Pro and Con 1728

Posted 6-22-13

STONEHENGE MEGALITHIC CALENDAR


MY SEARCH FOR INFORMATION ABOUT CALENDAR CIRCLES, THE DATE
THE GIZA PYRAMID WAS BUILT, AND INFORMATION ABOUT THE
FORMATION OF THE MOON TURNED UP SOME INTERESTING THINGS

PYRAMID

"...evidence that the dynastic Egyptians did not construct the Great Pyramid of Giza may be found in sediments surrounding the base of the monument, in legends regarding watermarks on the stones halfway up its sides, and in salt incrustations found within. Silt sediments rising to fourteen feet around the base of the pyramid contain many seashells and fossils that have been RADIOCARBON-DATED TO BE NEARLY TWELVE THOUSAND YEARS OLD (i.e., 9987 BC). These sediments could have been deposited in such great quantities only by major sea flooding...In support of this ancient flood scenario, mysterious legends and records tell of watermarks that were clearly visible on the limestone casing stones of the Great Pyramid before those stones were removed by the Arabs. These watermarks were halfway up the sides of the pyramid, or about 400 feet above the present level of the Nile River. Further, when the Great Pyramid was first opened, incrustations of salt an inch thick were found inside. While much of this salt is known to be natural exudation from the stones of the pyramid, chemical analysis has shown that some of the salt has a mineral content consistent with salt from the sea. These salt incrustations, found at a height corresponding to the water level marks left on the exterior, are further evidence that at some time in the distant past the pyramid was submerged halfway up its height."
(http://sacredsites.com/africa/egypt/the_great_pyramid_of_giza.html)

"The Great Pyramid was built in 100 years, from 10,490 BC to 10,390 BC". (http://talc.site88.net/mega.htm)

If that was true, the angels would have had to build it. But, why would they build it? They built megalithic calendar circles with carved stones, but their dwellings were simple. At that time, they were hunter gatherers.

Josephus tells us why the pyramid was built. In Ant. I. II, 3. he said, "Seth...became a virtuous man; and as he was himself of an excellent character, so did he leave children behind him who imitated his virtues...They also were the inventors of that peculiar sort of wisdom which is concerned with the heavenly bodies, and their order. And that their inventions might not be lost before they were sufficiently known, upon Adam's prediction that the world was to be destroyed at one time by the force of fire, and at another time by the violence and quantity of water, they made two pillars; the one of brick, the other of stone: they incribed their discoveries on them both, that in case the pillar of brick should be destroyed by the flood, the pillar of stone might remain, and exhibit those discoveries to mankind; and also inform them that there was another pillar of brick erected by them. Now this remains in the land of Siriad (Egypt) to this day."

The limestone blocks used in the pyramid are full of shells and fossils. They would be old. I think the giants built the pyramid. Enoch was a prophet. He could have furnished the blueprints for construction. The Lord could have given Enoch building plans and all the mathematical information found in it. He seems to be the only one that would know all those things.

If the giants were the workmen who actually cut and placed the stones, it would explain the lack of a topstone. The giants could have refused to put it on, because its height in inches would reveal the year of Christ's Second Advent, 5776, the year Satan will be chained. He knows how much time he has.

Isa 19:19,20 says, "In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD. 20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt"

The pyramid is at the border of upper and lower Egypt.

Psa_118:22 says, "The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner."

Isa_28:16 says, "Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste."

In Mat_21:42, "Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?"

Mar_12:10 says, "The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner".

Luk 20:17 says, "And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner."

Act_4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner."

Eph_2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone".

1Pe_2:6,7 says, "Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner".

Head of the corner can apply two ways. The width of fabric that represented Earth was the one that draped over the back corner of the Tabernacle.

