Pro and Con 1681

Posted 1-29-2013

GORGEOUS SEA ANEMONE AND PEACH FISH; GOD LOVES PRETTY THINGS

A SEAT FOR THE POPE AT KING DAVID'S TOMB

By Giulio Meotti, Feb 1, 2013 http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/12814#.UQvxgr9EEW4 Israel seems to have sold Jerusalem to the Vatican.

An historic agreement has been drafted between Israel and the Vatican. The Israeli authorities have granted the Pope an official seat in the room where the Last Supper is believed to have taken place, on Mount Zion in Jerusalem, and where David and Solomon, Jewish kings of Judea, are considered by some researchers, to also be buried. --- http://www.logosapologia.org/?p=4363 The Pope has said, "This creative power of the divine Word ('Parola') is concentrated in Jesus Christ, the Word ('Verbo') made flesh, and also passes through his human words, which are the true 'sky' that orients the thought and path of man on earth. For this reason JESUS DOES NOT DESCRIBE THE END OF THE WORLD and when he uses apocalyptic images he does not conduct himself like a 'visionary.' On the contrary, he wants to take away the curiosity of his disciples in every age about dates and predictions and wishes instead to give them a key to a deep, essential reading, and above all to indicate the right path to take, today and tomorrow, to enter into eternal life. Everything passes - the Lord tells us - but God's Word does not change, and before this Word each of us is responsible for his CONDUCT. IT IS ON THIS BASIS THAT WE WILL BE JUDGED." (emphasis mine)

MY COMMENTS

That is why there are Protestants. Mat 24:3,4 says, "And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of THE END OF THE WORLD? And Jesus answered..."

Isa 64:6 says, "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away."

Rom 3:23-28 says, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."

Rom_11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Rom 4:2-5 says, "For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

Gal_2:21 says, "I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."

Gal_5:4 says, "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace."

Eph_2:5 says, "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved".

Eph_2:8 says, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God".

Joh_3:17 says, "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

Act_4:12 says, "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

Act 16:30-33 says, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house (oikos, family). 32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway."

Rom_10:9 says, "if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

WHAT ARE "THE DEPTHS OF SATAN"?

Rev 2:18-25 says, "And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira (meaning thoroughly married) write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication (i.e., joining together); and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I WILL GIVE UNTO EVERY ONE OF YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR WORKS. 24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known THE DEPTHS OF SATAN, AS THEY SPEAK; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come."

WHO WAS JEZEBEL?

Jezebel (meaning not exalted) was the power behind the throne of Ahab. She was associated with false prophets, allowed temples of Baal to operate in Israel, had the prophets of the Lord killed, and wanted to kill Elijah (who will come back during the Great Tribulation and be killed, resurrected and seen ascending to heaven).

ARE BELIEVERS SAVED OR "BEING SAVED"?

Catholic Online: http://www.catholic.org/featured/headline.php?ID=105
"Whether you're St. Paul, Pope John Paul II, or living in St. Paul, the reality is the same: We are BEING SAVED because grace has not yet fully transformed every area of our mind, emotions, desires, and will into the mind, emotions, desires, and will of Christ. (emphasis mine)

"And when this transformation takes place, what will we be? The body of Christ."...

"FINALLY, SALVATION IS A FUTURE EVENT. After the veil of this life is ripped in two, we shall be fully liberated to become one, but not all at once. In God's mysterious and progressive plan, our nuptial salvation is completed only with the resurrection of the body. It is then that body and soul will return to perfect unity, and in this perfect unity, we will enter into perfect unity with the Trinity. The two will truly and definitively become one—body and soul, God and man, man and neighbor.

"Then, when we confront that old question: 'Are you saved?' we can answer 'Finally!'"

When is ever enough? What if we die first?

It is actually simpler than that.

Rom_10:9 says, "if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

"ONCE FOR ALL"

Heb 10:8-10 says, "Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE FOR ALL."

INCOMING EMAIL

Hmmm this description seems to imply winged figures rather than planets. Unless the wings outstretched to the wall indicates their orbit.

*[[1Ki 6:23-29]] HNV* In the oracle he made two cherubim of olive wood, each ten cubits high. v 24 Five cubits was the one wing of the cherub, and five cubits the other wing of the cherub: from the uttermost part of the one wing to the uttermost part of the other were ten cubits. v 25 The other cherub was ten cubits: both the cherubim were of one measure and one form. v 26 The height of the one cherub was ten cubits, and so was it of the other cherub. v 27 He set the cherubim within the inner house; and the wings of the cherubim were stretched out, so that the wing of the one touched the one wall, and the wing of the other cherub touched the other wall; and their wings touched one another in the middle of the house. v 28 He overlaid the cherubim with gold. v 29 He carved all the walls of the house around with carved figures of cherubim and palm trees and open flowers, inside and outside.

