Pro and Con 1674

Posted 12-16-2012

FLASH! THE POPE JUST CALLED FOR "THE ESTABLISHMENT OF
WORLD GOVERNMENT AND A NEW WORLD ORDER"

(My note: Before I get into more about the Pope's statements, I think two things will probably take place before this coming NEW WORLD ORDER is established. 1. Satan and his fallen angels will be cast out of Heaven, and 2. The First-Trump Rapture will take place.)

"Vatican Calls for the Establishment of World Government and a New World Order"
http://www.theglobalistreport.com/vatican-world-government-new-world-order/
By Andrew Puhanic

WHEN DID THE POPE CALL FOR "THE ESTABLISHMENT OF WORLD GOVERNMENT AND A NEW WORLD ORDER"?

On Dec. 3, 2012, prior to the World Day of Peace, Dec. 14, Pope Benedict XVI made a speech to the Plenary Assembly of the Pontifical Council for justice and Peace. He called for that very thing, "THE ESTABLISHMENT OF WORLD GOVERNMENT AND A NEW WORLD ORDER" as a means of defending global peace and justice.

He called for the "CONSTRUCTION OF A WORLD COMMUNITY, WITH A CORRESPONDING AUTHORITY" to serve the "common good of the human family". IT IS supposedly NOT TO CREATE A NEW SUPERPOWER, BUT A NEW GOVERNING BODY that sets up the criteria for judgment and practical guidelines for those who are responsible for making decisions.

The proposed body (World Government) would not be a superpower, concentrated in the hands of a few, which would dominate all peoples, exploiting the weakest.

THE pope described his vision as a "moral force" that has the "power to influence in accordance with reason, that is, a participatory authority, limited by law in its jurisdiction."
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"Vatican Calls for the Establishment of World Government and a New World Order!!!"
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2077023/pg1

"It was reported that the Vatican sought "a supranational authority" which would have worldwide scope and "universal jurisdiction" to guide and control global economic policies and decisions.

"China's new push for closer ties with Russia, the growing intrusions from the United Nations with regards to control of the internet and the latest remarks made by the catholic church all point to a new world order that will set in stone a path the world may not be able to recover from."

THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE IS NEAR, IT COMES BEFORE THE 7-SEALED BOOK IS GIVEN TO JESUS

Rev 6:1,2 says, "And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow (toxon, plain fabric, i.e., this man is a religious leader, a man of the cloth); and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."

Rev 13:5-10 says,"And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the First-Trump Rapture has already taken place). And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the Tribulation saints), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints."

A POST ON FIVE DOVES, Re: John B (15 Dec 2012) "To Marilyn Agee....thanks for adding to "Who is He"...... and....Hollywood couldn't even put a dent in a production like this"

First of all...... Happy Birthday!!!!....13 December 1928...... and bless you for all the decades you have dedicated to the study of God's Word and the cheerleader you are at sharing that Word with others.

I feel like I am writing this response to my mom, she was born about two weeks before you on 25 November 1928 but the Lord saw fit to take her home in 1994. Yours and hers has been called "the greatest generation" of our time and I totally agree. It was a time when people had a true moral compass that pointed toward the Lord. A time of black and white concerning right and wrong. Then we went through a period you could call "a sea of gray" where those limits of right and wrong were severely stretched. Now we are in that end time period where the bible says...."they will call wrong right and right wrong" or "evil good and good evil". It has been so sad to witness this transition. I reminisce as I am sure you do about the simpler and more righteous times of the 50's and 60's. Life was good and evil wasn't rampant and escalating as it is today. Again bless you and Happy Birthday.......

As per my article and your response ....... http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2012/johnb1211.htm
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2012/marilyna1214.htm

Thanks for filling in some of the blanks concerning leopard, bear and lion connections. I should have known that because (as I now remember it) when the Roman Catholic Church first came into existence it had just split from the eastern part of the church (Constantinople) and along with the split had taken with it all manors of "pagan worship rituals" from times past. As you mentioned, these pagan rituals came from Greece, Media-Persia but most prominently from Babylon hence we find all the cross connected terminology between Babylon and the Catholic church in Revelation 17 and 18.

