Pro and Con 1712

5-3-13

THE WATER FOUNTAINS ON SATURN'S MOON ENCELADUS

NETANYAHU CALLS FOR PEACE DEAL TO AVERT BINATIONAL STATE

By Aaron Kalman, May 1, 2013
http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-calls-for-peace-deal-to-avert-binational-state/?utm_source=The+Times+of+Israel+Daily+Edition&utm_campaign=93dfcc6366-2013_05_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_adb46cec92-93dfcc6366-54428089

The end goal of a deal with the Palestinians is to prevent a binational state and provide security for Israel, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday in his first meeting with the Foreign Ministry's top officials since taking office in March....

The root of the conflict, he said, was the Palestinians' refusal to recognize the Jews' right to a country....

"It's not about a Palestinian state, it's about a Jewish state," Netanyahu, who is serving as acting foreign minister, told the ministry officials....

Earlier on Wednesday, opposition leader Shelly Yachimovich called on Netanyahu to endorse the Arab League's peace initiative, which was amended and restated Tuesday in Washington.

Israel and the Palestinians seemed closer Tuesday night than at any time over the past few years to a resumption of substantive peace negotiations, after both sides indicated satisfaction with the apparently American-brokered amendment to the Arab League’s longstanding framework for regional peace.

Hamas rebuffs renewed Israel-Palestinian peace initiative from Arab League

By Alistair Dawber, May 3, 13 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/hamas-rebuffs-renewed-israelpalestinian-peace-initiative-from-arab-league-8603369.html

FOOD FOR THOUGHT

Dan 9:27 says, "And he (i.e., the prince [nagiyd, commander, civil, military or religious] that shall come) shall confirm (gabar, strengthen) the covenant (beriyth, covenant, league) with many for one week (i.e., a week of years): and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations (shiqquts, idols) he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

Mat 24:15,16 says, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains".

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SCRIPTURE TELLS US EXACTLY WHEN THE RAPTURE HAPPENS.....

First we are told:

1 Thessalonians 5;9

"For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ."

Then we are told:

1 Thessalonians 1:10

"And to wait for His Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come."

Then we are told that God's wrath begins at the opening of the Seventh Seal:

Revelation 6:17

"For the great Day of His wrath has come...."

Therefore the Church is raptured just before the opening of the Seventh Seal which is when God's wrath begins. The Church is raptured on the Day of the Lord which begins as described when the Sixth Seal is opened:

Revelation 6:12

"I looked when he opened the sixth seal, and behold,........the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood...."

Scripture tells us the Lord Jesus raptures His Church/bride when the 'Day of the Lord' begins as described during the events of the Sixth Seal, but just before the wrath of God begins at the opening of the Seventh Seal.

According to Your Word, come Lord Jesus!

MY REPLY

There are two Raptures, a First-Trump Rapture, as in I Thess 4:13-18, and a Last-Trump Rapture, as in I Cor 15:51-54.

In I Thess 4:13-18, nothing is said about us becoming immortal.

In I Cor 15:51-54, ALL (including Paul) become immortal.

THERE ARE RANKS IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION

1Co 15:22-24 says, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order (tagmati, rank): Christ (i.e., resurrected and ascended in 30 AD) THE FIRSTFRUITS (caught up in the First-Trump Rapture); AFTERWARD THEY (the Tribulation saints, caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture) THAT ARE CHRIST'S AT HIS COMING (parousia, being near, coming, presence). 24 Then cometh the end".

FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE OF WISE VIRGINS - BODY OF CHRIST INCOMPLETE - NO MENTION OF BECOMING IMMORTAL

1Th 4:13-18 says, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (phthano, precede) them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

In the Gospel in the Stars, there are two sheepfolds. It is as Joh_10:16 says, "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: THEM ALSO I MUST BRING, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd."

We will be raised in incorruption.

1Co 15:40-44 says, "There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

I have seen my husband in his celestial body. He died Dec. 27, 2011, when 87. On the following April 2, he came to see me. He looked like he did at 33. His voice was normal. Two things seemed different. His black suit seemed to be made out of silk shirt material. It had the sheen of silk and flowed around his shin like silk. The other thing that was different, after he answered my questions, he walked through the wall.

These were my questions and his answers.

"Are you 30 or 33?" He said, "33." "Can we be together forever?" He said, "Yes." "Are there female angels in Heaven?" He said, "Yes." "Have you gotten with your family?" He said, "Yes." "Have you gotten with my family?" He said, "Yes." "Do you have a piano?" He said, "Yes" and walked through the wall.

LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE OF FOOLISH VIRGINS, THE 144,000 ISRAELITES, AND OTHER TRIBULATION SAINTS ON THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH - BODY OF CHRIST COMPLETE - TWO BODIES OF CHRIST BECOME ONE, THEN ALL BECOME IMMORTAL

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; WE (i.e., including Paul) shall not all sleep, but WE shall ALL (i.e., the whole Body of Christ) be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and WE (i.e., the whole Body of Christ) SHALL BE CHANGED. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." Agape

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Mysterious Hebrew stone depicts archangel Gabriel, called a 'Dead Sea Scroll in stone' Published April 30, 2013, Associated Press

April 30, 2013: A museum worker points at the 'Gabriel Stone' as it is displayed at an exhibition at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem. (AP Photo/Sebastian Scheiner)
April 30, 2013: A museum worker walks next to the 'Gabriel Stone' as it is displayed at an exhibition at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem. (AP Photo/Sebastian Scheiner)
April 30, 2013: A museum worker looks at the "Gabriel Stone" as it is displayed at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem. (AP Photo/Sebastian Scheiner)Next Slide Previous Slide

JERUSALEM - An ancient limestone tablet covered with a mysterious Hebrew text that features the archangel Gabriel is at the center of a new exhibit in Jerusalem, even as scholars continue to argue about what it means. The so-called Gabriel Stone, a meter (three-foot)-tall tablet said to have been found 13 years ago on the banks of the Dead Sea, features 87 lines of an unknown prophetic text dated as early as the first century BC, at the time of the Second Jewish Temple. 'The Gabriel Stone is in a way a Dead Sea Scroll written on stone.'
- James Snyder, director of the Israel Museum

Scholars see it as a portal into the religious ideas circulating in the Holy Land in the era when was Jesus was born. Its form is also unique -- it is ink written on stone, not carved -- and no other such religious text has been found in the region. Curators at the Israel Museum, where the first exhibit dedicated to the stone is opening Wednesday, say it is the most important document found in the area since the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

"The Gabriel Stone is in a way a Dead Sea Scroll written on stone," said James Snyder, director of the Israel Museum. The writing dates to the same period, and uses the same tidy calligraphic Hebrew script, as some of the Dead Sea Scrolls, a collection of documents that include the earliest known surviving manuscripts of Hebrew Bible texts. The Gabriel Stone made a splash in 2008 when Israeli Bible scholar Israel Knohl offered a daring theory that the stone's faded writing would revolutionize the understanding of early Christianity, claiming it included a concept of messianic resurrection that predated Jesus. He based his theory on one hazy line, translating it as "in three days you shall live."

His interpretation caused a storm in the world of Bible studies, with scholars convening at an international conference the following year to debate readings of the text, and a National Geographic documentary crew featuring his theory. An American team of experts using high resolution scanning technologies tried -- but failed -- to detect more of the faded writing.

Knohl, a professor of Bible at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, eventually scaled back from his original bombshell theory but the fierce scholarly debate he sparked continued to reverberate across the academic world, bringing international attention to the stone. Over the last few years it went on display alongside other Bible-era antiquities in Rome, Houston and Dallas.

Bible experts are still debating the writing's meaning, largely because much of the ink has eroded in crucial spots in the passage and the tablet has two diagonal cracks the slice the text into three pieces. Museum curators say only 40 percent of the 87 lines are legible, many of those only barely. The interpretation of the text featured in the Israel Museum's exhibit is just one of five readings put forth by scholars.

All agree that the passage describes an apocalyptic vision of an attack on Jerusalem in which God appears with angels on chariots to save the city. The central angelic character is Gabriel, the first angel to appear in the Hebrew Bible. "I am Gabriel," the writing declares.

The stone inscription is one of the oldest passages featuring the archangel, and represents an "explosion of angels in Second Temple Judaism," at a time of great spiritual angst for Jews in Jerusalem looking for divine connection, said Adolfo Roitman, a curator of the exhibit.

The exhibit traces the development of the archangel Gabriel in the three monotheistic religions, displaying a Dead Sea Scroll fragment which mentions the angel's name; the 13th century Damascus Codex, one of the oldest illustrated manuscripts of the complete Hebrew Bible; a 10th century New Testament manuscript from Brittany, in which Gabriel predicts the birth of John the Baptist and appears to the Virgin Mary; and an Iranian Quran manuscript dated to the 15th or 16th century, in which the angel, called Jibril in Arabic, reveals the word of God to the prophet Mohammad.

