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INCOMING EMAIL, RE: Prophecy of Meteor strike
Good afternoon. I was just reading your excellent interpretations regarding the Cherubim and Ezekiel's visions and your prophecy regarding the mountain that falls into the sea. I was wondering if you still believe that a meteor will strike the Mediterranean sea and destroy the Gaza strip.
Looking forward to hearing from you
Thanks for your kind words. It took me over 7 years to figure out what Ezekiel saw, and the Lord had to help me. First, I read books in the Seminary Collection from BIOLA's Library in La Mirada, CA, for 7 years, searching for someone that understood Ezekiel's visions in chapters 1 and 10 and the cherubim in Gen. 3:24. It says, "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."
Authors either skipped that or went off on a fanciful trip I knew wasn't true. Finally, I opened my Bible, put my hands on it, and practically in tears, said, "Lord, you'll have to show me."
I started looking up each word in Strong's Concordance. When I got to verse 4, it said, "And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness (nogahh, brilliancy, shining, i.e., sunlight) was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire."
Sunlight! - then the fire infolding itself was the Sun. Wow! that was a breakthrough.
Then verses 15 and 16 said, "Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the EARTH by the living creatures, with his four faces. 16 The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel."
I said to myself, "What kind of a wheel does Earth have? Oh! its orbit." Then, it all began to make sense. The four flying things were the terrestrial planets. That was confirmed when I read Eze 1:5. It said, "Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures (lively things). And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man (adam, red clay)."
Eze 1:6 said, "And every one had four faces (i.e., being globes, they faced 4 directions), and every one had four wings" (they flew, orbiting in 4 directions).
Eze 1:10 says, "As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle." These faces were on the flags put at the cardinal compass points when Israel camped around the Tabernacle.
Josephus, a Pharisee priest, indicated that the lampstand represented the Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.
WHAT IS "IT"?
Verse 13 says, "As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: IT went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning."
"IT," THE "FLAMING SWORD"
Gen 3:24 says, "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east (i.e., it rises in the east) of the garden of Eden Cherubims (planets), and a FLAMING SWORD (Satan's asteroid Wormwood) which turned every way (rotated and orbited), to keep the way of the tree of life."
THE SWORD OF THE LORD
Rev 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone (i.e., like Wormwood), and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."
Jer_12:12 The spoilers are come upon all high places through the wilderness: for the sword of the LORD shall devour from the one end of the land even to the other end of the land: no flesh shall have peace."
A mountain-sized piece of Satan's asteroid Wormwood may break off at the Roche Limit, about 11,000 miles out and impact the NE Mediterranean Sea. The blast and tsunami will wash Go's army out of Israel. Only 1/6th will be left to flee to Siberia.
Eze 39:1-5 says, "Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: 2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel: 3 And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand. 4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. 5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD."
Rev 8:8,9 says, "And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea (i.e., the Mediterranean): and the third part of the sea became blood; 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed."
Jer 47:5-7 says, "Baldness is come upon Gaza; Ashkelon is cut off with the remnant of their valley: how long wilt thou cut thyself? 6 O thou sword of the LORD, how long will it be ere thou be quiet? put up thyself into thy scabbard, rest, and be still. 7 How can it be quiet, seeing the LORD hath given it a charge against Ashkelon, and against the sea shore? there hath he appointed it."
Zep_2:4 says, "For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up."
Zec_9:5 says, "Ashkelon shall see it, and fear; Gaza also shall see it, and be very sorrowful, and Ekron; for her expectation shall be ashamed; and the king shall perish from Gaza, and Ashkelon shall not be inhabited."
Isa_17:1 says, "The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap." Agape
A POST ON FIVE DOVES, RE: Dan Bruce (28 Jan 2013) "Is the United States mentioned in the Bible?"