When one overlays my article with yours there are a lot of similarities and also a lot of differences. In your interpretation or your discernment of the related text you have taken a world history and multiple rapture approach whereas I have narrowed the meaning of the text specifically to the RCC and one rapture. I believe John the revelator's vision in 90AD concerning parts of Rev.13 and all of Rev.17 and 18 was specifically focused on the RCC and it's evil worldwide dealings since its inception.

Being that I am an x-Catholic and was steeped in the history and the workings of that religion for over forty years, reading Rev.17 and 18 is like a "walk down memory lane" for me. Whereas a non Catholic would or may struggle with the meanings in the text. God through John chose to use Rev.17 to decode Rev.13 so we would know exactly who the first beast...the antichrist would be.

When one simply pre-loads their mind with the thought that now I am going to read Rev.17 and 18 believing that God was exclusively referring to the RCC.......then all the verses become clear. So many people believe that these chapters are referring to New York city or wherever but when you examine and distill the text you get an exclusive picture of the RCC and most importantly the identity of the first beast or the antichrist.

I know from reading this and prior articles you have written that you believe in two raptures. I hope you are right because that would probably cause more people to be saved but I personally don't concur with that theory. I see the one and only rapture happening at the opening of the sixth seal (Rev.6:12) accompanied by a great worldwide earthquake, multiple volcanoes erupting causing the sun to disappear (blacken) and the moon to appear red. Rev.6:14...The sky will recede like a scroll..... maybe opening to some other dimension. While this dimension is open the devil and his bad angels (stars) will be cast down to earth (Rev.6:13) as we the raptured are going up in the heavens to meet the Lord. We are then told in this same section that......."the great day of His wrath has come"........He provided his faithful with an escape as promised.

Marilyn, I have spent 20+ years studying bible prophecy and you have undoubtedly spent 40+ years in the same endeavor. We along with all the others have a rainbow of theories as to how many and when the rapture or raptures will happen. I remember trying to submit an article to a prominent "rapture website"who would not accept it unless I was of the belief that the rapture happened in Rev.4 .......and I don't...... so they would not accept the article.

That being said let me propose a scenario for you and anyone else that may be reading this for everyone's consideration. My belief is that the rapture scenario is as I described above at the opening of the sixth seal followed by the "start" of His wrath or the start of the seven year tribulation period. Just for the sake of whatever....... lets see if this scenario makes sense.

The rapture happens as I described above at the opening of the sixth seal. A much better name for this event is the great resurrection because that's exactly what happens. The dead and we who are alive in Christ are resurrected to meet Jesus in the clouds. Those dead also include millions of Jews who formed the early and mid-term church. So what happens in the next verses? We see 144,000 Jews being hand picked by God as His first fruits from this great resurrection. Then what is the very next thing that we see happen after this in the following verses? Millions of ecstatic people from all over the planet show up in heaven waving palm branches and crying out their adoration and praises to the Lord.

The residents of heaven (the angels, the four living creatures and the elders) are beside themselves in joy as to what the Lord has just accomplished in this enormous resurrection involving untold millions of people being snatched from all areas of the planet then receiving new bodies. This is beyond mind-blowing.....Hollywood couldn't even put a dent in a production like this. The elders, living creatures and angels fall on their faces in complete and utter awe at what they have just witnessed and proclaim.........."Amen!!!!! Blessing and glory and wisdom, Thanksgiving and honor and power and might, Be to our God forever and ever. Amen"

Other that creation and the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus this great (rapture) resurrection event is the greatest most fantastic event to ever cross the pages of Holy Scripture. And it gets some bible "front page headlines and coverage" in Rev.7. .....as well it should.

Now contrast that with what so many try to make you believe that the rapture or great resurrection happens in Rev.4. Do you see untold millions showing up there? No Do you see great fanfare going on there? No Do you see anything there that would make you believe that one of the most important events in biblical history happened there? No

I believe that false teachers abound just as God told us they would to sew error and confusion in parts of scripture that should be simple and flow together...... as does the rapture story in Rev. 6 and 7.

