Pro and Con 1673

Posted 12-12-2012

GEMINI, THE BRIDE AND BRIDEGROOM SEATED TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES



The two main stars are Castor and Pollux. In the Gospel in the Stars, Castor means the ruler or judge. Pollux means who comes to labor and suffer. In the foot of Pollux is Al Henah, meaning the hurt or afflicted. Another star is Mebsuta, meaning treading underfoot. Wasat means established as a foundation, or appointed to rule. Al Dira means the seed, which is Christ in Gen. 3:15. Propus means the branch spreading. Jesus is called "the Branch of righteousness" in Jer 33:15. The harp represents praise, singing and rejoicing.

Psa 149:5 says, "Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds."
Rev 9:9 says that the saints "sung a new song."


I AM LOOKING FOR THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE ON TEVETH 1, 5773, DEC. 14, 2012

The meaning of number 14 fits right in. It means DELIVERANCE, SALVATION, RELEASE. Israel was delivered from the death of the firstborn when the Passover lamb was killed on Nisan 14. When the ship that was carrying Paul to Rome was caught in the storm, they were delivered on the 14th day (Acts 27:33, 34).

May 14, 1948, Israel became a nation.

Dec 14, 1903, Wilbur Wright made his first flight attempt.
Dec 14, 1962, Mariner 2 makes 1st U.S. fly-by of another planet (Venus).
Dec 14, 1972, Eugene Cernan and Harrison Schmitt took off from the Moon.
Dec 14, 1981, Israel annexed the Golan Heights.
Dec 14, 1986, In Voyager, Dick Rutan and Jeana Yeager took off from Edwards AFB on 1st non-stop, non-refueled flight around world.

THE GEMINID METEOR SHOWERS

"3200 Phaethon is not spewing enough dust to account for the Geminids. Could the rock comet have been more active in the past....? "We just don't know," says Cooke.

Forecasters expect Geminid meteor rates to top 100 per hour when the shower peaks on the moonless nights of Dec. 13th and 14th, 2012." (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2012/09dec_rockcomet/)

"With no moon to ruin the show, 2012 presents a most favorable year for watching the grand finale of the meteor showers. Best viewing of the Geminids will probably be from about 1 a.m. to 3 a.m. on December 14." (http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/earthskys-meteor-shower-guide)

The meteors seem to come from Gemini in the area the stars Castor and Pollux occupy. To me, that suggests that the Rapture is near, because in the Gospel in the Stars, Castor and Pollux represent the Bride and Bridegroom sitting together in heavenly places.

INCOMING EMAIL FROM RON REESE

DOES THE EVIDENCE POINT TO HANUKKAH, DEC. 14-15, 2012, AS THE TIME OF THE RAPTURE?

Although I have been mainly pointing towards Dec. 7--8th, the start of Hanukkah, as the possible time of the Rapture and Sudden Destruction. I have been saying right along, that the whole 8 Days of Hanukkah are potential Rapture Days. Renee M. has been posting on a regular basis A WHOLE LOT OF EXCELLENT STUDIES THAT MAKE HANUKKAH, DAY 6--7, DEC. 14--15, 2012, A POTENTIAL HIGH RAPTURE ALERT TIME. DOES THE EVIDENCE POINT TO HANUKKAH, DEC. 14--15, 2012, AS THE TIME OF THE RAPTURE?

40 days inclusive from Obama's re-election as the Antichrist is Dec. 15th. Renee's excellent website is http://jesusiscoming2015.webs.com, with many posts and videos pointing to Hanukkah, Dec. 14--15, 2012.... The Feast of Dedication (Hanukkah) is an eight day festival to celebrate the ancient victory of the Maccabees over the Syrians whose leader typifies the Antichrist. This "Feast of Dedication" is popularly known as the "Festival of Lights." This festival is associated with the miracle in which the lamps stayed lit for "eight" days while the Temple in Jerusalem was rededicated, although there was only enough oil to fuel the Temple's lamps for only "one" day.

MY COMMENT

It is my understanding that the jug of oil was replenished each of the 7 remaining days, so the Temple lampstand could be relighted each day. "After pouring the oil into the cups of the menorah, the Maccabees saw to their amazement that the oil jug was still full. A miracle - even on the first day!" http://www.torahtots.com/holidays/chanuka/chanstr.htm

MY REPLY TO AN INCOMING EMAIL (omitted)

PEARL HARBOR DAY SIGN

Thanks for reminding me. Japan just had two huge earthquakes, a 7.3 and a 6.2, on Pearl Harbor Day. Dec. 7, 2012.

