + 7.

The Sabbatic and Jubilee cycles are still aligned today, because the 50th year of the Jubilee Cycle is also year 1 of the new cycle.

Lev 25:8-12 (Stone edition) says, "You shall count for yourself seven cycles of sabbatical years, seven years seven times; the years of the seven cycles of sabbatical years shall be for you forty-nine years. 9 You shall sound a broken blast on the shofar, in the seventh month, on the tenth of the month; on the Day of Atonement (i.e., in the 49th year) you shall sound the shofar throughout your land. 10 You shall sanctify the fiftieth year (i.e., not the 49th year) and proclaim freedom throughout the land for all its inhabitants; it (i.e., the 50th year) shall be the Jubilee Year for you, you shall return each man to his ancestral heritage and you shall return each man to his family. 11 It shall be a Jubilee Year for you - this fiftieth year - you shall not sow, you shall not harvest its aftergrowth and you shall not pick what was set aside of it for yourself. 12 For it is a Jubilee Year..."

Let's look at some other scriptures and think this through together again as if starting from scratch. A year begins on the first day of the first month, not the tenth day of the seventh month.

Speaking of the month Abib, which is now called Nisan, Ex_12:2 (KJV) says, "This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you."

Ex 12:2 (Stone Edition) says, "Hashem said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, This month shall be for you the beginning of the months, it shall be for you the first of the months of the year."

Ex_13:4 (KJV) says, "This day came ye out in the month Abib." The Hebrew word is abiyb, meaning to be tender; green, that is a young ear of grain, hence the name of the month Abib or Nisan: - Abib, ear, green ears of corn."

That grain is barley, not the corn of our days. There must be Abib barley to be waved at Firstfruits. Otherwise the 13th month, Adar II, must be added. The month Abib is now called Nisan.

Ex 13:4 (Stone) says, "Today you are leaving, in the month of springtime."

Therefore, the first day of the 49th year is Abib 1, now called Nisan 1, the first day of the first month in the springtime of each year.

Lev_23:27 says, "Also on the tenth day of this seventh month (now called Tishri) there shall be a day of atonement". The Day of Atonement is on Tishri 10 in a year that began Nisan 1.

Lev 23:23-27 (Stone) says, "HASHEM spoke to Moses, saying: 24 Speak to the Children of Israel, saying: In the seventh month, on the first of the month, there shall be a rest day for you, a remembrance with shofar blasts, a holy convocation. You shall not do any laborious work, and you shall offer a fire-offering to HASHEM. 26 HASHEM spoke to Moses, saying: 27 But on the tenth day of this month (i.e., the 7th month) it is the Day of Atonement..."

On the 10th day of the 7th month of the 49th year, the coming Jubilee is announced to remind people to make whatever arrangements they need to for the 50th year. Some will be moving their household to a different location. They need to think ahead.

When 30 years old, Jesus announced the coming Jubilee Year, "the acceptable year of the Lord," when he read from Isa 61 in the Synagogue on the Sabbath Day (Saturday, Sept. 14, 26 AD, Julian) in the Hebrew Sabbatic Year 3787, which had just started on his birthday.

The Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, 3787, was near his birthday, for I think he was born on Tishri 1, 3757, when the sign of Rev 12 was in the sky, and the Moon was under Virgo's feet, Sept. 4, 5 BC.

The beginning of the Hebrew Civil Years on Tishri 1 now mark Jesus' birthday each year. That is one good reason the Hebrew Civil Years have been kept running, even though there is also a Sacred Year, a Regnal Year and a Jubilee Year that all start on Nisan 1.

Luk 4:16-21(KJV) says, "And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. 17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears."

I believe that the Jubilee Year should be announced on Tishri 10, the Day of Atonement, and begin the following Nisan 1, which is the first month of the Sacred Year, the Regnal Year and the Jubilee Year.

Lev_25:50 says, "And he shall reckon with him that bought him from the year (that started Nisan 1) that he was sold to him unto the year of jubile (starting Nisan 1): and the price of his sale shall be according unto the number of years, according to the time of an hired servant shall it be with him."

> > Exo 34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end (H8622). H8622 is tequphah, "From H5362 (naqaph, to go round); a revolution, that is, (of the sun) course, (of time) lapse: - circuit, come about, end."

The Feast of Ingathering is the Feast of Tabernacles, which is "at the year's end." If Tishri 15 is "at the year's end, it is at the end of the festal year. Tishri 1 is not likely to be the beginning of the Sacred year or the beginning of the Jubilee Year.

> > Rabbinical Judaism is counting years just like Elohim told them to do it. No where does it say to count year 1, year 2, year 3, .... year 576x... from the first month. It says to count the MONTHS from the Spring, but does NOT say to count years that way.

To me, there is no way to count the months of a year except to start with the 1st month and continue to the 12th, or 13th month in a Leap Year. If we are counting days of the year, I start with day one of month one. Some years will have 353, 354, 355, or 383, 384 or 385 days in a leap year. Ex 12:1-3 is clear. It says, "And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, 2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you. 3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month (i.e., Nisan) they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house".

> > The first month symbolizes creation , redemption, and Passover. But the 7th month symbolizes His return to earth. God has us counting so that we look forward, not backwards!

I think Jesus will return on the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee years, Nisan 1, 5776. I think that will follow the Day of God's Wrath on the previous Tishri 1, 5776. The year 5776 will be a leap year. Therefore, there will be 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath and the Day of the Second Advent. Eze 39:11-13 says, "And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog. 12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. 13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD." Jesus will be glorified at the Second Advent.

Col_3:4 says, "When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in GLORY." > > "Celebrate the Feast of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest and the Feast of Ingathering at the TURN OF THE YEAR" (Exod 34:22)

Exo 34:22 (KJV) says, "And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks (i.e., Pentecost), of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering (i.e., Tabernacles) at the year's end." That makes Nisan 1 the first of the year and the Feast of Tabernacles "at the year's end" (tequphah, revolution, compass about, go round about). It is talking about the revolving of the Sacred Year.

YLT says, "And a feast of weeks thou dost observe for thyself; first-fruits of wheat-harvest; and the feast of in-gathering, at the revolution of the year."

> > Also, we know that Rosh HaShanah (The "Head of the Year" or the "Head of the Change") symbolically represents the second coming of the Messiah, which is when the biggest change the world will ever see will happen. And setting this in the 7th month could be a hint as to how this event will happen in the 7th Millenium of mankind.

I think Jesus will return on Nisan 1, the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee Year, April 9, 2016. That will be seven months after the Day of God's Wrath, Tishri 1, 5776. Therefore, 5776 must be a leap year, and it is.

Eze 39:12,13 says, "And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. 13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD." Jesus will be glorified at the Second Advent. Agape

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