These false teachers have sowed other major falsehoods into the end time scenario as well such as....... 1) The identity of the first and second beasts. Speculation runs rampant for those who refuse to read God's description of these beasts. 2) The reign of the antichrist being 42 months. Scripture in Daniel and Rev. says or implies that the true reign is nearly seven years. This adds a huge confusion factor for one who is trying to timeline or track the 7 year tribulation period. Satan loves to inject lies and confusion.

Excuse me Marilyn for rambling on beyond my response to you but I am sure you know how it is........one thought leads to the next and the next and the next.

It is a pleasure exchanging words with you.......I pray you're in good health and your ministry of the Lord's work continues until that great trumpet blows to take us home. John B

MY REPLY

Thanks for your kind words and "Happy Birthday." I have been studying the Bible at least 52 years. There is so much packed in there with types and layers of meaning, I don't think we can ever figure it all out in a lifetime. I hope the Lord will have classes where we can be taught the things we missed.

> > In your interpretation or your discernment of the related text you have taken a world history and multiple rapture approach whereas I have narrowed the meaning of the text specifically to the RCC and one rapture.

Rev 17:10 says, "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space."

Who do you think the five that have fallen represent? I think the one that is does represent the RCC.

> > I see the one and only rapture happening at the opening of the sixth seal (Rev.6:12) accompanied by a great worldwide earthquake, multiple volcanoes erupting causing the sun to disappear (blacken) and the moon to appear red. Rev.6:14...The sky will recede like a scroll..... maybe opening to some other dimension. While this dimension is open the devil and his bad angels (stars) will be cast down to earth (Rev.6:13) as we the raptured are going up in the heavens to meet the Lord. We are then told in this same section that......."the great day of His wrath has come"........He provided his faithful with an escape as promised.

There are wise virgins and foolish virgins. The Lord comes, takes the wise virgins and leaves the foolish virgins behind. I think the Rapture you see is for the foolish virgins. When do you think the wise virgins get taken? They can't be taken at the same time the foolish virgins are caught up.

Mat 25:6-12 says, "And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the FOOLISH said unto the WISE, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. 9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not."

How do you think the saints out of every nation got to Heaven in Rev. 5:9?

Rev 5:8-10 says, "... saints. 9 And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, on or over) the earth."

Psa 149:1 says, "Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a NEW SONG, and his praise in THE CONGREGATION OF SAINTS."

Psa 149:5 says, "Let the SAINTS be joyful in glory: let them SING aloud upon their beds.

At the first Rapture, all the saints sing the NEW SONG. At the second Rapture, only the 144,000 Israelites can sing the NEW SONG. The 144,000 are called "virgins".

Rev 14:1-5 says, "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, WHICH WERE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God".

The jobs assigned to the two Rapture groups are not the same.
Rev 5:10 says, "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, on or over) the earth."


Rev 7:15 says, "Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them."

> > Now contrast that with what so many try to make you believe that the rapture or great resurrection happens in Rev.4. Do you see untold millions showing up there? No Do you see great fanfare going on there? No Do you see anything there that would make you believe that one of the most important events in biblical history happened there? No

I say, Yes.

Remember, no chapter divisions were in the original. Read Rev 4 and 5 together. Only after this group is safely in Heaven is the first seal broken in Rev 6. We can't skip to the sixth seal before Jesus receives the 7-sealed book. We can't skip to the sixth seal before the first seal is broken, either.

There is reverence before God's Throne in Rev 4 and 5. In those 2 chapters, there are people out of every nation already in Heaven. The 24 elders (12 patriarchs and 12 apostles of Israel) are caught up and seated on their thrones. John is one of them. He heard the "Come up hither" and was caught up. So did the other 12 patriarchs and other 11 disciples. In Heaven, God is seen sitting on his throne. After this, Jesus, as the Lamb of God, is given the seven-sealed book. Those people out of every nation seen in Rev 5:9 are in Heaven before the seals begin to be broken in Rev. 6.

