Pro and Con 1691

Posted 3-20-13

ANOTHER OF GOD'S WONDERS, YELLOW AND WHITE BIRDS OF PARADISE

MY REPLY TO A POST ON FIVE DOVES

Re: Renee M (25 Feb 2013)
"John the Baptist and the 7th day of Unleavened Bread (Red Sea crossing)"

> > Jesus is coming 2015
> > When is the Rapture?
> > Why I believe the first Rapture of the Church might take place March 31 / April 1, 2013.
> > http://jesusiscoming2015.webs.com/whenistherapture.htm

I clicked on the first URL you included at the bottom of your post. Here is some food for thought.

> > The 7-year timeline (2009 to 2016) that represents the 7000-year plan of God

I agree with 2009 to 2016.

I think the Tribulation began at Pentecost, May 29, 2009, and that Christ will return on the first day of the Jubilee and Regnal years, Nisan 1, 5776, Sat. April 9, 2016. A Jubilee Year has to be preceeded by a Sabbatic Year, and 5775 is Sabbatic. April 9, 30 AD was the date of the Resurrection. It looks like Jesus will return two times on April 9, in 30 AD on the Julian Calendar and in 2016 on the Gregorian Calendar.

> > March 31 / April 1, 2013 Rapture? A look at the 7th day of Unleavened
> > Bread (parts 1-3)

You are going by the Western date for Easter. I am going by the Eastern Orthodox date for Easter. They use the Julian Calendar that was used in 30 AD.

I am hoping for the First-Trump Rapture on May 5, 2013, SUNDAY, Iyar 25, 5773. That day is both Ascension Day and the Eastern Orthodox Easter.

The Holy Fire at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem appears shortly after 2 PM on Holy Saturday, the day before Easter figured on the Julian Calendar which was in use in 30 AD. One year, someone changed the date and the Holy Fire did not appear. They went back to using the old Julian Calendar, and the Holy Fire has appeared every year since. It looks like the Lord is trying to tell us that the Eastern Orthodox Easter is the one we should go by. The miracle of the Holy Fire seems to appear one time each year to keep us correctly oriented.

It looks like Jesus acted out the Rapture on Ascension Day in 30 AD.

Job 11:6 says, "the secrets of wisdom, that they are double to that which is!"

Ecc_3:15 says, "that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past."

Acts 1:9-11 says, "And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men (probably Moses and Elijah) stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, SHALL SO COME IN LIKE MANNER AS YE HAVE SEEN HIM GO INTO HEAVEN."

Moses and Elijah probably will come to Earth at the time of the First-Trump Rapture. They were present at the Transfiguration.

Luk 9:28-31 says, "And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray. 29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. 30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: 31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem."

The Revelation of Jesus Christ is like a miracle play. Like our directors, Jesus gave us a Preview.

In the Preview of the Rapture, Rev 1:9-11 says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion IN TRIBULATION, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos (meaning mortal), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (i.e., SUNDAY), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last".

At this time, to me, it looks like the First-Trump Rapture will be on the Lord's Day, Sunday, May 5, and the Last-Trump Rapture will be on the Day of the Lord, Monday, Sept. 14, 2015.

Rev 1:12-18 is a scene in Heaven after the Rapture. John said, "And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks (i.e., the 7 churches); 13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. 17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

> > "The final year from October 2015 to October 2016 is the Year of
> > Jubilee, when Christ returns in the fall of 2015 to set up His Kingdom.

I think the Jubilee Year is announced on the Day of Atonement, then begins the next Nisan 1, which is the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee years.

I expect Christ to return on Nisan 1, 5776, Sat. April 9, 2016. April 9 will be the anniversary of the Feast of Firstfruits when Jesus was resurrected on April 9, 30 AD. That will be 7 months after the Day of God's Wrath on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015.

Eze 39:11-13 says, "And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog. 12 And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. 13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD."

The day the Lord will be glorified is the day of the Second Advent. For there to be 7 months between Tishri 1 and the following Nisan 1, that year must be a leap year, and 5776 is a leap year.

> > I believe a second Rapture, or the "main harvest" rapture, will take
> > place on the 7th day of Tabernacles in 2013.

I think the First-Trump Rapture will probably be on Ascension Day and the Eastern Orthodox Easter, SUNDAY, May 5, 2013.

