Pro and Con 1724

Posted 6-5-13

THE OLDEST SPHINX, DATED 9,500 BC, HAD TO BE MADE BY THE ANGELS
THAT LEFT THEIR FORMER ESTATE (Jude 1:6). THEREFORE, THEY KNEW
THE GOSPEL IN THE STARS BEGAN WITH VIRGO AND ENDED WITH LEO

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: Date of June 4th -- an alternative

I note that you have designated June 4th as "mid-tribulation" and are thus thinking that this may be an opportune time for the gathering together of the Wise Virgins to be with our Lord.

I understand the calculations, as you have outlined them, and the reason that you have designated this date; however, Orthodox Christians are celebrating the Feast of the Ascension of our Lord Jesus Christ on June 13th this year (with the Feast of Holy Pentecost coming on Sunday, June 23rd -- this is calculated, of course, from the date that we celebrated our Lord's resurrection this year).

Since the Holy Fire came on our Orthodox Holy Saturday (which is an indicator of the correct designation of the Feast of Great and Holy Pascha as being on May 5th this year), then it logically follows that the correct commemoration of Christian Pentecost is 50 days after Sunday, May 5th (which is June 23rd). Going back ten days, which is the traditional manner of calculating the Feast of the Ascension, means that the commemoration of the translation of our Lord's physical body to the "right hand of the Father" is June 13th.

You had previously designated the Western commemoration of the Ascension as a favorable date; I believe, of course, that the Western date for the celebration of Easter was incorrect this year. So, all of the prophetic and symbolic reasons for our translation to occur on the Ascension are still valid, I just believe you based it on the incorrect Western date.

just some food for thought.

With sincere thanks for your concerted efforts over the years (I've read your website every day since 1998),

your friend and servant in Christ Jesus

MY REPLY: I HOPE THE RAPTURE WILL BE JUNE 13, THE EASTERN ORTHODOX ASCENSION DAY

Thank you, loyal friend. I am so glad to hear from you. I lost all my addresses when my old computer quit.

I have been meaning to look up when the Eastern Orthodox Ascension Day will be, and just have been caught up in other things that delayed me. I think we both know that the Holy Fire shows us what calendar to go by. The year, 1947 if I remember right, that the Holy Fire did not come was when someone tried to change the calendar. When they went back to the old one, the Holy Fire has come every year since.

June 13 sounds like a really good day to me. I was born on the 13th, married on the 13th, got a job in Oak Ridge, TN, on the 13th. Ed got out of the service on the 13th. I consider it my lucky number. I think Ascension Day was played out for us when Jesus ascended, and I would love to get back with Ed on the 13th. That would be perfect, like a honeymoon that we never had. We had to keep our marriage secret until I graduated from High School.

If the Battle of Midway (which started June 4) could be an indicator, the war in Heaven could start tomorrow and end on the 13th.

May God bless you richly

A POST ON FIVE DOVES

Frank & Bill
You had said some interesting things about the seven churches in Asia.

For years, I like many others, considered, primarily the teaching of the seven periods of church history. I also considered that they were seven, real, actual churches, simultaneous to John on Patmos. I also considered that every church around, has things about it that can be lined up to each of the seven.

However, after reading what you wrote, the stronger thought that has gripped me, is in regard to us individually.

When I read about Ephesus, do I let the Lord use it to teach me about me, both good and bad? After all, with each, he mentions, to him that overcometh, which is a personal statement.
Do I let him speak to me, in context of each of the seven?
When he keeps saying, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches", do I really not understand yet?
When Jesus said something similar to his disciples, it seems they thought that they understood what he meant. How often have I thought that I really understood something, and yet was so shallow or way off the mark?

Each time I read about those seven churches, is Jesus trying to only teach me history or prophecy?
Is he not encouraging me & rebuking me?
Is he not helping me to see where I'm at & what I'm like?