CALENDAR CIRCLES SHOWED FARMERS WHEN TO SOW AND REAP

"Several cultures throughout Europe built stone circles, calendar rings which indicated when farmers should sow and reap. Similar circles of wood were constructed in North America. But the building of these calendar circles started shortly before 3000 B.C."
(http://www.angelfire.com/home/thefaery4/woodcircles.html)

A WOODEN CIRCLE PRECEDED THE STONE CIRCLE AT STONEHENGE

"A complicated pattern of wooden posts was replaced in about 2600 B.C. by 80 dolerite bluestones from Wales."
(http://www.go2inbox.com/infos/?read=199_stonehenge-facts#sthash.S1IqyA3c.dpuf)

"The circle was aligned with the midsummer sunrise, the midwinter sunset, and the most southerly rising and northerly setting of the moon."
http://www.go2inbox.com/infos/?read=199_stonehenge-facts#sthash.S1IqyA3c.dpuf

ANGELS BUILT THE MEGALITHIC CALENDAR CIRCLES THAT WERE BUILT BEFORE ADAM'S TIME, BUT WHO BUILT THOSE AFTER ADAM'S TIME?

The giants could have built some until Og died. Deu_3:11 says, "For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits (13.5 ft) was the length thereof, and four cubits (6 ft) the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man (18")." That bed is proof that there were literal giants.

The oldest megalithic calendar circles found so far are in Gobekli Tepe and Nevali Cori in Turkey. The stone circles at Nevali Cori are dated 500 years after those in Gobekli Tepe.

Gobekli Tepe was buried sometime after 6000 B.C. (http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php?topic=21265.0)

I think the megalithic stone circles at Gobekli Tepe were covered when the Earth was hit by the asteroid that dug the Moon material out of the Pacific Basin. That sloshed water, rocks and soil everywhere. So far, the date of the catastrophe seems to be between 6000 BC and 4043 BC, when Adam was created.

After 2500 BC, the stone-building culture disappeared. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalithic_Temples_of_Malta

Maybe the giants helped build the later ones.

Wikipedia lists these calendar circles and their dates:

"Neolithic
"Circa 5000 BC: Constructions in Portugal (Evora). Emergence of the Atlantic Neolithic period, the age of agriculture along the western shores of Europe during the sixth millennium B.C. culture of La Almagra, Spain near by, perhaps precedent from Africa.
"Circa 4800 BC: Constructions in Brittany (Barnenez) and Poitou (Bougon).
Circa 4400 BC: Constructions in Malta (Skorba temples)."

(Adam was created in 4043 BC. I expected the list to end there, because Adam could determine the seasons by watching the Moon, but it continues.)

WHO BUILT THESE? EITHER THE DATES ARE WRONG OR THERE WERE STILL ANGELS LIVING ON EARTH

There were angels. Gen_6:4 says, "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (i.e., angels) came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

Eph_6:12 says, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

2Pe_2:4,5 says, "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah...".

Some angels are chained. Some are free. Jud_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

"Circa 4000 BC: Constructions in Brittany (Carnac), Portugal (Lisbon), France (central and southern), Corsica, Spain (Galicia), England and Wales.
Circa 3700 BC: Constructions in Ireland (Knockiveagh and elsewhere).
Circa 3600 BC: Constructions in England (Maumbury Rings and Godmanchester), and Malta (Ggantija and Mnajdra temples).
Circa 3500 BC: Constructions in Spain (Malaga and Guadiana), Ireland
(south-west), France (Arles and the north), Sardinia, Sicily, Malta (and
elsewhere in the Mediterranean), Belgium (north-east) and Germany (central and south-west).
Circa 3400 BC: Constructions in Ireland (Newgrange), Netherlands (north-east), Germany (northern and central), Sweden and Denmark.
Circa 3300 BC: Constructions in France (Carnac stones)
Circa 3200 BC: Constructions in Malta (Hagar Qim and Tarxien).
Circa 3000 BC: Constructions in France (Saumur, Dordogne, Languedoc, Biscay, and the Mediterranean coast), Spain (Los Millares), Sicily, Belgium (Ardennes), and Orkney, as well as the first henges (circular earthworks) in Britain."