I think the Last-Trump Rapture will probably be on the Feast of Trumpets, MONDAY, Sept. 14, 2015, the Day of God's Wrath.

Rev 6:17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Then Rev 7:14 says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

> > I believe that both the 7th day of Tabernacles and the 7th day of
> > Unleavened Bread are Rapture dates. They are mirror images of each
> > other. They both represent the walls of Jericho falling and the people
> > ascending up at the sound of the last trumpet. They both represent
> > leaving this world (Egypt), or our "tents", and going to our Promised
> > Land, our home with the Lord. They are mirror images of each other, both
> > on the 15 to the 21st day of the "first" month. The 7th day of
> > Unleavened Bread is for the "firstfruits" of the harvest and the 7th day
> > of Tabernacles is for the main harvest event. The Jewish people, as a
> > whole, will still refuse their Messiah on this day, but those who do
> > come to faith in Him, and those Gentiles who are left-behind and repent
> > after the firstfruits rapture, will be able to see Him, when they cry,
> > "Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord!" This is only said on
> > the 7th day of the Feast of Tabernacles, and Jesus said in Matthew
> > 23:39 - "I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'How
> > blessed is the one who comes in the name of the Lord!'"

> > I think that within 2 days of the 7th day of Tabernacles, the earth will
> > begin to rotate faster and the days will become 16 hours long (4th
> > trumpet judgment of Revelation) for the final 720 days of tribulation
> > (Daniel divides the tribulation into "time, times, and half a time", or
> > 360, 720, and 180 days). I believe that the 6 Seals of Revelation will
> > open during this 180-day period and then the Trumpet judgments will
> > begin after the main harvest rapture on the 7th day of Tabernacles
> > (September 25, 2013). The wrath of God will begin as never before as the
> > trumpet judgments begin. The 1260 days (180 + 1080 shortened days) would
> > end on the Feast of Trumpets 2015, at the sound of the last trumpet....

I don't think the length of the day will change until the great and terrible Day of the Lord. That will be Jesus' Long Day, of which Joshua's Long Day was a type. The Earth will get hit by two asteroids (Rev 8:8-11), causing this globe to be turned upside down. It will take awhile for Earth to regain its equilibrium.

Isa_24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof."

> > The Year of Jubilee (fall of 2015 to fall of 2016) represents the 1000
> > year Millennium, when Christ and His Bride are ruling and reigning on earth....

I think the Jubilee starts on Nisan 1, 5776, Sat. April 9, 2016, but the Millennium will start on the preceding Feast of Trumpets, the Day of God's Wrath, Mon. Sept 14, 2015. Jesus will be seated at the Judgment Seat of Christ during the silence on Earth and in Heaven.

Hab_2:20 says, "But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him."

Rev 8:1 says, "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour."

> > Ruth 3:2 Is not Boaz, with whose servant girls you have been, a kinsman
> > of ours? Tonight he will be winnowing barley on the threshing floor.

I think we are the barley harvest (Ascension Day fits), and the Tribulation saints are the wheat harvest (the Feast of Trumpets fits).

> > Jeremiah 51:33 This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says:

> > "Daughter Babylon is like a threshing floor
at the time it is trampled; the time to harvest her will soon come."...

Trampling fits the wheat harvest. Barley is winnowed, thrown up for the wind to carry away the chaff.

> > Matthew 3:11-12 "I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me
> > comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to
> > carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. His winnowing
> > fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering
> > his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire."...

> > April 11, 2012, was the middle point of the final 7 prophetic years that
> > began on October 29, 2008, and end on the Day of Atonement on September 23, 2015....

I think the Tribulation will actually last 2300 days, from May 29, 2009 (Pentecost) to the Feast of Trumpets, Sept 14, 2015.

Dan 8:13,14 says, "Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

> > Most likely, the first 180 days of the Great Tribulation will be normal
> > 24-hour days, and then something will hit the earth or cause the earth
> > to spin much faster on September 26, 2013, on the last day of the Feast
> > of Tabernacles....

I don't expect anything to shorten the length of days, but the Great Tribulation will be shortened or no flesh would be saved. There will, however, be a long day when the asteroids hit the Earth on the Day of God's Wrath. Earth will be turned upside down on that day.

Isa_24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof."