The strongest I have ever felt was 6.0 and that brought down part of the VA hospital, and I wasn't anywhere near the epicenter. I don't pay much attention to 4.0 or 5.0. They rattle the windows and vibrate my chair, but a 6.0 is scary. One time when we lived in La Mirada, nearer to Los Angeles than Riverside, we heard an earthquake in the middle of the night that not only rattled the windows, but sounded like a train was running over our bed. That was astonishing. I didn't know it could do that. Damage we have had is cracked driveway, cracked patio slab, cracked walls, cracked ceiling, broken ceramic fish that fell down from a high ledge. Not too bad for an earthquake prone region. We are near the San Andreas Fault.

"Tsunami waves up to 3 feet high hit the coast of Japan Friday, after a strong earthquake in the sea that shook buildings 300 miles away in Tokyo.
"The temblor was registered at a magnitude of 7.3 and struck at 5:18 p.m. local time (3:18 a.m. ET), according to the U.S. Geological Survey.
"The earthquake hit in the same area as the devastating quake and tsunami in March last year that killed nearly 20,000 people and triggered the world's worst nuclear crisis in 25 years.
"Friday's quake struck about 200 miles southeast of Kamaishi, the USGS said. The epicenter was 6.2 miles beneath the seabed, according to the Japan Meteorological Agency."
(http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/07/15746579-small-tsunami-waves-hit-japan-after-73-magnitude-earthquake?lite)

"M 6.2 - OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN - 2012-12-07 08:31:14 UTC...253 km E Sendai"
(http://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=296235)

I live in Riverside, CA, and Sendai is our sister city. I feel for them. They got the tsunami warning and had to flee, not knowing how big a tsunami would come ashore. The tsunami warning was turned off after a couple of hours. I saw one map of the island of Honshu. It was covered with earthquake circles. There must have been a flurry of smaller earthquakes besides the two big ones.

FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE

I think Dec. 14, 2012 has the best chance of being the date of the First-Trump Rapture, because it will be Teveth 1, the only day during Hanukkah that the trumpet is to be blown. They were to blow the trumpet on the 7 feast days and the first day of each month.

Hurricane Sandy's fury Oct 29 and 30 plus 40 days brings us to Dec. 7, Pearl Harbor Day, and Dec 8, Kislev 24, the Eve of Hanukkah. Kislev 24 is mentioned in Haggai 2:18,19. From this day and upward, we are to be blessed.

Tonight, my friend Suzie in Pensacola called to tell me that Fox News said that 40 years ago, on Dec. 14, 1972, Eugene Cernan and Harrison Schmitt, 11th and 12th men to walk on the Moon, lifted off of the Moon. It is a good sign. Launched from Earth on Dec 7, Apollo 17, the last of the Apollo Moon landing series, left the Moon one week later, on Dec. 14.

The Rapture is to be as in the days of Noah. Forty days from Cheshvan 17 is Wed. 12-12-12. That is when the 40 days of rain stopped in Noah's day.

The next day, 12-13-12, will be my 84th birthday. The night of Dec. 13/14 is when the Geminid Meteor Shower is expected to peak. Gemini stands for the Bride and Bridegroom sitting together in heavenly places.

The next day, 12-14-12, is Teveth 1, when the trumpet is to be blown. It is also the day Esther, meaning star, was made Queen by Ahasuerus. What is to be has already been, and there is nothing new under the Sun.

Est 2:16-18 says, "So Esther was taken unto king Ahasuerus (meaning lion king, suggesting the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, Jesus) into his house royal in the tenth month, which is the month Tebeth, in the seventh year of his reign. 17 And the king loved Esther above all the women, and she obtained grace and favour in his sight more than all the virgins (Esther was a wise virgin); so that he set the royal crown upon her head, and made her queen instead of Vashti. 18 Then the king made a great feast unto all his princes and his servants, even Esther's feast; and he made a release to the provinces, and gave gifts, according to the state of the king."