I am aware that many Bible expositors have included the United States in their interpretations of biblical prophecies, especially when explaining the Book of Revelation, but I haven't found any specific mention of the U.S. in the biblical text. From my studies, it seems that all end-time prophecies in both the Tanakh (Old Testament) and B'rit Hadashah (New Testament) are centered only on the nation and people of Israel, and on events located in the physical land of Israel.
On the other hand, the continuance of the Great Commission says in Acts 1:7-9, "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth" (KJV), expands the scope of the Bible's message beyond Israel to the "uttermost part of the earth," and that is the closest I have come to finding anything outside of the Holy Land mentioned in biblical prophecy. That means that the U.S. is included in biblical prophecy, but only collectively as part of the uttermost parts of the earth.
But. there is much more to the story, as explained in my paper on Academia.edu: Is the United States mentioned in the Bible?
Or, you can read my full exposition on my website at: Is the U.S. mentioned in Bible prophecy?
Thank you for your consideration
I think the USA is alluded to in these verses:
2Sa_7:23 says, "And what one (echad, united) nation (goy, foreign Gentile nation, i.e., the United States) in the earth is like thy people, even like Israel, whom God went to redeem for a people to himself, and to make him a name, and to do for you great things and terrible, for thy land, before thy people, which thou redeemedst to thee from Egypt, from the nations and their gods?"
1Ch_17:21 says, "And what one (echad, united) nation (i.e., the United States) in the earth is like thy people Israel, whom God went to redeem to be his own people, to make thee a name of greatness and terribleness, by driving out nations from before thy people, whom thou hast redeemed out of Egypt?" Agape
INCOMING EMAIL, RE: The Wrath of God
>I can't figure out how anyone could think the Church, the Body of Christ, the Bride of Christ, would ever "suffer the 'wrath' of God".
It is the unbeliever left behind after the Last-Trump Rapture upon whom the wrath of God will come.<
The great tribulations IS NOT THE WRATH OF GOD, the great tribulations is the wrath of Satan working in the hearts of men against the Saints of God.
The great tribulation are for the perfecting of the Saints of God.
Those who LOVE the Lord WILL love the Lord more than life and they will endure until the end.
The Saints will endure even if it means death to them.
At what point in time did the Lord NOT allow His people to suffer and die at the hands of men?
It was Satan working in the heart of Cain to rise up and kill his righteous brother.
It was Satan working in the hearts of Israel that killed all of the prophets. For this reason the Word of the Lord to the Prophets was a burden.
It was Satan working in the hearts of Israel that crucified the Lord of Glory.
It was Satan working in the hearts of those who killed the Apostles.
The Lord has NEVER delivered His people from death who stood up for His Name sake, because it brought Glory to the Lord.
It will be Satan working in the hearts of men inflecting the pain and suffering upon the Saints of God during the great tribulations.
The Saints of God are NOT appointed for the wrath of God.
The Lord took Noah and his family out before the wrath of God was pored out upon the earth.
The Lord took Lot out before He pored out His wrath upon Sodom and Gomorrah.
So shall it be in the end days the Lord will take His people out before He pores out His wrath upon the earth.
The wrath of God will be pored out upon the evil people who inflects the pain, suffering and death upon the people of God, these are the unbelievers.
BUT Babylon the great will be remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.
Babylon means to babble.
So the fierceness of the Wrath of God will be pored out upon all who wrongly divide the Word of truth that are babbling false doctrine and false prophecies.
Every time a person babbles a false prophecy they are using the Lord's name in vain.
> > The Saints of God are NOT appointed for the wrath of God.
> > The Lord took Noah and his family out before the wrath of God was pored out upon the earth.
> > The Lord took Lot out before He pored out His wrath upon Sodom and Gomorrah.
> > So shall it be in the end days the Lord will take His people out before He pores out His wrath upon the earth.
It seems that you are saying the truth without fully realizing what all it involves.
We agree that "The Saints of God are NOT appointed for the wrath of God."
We agree that Noah and Lot were taken out before the wrath of God fell on unbelievers of their days.