Is he not also helping me to see what I need to continue with & what I need to change?
Is he not also helping me to be ready? Gino

MY REPLY

All of The Revelation of Christ (who will be revealed at the time of the First-Trump Rapture) seems to be addressed to the churches about ten days before the Rapture. That could be now, so we should pay attention.

Rev 1:3 says, "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for THE TIME IS AT HAND."

Rev 22:10 says, "And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for THE TIME IS AT HAND."

Like our movie directors, Jesus started The Revelation of Jesus Christ with a Preview of coming attractions. Rev. 1:9-11 is the Preview of the subject at hand, the First-Trump Rapture.

It says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (ginomai, became) in the Spirit (i.e., like Ed when he came to see me in his celestial body) on the Lord's day (maybe Sunday), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last"

After the first Rapture, the lampstands representing all 7 church groups are seen with Christ in Heaven, so there are saved ones out of each group.

Rev 1:12-17 says, "And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden (symbol of deity) girdle. 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool (Dan 7:9), as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. 17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first (LORD of the Old Testament) and the last" (Lord of the New Testament).

After the scene in Heaven, Rev 1:19 says, "Write the things which thou hast seen (i.e., before the Rapture, i.e., before the COME UP HITHER of Rev 4:1), and the things which are (at the time of the Rapture), and the things which shall be hereafter" (after the Rapture) (i.e., following the "hereafter" in Rev 4:1).

Rev 4:1-4 says, "After this (i.e., after Jesus' Monologue to the Churches) I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be HEREAFTER. 2 And immediately I was (ginomai, became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set IN HEAVEN, and one (i.e., Jesus/God) sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (last stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (first stone in the breastplate): and there was a rainbow (Saturn's rings) round about the throne (Saturn), in sight like unto an emerald (Judah's stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah). 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats (lit., thrones): and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders (i.e., 12 patriarchs and 12 apostles of Israel) sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold."

Therefore, not only John, one of the elders, was caught up, the other 23 elders were caught up in the First-Trump Rapture. The wise-virgin saints are caught up too.

Rev. 5:8-10 says, "...saints. 9 And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, on or over) the earth."

The Last-Trump Rapture will take place on the Day of the Lord, the Day of God's Wrath.

Rev 6:17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 7:14 says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

Only those caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture will be able to stand. On Earth, there will be an asteroid-impact-caused-world-wide earthquake and tsunami, and none will be able to stand.

All of the saints caught up in the first Rapture are FIRSTFRUITS and sing the NEW SONG.

The saints caught up in the First-Trump Rapture before the Great Tribulation did not have to wash their robes in the blood of Christ. They had already confessed their sins and brought them under the blood of Christ.

THE REST OF THE FIRSTFRUITS are the 144,000 Israelites.

The saints caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture, in the Great Tribulation, had to be shown the hard way that they should confess their sins to bring them under to blood of Christ.

After the Last-Trump Rapture, only the 144,000 Israelites can sing the NEW SONG.

Rev 14:1-5 says, "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: AND NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the FIRSTFRUITS unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."

Now, let's go back and see what Jesus had to say in his Monologue to the Churches.

These are seven actual Churches in cities that existed in the Roman Province of Asia, now western Turkey, adjacent to the area where Gobekli Tepe, the oldest monolithic calendar ruin, has been found.

SEVEN CHURCHES IN THE AEGEAN REGION OF WESTERN TURKEY KNOWN AS ASIA MINOR

Ephesus means desirable. It was the capital and greatest city of the Roman province of Asia. Smyrna means sweet smelling, like myrrh, which smells sweet but means bitter. has nothing listed against it. Pergamos means elevated, exalted, citadel or married. It was where Satan's seat was located. Thyatira means continual sacrifice and listens to Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and who converted Ahab from worshiping the Lord to worshipping Baal. Sardis means escaping. Philadelphia means brotherly love, and has nothing listed against it. Laodicea means judgment of the people. They need to repent.