On Jan 30, 2013 8:38 AM, "David Downie" wrote:

Wow. Such a wealth of knowledge. It certainly seems to be making sense.

Although Cherub is the singular of Cherubim same as Seraph is the singular of Seraphim.

I have been looking into the Cherubim more closely now and more questions come lol.

God is depicted as riding a Cherub and it is also referred to as His chariot. And the Cherubim were on the ark of the covenant with their wings outstretched and God's presence dwelling between them.

Can you shed any light on those passages? God bless

MY REPLY

> > Wow. Such a wealth of knowledge. It certainly seems to be making sense.

I have studied the Bible as hard as I can go ever since 1960. The Lord had us move from Oak Ridge, TN to La Mirada, CA just before BIOLA built their La Mirada Campus within bike-riding distance of our house. Ed and I married while I was a senior in High School and he was in his first year at the Univ. of Tennessee. After I graduated, I worked to make ends meet while he got his degree from college. But, if I had been able to choose, I would have much rather had a library card from BIOLA than to study any subject in college. The Lord knew what he was doing, and I couldn’t have had a better husband than Ed. He had prayed for a Christian wife, and he got me. He supported me all the way, even when I studied after supper instead of listening to TV with him. I read about an 18" stack of books from BIOLA's Seminary Collection every week for 7 years.

> > Hmmm this description seems to imply winged figures rather than planets. Unless the wings outstretched to the wall indicates their orbit. *[[1Ki 6:23-29]]

1Ki 6:20 says, "And the oracle in the forepart was twenty cubits in length, and twenty cubits in breadth, and twenty cubits in the height thereof"

It represents Heaven. Of the heavenly Jerusalem Rev 21:16 says, "The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal." It is a sphere that would fit into a box that had equal length, breadth and height.

Outside the Temple, the altar and brazen sea represented Earth, a sphere whose surface is 70% water. The Holy Place in the Temple represented 2 spheres, Mars and Jupiter. The Holy of Holies represented the third heaven, Saturn.

2Co 12:2-4 says, "I knew a man (Paul himself, he didn't want to boast) in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the THIRD HEAVEN. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up into PARADISE, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

The three heavens are Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, where Jesus' throne is located.

1Ki 6:23-28 says, "And within the oracle (debir, innermost part of the sanctuary, from dabar, to arrange, talk, teach, tell, declare, rehearse) he made two cherubims of olive tree, each ten cubits high. 24 And five cubits was the one wing of the cherub, and five cubits the other wing of the cherub: from the uttermost part of the one wing unto the uttermost part of the other were ten cubits. 25 And the other cherub was ten cubits: both the cherubims were of one measure and one size. 26 The height of the one cherub was ten cubits, and so was it of the other cherub. 27 And he set the cherubims within the inner house: and they stretched forth the wings of the cherubims, so that the wing of the one touched the one wall, and the wing of the other cherub touched the other wall; and their wings touched one another in the midst of the house. 28 And he overlaid the cherubims with gold."

As in Ezekiel's visions, wings merely mean that they can fly. The mercy-seat represents the Lord's throne on Saturn, a flying sphere.

> > Although Cherub is the singular of Cherubim same as Seraph is the singular of Seraphim.

To us, yes. And yet we find the translators used the word cherubims. Strong's says, kerub, Of uncertain derivation; a cherub or imaginary figure: - cherub, [plural] cherubims."

Eze 10:1,2 says, "Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament (i.e., expanse of space) that was above the head of the cherubims there appeared over them as it were (i.e., as if it were) a sapphire stone (sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear), as the appearance of the likeness (symbolic language) of a throne (i.e., the throne of the only God/man, Jesus, Eze 1:1,26). 2 And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under the cherub (i.e., Satan, who now lives on the asteroid Wormwood, Rev 8:11, Isa 22:16-19), and fill thine hand with coals of fire (i.e., asteroids) from between the cherubims (planets), and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight."

Rev 8:10,11 says, "And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood".

Isa 22:16-19 says," What hast thou here? (Babylon III) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here (i.e., at Babylon III), as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? (i.e., Wormwood) 17 Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. 18 He will surely violently turn and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country (Iraq, not tiny Israel): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. 19 And I will drive thee from thy station (i.e., it's orbit in the sky), and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

Exo_25:19 says, "And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof" (because the throne of Christ is on a sphere that flies).

> > God is depicted as riding a Cherub and it is also referred to as His chariot. And the Cherubim were on the ark of the covenant with their wings outstretched and God's presence dwelling between them.

> > Can you shed any light on those passages?

Yes. We have to think symbolically. These things represent something real.

Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (i.e., expanse of space) that was over their heads was the likeness (symbolical language) of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone (sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (the only God/man, Jesus Christ) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn has amber on it), as the appearance of fire (i.e., like a lighted lamp on the lampstand) round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire (i.e., like a lighted lamp in the sky), and it had brightness round about (i.e., Saturn's rings). 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD." Heaven has a halo.

2Sa_22:10,11 says, "He bowed (natah, spread out) the heavens also (i.e., maybe when Rahab was split into pieces, the terrestrial group were separated from the giant planets even more than before), and came down; and darkness was under his feet. 11 And he (the LORD) rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind."

All planets fly on the wings of the wind.

Psa_18:10 also says, "And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind." The Earth flies on the wings of the wind too. Its average velocity is an amazing 67,108 mph.

Psa_104:3 says, "Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters (maybe the frozen ice crystals in the rings of Saturn, also called the sea of glass, i.e., ice crystals): who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind".

Rev_4:6-10 says, "And before (enopion, in the presence of) the throne (i.e., on Saturn) there was a sea of glass (i.e., Saturn's ring system) like unto crystal (krustallos, ice crystals): and in the midst of the throne (i.e., on Saturn), and round about the throne, were four beasts (i.e., planets) full (gemo, to swell out) of eyes (i.e., full orbs, spheres) before and behind (i.e., the globes Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune). 7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle (i.e., they face 4 directions, as on the flags placed at the compass points when Israel camped around the Tabernacle). 8 And the four beasts had each of them SIX WINGS about him (i.e., they fly); and they were full of eyes (full orbs, i.e., they are globes) within: and they rest not day and night, saying, HOLY, HOLY, HOLY, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. 9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever, 10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne".

Stars and planets are said to sing.

Job 38:4-11 says, "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? 8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? 9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it, 10 And brake up for it my decreed place (i.e., the Pacific Basin, from which he blasted out the material making up our Moon), and set bars and doors, 11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?"

Rev_15:2 says, "And I saw as it were (i.e., as if it were) a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them (i.e., the Tribulation saints) that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass (i.e., on Saturn's rings), having the harps of God."

Isa 6:1-9 says, "In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne (i.e., on Saturn, Eze 1:1,26), high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. 2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had SIX WINGS; with twain he covered his face (i.e., the upper half), and with twain he covered his feet (i.e., the lower half), and with twain he did fly. 3 And one cried unto another, and said, HOLY, HOLY, HOLY, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory."4 And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke. 5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts (i.e., Christ, Isa 44:6). 6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar: 7 And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged. 8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me. (I echoed this, when I found it.) 9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not."

These symbolic flying things are hard enough for us to understand, but were next to impossible for those that did not have telescopes. These clues were planted there for us to figure out today.

Cherubim usually depict the terrestrial inner planets, and seraphim the giant outer planets. The two groups are now separated by the Asteroid Belt.

Seraphim means burners. The planets look like lighted lamps in the night sky. No wonder the lampstand stood for the Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, as Josephus revealed. These are the naked-eye planets. Agape

HIS REPLY

Thank you again for sharing your revelations with me. You have really blessed me with your knowledge of the scriptures. I will certainly think differently when I read C.S Lewis' Out of the silent series. And when I consider the heavens I will think of God's throne.

Thanks again, blessings

MY REPLY

You're welcome. I enjoy sharing what I have learned, especially things that are not commonly understood. I didn't find all this out by reading books at BIOLA, but they gave me the background I needed to build on. Agape

MY REPLY TO AN EMAIL (OMITTED)

> > ("4 mths, THEN the Harvest"....

Joh_4:35: "Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest."

Consider this. Haggai 2:15, 18,19 says, "And now, I pray you, consider from this day and upward, from before a stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of the LORD" (i.e., this fits today)...

Keep in mind that 1Co_3:11 says, "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ."

Hag 2:18,19 says, "Consider (sum labab, take it to heart) now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month (Kislev 24), even from the day that the foundation (Jesus Christ) of the LORD'S temple was laid (i.e., conceived), consider it. 19 Is the seed (Jesus, Gen 3:15) yet in the barn? (a saying, meaning is she pregnant) yea (YES, i.e., Jesus was conceived on Kislev 24), as yet the vine (Jesus), and the fig tree (Israel), and the pomegranate (meaning the upright), and the olive tree (Israel with the Gentiles grafted in), hath not brought forth (NASA, lifted up, i.e., been raptured): from this day will I bless you."

Add the 4 months, Teveth, Shevat, Adar and Nisan. Then, on Ascension Day, Iyar 25, Sunday, May 5, may come the Rapture. Jesus acted ascension out for us. We are the Body of Christ, and the body of Christ ascended on Iyar 25. Agape

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