Pro and Con 1725

Posted 6-7-13

ANOTHER OF GOD'S WONDERS

FIRST REPLY OF CHARLES TO ME ON FIVE DOVES

Charles (8 June 2013)
"June 13th Eastern Orthodox ascension day"

Marylin it's a Thursday! Need I say more!

Jesus is coming Jesus is coming Jesus is coming. Rend your heart not your clothes turn repent call upon The Lord believe in thine heart god raised Jesus from the dead! Thou shalt be saved!

But watch and pray unto repentance that you may be found worthy to escape the wrath to come!

I have tried to pull the logs out of my eyes I see Him coming soon in the clouds at a time we think not in the calm right before the storm and maybe on to most people who would not have known when Eastern Orthodox Thursday is just a normal day!

SECOND REPLY OF CHARLES TO ME ON FIVE DOVES

Charles (8 June 2013)
"1st Corinthians 10:31"

Thank you I first give all glory and credit to God through Jesus Christ I really we all really are nothing except though Him.

I had this sureal trip where I had to depend entirely on Him the river was raging my new paddle handicapped me the islands were mud and besides my life jacket I held out any hope of rescue but by The Lord.

He kept me upright. I only witnessed by not drinking and by sharing what I had. I tried with my one friend as I have several times to do much more.

He listens but thinks its worry he does not see we must capture our thoughts to Christ.

I live now with Christians on either side but cannot talk of the rapture because they are not up on bible prophecy and world events they just smile at me. I can say Jesus saves to hallelujah but not Jesus is coming and have a meaty discussion.

It's lonely I am trying to run to Jesus to save me I know I cannot swim. I needed your encouragement. It's raining today I look is it this Thursday two on here seen to think, is it next as one does is it September 4th which if he tarried is into again a Thursday!

I think and ponder these thoughts try and warn and would welcome if you lived next door and came up to me as a new neighbor I think I might have cried or hugged you if you had in a manly way of course!

MY REPLY

Thanks. The Feast of Trumpets this year will be Thursday, Sept. 5. However, I am hoping for the First-Trump Rapture on Thursday, June 13, 2013, the Eastern Orthodox Ascension Day. Jesus acted it out for us when he arose on Ascension Day.

Act 1:9-11 says, "And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

I expect Moses and Elijah will come with Jesus.

I think the Last-Trump Rapture will be on Monday, Sept 14, 2015, the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of God's Wrath, the great and terrible Day of the Lord.

I wish I could remember who said the Rapture would be on Thursday. It seems like two people said that.

A POST ON FIVE DOVES

What is the difference between the pre-trib and the pre-wrath rapture? I never really thought much about it as I have always believed in a pre-trib rapture. I then noticed that so many Doves who post here have changed their own views and I so respect their posts. I guess Marlyn Agee was the first I noticed and then Ron Reese, math man, Gary Almond, and the list is really to large to print here. Now don't get me wrong.....very few actually use the term pre-wrath rapture with the exception of M Agee, but their timelines say it loud and clear. I made a small 12 minute video that reflects my thoughts and I hope it stirs you to be as the Bereans and blesses you abundantly. Agape, Charles Holler Sr. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_81PQZJ9H0

MY REPLY

> > WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PRE-TRIB AND THE PRE-WRATH RAPTURE?

A lot of difference. PRE-TRIB is before the Tribulation. PRE-WRATH is at the end of the Tribulation. I used to think the first Rapture would be before the Tribulation, but we seem to be in the middle of the Tribulation right now, and no one has reported that a large number of people have disappeared.

Just maybe war is going on in Heaven right now. It looks like we might go up when Satan and his fallen angels come down. Maybe we will be given their jobs in the Lord's government.

Rev 12:7-12 says, "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation (soteria, rescue, safety, deliverance, salvation), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

Charles, I spent a lot of time listening to your video and Bob Van Kampen's 3 LONG videos, and I feel sick in the pit of my stomach. People leaving that last meeting, the ones that believe him, will feel scared to death of what is coming. There was a pastor in his audience. I hope he doesn't go home and teach this to his congregation. I prayed for him.

Bob Van Kampen is teaching that the men of the "Church" are going to have to face being beheaded. Then the Rapture of the Church will take place on the Day of the Lord and they will immediately be resurrected. Who can expect to have to be beheaded without having a sick feeling in their stomach when they have to go on living now? That is not the Lord's way. That is not comforting, either.

Van Kampen is making a mistake if he thinks that will fulfill the Lord's promise in Rev 3:10.