"Chalcolithic
"Circa 2500 BC: Constructions in Brittany (Le Menec, Kermario and elsewhere), Italy (Otranto), Sardinia, and Scotland (northeast), plus the climax of the megalithic Bell-beaker culture in Iberia, Germany, and the British Isles (stone circle at Stonehenge). With the bell-beakers, the Neolithic period gave way to the Chalcolithic, the age of copper.
Circa 2400 BC: The Bell-beaker culture was dominant in Britain, and hundreds of smaller stone circles were built in the British Isles at this time.

"Bronze Age
"Circa 2000 BC: Constructions in Brittany (Er Grah), Italy (Bari), Sicily (Cava dei Servi, Cava Lazzaro), Sardinia (northern), and Scotland (Callanish). The Chalcolithic period gave way to the Bronze Age in western and northern Europe.
Circa 1800 BC: Constructions in Italy (Giovinazzo).
Circa 1500 BC: Constructions in Portugal (Alter Pedroso and Mourela).
Circa 1200 BC: Last vestiges of the megalithic tradition in the Mediterranean and elsewhere CAME TO AN END during the general population upheaval known to ancient history as the Invasions of the Sea Peoples."
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalith)

It looks like the Lord's Lunar Calendar was only given to the Hebrews. Others still used megalithic calendar circles until 1200 BC.

THE ANGELIC CONSTRUCTION BEFORE ADAM ENDED WITH THE CATASTROPHE THAT PRODUCED THE MOON

"A Huge Chunk Of Earth, Blasted Away In A Collision, Is Now The Moon
...moon could have been made from Earth parts....
By Rebecca Boyle, 10.17.2012
(http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-10/updated-theory-huge-chunk-earth-blasted-away-collision-now-moon)

"New simulations of a crash between Earth and a protoplanetary sister long ago could have produced a moon that's chemically similar to our planet....

"...the moon and the Earth have identical isotopes of key elements, proving the moon was made from Earth's mantle....

"In their computer simulations...it all works out. The moon can form from mostly Earth material, and a faster-spinning proto-Earth can lose some angular momentum thanks to tidal interactions with the sun, explaining its slower-than-expected speed.

"In this animation, Earth and Theia are represented by the agglomerations of particles. Earth is spinning super-fast--its day is only 2.3 hours long. Theia, which has about half the mass of Mars, careens toward Earth at 44,740 MPH. It penetrates all the way to Earth's core and excavates a massive hole in our planet, throwing material out in the process. Theia is mostly vaporized, along with part of our planet, and the iron from its core merges with Earth's core.

"Some material escapes Earth and forms a huge disk around it. The disk has almost no iron, but is made mostly of Earthly material. This would explain the moon's composition, which...(nearly) matches that of Earth.

"...our moon-formation theories may be spot on.

Well, I know the Moon rocks came from Earth, and that Satan's planet Rahab split up, but digging a hole to the core of Earth? Is that extreme possible? There is a large difference in iron content between Earth and its Moon. The Moon and earth's crust have about the same materials and density, except that many volatiles evaporated and escaped into space, but the Moon doesn't have a heavy iron core.

The Moon probably has an iron core about one quarter of its radius. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_the_Moon)

Radioactive dating of Moon rocks shows that they are the same age as the Earth. (http://physics.lakeheadu.ca/courses/Astro/2310/Earth-Sun-Moon/Origins.htm)

Of the terrestrial planets, only Earth has a large Moon. Mars has a couple of asteroids orbiting it, but Mercury and Venus have no moon. Truly, God made the Earth and its Moon for man.

Isa 51:9,10 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old (i.e., before Adam). Art thou not it that hath cut (lit. split) Rahab (Satan's planet, now our Asteroid Belt), and wounded the dragon (Satan)? 10 Art thou not it which hath dried the sea, the waters of the great deep".

"Apollo lunar samples carried an isotopic signature IDENTICAL to Earth rocks, but different from other Solar system bodies....Published in 2012, an analysis of titanium isotopes in Apollo lunar samples showed that the Moon has the same composition as the Earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaccretion_hypothesis#Accretion)

"The samples of pyroclastic glasses are of green, yellow, and red tints. The difference in color indicates the concentration of titanium that the rock possesses, with the green particles having the lowest concentrations (about 1%), and red particles having the highest concentrations (up to 14%)." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_the_Moon)

"Moon's interior water casts doubt on formation theory"
By Jason Palmer
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13545848)

"An analysis of sediments brought back by the Apollo 17 mission has shown that the Moon's interior holds far more water than previously thought.