Right now, I am hoping for the First-Trump Rapture on Dec. 27, 2012. Why? My husband flew to Heaven on Dec. 27, 2011. That will be Teveth 14, 5773. The number 14 means deliverance, salvation, release. That sounds good to me. Let's see what happens then. It wasn't Dec. 14, maybe it will be Teveth 14 (Dec. 27). Paul was caught up to Heaven "fourteen years ago" in 2 Cor 12:2-4. Maybe that 14 is a sign. The Greek word harpazo, caught up, is used in I Thess 4:17. It is also used twice in 2 Cor 12:2-4.

2Co 12:2-4 says, "I knew a man in Christ above FOURTEEN years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up (harpazo) to the third heaven (1. Mars, 2. Jupiter, 3. Saturn). 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up (harpazo) into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

Rev 12:5 also uses harpazo. It says, "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron (i.e., Jesus): and her child was caught up (harpazo) unto God, and to his throne." This refers to his going up on Ascension Day.

His throne is on Saturn (Eze. 1:1,26-28).

Eze 1:1 says, "THE HEAVENS WERE OPENED, AND I SAW VISIONS OF GOD."

Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the 4 terrestrial planets, of which Earth was one, v. 15) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone (i.e., sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (verse 1 says God, the only God/man is Jesus) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

The brightness around Heaven is Saturn's ring system. Heaven has a halo. It is also the last of the naked-eye planets that were known to the ancients. According to Josephus, a Pharisee priest, the lampstand stood for the Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. No wonder the left lamp was to be kept burning. It stood for the Sun.

The sapphire is Jesus' birthstone. He was born in September. As a birthstone, sapphire means heaven.

There are some other stones mentioned in Rev 4:1-4. They tell us more about Jesus. He is called the first and the last in both the first and last chapters of The Revelation of Jesus Christ.

Also, it helps if we keep in mind how this miracle play is organized. Rev. 1:19 says, "Write the things which thou hast seen (i.e., before the first Rapture), and the things which are (at the time of the first Rapture), and the things which shall be hereafter" (i.e., hereafter the first Rapture).

Rev 4:1-4 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be HEREAFTER (i.e., hereafter the first Rapture). 2 And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one (i.e., the God/man Jesus) sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (the first stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (the last stone in the breastplate): and THERE WAS A RAINBOW (i.e., Saturn's rings) ROUND ABOUT THE THRONE (i.e., of Jesus, the God/man), in sight like unto an emerald (Judah's stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is the Lion of the Tribe of Judah). 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold."

The elders are our representatives. When they get to Heaven, the wise virgins will get to Heaven.

Rev 4:10,11 says, "The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

Jesus created all things.

Joh 1:1-3 says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Heb 1:1,2 says, "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds".

Rev 5:1 says, "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals." Since Jesus/God is sitting on the throne, a lamb is used to represent Jesus receiving the seven-sealed book.

Rev 5:5-7 says, "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, THE LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne."

Rev 5:8-10 says, "...saints. 9 And THEY sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and HAST redeemed US to God by thy blood out of EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION; 10 And hast (PAST TENSE) made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall (FUTURE TENSE) reign on the earth. 11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands".

That is an important meeting before the throne of God. The saints are out of "every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" and that crowd is surrounded by "ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands" of angels.

> > It is a pleasure exchanging words with you.......I pray you're in good health and your ministry of the Lord's work continues until that great trumpet blows to take us home.

Thanks. I am in good health and now that I have had my cataracts taken off and laser treatments in both eyes, I can see. Since the Lord woke me up in the middle of the night and said, "Be still and know that I am God," I figure he put me in this ministry, and I will finish what he put me here to do. He also put a rectangle of light on Jer 50:2 in a darkened room. It said, "Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not: say, Babylon is taken, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces."

Rev 17:18 says, "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city (i.e., Vatican City), which reigneth over the kings of the earth." It will be moved to Babylon.

Rev 17:14 is talking about the 1st Rapture. It says, "he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."

Rev 18:4 is talking about the 2nd Rapture. It says, "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

Rev 18:21 is the destruction of Babylon. It says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all." The stone is Satan's home on the asteroid called Wormwood in Rev. 8:11.

Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here, (the Satan-possessed False Prophet) that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? (the asteroid Wormwood) 17 Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. 18 He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. 19 And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

I started about midnight. It is now 7:31 AM. I better get some sleep. Write me back and let me know what you think. Agape


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