Rev 3:10 says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience (hupomone, cheerful, hopeful, endurance, patient continuance, waiting), I also will keep thee FROM (ek, OUT OF) THE HOUR OF TEMPTATION, WHICH SHALL COME UPON ALL THE WORLD, TO TRY THEM THAT DWELL ON THE EARTH."

The hour of temptation is when one has to decide whether or not to take the Mark of the Beast. No believer can take the Mark of the Beast, come what may.

Van Kampen fails to see the first Rapture. He just tries to pile everything into the last Rapture. That just won't work.

He sees the Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54 and adds to it the passage in I Thess 4:13-18. He lumps them together at the beginning of the great and terrible Day of the Lord - because there is a legitimate Rapture of the Tribulation saints on that day. However, what he fails to discern is that the Rapture of I Thess 4:13-18 is NOT the same Rapture as we see in I Cor 15:51-54, which truly is the one on the Day of the Lord, which is the Day of God's Wrath.

Rev 7:9-17 describes the last Rapture, the one on the Day of the Lord.

It says, "lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, AND HAVE WASHED THEIR ROBES (i.e., the foolish virgin Laodiceans), AND MADE THEM WHITE IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

Of that time, Jer_30:6 says, "Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?"

The Rapture in I Thess 4:13-18 is the FIRST-TRUMP Rapture. At that time, no one is made immortal. Then how are they raised? INCORRUPTIBLE.

The Rapture in I Cor 15:51-54 is the LAST-TRUMP Rapture. At that time, all are made immortal, even Paul, who was caught up in the first Rapture. Read the following scriptures carefully, and I hope you will see what I mean.

AT THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE, WE WILL BE RAISED IN INCORRUPTION, AND WILL BE PROMISED IMMORTALITY, BUT WILL NOT YET BE ACTUALLY IMMORTAL, AND THE LORD SAYS, "COMFORT ONE ANOTHER WITH THESE WORDS." EXPECTING TO BE BEHEADED OR TO HAVE YOUR HUSBAND BEHEADED IS NOT COMFORTING.

1Th 4:13-18 says, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye SORROW NOT, even as others which have no hope (BUT WE HAVE HOPE). 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him (that includes my husband Ed). 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (phthano, precede, be before) them which are asleep (only from our point of view, Ed is awake, when he visited me in his celestial body, he had gotten with both his family and my family, they are actually awake, but are as if they are asleep to us at the present time). 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD (i.e., the FIRST TRUMP of God): and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore COMFORT ONE ANOTHER WITH THESE WORDS."

1Th_5:11 repeats that, saying, "COMFORT YOURSELVES TOGETHER, and edify one another, even as also ye do."

THERE ARE DIFFERENT RANKS IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION

1Co 15:20-24 says, "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits (i.e., the first rank) of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own ORDER (TAGMATI, RANK OR SUCCESSION): (1) Christ (2) the firstfruits; (3) afterward they that are Christ's at his coming (PAROUSIA, BEING NEAR, SPECIFICALLY TO PUNISH JERUSALEM, i.e., on the Day of God's Wrath, the great and terrible DAY OF THE LORD). 24 Then cometh the end (i.e., the Second Advent 7 months later, Eze 39:11-13), when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power" (i.e., at the battle of Armageddon, which takes place after the Second Advent 7 months after the Day of the Lord).

Eze 39:11-13 says, "And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog. 12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. 13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (i.e., at the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."

AT THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE, "ALL" (INCLUDING PAUL, WHO WAS CAUGHT UP IN THE FIRST RAPTURE) "MUST PUT ON IMMORTALITY"

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall ALL BE CHANGED, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and WE SHALL BE CHANGED. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, AND this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption (i.e., at either Rapture), and this mortal shall have put on immortality (i.e., at the last Rapture), then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

WHAT HAPPENS TO THE UNWISE SERVANT ON THE DAY OF THE FIRST RAPTURE?

Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant (the unwise) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (i.e., the Great Tribulation) with the unbelievers."

Mat 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion (i.e., the Great Tribulation) with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

WE NEED WHITE ROBES

Mat 22:10-14 says, "So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. 11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 14 For MANY ARE CALLED, BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN."

WHEN THE FIRST RAPTURE TAKES PLACE, THE TEN KINGS HAVE "RECEIVED NO KINGDOM AS YET"

Dan_7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are TEN KINGS that shall arise: and another (i.e., the False Prophet) shall rise AFTER THEM; and he shall be diverse from the first (i.e., the first beast, the Antichrist), and he shall subdue three kings."