> > The fourth trumpet judgment of Revelation mentions that 1/3 of the day
> > is without light and also 1/3 of the night. The only way that I can
> > think of for 1/3 of the day and night to be without light is if the days
> > are 16 hours long. I believe the Lord is going to fit 1260 days into
> > just 2 ½ years by shortening the length of the day, but still causing
> > the earth to take as long to rotate around the sun. This means that a
> > prophetic year of 360 days will become 540 days. Most likely, the first
> > 180 days of the Great Tribulation will be normal 24-hour days, and then
> > something will hit the earth or cause the earth to spin much faster on
> > September 26, 2013, on the last day of the Feast of Tabernacles. The
> > final 720 days of the Great Tribulation would then become 1080 days in
> > length, accounting for the 1260 days mentioned in Revelation. This could
> > be why Daniel breaks it down to say "time, times, and half a time." The
> > half of a time would come first (180 days), followed by the times (720
> > days), which ends up being an extra time (360 days) because of the
> > increased speed in the earth's rotation. This is just my theory; only
> > the Lord knows exactly how the prophecies will be fulfilled. If this
> > theory is correct, there could be a second "main harvest" rapture on the
> > 7th day of Tabernacles in 2013, before the trumpet judgments begin and
> > God's wrath comes in full measure upon the earth....

The smoke from the asteroid impacts will cause the dark day.

> > King Xerxes replaced his queen with his new bride, Queen Esther. He
> > married her on the first day of the 4th month from the Jewish New Year,
> > which would later become the 7th day of the Feast of Hanukkah. I believe
> > this is showing that the Lord instituted a second Feast of Tabernacles
> > for the Jews 200 years before Jesus died on the cross, and is again
> > instituting a new second Feast of Tabernacles for the "Gentiles" using
> > the Gentile calendar. The first day of the fourth month of the Gentile
> > New Year is April 1, 2013, the 7th day of Unleavened Bread. This is the
> > same day that the walls of Jericho fell and the Israelites crossed the
> > Red Sea. This is still the true "Feast of Firstfruits" in America (March
> > 31, 2013), also called "Resurrection Sunday".

I kind of shy away from April Fool's Day.

> > There is another QUEEN talked about in Revelation, who is removed from
> > her throne. She also did not display her beauty to the world. Read
> > Jeremiah 50 and then read this about Babylon America:

> > Revelation 18:
> > After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great
> > authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor. With a mighty
> > voice he shouted:

> > "'Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!'
She has become a dwelling for demons...

> > Then I heard another voice from heaven say:

> > "'Come out of her, my people,'
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
for her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes.
Give back to her as she has given;
pay her back double for what she has done.

That "Come out of her, my people" is the Last-Trump Rapture. It takes place on the Day of God's Wrath, just before his wrath hits Earth (Rev 6:17;7:14).

> > Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone > > and threw it into the sea, and said:

> > "With such violence the great city of Babylon will be thrown down,
never to be found again.

I think the large stone is the asteroid Wormwood, Satan's home at the present time.

Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (i.e., Wormwood, Rev 8:11)? 17 Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. 18 He will surely violently turn and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. 19 And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

Isa 51:9 Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) Rahab (Satan's planet, now our Asteroid Belt), and wounded the dragon?"

> > "Come, my people, enter you into your chambers, and shut your doors
> > about you: HIDE YOURSELF as it were for a little moment, UNTIL THE WRATH
> > is over. For, behold, the LORD comes out of his place TO PUNISH THE
> > INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH FOR THEIR INIQUITY: the earth also shall
> > disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain" (Isaiah 26:20,21).

> > Psalm 27:5 tells us WHERE He hides us:

> > "For IN THE TIME OF TROUBLE HE SHALL HIDE ME IN HIS TABERNACLE
> > (besukkoh): IN THE SECRET PLACE of his tabernacle SHALL HE HIDE ME; he
> > shall set me up UPON A ROCK". When my father and my mother forsake me,
> > then the LORD will TAKE ME UP then shall the Lord GATHER and REMOVE me"
> > (Psalm 27:10).

Psa_27:5 (KJV) says, "For in the time of trouble (i.e., Day of God's Wrath) he shall hide me in his pavilion (i.e., Heaven): in THE SECRET OF HIS TABERNACLE SHALL HE HIDE ME; he shall set me up upon a rock" (i.e., Saturn).

