Pro and Con 1700

Posted 4-7-13

ANOTHER OF GOD'S WONDERS, A BLUE-THROATED BARBET

MY REPLY TO A POST ON FIVE DOVES

> > Ever since I had my rapture on a Thursday dream I have been watching a little closer on Thursdays.

WHY I NOW EXPECT THE RAPTURE ON SUNDAY

I have considered Thursdays too, because a couple of you Doves thought the Rapture would be on Thursday. However, now I have settled on Sunday, because Scripture is 100% reliable.

The last book in the Bible, the script of the miracle play, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" is specifically written to us when the Rapture is at hand.

It is at hand in both the first and last chapters.

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."

Rev 22:10 says, "Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand."

How close is "at hand"? maybe ten days before the Rapture. Rev 2:10 says, "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and YE SHALL HAVE TRIBULATION TEN DAYS: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."

This script is written for us. Now is when we should thoughtfully reread The Revelation of Jesus Christ. It applies to our days, just before the First-Trump Rapture takes place. The messages to the 7 churches are to us today. Jesus grabbed some history of each church group, but in the end it applies to the churches today. The next big thing on the agenda is the Rapture of Rev 4:1. We had better take Jesus' Monologue to heart. The churches of Smyrna and Philadelphia have no condemnation listed. Sardis and Laodicea, have no commendation listed.

In the Preview, we saw Jesus among the candlesticks, i.e., the church groups, in Heaven. He had 7 stars still in his hand.

In Rev 2:1, Jesus says, "Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus (meaning the desired one) write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks". That is right after the Preview of the Rapture.

In Jesus' monologue to the 7 churches, we have two extremes, either the clergy rule or the people rule.

And what do you know, in 2:6, Jesus says, "But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate." The Nicolaitans organize the church into clergy and laity, and The Lord hates it. Mat_23:9 says, "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." The ones that call the clergy father are often the ones that do not read their Bibles very much. They trust the clergy to tell them what it means. They may pray to Mary, as if she was the mother of God. God has no mother. God is eternal. He was in Jesus, he was not just Jesus.

Act_17:28 says, "For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring."

Joh_1:18 says, "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." In the Old Testament, the Son of God was the angel of the Lord.

1Jn_4:12 says, "No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us"

Isa 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH King of Israel), and I am the last (YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer); and beside me there is no God."

To Smyrna (meaning myrrh, death), he said, "I know thy works, and TRIBULATION, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. 10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have TRIBULATION TEN DAYS: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Rev 2:9,10)

To Pergamos (meaning mixed marriage), he also said, "So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, WHICH THING I HATE" (Rev 2:15).

And to the Nicolaitans in Thyatira (meaning Semiramis, the wife of Nimrod, the Pontifex Maximus of the Tower of Babel), he said, "These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass (symbol of a curse); 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first (because of the rule of the beast and false prophet). 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel (i.e., like Jezebel, the wife of Ahab, that worshipped Baal), which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space (i.e., first half of the Tribulation) to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her (i.e., join with her) into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known THE DEPTHS OF SATAN, AS THEY SPEAK; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come" (Rev 2:19-25).

To Sardis (meaning remnant), he said, "If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." (Rev 3:3).

To Philadelphia (meaning brotherly love), in Rev 3:8, he said, "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door (i.e., the symbol of the Rapture), and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name." These are the wise virgins.

To Laodicea (meaning people rule), he said, " So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth" (Rev 3:16). These are the foolish virgins. (meaning of names: Chuck Missler, at: http://www.khouse.org/articles/1993/32/)

The whole MIRACLE PLAY, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ," is centered around the Rapture. Rev 1:19 says, "Write the things which thou hast seen (i.e., before the Rapture), and the things which are (at the time of the Rapture), and the things which shall be hereafter" (after the Rapture).

Rev 4:1 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter." The rest of the play takes place after the First-Trump Rapture, after Jesus is given the seven-sealed book. No seals have been broken yet. They start to be broken after Rev 4/5.

We are nearing Mid-Trib now. That is when Satan and his fallen angels will be cast out of Heaven. I think they will be cast out on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, MID-TRIB, the anniversary of the day the Battle of Midway began. According to Wikipedia, that was "the most important naval battle of the Pacific Campaign of World War II". It was fought between June 4 and 7, 1942.