The analysis, reported in Science, has looked at pockets of volcanic material locked within tiny glass beads.

It found 100 times more water in the beads than has been measured before, and suggests that the Moon once held a Caribbean Sea-sized volume of water."

The glass beads would have solidified in the air near Earth, where there was plenty of water, before landing on the Moon. It took some time for the Moon to be formed by accretion.

Then the time between the catastrophe and Adam had to be long enough for the Moon material to coalesce, possibly within a month, but in no more than a century.

AFTER THE HEBREWS WERE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTHS JUST BY OBSERVING THE CRESCENT MOON, THERE WAS NO NEED FOR THEM TO BUILD MEGALITHIC CALENDAR CIRCLES

Gen 1:14-16 says, "God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for SEASONS, and for DAYS, and YEARS: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also."

It seems that angels were stronger than men. It was ok for the angels to build calendar circles, but man needed a less stressful way of telling when to plant and harvest. Our backs are easily ruined, as I found out the hard way. I have one disk that doesn't even show up on an X-ray.

The Hebrew months were set by observing each new crescent moon, with an additional month added every two or three years to correct for the difference between twelve lunar months and the solar year.

How did they know when to add a 13th month? There had to be abib barley by the Feast of Firstfruits. Abib barley must be more developed than tender green ears. If not, an extra month was added to keep Passover, Unleavened Bread and Firstfruits in the spring. It was added 7 times in their 19-year cycle. Years 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17, and 19 are leap years.

"The average length of a month is 29.530594 days, extremely close to the mean synodic month (time from new Moon to next new Moon) of 29.530588 days. Such is the accuracy that more than 13,800 years elapse before a single day discrepancy between the calendar's average reckoning of the start of months and the mean time of the new Moon. Alignment with the solar year is better than the Julian calendar, but inferior to the Gregorian. The average length of a year is 365.2468 days compared to the actual solar tropical year (time from equinox to equinox) of 365.24219 days, so the calendar accumulates one day of error with respect to the solar year every 216 years." (http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/calendar/)

Festivals of Firstfruits, Pentecost and Tabernacles mark certain cycles of their planting and harvesting.

In Israel today, the Hebrew Calendar is an official calendar for civil purposes and provides a time frame for agriculture. Aviv, the first month, now called Nisan, means spring, and it must stay spring.

UNDERSTANDING THE MYSTERIOUS "RUJM-EL-HIRI" IN THE GOLAN HEIGHTS

The RUJM-EL-HIRI (as it is called on Syrian maps) is a set of concentric circles in Israel's Golan Heights. In Arabic, it is called "Stone Heap of the Wildcat," but in Hebrew, it is called "Gigal Rephaim," wheel of the giants. (http://www.geobiology.co.il/Articles/Mysteries_RUJM.asp)

"Some believe the site was used an as ancient calendar. Although the site could not be used to calculate an exact date, it was sufficient for the people's needs. At the times of the two equinoxes, the sun's rays would pass between two rocks, 2m in height, 5m in width, at the eastern edge of the compound." (http://www.bible-history.com/links.php?cat=49&sub=4749)

It is in the middle of a large plateau covered with hundreds of dolmen stones. It is dated by archaeologists as Early Bronze Age II, 3000–2700 BC.

It has gotten a little beat up over the years, but I think I know what it represents. It is simply what Ezekiel saw in the sky in Eze 1 and 10. The hill in the center represents the Sun. The four concentric circles around it represent the orbits of the four terrestrial planets.

ARE THE WATCHERS ANGELS? WHO IS THE HOLY ONE THAT CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN?

Strong's: a watcher, i.e. an angel (as guardian).