(1) Ephesus (Revelation 2:1-7) - the church that had left its first love (2:4).
(2) Smyrna (Revelation 2:8-11) - the church that would suffer persecution (2:10).
(3) Pergamum (Revelation 2:12-17) - a church that needed to repent (2:16).
(4) Thyatira (Revelation 2:18-29) - the church that listened to a false prophetess (2:20).
(5) Sardis (Revelation 3:1-6) - the church that went to sleep (3:2).
(6) Philadelphia (Revelation 3:7-13) - the church that waited patiently (3:10).
(7) Laodicea (Revelation 3:14-22) - the church with the lukewarm believers (3:16).

What we want to be is a Philadelphian, for whom the Lord had no words of condemnation. We just need to use I John 1:9. Agape

WHO WERE THE WATCHERS AND THE GIANTS?

By Marilyn Agee

Watchers are angels. Before Adam, some angels lived on earth.

Jude 1:6 says, "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

These angels left their first estate, Rahab, and lived on Earth from about 10,500 BC to the asteroid impact that dug the Moon material out of the Pacific Basin.

After Adam was created, before Noah's Flood, and some afterward, giants were the offspring of male angels and female humans.

Gen 6:1-4 says, "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God (angels, Job 1:6,7) saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

I knew that angels are in the masculine gender in the Bible, so when my husband Ed (who died Dec. 27, 2011) came to see me (April 2, 2012) in his celestial body, I asked him if there were female angels in Heaven. He said, "Yes."

I thought so. That seems right to me, for why would God make a male angel if there were no female angels. Just about the whole animal kingdom are male and female. Man is male and female. Why would angels be different?

I was looking up some verses in the Bible to see if I could find any more clues about angelic watchers and the giants, and stumbled on another verse that mentions Rahab. In the KJV, it is translated "proud."

Job 26:9-13 says, "He holdeth back the face of his throne, and spreadeth his cloud upon it. 10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end. 11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof. 12 HE DIVIDETH THE SEA WITH HIS POWER, AND BY HIS UNDERSTANDING HE SMITETH (machats, dashes asunder, crushes, smashes, destroys, smites through, i.e., shatters) THROUGH THE PROUD (Heb., RAHAB). 13 By his spirit he hath garnished (shiphrah, made bright) the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent."

Then, just as I thought, the scooping of the Moon material out of the Pacific Basin was related to the splitting of Satan's planet Rahab. I think a large piece of Rahab hit Mars, and a large piece hit Earth.

Psa 89:8-11 says, "O LORD God of hosts, who is a strong LORD like unto thee? or to thy faithfulness round about thee? 9 THOU RULEST THE RAGING OF THE SEA: WHEN THE WAVES THEREOF ARISE, THOU STILLEST THEM. 10 THOU HAST BROKEN RAHAB IN PIECES, as one that is slain; thou hast scattered thine enemies with thy strong arm. 11 The heavens are thine, the earth also is thine: as for the world and the fulness thereof, thou hast founded them.

Isa 51:9,10 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath CUT (chatsab, split) RAHAB, AND WOUNDED THE DRAGON (i.e., Satan)? 10 Art thou not it which hath dried the sea, the waters of the great deep; that hath made the depths of the sea a way for the ransomed to pass over?"

Here are other verses I found concerning watchers and angels.

Dan 4:13-23 says, "I (Nebuchadnezzar) saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a WATCHER (Chaldean: iyr, ANGEL, as a guardian, a watcher) and an holy one came down from heaven; 14 He cried aloud, and said thus, Hew down the tree, and cut off his branches, shake off his leaves, and scatter his fruit: let the beasts get away from under it, and the fowls from his branches:15 Nevertheless leave the stump of his roots in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts in the grass of the earth:16 Let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him. 17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers (iyr, ANGELS), and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men. 18 This dream I king Nebuchadnezzar have seen. Now thou, O Belteshazzar, declare the interpretation thereof, forasmuch as all the wise men of my kingdom are not able to make known unto me the interpretation: but thou art able; for the spirit of the holy gods is in thee.