That feast reminds me, I had a dream where Ed and I were walking up to the door of a large warehouse-type building in Heaven. A boy I led to the Lord just before he was killed ran up and hugged me, then got lost in the crowd. Inside, Ed and I were seated at long tables covered with white tablecloths, then served food. I turned around looking for salt and saw that boy seated across the aisle and a couple of rows back of us.

The word for month is chodesh. If there is no day number, it means the first day of the month, because it means both new moon and month. The new moon is the first day of the month. Next Friday is Teveth 1.

The Last-Trump Rapture is suggested by Esther 2:19. It says, "And when the virgins were gathered together the second time, then Mordecai (representing the 144,000 Israelites) sat in the king's gate."

My husband Ed flew to Heaven on Teveth 1, 5772. I think the wise virgins will fly to Heaven on Teveth 1, 5773, Dec. 14, 2012. Jesus said he would give us the morning star. In Israel, Saturn will rise about 1:10 AM on Dec. 14. At that time, the only other planet visible will be Jupiter. I hope we will be caught up to Saturn the night of Dec. 13.14.

> > 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

Actually, in 2 Thess 2:3, it is "he apostasia," THE DEPARTURE, or THE DISAPPEARANCE. That makes a big difference. Why?

In Scripture, the use of the definite article means that THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED TO. IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ALREADY KNOW. II Thess. 2:1-17 refers back to when the Rapture was discussed previously in 1 Thess 4:13-18. To understand the Rapture, then the revealing of the man of sin afterward, we should put all the information in the two passages together.

There are two mistakes in the KJV translation of II Thess. 2:1-3. The "day of Christ" should read "day of the Lord", which is also the Day of God's Wrath. After the KJV came out, three older copies of the Bible were found. All three, the Vatican Codex, the Alexandrine Codex, and the Sinaitic Codex have "day of the Lord".

The word translated "falling away" is apostasia. It should be translated departing. It was so translated in the English Bibles before the KJV came out.

1. Wycliffe Bible (1330), "departynge first"
2. Tyndale Bible (1525/26), "departynge first"
3. Coverdale Bible 1535), "departynge first"
4. Crammer Bible (1539), "departynge first"
5. Beeches Bible (1583), "departing first"
6. Beza Bible (1583), "departing first"
7. Geneva Bible (1560), "departing first"

In the Liddell-Scott-Jones Lexicon of Classical Greek, apostasia means: 1. rebellion against God, apostasy, 2. DEPARTURE, DISAPPEARANCE, 3. distinguishing, and 4. distance.

To get a feel for what the Greek words really mean, let's follow the rabbit trail in Strong's Greek Concordance.

G646 apostasia
Feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly the state), ("apostasy"): - falling away, forsake.
G647 apostasion
Neuter of a (presumed) adjective from a derivative of G868; properly something separative, that is, (specifically) divorce: - (writing of) divorcement.
G868 aphistemi
From G575 and G2476; TO REMOVE, that is, (actively) instigate to revolt; usually (reflexively) to desist, desert, etc.: - DEPART, draw (fall) away, refrain, withdraw self.
G575 apo
A primary particle; "off", that is, away (from something near), in various senses (of place, time, or relation; literally or figuratively): - (X here-) after, ago, at, because of, before, by (the space of), for (-th), from, in, (out) of, off, (up-) on (-ce), since, with. In composition (as a prefix) it usually denotes separation, DEPARTURE, cessation, completion, reversal, etc.
G2476 histemi
A prolonged form of a primary word sta'? stao (of the same meaning, and used for it in certain tenses); to stand (transitively or intransitively), used in various applications (literally or figuratively): - abide, appoint, bring, continue, covenant, establish, hold up, lay, present, set (up), stanch, stand (by, forth, still, up). Compare G5087.
G5087 tithemi
A prolonged form of a primary word...(which is used only as an alternate in certain tenses); to place (in the widest application, literally and figuratively; properly in a passive or horizontal posture, and thus different from G2476, which properly denotes an upright and active position, while G2749 is properly reflexive and utterly prostrate): - + advise, appoint, bow, commit, conceive, give, X kneel down, lay (aside, down, up), make, ordain, purpose, put, set (forth), settle, sink down.
G2749 keimai
Middle voice of a primary verb; to lie outstretched (literally or figuratively): - be (appointed, laid up, made, set), lay, lie. Compare G5087.