In the Book of Daniel 4:13, 17, 23 there are three references to the class of "watcher, holy one" (watcher, Aramaic iyr; holy one, Aramaic qaddiysh). The term is introduced by Nebuchadnezzar who says he saw "a watcher, a holy one come down (singular verb) from heaven." The singular verb indicates that "a watcher, a holy one" are two titles for the same being or class of beings." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watcher_(angel)

Is that correct?

Dan 4:13-17 says, "I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a WATCHER (iyr, Chaldean, an angel) AND AN HOLY ONE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN; 14 HE (not they) cried aloud, and said thus (concerning Nebuchadnezzar), Hew down the tree, and cut off his branches, shake off his leaves, and scatter his fruit: let the beasts get away from under it, and the fowls from his branches: 15 Nevertheless leave the stump of his roots in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his (Nebuchadnezzar's) portion be with the beasts in the grass of the earth: 16 Let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him. 17 This matter is by the DECREE (gezerah, decree to cut down) OF THE WATCHERS (iyr, guardians, i.e., angels), and the demand by the word of THE HOLY ONES: to the intent that the living may know that THE MOST HIGH RULETH IN THE KINGDOM OF MEN, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men."

Dan_4:23 says, "And whereas the king saw A WATCHER AND AN HOLY ONE COMING DOWN FROM HEAVEN, and saying, Hew the tree down, and destroy it; yet leave the stump of the roots thereof in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven times pass over him".

In "the Book of Giants," (not Scripture) the combined stories tell us that at TWO separate times there were two groups of angels that left their habitat in heaven to come to the earth to have sex with human women. The first group numbered 700 prior to the flood of Noah. After the flood another 200 also came to 'mingle' with the women. In particular there were EIGHT ANGELS in which God holds responsible for luring the other 192 angels away from their habitat. THESE EIGHT ARE KNOWN AS 'THE WATCHERS' and are mentioned by name in the manuscript. The story goes on to say that the Watchers, realizing their mistake, tried to get back on God's good side by teaching things to the humans such as 'metallurgy', and something referred to as 'enhancements'. This word 'enhancements' seems to suggest that the angels taught humans 'magical' things. It is unclear what their duties were in heaven but it is very clear that God was deeply upset by their choice to leave" (i.e., they left their own habitation, the planet Rahab) (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/In_the_Bible_who_are_the_watchers)

Jer 4:16,17 says, "Make ye mention to the nations; behold, publish against Jerusalem, that WATCHERS come from a far country (i.e., Heaven), and give out their voice against the cities of Judah. 17 As KEEPERS (SHAMAR, OBSERVERS) OF A FIELD, ARE THEY AGAINST HER ROUND ABOUT; because she hath been rebellious against me, saith the LORD."

Mat_13:38 says, "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one".

So, it looks like watchers, "children of the wicked one" (Satan) come to Earth to try to regain the field, which is the world, as their own.

Dan_4:17 (KJV) says, "This matter is by the decree (gezerah, Chaldean, decree to cut down) of the WATCHERS (fallen angels), and the demand (shela, a question at law, a judicial decision, demand) by the word of the HOLY ONES (holy angels): to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men."

Green's Interlinear says, "This matter (is) by the decree of the watchers, AND the command by the word of the holy ones - so that the living may know that the most High rules in the kingdom of men". This sounds like there are decrees of the watchers (unholy angels), and commands of the holy ones (holy angels).

So the watchers accuse men. Job 1:6,7 says, "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."

The angels have already been tried and sentenced. They must have appealed the sentence.

Heb_2:2 and 5 say, "For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;...5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak."

Watchers are fallen angels, keepers (OBSERVERS) of the world. They observe us to accuse us to the Lord. They failed in their test when they could see God, and they want us to fail in our test even though we cannot see God.

TWO POSTS ON FIVE DOVES, Patti C. AND JFH, Re: 2 resurrections

jfh (22 June 2013) "To: Patti C re: 2 resurrections"

THE FIRST AND SECOND RESURRECTIONS

The most important thing to understand is that the First and Second Resurrections are not events, but rather categories with a 1,000 years between them. Actually, the resurrections have nothing to do with the Rapture, other than the raptured Church will be part of the First Resurrection. Jesus was the first fruits of the First Resurrection, but the First Resurrection also includes the Old Testament saints that rose with Him, His Bride the raptured Church, the Two Witnesses, the 144,000 and the Tribulation saints. These groups make up the category of the First Resurrection and will rule with Christ 1,000 years.