April 9, 2016, Nisan 1, 5776, Second Advent, 1st day of the Regnal and Jubilee Years, day the sanctuary will be cleansed (Eze 45:18) Less 2300 days (Dan 8:13,14) = Tues. Dec. 22, 2009 (beginning of Tribulation)

Dec 22, 2009 + 1260 days (1st half of the Tribulation) = Tue. June 4, 2013, Mid-Trib

We have to be in Heaven while Satan is still there for him to accuse us BEFORE GOD day and night. Therefore, we should be caught up before June 4, 2013. That is a comforting thought. By that time, we would only have to stick it out one month, from May 4 to June 4.

However, I think we will be caught up SUNDAY, May 5, 2013. That will be both Ascension Day and the Eastern Orthodox Easter SUNDAY.

In the PREVIEW of the Rapture, Rev 1:9-11 says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos (meaning mortal), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (SUNDAY), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last".

This is why I now expect the First-Trump Rapture on Sunday.

FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE ON THE LORD'S DAY, SUNDAY, MAY 5, 2013, Ascension Day and Orthodox Easter LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE ON THE DAY OF THE LORD, MONDAY, SEPT 14, 2015, Feast of Trumpets

The Last-Trump Rapture is on the Feast of Trumpets, 7 months before the Second Advent (Eze 39:12,13). The Second Advent has to be in a Leap Year for there to be 7 months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1. 5776 is a Leap Year. Also, a Jubilee Year has to be preceded by a Sabbatic Year. 5775 is a Sabbatic Year. I consider the date of the Second Advent locked in.

THE SEVEN MONTHS (I.E., IT IS A LEAP YEAR) BETWEEN THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH ON TISHRI 1 AND THE SECOND ADVENT ON NISAN 1

Eze 39:11-13 says, "And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog. 12 And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. 13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (i.e., at the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."

1. Tishri
2. Cheshvan
3. Kislev
4. Teveth
5. Shevat
6. Adar I
7. Adar II, the extra month added only in leap years

The next Sabbatic Year after 5775 is 5782. It is not followed by a Leap Year. Therefore Nisan 1, 5776, date of the Second Advent, seems to be locked in place.

Mat 24:32-37 says, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree (i.e., Israel); When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting, i.e., modern Israel) is yet tender (apalos, young, i.e., not over 19, which Israel was in 1967), and putteth forth leaves (grows, they got Sinai, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights and West Bank in the Six-Day War), ye know that summer is nigh (the war was June 5-10; summer began June 21): 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it (i.e., the Rapture) is near, even at the doors (door is a symbol of the first Rapture, Rev 3:8, so doors applies to both Raptures). 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation (1967 + 48.33 years [Mt 1.17] = 2015.66 years) shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth (present tense, i.e., no man knew in 30 AD) no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

In Noah's day, man was given 120 years (Gen 6:3 says, "the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years." The first Zionist Congress was Aug 31, 1897. 1897 + 120 years is 2017, the outer limit of our days.

We cannot go beyond 2017 easily. To me, this also locks in Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016 as the date of the Second Advent. Besides that, April 9, the Second Advent, is the anniversary of the Resurrection on April 9, 30 AD. Resurrecting the second time on the anniversary of the first Resurrection sounds like something the Lord would do. Therefore, I consider the Nisan 1, 5776, Sat. April 9, 2016 date unmovable.

How about you? Agape

MY REPLY

The Jubilee would be announced on the Day of Atonement, Sept. 23, 2015, Tishri 10, 5776, before the Second Advent on Nisan 1, 5776, the 1st day of the Jubilee Year.

As usual, I expect the Holy Fire to come after 2 PM on Holy Saturday at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem. Jesus/God can appear in fire. Remember, he came to Moses in the burning bush. He appeared in fire over the Tabernacle at night.

The miracle of the Holy Fire is the longest lasting miracle we have had. It started when Constantine built the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in 325/326 AD. Why does the Holy Fire come to that church? It's great rotunda was built over the actual tomb of Jesus. The so-called "Garden Tomb" is not the real tomb of Jesus. The Holy Fire comes to the actual tomb, not to the Garden Tomb.