"Gabriel is not archaeology. He is still relevant for millions of people on earth who believe that angels are heavenly beings on earth," said Roitman. The Gabriel Stone, he said, is "the starting point of an ongoing tradition that still is relevant today." The story of how the stone was discovered is just as murky as its meaning. A Bedouin man is said to have found it in Jordan on the eastern banks of the Dead Sea around the year 2000, Knohl said. An Israeli university professor later examined a piece of earth stuck to the stone and found a composition of minerals only found in that region of the Dead Sea.

The stone eventually made it into the hands of Ghassan Rihani, a Jordanian antiquities dealer based in Jordan and London, who in turn sold the stone to Swiss-Israeli collector David Jeselsohn in Zurich for an unspecified amount. Rihani has since died. The Bible scholar traveled to Jordan multiple times to look for more potential stones, but was unable to find the stone's original location.

Israel Museum curators said Jeselsohn lent the stone to the museum for temporary display. Lenny Wolfe, an antiquities dealer in Jerusalem, said that before the Jordanian dealer bought it, another middleman faxed him an image of the stone and offered it for sale. "The fax didn't come out clearly. I had no idea what it was," said Wolfe, who passed on the offer. It was "one of my biggest misses," Wolfe said.

What function the stone had, where it was displayed, and why it was written are unknown, said curators of the Israel Museum exhibit.

"There is still so much that is unclear," said Michal Dayagi-Mendels, a curator of the exhibit. Scholars, she said, "will still argue about this for years."

MY REPLY

Thanks. I haven't seen this before.
http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/earthskys-meteor-shower-guide?gclid=CL3Kgqa89bYCFQnhQgodGn8ATA

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Could these be the 7 months of cleaning before the Lord's return

MY REPLY

Yes. I think the Day of God's wrath will be Sept. 14, 2015, Tishri 1, 5776, the Feast of Trumpets, and the Day of the Second Advent will be Sat. April 9, 2016, Nisan 1, 5776, the first day of the Jubilee, Regnal and Sacred Years. There are 7 months between them because 5776 is a Leap Year. It has the month of Adar II added. Also, a Jubilee Year has to be preceded by a Sabbatical Year, and 5775 is Sabbatical.

Of that 7 months, Eze 39:11-13 says, "And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog. 12 And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. 13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (i.e., at the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD." Agape

A POST ON FIVE DOVES

Garry B,
To add to your analysis,

"SCRIPTURE TELLS US EXACTLY WHEN THE RAPTURE HAPPENS.....
First we are told:

1 Thessalonians 5;9
"For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ."

Then we are told:
1 Thessalonians 1:10
"And to wait for His Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come."

Then we are told that God's wrath begins at the opening of the Seventh Seal:

Revelation 6:17
"For the great Day of His wrath has come...."

Therefore the Church is raptured just before the opening of the Seventh Seal which is when God's wrath begins.
The Church is raptured on the Day of the Lord which begins as described when the Sixth Seal is opened:

Revelation 6:12
"I looked when he opened the sixth seal, and behold,........the sun became black as sackcloth of hair,
and the moon became like blood...."

Scripture tells us the Lord Jesus raptures His Church/bride when the 'Day of the Lord' begins as described during the events of the Sixth Seal, but just before the wrath of God begins at the opening of the Seventh Seal.

According to Your Word, come Lord Jesus!"

The Day of the Lord is also called "The Last Day" by Jesus and by Martha, when the first Resurrection takes place.

We know from Paul that the rapture takes place immediately after the Resurrection, when we meet the resurrected saints in the air.

Not sure why Jesus calls it "The Last Day", maybe the Last Day of the Church Age?

MY REPLY

Jesus is the "bright and morning star" right now. Saturn reached opposition April 28. That means that we are on the line drawn between Saturn/Heaven and the Sun. Saturn was as close as possible April 28, but will recede slowly. This is a perfect time for the Rapture.

Saturn will be opposite the sun in the skies of Earth.

NASA notes that Saturn "will remain a golden jewel in the midnight sky for weeks to come."
http://www.ibtimes.com/2013-saturn-opposition-how-see-saturn-its-best-biggest-brightest-year-sunday-free-charge-video

Look at this. Now they admit that Saturn has "atmospheric water vapor" and "rain".

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-04/holy-crap-saturns-rings-are-raining-water "Saturn is the first planet to show significant interaction between its atmosphere and ring system," James O'Donoghue, the paper's lead author, says. "The main effect of ring-rain is that it acts to 'quench' the ionosphere of Saturn, severely reducing the electron densities in regions in which it falls."

"The discovery that ring-rain decreases electron densities solves a long-standing mystery: For decades, astronomers have wondered why they observed unusually low electron densities at some places on Saturn.