As stated in Daniel 12:1 "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." we can see that the timing is the ending days of the Great Tribulation and what happens at the second coming of Christ. And then in Daniel 12:2 we see the division of the two categories. They may seem to be happening at the same time, but there is 1,000 years between them.

Dan 12:2 "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt."

It is all related to the first and second deaths as stated in Rev. 20:6

" Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

The first death is a physical death, when the soul is separated from the body. The second death is when the soul is separated from God. [I concur]

Those who are part of the First Resurrection cannot be separated from God, so the second death has no power over them. They will reign with Him for 1,000 years. Those who are raised to life after the 1,000 years will experience the second death and be separated from God for eternity.

I think this has something to do with the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse. The first horse is white and I believe it was the white horse going out after John's death in the Holy Spirit. "Not by might nor by Power"

The Red horse went out when with the Crusaders taking the sword to recapture Jerusalem.

The Black and Pale horses were the result of using their weapons of warfare.

Rapture of the Bride, the Church, is the next event....it is an event and also a category. All born again Christians from the beginning of the Church until it happens, will be caught up with Jesus in the air. They will be part of the First [2nd] Resurrection.

Also, you mentioned the wise and foolish virgins, I see it very differently than you.

The wise virgins are the born again Christians who have given their lives to Christ and therefore have the oil of the Holy Spirit. These wise virgins were Jews, everyone of them. They were commanded to take the Good News to the Gentiles. Paul, a Jew and a Pharisee was the first.

The foolish virgins are the Jews, who worshiped the One true God, but did not accept Christ as their Messiah, therefore not being filled with the Holy Spirit, as the only way to be filled with the Holy Spirit is through Christ.

They will go into the Tribulation, but they will be saved, if they become believers and are born again. This applies to everyone that goes through tribulation at any time. When they receive Christ as Lord and Savior and ask to be indwelt by the Holy Spirit and believe they do receive by Faith.

You remember John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit from his mother's womb.God, in the old testament filled certain ones to be scribes, priests, prophets and judges. They weren't continually filled but at certain times.

I hope I have not offended you in anyway, JFH.
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From: Patti C:

Thank you once again for helping me clarify my own thoughts on the matter. You are forgiven before you even ask by me. You just presented a challenge for me again to respond and exhort. May we all be blessed by the reading of HIS WORD. jfh
Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life!!!

YSIC, Patti C.
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From: jfh (22 June 2013)
"To: Patti C re: 2 resurrections"

Patti, I've read through this and agree with you about when the first resurrection occurred: when Jesus arose and the saints arose with him. The second resurrection being when Jesus comes for his bride. Is that what you mean?

I believe that at Pentecost his followers began to rule and reign with him on earth until he comes again. That timing is now almost 2,000 years.

The first believers were Jews. When he comes again it will constitute believers from all tribes of the earth; Jew and Gentile.

That second resurrection is the Rapture. We will all be changed. This corruptible body will slough off the physical and received a new body to live in the New Jerusalem, which is not this earth. God's kingdom is not of this world. God is a spirit: Holy Spirit. Jesus was his earthly form called Emmanuel, or God with us.

1 Cor. 15:52-54 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

I believe that many think there is more than one resurrection at the end of time or 6,000 years. No one gets a second chance. You have faith to believe before you receive: That's the blessed hope. Once you've seen what else is there to believe?

Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

MY REPLY TO PATTI C. AND JFH

> > Patti C: "The most important thing to understand is that the First and Second Resurrections are not events, but rather categories with a 1,000 years between them. Actually, the resurrections have nothing to do with the Rapture"

> > jfh: "I believe that many think there is more than one resurrection at the end of time or 6,000 years. No one gets a second chance. You have faith to believe before you receive: That's the blessed hope. Once you've seen what else is there to believe?"