Continuing, 19 Then Daniel, whose name was Belteshazzar, was astonied for one hour, and his thoughts troubled him. The king spake, and said, Belteshazzar, let not the dream, or the interpretation thereof, trouble thee. Belteshazzar answered and said, My lord, the dream be to them that hate thee, and the interpretation thereof to thine enemies. 20 The tree that thou sawest, which grew, and was strong, whose height reached unto the heaven, and the sight thereof to all the earth;21 Whose leaves were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all; under which the beasts of the field dwelt, and upon whose branches the fowls of the heaven had their habitation:22 It is thou, O king, that art grown and become strong: for thy greatness is grown, and reacheth unto heaven, and thy dominion to the end of the earth.23 And whereas the king saw a WATCHER (iyr, ANGEL) and an holy one coming down from heaven, and saying, Hew the tree down, and destroy it; yet leave the stump of the roots thereof in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass (which means curse), in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven times (years) pass over him".

Jer_4:16-28 says, "MAKE YE MENTION TO THE NATIONS; BEHOLD, PUBLISH AGAINST JERUSALEM, THAT WATCHERS (Hebrew, natsar, guards, subtil ones, WATCHERS, keepers, concealed ones, hidden ones, observers, i.e., ANGELS) COME FROM A FAR COUNTRY (originally from Satan's planet Rahab, which is now our Asteroid Belt), and give out their voice against the cities of Judah. 17 As KEEPERS (shamar, guards, observers) of a field, are they against her round about; because she hath been rebellious against me, saith the LORD. 18 Thy way and thy doings have procured these things unto thee; this is thy wickedness, because it is bitter, because it reacheth unto thine heart. 19 My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war. 20 Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment. 21 How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet? 22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish (sakal, silly, foolish) children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge."

Continuing, 23 "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was (heylal, became) without form (tohu, waste, without form), and void (bohu, empty); and the heavens, and they had no light. 24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. 25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man (Heb. adam), and all the birds of the heavens were fled. 26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the CITIES thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. 27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. 28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it."

The giants could also have sons.

2Sa 21:18-22 says, "And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of THE SONS OF THE GIANT. 19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew THE BROTHER OF GOLIATH the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. 20 And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a MAN OF GREAT STATURE, that had on every hand SIX FINGERS, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the GIANT. 21 And when he defied Israel, Jonathan the son of Shimea the brother of David slew him. 22 These four were born to the giant in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants."

It is interesting that some of the giants had six fingers. The hands carved into some of the tallest megalithic posts at Gobekli Tepe have six fingers. The inhabitants of Gobekli Tepe were angels.

Job 1:6-11 says, "Now there was a day when the SONS OF GOD (ANGELS) came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? 9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? 10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. 11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face."

Job 9:13 says, "If God will not withdraw his anger, the proud (Heb., RAHAB) helpers do stoop under him."

Josephus, a Pharisee priest, wrote: "For MANY ANGELS OF GOD ACCOMPANIED WITH WOMEN, AND BEGAT SONS that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good, on account of the confidence they had in their own strength; for the tradition is, that these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians call giants. But Noah was very uneasy at what they did; and being displeased at their conduct, persuaded them to change their dispositions and their acts for the better: but seeing they did not yield to him, but were slaves to their wicked pleasures, he was afraid they would kill him, together with his wife and children, and those they had married; so he departed out of that land. (Ant. 1.3.1)

The Book of Enoch (not Scripture) says, "And I Enoch was blessing the Lord of majesty and the King of the ages, and lo! the Watchers called me "Enoch the scribe" and said to me: "Enoch, thou scribe of righteousness, go, declare to the WATCHERS of the heaven WHO HAVE LEFT THE HIGH HEAVEN, THE HOLY ETERNAL PLACE (i.e., Saturn, the 3rd heaven, II Cor 12:2-4), and have defiled themselves with women, and have done as the children of earth do, and have taken unto themselves wives: Ye have wrought great destruction on the earth: And ye shall have no peace nor forgiveness of sin: and inasmuch as they delight themselves in their children [the Nephilim], The murder of their beloved ones shall they see, and over the destruction of their children shall they lament, and shall make supplication unto eternity, but mercy and peace shall ye not attain" (1 Enoch 10:3-8).