Rev 17:12-14 says, "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast."14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and THEY THAT ARE WITH HIM (i.e., then the first Rapture has already taken place) ARE CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL."

In The Revelation of Jesus Christ, there are two "COME UP HITHER"s.

THE FIRST RAPTURE, BEFORE THE 7-SEALED BOOK IS GIVEN TO CHRIST

Rev 4:1-4 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter (i.e., after the First-Trump Rapture). 2 And immediately I was (ginomai, became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one (Jesus/God) sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (last stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (first stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is the first, LORD of the Old Testament and Lord of the New Testament): and there was a rainbow (i.e., Saturn's rings) round about the throne (on Saturn), in sight like unto an emerald (Judah's stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah). 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats (thrones): and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold."

We will be caught up at the same time the 24 elders, including John, are caught up to Heaven.

Rev. 5:8-10 says, "...saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, on or over) the earth."

THE LAST RAPTURE, ON THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD, BUT BEFORE SATAN'S ASTEROID WORMWOOD HITS EARTH

Rev 11:11-13 says, "And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them (the two witnesses, Moses and Elijah), and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

GOD WILL WIPE AWAY THEIR TEARS

Rev_7:17 says, "For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

Rev_21:4 says, "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

WHAT WILL BE TAKING PLACE ON EARTH?

Rev 8:10-12 says, "And the third angel sounded, and THERE FELL A GREAT STAR FROM HEAVEN, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. 12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise."

Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? (i.e., the asteroid Wormwood) 17 Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. 18 He will surely VIOLENTLY TURN AND TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL INTO A LARGE COUNTRY (i.e., BABYLON, NEAR THE EUPHRATES RIVER): THERE SHALT THOU DIE, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. 19 And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

Rev 18:21 says,"And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great CITY Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

Rev_19:20 says, "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

Rev_20:10 says, "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." Agape

HIS REPLY

Lyle Cooper (8 June 2013)
"RE: letter my Marilyn dated 7th of June"
RE: Marilyn Agee: 6 Jun, referencing Gary B’s post of 4 June

I am astounded. I don't know any other way to say it. Here is a quote from this letter. "That can't be true. The foolish virgins are on earth after the First-Trump Rapture. They are members of all nations. The Laodiceans that do not repent are on earth after the First-Trump Rapture. They are members of all nations. Scripture says that people "OF ALL NATIONS" are caught up to Heaven in the Last-Trump Rapture. Maybe you skipped from reading about the 144,000 Israelites in Rev 7:8 to Rev 7:14. Here are the verses in between."

I have never heard of a "First-Trump Rapture." I don’t think the Apostle Paul has heard of it either. Please show us the scriptures for this new rapture. Here is what Paul – the ONLY writer of the bible with revelation about the rapture – wrote about trumpets associated with the rapture:

1 Thes. 4
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

Here Paul does not give us any information about which trumpet.

1 Cor. 15
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Therefore I submit that the ONLY rapture concerning the church will come at the “LAST trump.” Paul does not tell us of another rapture for the church. The bible gives us no hint of another rapture for the church. Why then, do we have believers believing in a second rapture?

Please, doves, help me out here; show me some scripture! There is a hint of another rapture, but that is for the 144,000 JEWS that were sealed for their protection during the trumpet judgments. The next time John saw them, they were around the throne in heaven. There is no hint that they were martyred, so our only guess is that they were raptured to heaven as firstfruits of the Jews. I use "Jews" here loosely to mean all sons of Jacob. Many people believe Paul is referencing the last long and final trumpet blast at the feast of trumpets, for it is called "the last trump." This is the Jewish feast of Rosh Hashanah. It is one feast that the date is always unknown: no one knows the day, because it is dependant on seeing the new moon.

"Yom Teruah is the only festival that no man knows when exactly it will occur. This is due to the fact that it begins on the new moon. The new moon was sanctified when two witnesses see the new moon and attest to it before the Sanhedrin in the Temple." http://watch.pair.com/rosh-hashana.html

This last trumpet blast is not associated in any way with the 7 trumpets of Revelation. It is associated with the feast of Rosh Hashanah. This last trumpet blast will be sounded at least 3 1/2 years before Revelation's 7th trumpet that marks the exact midpoint of the 70th week.