From: Marilyn Agee

MY BELIEFS, THERE ARE TWO RESURRECTIONS, AND THE FOOLISH LAODICEAN VIRGINS DO GET A SECOND CHANCE

Joh_5:29 says, "And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto THE RESURRECTION OF LIFE; and they that have done evil, unto THE RESURRECTION OF DAMNATION."

A THREE-PART EVENT: THE FIRST RESURRECTION, "THE RESURRECTION OF LIFE"

Luk_14:14 says, "And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just."

Rom_6:5 says, "For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection".

The First Resurrection has three stages, three definite events. At the Last-Trump Rapture, most of them have gotten a second chance. They know that the First-Trump Rapture actually took place. Those that are caught up in the First-Trump Rapture take it by faith. They believe in Christ, what he said, and whatever appears in Scripture. If it says it, they believe it. I am one of those.

1. Resurrection of Jesus and some saints that came out of their graves and were seen in Jerusalem on Sunday, Nisan 16, 3790, April 9, 30 AD

Mat_27:53 says, "And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."

2. First-Trump Rapture, FIRST CHANCE, wise-virgin saints, wearing white robes, i.e., filled with the Holy Spirit, probably caught up as soon as Satan and his fallen angels are cast out of Heaven

I Thess 4:16-18 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

Rev 5:8-10 says, "...saints. 9 And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God KINGS AND PRIESTS: AND WE SHALL REIGN ON THE EARTH."

Joh_20:29 says, "blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."

Rev_1:3 says, "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."

3. Last-Trump Rapture, LAST CHANCE, foolish-virgin saints, washed their robes in the blood of Christ, the 144,000 Israelites, and a great multitude of other Tribulation saints, caught up on the Day of God's Wrath, probably on the Feast of Trumpets, Mon. Sept. 14, 2015

I Cor 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

Rev 7:9 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands"

Rev 7:14 says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

Rev 14:1-5 says, "I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."

Rev_20:5,6 says, "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but THEY SHALL BE PRIESTS OF GOD AND OF CHRIST, AND SHALL REIGN WITH HIM A THOUSAND YEARS."

AN EVENT: THE LAST RESURRECTION, "THE RESURRECTION OF DAMNATION"

The last Resurrection will be at the end of the Millenium. Luk 1:31-33 says, "JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and OF HIS KINGDOM THERE SHALL BE NO END."

Rev_22:5 "And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and THEY SHALL REIGN FOR EVER AND EVER" Agape

A POST ON FIVE DOVES

Donna Danna (19 June 2013)
"Imminent: Israel's Capitulation to the Vatican"

Agreements with the Vatican are capitulation to their plans for the Old City and the Temple Mount - or should we say the "Holy Basin". A long-awaited agreement between the Vatican and Israel appears to be near finality.

The two main points revolve around the Church's requests to build two centers in Israel: a church in a section of the Caesaria National Park where a site dedicated to Paul once stood, and the use of a plot on Mount Zion in Jerusalem.

The structure on Mt. Zion, the highest point of Jerusalem, is known as the Cenacle, where the Last Supper is believed to have taken place, and according to the deal which will be signed in the coming months, it will become open to Catholic worship once again.

The Vatican asks Israel to allow the Church to build a passageway through the Diaspora Yeshiva, which takes care of the area known as David's Tomb, and to enable thousands of Christian worshipers to access the Last Supper Room more easily.

The area has strategic value, since it is a few hundred yards from the Temple Mount, so the Catholic Church will turn it into the international center for Catholics all around the world.

Read more at: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/13430#.Ub7xKxjD8fQ

MY REPLY

Thanks much for this information. Please keep us posted when you find anything else about this. Agape

More:
"We have to remember that in 2002, the "Franciscan Custody of the Holy Land" criticized the demand by the U.S. Congress that Jerusalem be recognized as the capital of Israel, calling it "a decision that does not respect Israeli-Palestinian peace talks".

Those who will be in charge of the Cenacle on Mount Zion have been among the most ardent partisans of a Palestinian Arab State.

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