The SECRET OF HIS TABERNACLE is not well known. I think it is Heaven, Saturn, the 3rd Heaven that Paul was caught up to. The altar set on the Earth and the Brasen Sea represented Earth with its oceans. The two cubes in the Holy Place represented Mercury and Mars. The cube called the Holy of Holies represented the third Heaven, Saturn.

A cube has the same dimensions as a globe that will fit in that box. The length, breadth and height of it are equal.

In 2Co 12:2-4, Paul said, "I knew a man (Paul himself, he didn't want to boast) in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the THIRD HEAVEN (1. Mars, 2. Jupiter, 3, Saturn). 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up into PARADISE, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

Even New Jerusalem is a globe. The length, breadth and height of it are equal.

Rev 21:16 says, "And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal."

> > Nuclear War and the Feast of Tabernacles

I don't think we will have a nuclear war. What will destroy Gog's army is an asteroid impact in the NE Mediterranean Sea. After this, Damascus will cease to be a city. A second asteroid impact will destroy Babylon (Rev 8:8-11, Rev 18:21).

> > Fire offerings were presented to the Lord on everyday of the Feast of
> > Tabernacles. Zechariah prophesied about a "fire offering" and described
> > it as a nuclear missile in the book of Zechariah 5:1-9: I, Zechariah,
> > looked up and saw a flying scroll in the sky. And the angel that was
> > showing me these things said, "What do you see?" I answered, "I see a
> > flying scroll; 34.3 feet long, and 5.5 feet in diameter." Then he said,
> > "This is the curse that will afflict the entire land of Israel. Every
> > one that steals and every one that swears falsely by my name will be
> > destroyed by it. And I will bring it forth, says YHWH T'zavaot. This
> > flying scroll that you see, will completely consume the timbers and
> > stones of the house of the thief, and he that swears falsely by my name.“
> > Then the angel said, "Look up and see what this flying scroll is." And I
> > responded, "What is it?" And he said,

> > "This is a container that flies." He said, "Furthermore, this is their
> > appearance throughout the whole earth." Then I saw a mass of lead and a
> > fire offering, as it was lifted up and secured in the container. And he
> > said, "The fire that you see being put in the container, is an evil fire
> > offering." Then he secured the fire offering in the container and put
> > the lead mass in the opening. Then I looked up and saw as two fires came
> > out of the container, and the fires caused the wind to lift the
> > container by its 'stork like' wings, from the earth into the sky.

I think the flying rolling thing in the sky is Satan's asteroid Wormwood. It
probably will break in two at the Roche Limit, 11,000 miles out. The mountain - sized piece will hit the Mediterranean Sea. The other piece will hit Babylon.

Of the Sword of the Lord, Eze 21:30 says, "Shall I cause it to return into his sheath? I will judge thee in the place where thou wast created, in the land of thy nativity."

> > I believe that the 7th Trumpet is the Rapture of the Church and is
> > likely blown at the same time as the seal and trumpet judgments in
> > Revelation begin to open.

The church is caught up in Rev. 4:1. Rev 5:9 shows that these are out of every nation on Earth. The first Rapture takes place before Jesus is given the seven-sealed book. The first seal is broken in Rev 6. Therefore, the Rapture of the Church is impossible at the time of the 7th Trumpet.

Revelation is arranged like circle clocks. Imagine putting a rubber band around 7 Coke cans. Six cans will arrange themselves around the central 7th. Draw circles like the lids on paper. Label the outer circles 1 through 6 seals, the center can would be 7, but don't label it inside the circle. Instead, draw a smaller circle clock in the 7th seal. Label the 6 outer circles 6 trumpets, with the center circle representing the 7th trumpet. In the 7th trumpet, draw another circle clock. Label these bowls or vials of God's Wrath.

It can then be seen that the seals cannot happen at the time of the trumpets. The trumpets come out of the 7th seal.

Rev 8:1,2 says, "And when he had opened the SEVENTH SEAL, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given SEVEN TRUMPETS." Agape

A POST ON FIVE DOVES

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2013/tedp226.htm
Dear Ted & Fellow Watchers:
With the 2014 - 2015 tetrads and a jubilee cycle proclamation, what happens after Nisan 1, 2016 - Nisan 1, 2017? Pineman

MY REPLY

I think the Second Advent will be Nisan 1, 2016. Armageddon will follow. Then the Israelites will be given their inherited land. Agape

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