In the Bible, 2Peter 2:4-6 says, "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly".

Job 38:4-11: "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God (ANGELS) shouted for joy? 8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? 9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it, 10 And BRAKE UP FOR IT MY DECREED PLACE (i.e., the Pacific Basin), and set bars and doors, 11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

1Peter 3:18-20 says, "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

A POST ON FIVE DOVES, RE: "Garry B (4 June 2013) "THERE ARE NO GENTILE CHRISTIANS ON EARTH AFTER THE RAPTURE...."

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12

"With all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the Truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason GOD WILL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE THE LIE, that they ALL may be condemned who did not believe the Truth...."

At the rapture all the Gentile believers will be raptured and ALL the Gentile un-believers who are left-behind will receive a "strong delusion" from God and they will ALL be condemned. The "fullness of the Gentiles" come in at the time of the rapture, and at the rapture the "times of the Gentiles" will be fulfilled. No more chances for the Gentiles after the rapture.

Some people ask, who then are the 'tribulation saints' that Satan makes war against after he is cast down to earth during the last-half of the 70th Week of Daniel ? They are the Jewish saints who are converts to Christianity through the ministry of the 144.000 sealed Hebrew evangelists after the rapture of the Gentile Church. They are also the "offspring" or "seed" of the Jewish remnant who is the woman in the wilderness:

Revelation 12:17

"And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

So you see, the "offspring" or "seed" of the Jewish 'woman' remnant are NOT GENTILES! Those who are commonly called the 'tribulation saints' are the Jewish converts to Christianity during the last-half of the 70th Week of Daniel through the ministry of the sealed 144,000 evangelists.

MY REPLY

> > No more chances for the Gentiles after the rapture.
> > So you see, the "offspring" or "seed" of the Jewish 'woman' remnant are
> > NOT GENTILES ! Those who are commonly called the 'tribulation saints'
> > are the Jewish converts to Christianity during the last-half of the 70th
> > Week of Daniel through the ministry of the sealed 144,000 evangelists.

> > THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO GENTILE CHRISTIANS ON EARTH AFTER THE RAPTURE.

That can't be true. The foolish virgins are on earth after the First-Trump Rapture. They are members of all nations. The Laodiceans that do not repent are on earth after the First-Trump Rapture. They are members of all nations too. Scripture says that people "OF ALL NATIONS" are caught up to Heaven in the Last-Trump Rapture. Maybe you skipped from reading about the 144,000 Israelites in Rev 7:8 to Rev 7:14. Here are the verses in between.

Rev 7:9-14 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, OF ALL NATIONS, AND KINDREDS, AND PEOPLE, AND TONGUES, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, AND HAVE WASHED THEIR ROBES, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

Who has to wash their robes? the Laodiceans and the foolish virgins.

THE LAODICEANS

In the Lord's monologue to the 7 churches, Rev 3:18,19 says, "I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."

THE FOOLISH VIRGINS

Mat 25:10-13 says, "And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. 13 WATCH THEREFORE, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

WATCH THEREFORE

June 13, 13, is the Eastern Orthodox Ascension Day. If the war in Heaven started June 4, Mid-Trib, Satan and his angels could be cast out and we go up on this Ascension Day. The Holy Fire on the Eve of Easter at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem shows us what calendar to go by, the Julian Calendar used in 30 AD. That is what the Eastern Orthodox use to figure feast days. Their Pentecost will be June 23. Ten days before that will be Thursday, June 13, Ascension Day.

If I remember right, someone on Five Doves said that the Rapture would be on Thursday. I hope they will see this and let us know the circumstances. Agape

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