"According to tradition, Constantine arranged for the rockface to be removed from around the tomb, without harming it, in order to isolate the tomb; in the centre of the rotunda is a small building called the Kouvouklion Modern Greek for small compartment) or Aedicule".
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Holy_Sepulchre#section_1)

The Aedicule is built around the actual tomb. In later years, some siding threatened to come loose. Therefore, the Aedicule is surrounded by some scaffolding to hold it together.

Of Mid-Trib, June 4, 2013, Rev 12:7-10 says, "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused (i.e., past tense) them before our God day and night."

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: BLOOD, FIRE AND SMOKE AT THE TIME OF OUR RAPTURE

WHAT IS THE BLOOD, FIRE AND SMOKE ALL ABOUT AT THE TIME OF OUR RAPTURE ?

Acts 2:19-20
"Blood and fire and vapor of smoke. the sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and awesome Day of the Lord."

Joel 2:30-31
"Blood and fire and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and awesome Day of the Lord."

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8
"When the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven, with His mighty angels, in flaming fire.........."

Whose blood is being spilled at the time of the Lord's coming to rapture His Church/bride?

What is on fire causing the smoke at the time of the Lord's coming to rapture His Church/bride ?

There must be considerable blood flowing and considerable fire causing considerable smoke for all three to be written into the Scriptures telling us what conditions will be like here on earth at the time of the Lord's coming to save/rapture His Church/bride. Does it sound like a time of tribulation on earth at the time of the Lord's coming to save/rapture his Church/bride ?

Revelation 7:14
"These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, ..........."

According to Your Word, come Lord Jesus!

MY REPLY

> > WHAT IS THE BLOOD, FIRE AND SMOKE ALL ABOUT AT THE TIME OF OUR RAPTURE ?

> > Acts 2:19-20
> > "Blood and fire and vapor of smoke. the sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and awesome Day of the Lord."

There is no blood, fire and smoke at the time of the First-Trump Rapture on the "Lord's day" (Rev 1:9-11). The Lord's day is Sunday. I think the first Rapture will be on Sunday, May 5, 2013, before MID_TRIB, June 4, 2013, when Satan will be cast down into the Earth.

Here is the way I figured it. I found out that the sanctuary will be cleansed on Nisan 1.

Eze 45:18 says, "Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary".

Therefore, I should subtract the 2300 days of Daniel 8:13,14 from Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2016), the Second Advent, instead of from Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015, the Day of God's Wrath.

BEGINNING OF THE TRIBULATION, DECEMBER 22, 2009

http://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadded.html?m1=12&d1=2&y1=2009&type=add&ay=&am=&ad=1260&aw=
From SATURDAY, APRIL 9, 2016 (i.e., Nisan 1, 5776, THE SECOND ADVENT)
Subtracted 2300 days
Resulting date: TUESDAY, DECEMBER 22, 2009 (BEGINNING OF THE TRIBULATION)

MID TRIB, JUNE 4, 2013, PROBABLY THE DAY SATAN AND HIS FALLEN ANGELS ARE CAST OUT OF HEAVEN

From date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009
Added 1260 days
RESULTING DATE: TUESDAY, JUNE 4, 2013 (MID-TRIB WAR IN HEAVEN)

The blood, fire and smoke happen at the time of the Last-Trump Rapture on the great and terrible Day of the Lord." I think that will happen on Monday, Sept 14, 2015, Tishri 1, 5776.

Act 2:19-21 says, "And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: 21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved."

There will be a Solar Eclipse on Sept 13, 2015. I think the Day of the Lord will follow on Sept 14, when the Last-Trump Rapture will take place just before God's Wrath hits Earth (Rev 6:12,17; 7:14). Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: another fact

Ugh!.....another fact! TUESDAY, MARCH 10, 2020 (Jesus' Isa 63 Temple Entrance) is PURIM!

MY REPLY

In my head, the year 5776 is locked in as the year of the Second Advent. Since our days are as the days of Noah, man has been assigned 120 years.

The first Zionist Congress was convened in 1897.
1897 + 120 = 2017, the outer limit.

April 9, 2016, Nisan 1, 5776, is the first day of the Jubilee year, and I think, the day of the Second Advent on the anniversary of the Resurrection on April 9, 30 AD.
The Jubilee year has to follow a Sabbatic Year.
5775 is Sabbatic.