Here is that passage in the KJV. Notes in parentheses are mine.

2Th 2:1-5 says, "Now we beseech you, brethren (believers), by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him (i.e., by means of the Rapture), 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (i.e., day of the Lord) is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (i.e., the Day of the Lord) shall not come, except there come a falling away (departing, i.e., the First-Trump Rapture) first, and that man of sin (i.e., the Satan possessed False Prophet) be revealed, the son of perdition (like Judas Iscariot, possessed by Satan); 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?"

We are the temple of the Holy Spirit. After we depart, the earthly Temple can be built.

2 Timothy 2:19 says, "Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ DEPART (G868 aphistemi) from iniquity."

1 Timothy 6:5 says, "Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such WITHDRAW (G868 aphistemi) thyself."

2 Corinthians 12:8 says, "For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might DEPART (G868 aphistemi) from me."

Acts 12:10 says, "When they were past the first and the second ward, they came unto the iron gate that leadeth unto the city; which opened to them of his own accord: and they went out, and passed on through one street; and forthwith the angel DEPARTED (G868 aphistemi) from him."

Luke 4:13 says, "And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he (G868 aphistemi) from him for a season."

I think "apostasia" in 2Thess 2:3 should be translated "departure." The older Bibles had it right. The KJV was the first to get that wrong. Sadly, several modern versions have followed the KJV.

In the Geneva Bible, the "day of Christ" should be "day of the Lord", another mistake in this passage. Older manuscripts were found after the KJV was translated, the Sinaitic Codex (331 AD), the Alexandrine Codex (1078) and the Vatican Codex (1475 or 1481). All three have "day of the Lord".

The Day of Christ is the day of the First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:16,17, and the Day of the Lord is the day of the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51,52 and the Day of God's Wrath.

2Th 2:2,3 in the Geneva Bible says, "That ye be not suddenly mooued from your minde, nor troubled neither by spirit, nor by worde, nor by letter, as it were from vs, as though the day of Christ (should be day of the Lord) were at hand. Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day (i.e., the Day of the Lord) shall not come, except there come a DEPARTING first, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition" (emphasis mine).

After the First-Trump Rapture of the temple of the Holy Spirit, maybe on 12-14-12, the literal Temple can be built. Also, after we are gone, the False Prophet can be revealed. I wonder if that will happen 7 days later, on 12-21-12. Satan may have known the date he could enter into the False Prophet. Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, Re: "You an Inspiration"

I often read your posts and wanted you to know what an inspiration you are to me. You mentioned your age a few weeks ago and was floored. Awesome and a pleasure to read your posts.

MY REPLY

Thanks for your kind words. My husband Ed prayed for a Christian wife and got me. Before he died, he said, "I'm going to die and you are going to get many rewards." That isn't why I did it. I just want to know what the Bible means, all of it. It has layers of meanings, so I never tire of studying it. The rest are sort of by products of my studies. Ed is the one that said I should be on the Internet. As soon as my 3rd book was finished, he took me down to the mall the same day and signed me up. Now as I look back on it, I think the Internet was what I was really supposed to do. We didn't know it was coming, but the Lord did. Agape

INCOMING EMAIL TO RON REESE, FWD TO ME

Hi Ron; Do not labor in vain my friend: The Rapture will not happen until near the end of the 7-year Tribulation period sometime between Aug & Sept 2016! God Bless, Doc
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From: Rgreese49@aol.com Subj: Hanukkah, Day 6--7, Dec. 14--15th--Is this the time of the Rapture/SD?
DOES THE EVIDENCE POINT TO HANUKKAH, DEC. 14--15, 2012, AS THE TIME OF THE RAPTURE?--PART 1

Although I have been mainly pointing towards Dec. 7--8th, the start of Hanukkah, as the possible time of the Rapture and Sudden Destruction. I have been saying right along, that the whole 8 Days of Hanukkah are potential Rapture Days. Renee M. has been posting on a regular basis A WHOLE LOT OF EXCELLENT STUDIES THAT MAKE HANUKKAH, DAY 6--7, DEC. 14--15, 2012, A POTENTIAL HIGH RAPTURE ALERT TIME....

MY REPLY

I think the schedule of events will probably be something like this.