"According to the researchers, Saturn's magnetic field draws charged water particles in the rings toward the planet, causing the rain effect. This isn't the first time astronomers have detected odd weather activity on our solar system's second largest planet. In 2011, scientists observed that Saturn's moon Enceladus was spewing huge jets of water onto its host planet."
The study appears in this week's issue of Nature. Agape

MY REPLY TO AN EMAIL

You are right in that there is a Rapture on the Day of the Lord which falls on Monday, but there is also a Rapture on the Lord's day, SUNDAY.

THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE ON THE LORD'S DAY, SUNDAY, WILL PROBABLY BE MAY 5, 2013

Rev 1:9-11 says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion IN TRIBULATION (i.e., just before MID-TRIB, June 4, 2013), and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos (meaning mortal), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (ginomai, became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (i.e., SUNDAY), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last".

1Th 4:13-18 says, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

Rev 4:1 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of A TRUMPET (i.e., the first trumpet) talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE ON THE DAY OF THE LORD WILL PROBABLY BE SEPT. 14, 2015

> > The Day of the Lord is also called "The Last Day" by Jesus and by Martha, when the first Resurrection takes place.
We know from Paul that the rapture takes place immediately after the Resurrection, when we meet the resurrected saints in the air.
> > Not sure why Jesus calls it "The Last Day", maybe the Last Day of the Church Age?

That is because that Rapture is the Last-Trump Rapture. It is the last possible day to be saved and go to Heaven before God's Wrath hits Earth.

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

http://www.hebcal.com/converter/?gd=27&gm=3&gy=2013&g2h=1
"Hebrew Date Converter
"Wed, 27 March 2013 = 16th of Nisan, 5773
" Pesach II
"1st day of the Omer

The Crucifixion was Thursday, Nisan 13, 3790, April 6, 30 AD, on the Preparation of the Passover
Passover was Friday, Nisan 14, April 7
Unleavened Bread was Saturday, Nisan 15, April 8
Firstfruits was Sunday, Nisan 16, Nisan 16, April 9, the first day of the Omer

The Second Advent should be Sat. Nisan 1, April 9, 2016, the Anniversary of Jesus' Resurrection, on the anniversary of the Resurrection on April 9, 30 AD.
Nisan 1, 5776, Sat. April 9, 2016, is the first day of the Jubilee, Regnal and Sacred Years.
A Jubilee Year has to be preceded by a Sabbatical Year, and 5775 is Sabbatical, it divides by 7 equally.
The Jubilee should be announced on the Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, 5776, Sept. 23, 2015.

All endtime events should take place between now and 2018. 1948 + 70 = 2018. 1967 + 48.33 (1 generation, Mt. 1:17) = 2015.33, or the Feast of Trumpets, Mon. Tishri 1, 5776, Sept. 14, 2015.

> > Therefore the Church is raptured just before the opening of the Seventh Seal which is when God's wrath begins.
The Church is raptured on the Day of the Lord which begins as described when the Sixth Seal is opened
> > Scripture tells us the Lord Jesus raptures His Church/bride when the 'Day of the Lord' begins as described during the events of the Sixth Seal, but just before the wrath of God begins at the opening of the Seventh Seal.

There are two Raptures, one for the wise virgins and another for the foolish virgins and the 144,000 Israelites. I think the First-Trump Rapture will be Sunday, Iyar 25, 5773, May 5, 2013. That day will be the Eastern Orthodox Easter, Resurrection Day, and Ascension Day. The Last-Trump Rapture should come on Sat. Tishri 1, 5776, Sept. 14, 2015.

Jesus may come in the Holy Fire shortly after 2 PM on Holy Saturday, May 4, 2013, in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem. God appeared in the burning bush and in fire above the Tabernacle. May 5, Resurrection Day, will start at 6 PM Jewish time on our May 4.

Rev_8:1 says,"And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour."

Rev_10:7 says,"But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."

Rev_11:15 says,"And the seventh angel sounded (i.e., on ; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

Rev_16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."

The Last-Trump Rapture come just before the 7th seal is broken. The Day of God's Wrath comes in Rev 6:17. The Tribulation saints are seen in heaven in Rev. 7:14. The 7th seal is broken in Rev. 8:1. There is silence in Heaven and on Earth while Jesus is seated at the Judgment Seat of Christ.

Hab_2:20 says, "But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him."

THE TRIBULATION - 2300 DAYS

Dan 8:13,14 says, "Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

Eze 45:18 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary".

Eze 45:18 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary".

1260 + 1040 = 2300

It should end Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016
April 9, 2016 - 2300 days = Dec. 22, 2009, beginning of the Tribulation
Mid-Trib: Dec. 22, 2009 + 1260 days = June 4, 2013

Hope this will fill in the gaps. Agape

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