What you don't seem to see is that Noah's experience foretold the First-Trump Rapture, and Lot's experience foretold the Last-Trump Rapture. You said,
> > The great tribulation are for the perfecting of the Saints of God.
> > Those who LOVE the Lord WILL love the Lord more than life and they will endure until the end.
> > The Saints will endure even if it means death to them.
> > At what point in time did the Lord NOT allow His people to suffer and die at the hands of men?
NOAH DIDN'T DIE "AT THE HANDS OF MEN", HE WAS A TYPE OF THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE
Noah was safe in the Ark the same day the rain began to fall, just as the wise-virgin Philadelphian saints should be caught up as the Great Tribulation begins.
Mat 25:1-12 says, "Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. 2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: 4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out (lit., going out). 9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and THEY THAT WERE READY WENT IN WITH HIM TO THE MARRIAGE: AND THE DOOR WAS SHUT. 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not."
Luk 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant (i.e., the foolish one) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (i.e., of the Great Tribulation) with the unbelievers."
Mat 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion (i.e., of the Great Tribulation) with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Mat 22:10-14 says, "So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. 11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 14 For MANY ARE CALLED, BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN."
Rev 17:14 says, "the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and THEY THAT ARE WITH HIM ARE CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL."
Mat 24:37-39 says, "But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."
It rained 40 days in the Days of Noah. I think the First-Trump Rapture will be on the 40th day of the Omer, Iyar 25, 5773, SUNDAY, May 5, 2013, ASCENSION DAY AND THE EASTERN ORTHODOX EASTER, RESURRECTION DAY.
1Th 4:16-18 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."
Jer 5:24 says, "Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former (i.e., Jesus born Tishri 1) and the latter (i.e., the Second Advent on Nisan 1), in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest" (i.e., the time of the barley harvest, between Firstfruits and Pentecost).
In the Preview of the Rapture, Rev 1:9-11 says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (Sunday), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last".
Rev 4:1-3 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter (i.e., after the First-Trump Rapture). 2 And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one (Jesus) sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (first stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (last stone in the breastplate): and there was a rainbow (i.e., Saturn's rings) round about the throne (on Saturn), in sight like unto an emerald (Judah's stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah). 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats (thrones): and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders (12 patriarchs and 12 apostles of Israel) sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold."
Rev 5:8-10 says, "...saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."
Song 2:10-15 says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, RISE UP, my love, my fair one, and COME AWAY. 11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain (i.e., the latter rain of Nisan) is over and gone (so the First-Trump Rapture is in Iyar); 12 The flowers (i.e., April showers bring May flowers) appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove, they come in April and leave in October) is heard in our land; 13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. ARISE, MY LOVE, MY FAIR ONE, AND COME AWAY." 14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock (i.e., in Christ), in the secret places (places is not in the original) of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely. 15 Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes".
LOT DIDN'T DIE "AT THE HANDS OF MEN", HE WAS A TYPE OF THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE
Lot was saved on the same day the asteroid destroyed the city of sin. The Last-Trump Rapture will be on the same day Satan's asteroid Wormwood (Rev 8:11) will obliterate the city of Babylon (Rev 6:17; 7:14).
Luk_17:28,29 says, "Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all."
1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."
Rev 10:7 says, "But in the days of the voice of the SEVENTH ANGEL, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished".
Rev 11:12-15 says, "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. AND THEY ASCENDED UP TO HEAVEN in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. 14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. 15 And THE SEVENTH ANGEL SOUNDED; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever." Agape
A REPLY, Re: Prophecy of Meteor strike
Thank you for your quick reply and for expanding upon the subject. Before today I had never heard or read a convincing identification for Ezekiel's wheels within wheels.
And the case which you put forward to identify of the Cherubim and the flaming sword is very detailed and probably true. I just have a few more questions though. If the Cherubim are planets how does the fact the devil was once one work? Also how come there are only 4 Cherubim mentioned in the Bible when there are 9 (or 8, or 10) planets in our solar system alone?