First-Trump Rapture, Teveth 1, 5773, Fri. Dec. 14, 2012

Second-Trump Rapture, Tishri 1, 5776, Mon. Sept. 14, 2015, Feast of Trumpets, Day of the Lord, Day of God's Wrath, Day of Jacob's Trouble, Jesus' Long Day

Second Advent, Nisan 1, 5776, Sat. April 9, 2016, 1st day of Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee years, anniversery of Jesus' Resurrection on Sun. April 9, 30 AD.

The Jubilee year must be preceded by a Sabbatic Year. 5775 is Sabbatic. I think it locks in the year of the Second Advent. Agape

FOUND ON FIVE DOVES SITE

Who is the first beast who mankind has nicknamed the antichrist?

Let's not speculate who we (mankind) think this entity will be but lets rely only on God's Word and God's descriptions as to the identity of this first beast. God has told us very clearly through His Word who this first beast will be and Barak Obama doesn't even come close to fulfilling God's description. Please read on for the identity of the antichrist.

The average person gets confused and frustrated immediately with the description John the apostle wrote concerning the first beast in Rev.13. They want to throw in the towel as to the identity of this beast after reading the bizarre characteristics God through John uses to describe this beast. God doesn't want us to throw in the towel but to continue to read the verses in Revelation 17 and elsewhere where He makes things much clearer and interprets these bizarre characteristics. God challenges us to figure out who this beast is by saying....."here is the mind that has wisdom" or, is there anyone out there that is willing dedicate enough time reading My Word to discern the identity of this beast?

First let's list these descriptions or clues to the identity of the first beast (the antichrist) that show up in Rev.13..........

1) This beast rises up out of the sea (literally and figuratively)
2) This beast has seven heads and ten horns and on his horns ten crowns (figuratively)
3) On each of the seven heads is a blasphemous name (figuratively)
4) This beast had the body of a leopard, the feet of a bear and the mouth of a lion (figuratively)
5) John saw one of his seven heads as if it had been mortally wounded and his deadly wound was healed (literally)
6) The dragon / Satan gave this beast his power, his throne, and his authority (literally)
7) The whole world marveled at the power of the beast, so they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast and they worshiped the beast (literally)
8) The beast was given great oratory skills speaking great things and also speaking great blasphemies. He was given authority to continue these blasphemies and "smooze" the world with his oratory skills for 42 months or three and one half years. (literally)
9) And / then after 42 months had transpired he opened his mouth and directly blasphemed God, God's Holy name, God's tabernacle, and those who live in heaven (in other words at this point he, the first beast, declared himself to be the one true God)
10) It was then (at the 42 month mark) granted him (from God) to make war with the saints (the two witnesses) and overcome them (he, the first beast) was allowed to kill the two witnesses at this point to prove to the world he was indeed the true God. (For prior to this, in the 42 month ministry of the two witnesses no one was able to injure them)
11) At this time(at the 42 month mark) he was given authority(for the remainder of the 7 year tribulation period) over every tribe, tongue and nation. All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

In Rev.17 God clears up the strange descriptions from Rev.13 and revels to us.........

1) that this beast with seven heads and ten horns is directly affiliated or joined with a worldwide organization depicted as drunken harlot woman
2) that the seven heads of this beast represent seven kings but not any seven kings but seven kings affiliated with this worldwide organization of the drunken harlot woman
3) that this woman / worldwide organization is also a great city located on seven mountains or seven hills
4) that all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich attending to the luxury of her lifestyle
5) that this woman / organization adorns (dresses) herself primarily in purple and scarlet, adorns herself with gold, precious stones and pearls and has in her hand a golden cup (chalice) full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.
6) that this organization was drunkenly responsible for the deaths of Jesus' followers (untold millions of them in the Middle Ages)
7) that this organization can be linked to merchants of the earth selling it.......gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of precious wood, bronze,iron and marble, and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and flour, fine flour and wheat cattle and sheep, horses and chariots and the bodies and souls of men
8) that one of these seven kings that has been affiliated with this worldwide organization will be the first beast or the antichrist. This beast, this entity, who was alive and a king of this organization, died and will ascend from the bottomless pit to accomplish his evil mission and return to perdition
9) that when John the revelator had his vision of these seven kings of this organization five of them were already dead. The one John was focused on in his vision the sixth was alive but died. The seventh king will reign for a relatively short time. The eighth king who was one of the seven (the sixth) will become the first beast, the antichrist.
10) that the ten horns of the beast represent 10 kings who as yet have no kingdom but will be crowned kings under the reign of the antichrist to do his bidding. They will make war with Jesus and he will defeat them. 11) that the drunken harlot woman not only represents a worldwide organization but also a city built on seven mountains/ hills that will be the world headquarters of the antichrist during his reign over the kings of the earth.