The last year has to have 7 months between the Wrath of God on Tishri 1 and the Second Advent on Nisan 1.
5776 is a leap year with the 13th month. It works.

Eze 39:11-13 says, "And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog. 12 And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. 13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (i.e., at the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."

The next Sabbatic Year is 5782.
5783 is not a Leap Year, so that combination will not work.

> > Ugh!.....another fact! TUESDAY, MARCH 10, 2020 (Jesus' Isa 63 Temple Entrance) is PURIM!

How do you figure that? Here is Isa 63:1-19.

"Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save. 2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat? 3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. 4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come. 5 And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me. 6 And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth. 7 I will mention the lovingkindnesses of the LORD, and the praises of the LORD, according to all that the LORD hath bestowed on us, and the great goodness toward the house of Israel, which he hath bestowed on them according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his lovingkindnesses.

8 "For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour. 9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old. 10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them. 11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him? 12 That led them by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name? 13 That led them through the deep, as an horse in the wilderness, that they should not stumble?

4 "As a beast goeth down into the valley, the Spirit of the LORD caused him to rest: so didst thou lead thy people, to make thyself a glorious name. 15 Look down from heaven, and behold from the habitation of thy holiness and of thy glory: where is thy zeal and thy strength, the sounding of thy bowels and of thy mercies toward me? are they restrained? 16 Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting. 17 O LORD, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants' sake, the tribes of thine inheritance. 18 The people of thy holiness have possessed it but a little while: our adversaries have trodden down thy sanctuary. 19 We are thine: thou never barest rule over them; they were not called by thy name."

FROM A POST ON FIVE DOVES, RE: Steve W2 (6 Apr 2013) "Marilyn Agee...Pre-trib"

First let me say that I appreciate you so much. You writings over the years have allowed me to gain such wonderful insights. All because of a heart that desires Jesus. Thank you.

A quick comment on my view of pre-trib. The Bible never calls the last week of Jacob's troubles as being the tribulation. It does picture the build up to the great Tribulation or the first 3 1/2 years as "pain and sorrow" and "birth pangs". But "only" man has added that first 3 1/2 into the tribulation period.

As we all know Daniel's prophecy is for the Israel and not specifically the church. However....since the end is the 2nd coming and the 1000 year reign of Christ...I'd say we can piggy back off that time frame and guess when the rapture will occur. Unlike my thoughts over that last few years...I firmly believe today we can only guess (and may be close) to knowing the day but not the hour.

Sorry....went down a side trail there. I believe and this is me only, that pre-trib and mid-trib are one in the same. As others have pointed out over the years here on fivedoves, that Jesus continues being our Advocate until He no longer needs to be. When is that? When Satan is thrown out of heaven and no longer has access through the back door, so to speak, to the throne. That happens just before the Great Tribulation and at the pre 3 1/2 year mark. It's also closely associated with the brides' going home. I believe He's at the door. Only those with pure hearts will enter.

Please keep on sharing with us and filling us with all that our Lord has taught you. Blessings on you!!! Steve W2

MY REPLY

Thank you much.

> > Jesus continues being our Advocate until He no longer needs to be. When is that? When Satan is thrown out of heaven and no longer has access through the back door, so to speak, to the throne.

A few days ago, I thought Satan might be cast out into the Earth before we are caught up. Now, I think I know better. We have to go up first. Otherwise Satan would not be there to accuse us before God day and night.

We win because those sins he accuses us of are under the blood of Christ. Then he is cast out.

> > The Bible never calls the last week of Jacob's troubles as being the tribulation.

Jacob’s trouble is one literal day. Jer_30:7 says, "Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it."

Please keep on sharing with us and filling us with all that our Lord has taught you.

Will do, as long as I am able. Right now, I'm ok, but my blood glucose and my blood pressure are too high. The doctor just upped my medicine for Diabetes. David, my son, just said that everyone is amazed that at 84, I just keep going and going and going, like that bunny on TV. I'm 24 years older than he is and he is feeling older than he is. I told him that the Lord is doing it because of what I'm into.

It will be nice to be made perfect. Heb_12:23 says, "To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect". Agape

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