Thanks again. Btw in Psalm 148 (my personal favourite psalm) it.says Praise the Lord, sun and moon and all you stars of light. Very beautiful image.
> > If the Cherubim are planets how does the fact the devil was once one work?
I don't know why Satan is called a cherub, but he is, and that isn't the only odd thing. The four faces on the flags marking the major compass points differ. The face of an ox and the face of a cherub seem interchangeable. Also, in Eze 1, the four terrestrial planets are called cherubim. In Isa 37:16, Jupiter and Uranus are called cherubim too.
Eze 1:10 says, "As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle."
Eze_10:14 says, "And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub (i.e., an ox), and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle."
When they worshipped the golden calf, it was as if they were worshipping Satan, whose symbol seems to be an ox.
Satan is called "the cherub" in Eze 10 and 28, maybe because he lived on a cherubim. He is also called a son of God.
Job 1:6,7 says, "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."
Job 2:1 is similar. It says, "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. 2 And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."
Originally, Satan's planet was Rahab. It is now our Asteroid Belt. Satan is called "the dragon" in Isa 51:9.
Psa_89:10 says, "Thou hast broken Rahab in pieces, as one that is slain; thou hast scattered thine enemies with thy strong arm."
Isa_51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (Christ, Isa 53:1); awake, as in the ancient (qedem, aforetime, past, eternal) days, in the generations of old (i.e., before Adam). Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) Rahab, and wounded the dragon?"
This must have been because Satan failed his test. Since Earth is to be hit with an asteroid, Rahab was probably hit with one too. There are other asteroids outside of the Asteroid Belt.
When Rahab split apart, Mars and Earth seem to have been hit with asteroids. Mars lost its water and has a huge black scar on it. On Earth, the Moon material was dug out of the Pacific Basin.
> > Also how come there are only 4 Cherubim mentioned in the Bible when there are 9 (or 8, or 10) planets in our solar system alone?
The cherubim in Eze 1 are the terrestrial planets, Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars. They have "the likeness of a man" (adam, which means red clay) (Eze 1:5). However, the outer planets Jupiter and Uranus are also called cherubim in Isa 37:16, which I will quote later.
In the days before telescopes, only the planets represented by the lampstand were known. We call them naked-eye planets, and Saturn is the last of those. However, all the planets are covered symbolically in Eze 28:13, and Satan is called "the anointed cherub that covereth" in verse 14.
Eze 28:12-15 says, "Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus (meaning the rock, i.e., Wormwood, Rev 8:11), and say unto him (Satan), Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering (or surroundings), the sardius (Mercury), topaz (Venus), and the diamond (Earth), the beryl (Mars), the onyx (Rahab), and the jasper (Jupiter), the sapphire (Saturn, as in Eze 1:26), the emerald (Uranus), and the carbuncle (Neptune), and gold (Pluto): the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God (i.e., on Saturn, now the third heaven); thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire (i.e., on Rahab). 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee."
Eze 10:1,2 says, "Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament (i.e., expanse of space) that was above the head of the cherubims (terrestrial planets) there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone (sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear), as the appearance of the likeness of a throne (i.e., Christ's throne, the God/man, Eze 1:1, 26). 2 And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under the cherub (i.e., Satan, on the asteroid Wormwood, Rev 8:11), and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight."
Exo_26:1 says, "Moreover thou shalt make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine twined linen, and blue, and purple, and scarlet: with cherubims of cunning work shalt thou make them."
Here the ten planets are called cherubims. When the priests were inside, they could look up and see the cherubims that represented the planets in the sky. The width of fabric that represented the Earth folded over the back corner of the Tabernacle.
Mat_21:42 says, "Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?"
This has a double application. The pyramid capstone represents Christ, and it gives us the year of the Second Advent, because with the capstone installed, it will be 5776 inches tall.
Isa_37:16 O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims (i.e., on Saturn, between Jupiter and Uranus), thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth." Agape
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