Let's also clear up some other muddy water. Popular belief (put forth by Satan) is that the antichrist is shot in the head, killed, and then miraculously comes back to life. Millions of people have bought this lie and are waiting for this to happen and it's no where near the truth. The related scripture (Rev.13:3) says......"And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed." From Rev.17 God told us that the heads represent kings. So the right interpretation is .........And I saw one of the kings "as if" (looking like) he had been mortally wounded, and his wound that could have proved deadly, was not, and healed.

Has this prophecy of the wounded king already happened and was it the correct king as per God's word?? The answer is yes and yes. John the revelator was focused on the sixth king in Rev.17:10 who would also become the eighth king and the antichrist. Was this king mortally wounded and survived? Yes

I guess it's time to formally introduce these seven kings that represent the seven heads of the beast. These seven kings as we learned above are joined to a worldwide organization which God described in great detail above. As you may have logically concluded by now that organization can be none other than the Roman Catholic Church. A person would be hard pressed to describe the RCC it's location and attributes better than John the revelator did in 90AD before there even was a RCC when he wrote Revelation 17.

At this point people are going to say this can't be right because the Roman Catholic Church is ruled by popes not kings and there have been many more than seven popes over the centuries. What people don't realize is that the RCC the Vatican did not become its own country until 1929. Prior to that the popes ruled the RCC but were not kings. Now since 1929, they hold the title of pope and king of their own country. And yes you guessed it, there have been seven popes / kings of the Vatican State since 1929. The current pope is the seventh and the next pope will be the eighth....becoming the first beast or as we call him the antichrist. John the revelator indicated that the king / pope he was focused on, the sixth, was alive, he died, and is himself also the eighth, one of the seven and will go to perdition.

So who was this sixth pope / king who a likeness of will ascend from the bottomless pit..... be indwelled by Satan.......manifest great lying signs and wonders........exhibit extraordinary oratory skills.........smooze the planet for three and one half years building his alliances with the ten kings to come.........then terrorize the planet for the remainder of the seven year trib period?

The most beloved pope of all whose worldwide ecumenical movement laid the groundwork for a one world religion........John Paul II

God tells us in Rev.13 and Rev.17 that the whole world will marvel (be dumbfounded and speechless) when they see this person (John Paul II) who was alive, died, and yet is seemingly alive again. Rev.17:8

Not to say that this will literally be John Paul II but a clone which is part of the great deception scripture speaks of. I believe the identity of this entity to be the demonic king of the bottomless pit spoken of in Rev.9:11. His name is Abaddon. I believe he (Abaddon) will ascend from the bottomless pit masquerading as the likeness of John Paul II and also become indwelled by Satan as per God's word.

Will he literally and figuratively rise out of the sea? It appears that the bottomless pit is below the sea because God says this beast will rise from the sea. So one can only assume that that is where the bottomless pit is. And figuratively he comes from the "see" because the Vatican is officially called "The Holy See". So he will rise from that "see" as well.

Does the seven heads, ten horns, ten crowns passage now make sense? Yes

Does the wounding of one of the seven heads now make sense? Yes Pope John Paul II the sixth king of the Vatican State was shot and mortally wounded but survived his wounds just as scripture had foretold.

What about the blasphemous name that each of the seven heads carry? We now know that the heads represent kings and we know now that these seven kings represent seven popes. Is there a blasphemous name that all these seven popes carried? Yes In the Roman Catholic Church all popes are called the "Vicar of Christ on Earth" meaning that they assume the power and authority of Christ here on earth and are infallible in their edicts whatever they might be. This is complete and utter blasphemy just as Rev.13:1 states.

What about the verse that states that this first beast was like a leopard, had feet like a bear and a mouth like a lion......can I explain that to you? No I can't. If there are any Doves with spiritual knowledge of this please help me out.