Also note, Paul wrote that this was a "mystery." In other words, nothing written before this time could be about the rapture, else it would not be a "mystery." So many Christians believe the gathering of the elect in Matthew 24 is speaking of the rapture. If this gathering was about the rapture of the church, Paul could not have written that his rapture was a mystery. The truth is, the Matthew 24 gathering is not about the church. The rapture gathers people from around the earth; this gathering spoken of by Jesus gathers people from heaven and the earth. It is God bringing all of Jacob back to Israel; perhaps for the great judgment of the nations.

Jesus was very clear; some that are called "Christian" will be considered by God to be lukewarm, and will be left behind. I personally believe all those not watching for His coming will be left behind. He is coming for those watching for Him. If there are some doves that believe in their heart that they will see the antichrist first – please tell the rest of us doves: can you possibly be watching for His coming with all your heart when you believe you will see the antichrist first? I don't know the answer to this question, so I am asking. Make no mistake: the Day of the Lord and the 70th week FOLLOW the rapture. This is both John's and Paul's chronology. John is also very clear, the wrath of God and the wrath of Satan will be happening AT THE SAME TIME, running concurrently. Therefore, the prewrath theory is in error. John's chronology is God-given and cannot be rearranged. Any theory that must rearrange the chronology of Revelation is immediately suspect, and will be proven wrong. Yours, Lyle

MY REPLY

From: Marilyn Agee > > I have never heard of a “First-Trump Rapture.” I don’t think the Apostle Paul has heard of it either. Please show us the scriptures for this new rapture. Here is what Paul – the ONLY writer of the bible with revelation about the rapture – wrote about trumpets associated with the rapture:

> > 1 Thes. 4
> > 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

> > Here Paul does not give us any information about which trumpet.

> > 1 Cor. 15
> > 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

> > Therefore I submit that the ONLY rapture concerning the church will come at the “LAST trump.”

But, Lyle, you can't have a "LAST trump" without a first trump.

The word "last", adjective, means: "Coming after all others in time or order; final"

You quoted both scriptures yourself. I Thess 4:16 says "with the TRUMPET of God". That is the FIRST TRUMP.

I Cor. 15:52 says "at the LAST TRUMPET". That is the LAST TRUMP.

I am hoping for the FIRST TRUMP on the Eastern Orthodox Ascension Day, Thursday, June 13, 2013.

I think the LAST TRUMP will happen on Tishri 1, 5776, Mon. Sept 14, 2015.

I searched the New Testament on eSword for the word "TRUMP". It only appears twice.

FIRST TRUMP

1Th_4:16 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first"

LAST TRUMP

1Co_15:52 says, "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

AT THE FIRST RAPTURE, NO ONE IS MADE IMMORTAL.

AT THE LAST RAPTURE, ALL ARE MADE IMMORTAL.

After the FIRST RAPTURE, all the saints out of every nation sing the NEW SONG.

Rev 5:8-10 says, "...saints. 9 And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."

After the LAST RAPTURE, only the 144,000 Israelites can sing the NEW SONG.

Rev. 14:1-5 says, "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."

In Psalm 149, we read more about the NEW SONG.

Psa 149:1-9 says, "Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a NEW SONG, and his praise in the congregation of saints. 2 Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. 3 Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp. 4 For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation. 5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds. 6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; 7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; 8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; 9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD."

> > John's chronology is God-given and cannot be rearranged.

FIRST RAPTURE IN REVELATION

Rev 4:1 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the FIRST voice which I heard was as it were of a TRUMPET talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

This Rapture comes before the Great Tribulation.

LAST RAPTURE IN REVELATION

This Rapture comes on the last day of the Great Tribulation, the Day of God's Wrath.

Rev 7:14 says, "And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Agape

ASTEROID PROBABLY DESTROYED SODOM AND GOMORRAH SHORTLY BEFORE DAWN JUNE 29, 3123 BC

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,343674,00.html

"Asteroid Destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah"

"Two Englishmen say Assyrian cuneiform tablet proves huge asteroid swept over Earth's surface in 3123 B.C.

"A clay tablet that has baffled scientists for 150 years has been identified as a witness's account of the asteroid suspected of being behind the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

"Researchers who cracked the cuneiform symbols on the Planisphere tablet believe that it recorded an asteroid thought to have been more than half a mile across.

"The tablet, found by Henry Layard in the remains of the library in the royal place at Nineveh in the mid-19th century, is thought to be a 700 B.C. copy of notes made by a Sumerian astronomer watching the night sky."

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