There is one more falsehood that needs addressing.........the reign of this first beast the antichrist. It is not 42 months or three and one half years. I repeat it is not 42 months. Another deception that has been propagated by Satan. Rev.13:5 states that after this beast comes he is given or assumes great oratory skills speaking great things and great blasphemies. (I can't prove this but I believe he will be able to speak multiple languages like the early apostles did or speak a language that all will somehow understand) And it says that he will continue this for 42 months. I believe that this beast will appear on the world stage immediately after the rapture of the church. The whole world will be in chaos and he will step forward with his answers as to what has just transpired in the rapture. With his Satan filled ability to manifest great signs and wonders (supposed miracles) he along with his great oratory skills will calm the planet. He will propose a 7 year plan to bring the world back to peace and safety and economic stability which equals the new world order of a one world religion, a one world currency and a one world government. He will be working behind the scenes these first 42 months consolidating his power and his grand deception along with the second beast and the ten kings (ten horns) he will give power to. To reiterate again this will take him 42 months.

Okay, now lets go on to the very next word of the next verse.....verse 6.....The verse starts in my New King James version with the word "then" or the original King James version with the word "and". Either way it's the same meaning because when you use "and" to start a sentence it means then.

So we know 42 months had transpired to the end of verse 5. Then starting in verse 6 after the beast has spent 42 months smoozing the planet and consolidating his power he turns into a monster for the remaining time of the 7 year tribulation period. What does he do then or next?

We see in Rev.13:6,7,8....

6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blasphemy His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. ( the beast then after 42 months declares himself to be the one true God and has come to earth to establish his kingdom)

7) It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue and nation.( the reign of the two witness runs concurrently with the first 42 months of the beast. No one was able to harm the two witnesses or they would be toasted like a marshmallow. All this changes at the 42 month time frame, it's the end of the two witnesses ministry and now God has granted the first beast the power to kill / overcome the two witnesses. This is how the beast proves to the world that he is God by killing those who no one else could kill)

8) All who dwell on earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. So after declaring himself to be the true God and killing the two witnesses to prove it...... the beast gains authority over the whole planet. And his horrible reign runs in addition to the first 42 months for some duration totaling less than 7 years. Not sure how long that duration is because God had to cut the full seven years short or no life would have survived on the planet. I am assuming that it was at least 3+ more years in addition to the initial 42 months the earth is to suffer under the reign of the beasts and Satan before Christ's second return.

There's a lot more but enough for today.......I truly hope that this viewing of God's Word from Rev.13 and 17 has made things clearer for you concerning the identity of the first beast who mankind calls the antichrist who will deceive millions. Millions are already deceived into believing it's Obama as the antichrist and the main deception show hasn't even gotten started yet. Blessings.........John B

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> > Who is the first beast who mankind has nicknamed the antichrist?

I agree with you. The Pope. I can fill in some of the blanks. I know what the leopard represents. In the following scriptures, the things in parentheses are my comments.

Concerning the time of the First-Trump Rapture, Rev 17:14 says, "...he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that ARE WITH HIM are called, and chosen, and faithful." Therefore, the first Rapture has just taken place.

There is a Last-Trump Rapture. It takes place on the Day of God's Wrath (Rev. 6:17; 7:14), just before the two asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11 hit Earth.

Of the time right after the first Rapture, Rev 17:10 says, "And there are seven kings (leaders of Babel, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece, Holy Roman Empire, Ecclesiastical Roman Empire, and Babylon III): five are fallen, and ONE IS (the Pope, head of the Ecclesiastical Roman Empire), and the other (the False Prophet, head of Babylon III) is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space" (the shortened Great Tribulation).

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which (at the time of the First-Trump Rapture) have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast" (the False Prophet).

Before we read Rev 13, we need to understand what the sea represents. Rev 17:15 says, "The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues." The sea can have a literal meaning, the Pope comes out of Vatican City, which is in Rome, which is in Italy, a boot sticking out into the Mediterranean Sea, also a double meaning, representing "the Holy See" out of which the Pope comes.

Rev 13:1-10 says, "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast (Satan, the great red dragon) rise up out of the sea (nations), having seven heads (as in Rev 17:10) and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns (then this time is after the first Rapture), and upon his heads (all seven) THE NAME (one name) of blasphemy (vilification, evil speaking, i.e., pontifex maximus, that was started by Nimrod at the Tower of Babel, and carried on through all the leaders and the Caesars to the Pope). 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard (Greece, Dan 7:6):, and his feet were as the feet of a bear (Media-Persia, Dan 7:5), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (Babylon, Dan 7:4) : and the dragon (Satan) gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority." 3 And I saw ONE OF HIS HEADS (the Holy Roman Empire) as it were (as if it were) wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed (becoming the Ecclesiastical Roman Empire): and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon (Satan) which gave power unto the beast (the Pope): and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? (no one) who is able to make war with him? (no one)5 And there was given unto him (the Pope) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to CONTINUE (i.e., he is already in office) forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them (the wise virgins) THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the First-Trump Rapture is past). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish virgins), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world (i.e., he is wooing the Muslims in our days). 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints."

How old is Pope Benedict XVI? 85 years old (born April 16, 1927). His age is easy for me to remember, because I was born Dec. 13, 1928.

He has already visited the Dome of the Rock on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem to pick out a spot for his throne. The picture made that day is posted above.

> > The eighth king who was one of the seven (the sixth) will become the first beast, the antichrist.

Rev 17:8 says, "The beast (Satan) that thou sawest was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man at the time of the First-Trump Rapture); and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit (after Mid-Trib), and go into perdition (the False Prophet): and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast (Satan) that was (in Judas), and is not (in man at the time of the first Rapture), and yet is" (exists).

At the time of the First-Trump Rapture, Rev 17:10,11 says, "And there are seven kings: five are fallen (kings of Babel, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece, the Holy Roman Empire), and one is (the Ecclesiastical Roman Empire), and the other (Babylon III) is not yet come; and when he (the False Prophet) cometh, he must continue a short space (the shortened Great Tribulation). 11 And the beast that was (Satan), and is not (in man now), even he is the eighth, and is of the seven (he rules them), and goeth into perdition" (he possesses the False Prophet).

Concerning the time after the First-Trump Rapture, Rev 13:11,12 says, "And I beheld another (allos, different) beast (therion, a dangerous, venomous, wild beast, i.e., Satan) coming up out of the earth (he was cast out of Heaven into the Earth in Rev. 12); and he had two horns (two comings to power, in Judas Iscariot and the False Prophet) like a lamb (like Christ has two Advents), and he (i.e., Satan, who comes up out of the Earth and enters into the False Prophet) spake as a dragon (because the False Prophet is Satan-possessed). 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast (the Antichrist, the Pope) before (enopion, in the presence of) him (the Pope), and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast (the Pope), whose deadly wound was healed."

In Mat_7:15, Jesus said, "Beware of false prophets (plural), which come to you in sheep's clothing (i.e., wool), but inwardly they are ravening wolves."

In Mat_10:16 Jesus said, "Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves."

The Pope's badge of office is the lamb's-wool pallium, the symbol of the jurisdiction delegated to him by the Apostolic See. It is bestowed upon the Pope by the Apostolic See at the time of his coronation. I put pictures above of Pope John Paul and Pope Benedict wearing their lamb's-wool palliums. There are crosses on them.

2Th 2:3-12 says, "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (i.e., the Day of the Lord) shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostacia, a DEPARTING, i.e., a Rapture) FIRST, and that man of sin (the False Prophet) be revealed (i.e., after the first Rapture), the son of perdition (he will be Satan-possessed); 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God (i.e., after the First-Trump Rapture). 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what (i.e., the Holy Spirit) withholdeth that he (the False Prophet) might be revealed in his time (i.e., after the First-Trump Rapture). 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he (the Holy Spirit) who now letteth (katecho, to hold down) will let (hold down), until he be taken out of the way (i.e., the Holy Spirit's restraining influence will be taken away at the time of the First-Trump Rapture). 8 And then shall that Wicked (i.e., the False Prophet) be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them (those that perish) strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Rev 12:7-12 says, "AND THERE WAS WAR IN HEAVEN: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; NEITHER WAS THEIR PLACE FOUND ANY MORE IN HEAVEN. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and SATAN, which deceiveth the whole world: HE WAS CAST OUT INTO THE EARTH, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, YE HEAVENS, and ye (i.e., those that were caught up in the First-Trump Rapture) that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time." (i.e., the shortened Great Tribulation).Agape

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