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Posted 8-11-13

ANOTHER OF GOD'S WONDERFUL CREATIONS, A SEA PEN

A POST ON FIVE DOVES, RE: Bill Griese (10 Aug 2013) "Reply to Marilyn Agee"

Reply to Marilyn Agee
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2013/marilyna88-2.htm
My previous post: http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2013/billg86.htm

Hi Marilyn,

I have to point out some things before we finally agree to disagree, as you said.

Per the Blue Letter Bible, the word "Saints" (g40 Link) in Rev 5:8 is an adjective, not a noun. "Prayers" (g4335) is the noun that "Saints" describes. There aren't Saints in this verse, just "the prayers of the saints". "They" who sing a new song in 5:9 would apply to the 4 Living Creatures and the 24 Elders in Rev 5:8. I agree with the ESV translation over the KJV in this passage.

Rev 5:8-10 ESV "And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation, and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth."

Rev 5:11-14 ESV "Then I looked, and I heard around the throne and the living creatures and the elders, the voice of many angels, numbering myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice, "Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing!" And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, "To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!" And the four living creatures said, "Amen!" and the elders fell down and worshiped."

1 Thess 4:13-18 refers to the Main Pre-Wrath Rapture event, the "Gathering together of the Elect" at the Sixth Seal (Rev 6:12-17, Rev 7:9-17, Matt 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27), because of the phrase "unto the Coming of the Lord" and because "the dead in Christ" are not raised at the earlier "Open Door" Rapture event, which I believe is a secret event that will go unnoticed by the world. The "Open Door" is not a duplicate "Gathering together of the Elect" which is why scripture gives them different names. The Apostle John (Rev 4:1-2, A.D. 90's) and the Apostle Paul (2 Cor 12:2-4) were both caught up through an "Open Door" that didn't necessitate the Lord Jesus Christ coming back in the sky.

At the "Gathering together of the Elect" we see the Unsaved trying to hide themselves, even telling the rocks to fall on them to hide them from the wrath of the Lamb. It's too late because they have already received the Mark of the Beast. Try placing this event prior to the Mark of the Beast. Why would anyone follow Antichrist and take his Mark after seeing Christ come in the sky? Therefore, the "Open Door" will be unseen by the unsaved world. The "Open Door" is to escape the persecution of Antichrist by the "worthy to escape" per the Lord Jesus Christ (Rev 3:8,10 and Luke 21:34-36). The Dead in Christ don't need to escape the persecution of the Antichrist.

1 Thess 4:13-18 KJV "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again (i.e. All Born Again Christians), even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him (Again, same criteria). For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the Coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God (not an Open Door): and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the Air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

The Apostle Paul was caught up to the third heaven in 2 Cor 12:2-4. In verse 4, he tells us he learned things he was not allowed to share.

2 Cor 12:2-4 KJV "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

It's my opinion that the "Gathering together of the Elect" was given to the Apostle Paul to explain, but he was kept from explaining the "Open Door" because the destruction of Jerusalem had not happened yet. The "Open Door" was not explained until after 70 A.D., so the Christians in Jerusalem would not be confused about their instructions to flee per the Lord Jesus Christ, in the Olivet Discourse. The "Open Door" was reserved to be explained by the Lord Jesus Christ to the Apostle John in Revelation chapters 2 & 3 in the letters to the Seven Churches, as well as being alluded to by the Lord in Luke 21:34-36. Please don't ignore the instructions to always Repent and be Ready.
YBIC, Bill Griese

MY REPLY

> > Per the Blue Letter Bible, the word "Saints" (g40 Link) in Rev 5:8 is an adjective, not a noun. "Prayers" (g4335) is the noun that "Saints" describes. There aren't Saints in this verse, just "the prayers of the saints". "They" who sing a new song in 5:9 would apply to the 4 Living Creatures and the 24 Elders in Rev 5:8.

Not to me. The word hagios is used to mean saints throughout the New Testament.

Rev_5:8 AndG2532 whenG3753 he had takenG2983 theG3588 book,G975 theG3588 fourG5064 beastsG2226 andG2532 four and twentyG1501 G5064 eldersG4245 fell downG4098 beforeG1799 theG3588 Lamb,G721 havingG2192 every one of themG1538 harps,G2788 andG2532 goldenG5552 vialsG5357 fullG1073 of odours,G2368 whichG3739 areG1526 theG3588 prayersG4335 of saints.G40

Rev 5:9 AndG2532 they (i.e., the SAINTS) sungG103 a newG2537 song,G5603 saying,G3004 Thou artG1488 worthyG514 to takeG2983 theG3588 book,G975 andG2532 to openG455 theG3588 sealsG4973 thereof:G848 forG3754 thou wast slain,G4969 andG2532 hast redeemedG59 usG2248 to GodG2316 byG1722 thyG4675 bloodG129 out ofG1537 everyG3956 kindred,G5443 andG2532 tongue,G1100 andG2532 people,G2992 andG2532 nation;G1484

Rev 5:10 AndG2532 hast madeG4160 usG2248 unto ourG2257 GodG2316 kingsG935 andG2532 priests:G2409 andG2532 we shall reignG936 onG1909 theG3588 earth.G1093

Rev_8:3 AndG2532 anotherG243 angelG32 cameG2064 andG2532 stoodG2476 atG1909 theG3588 altar,G2379 havingG2192 a goldenG5552 censer;G3031 andG2532 there was givenG1325 unto himG846 muchG4183 incense,G2368 thatG2443 he should offerG1325 it with theG3588 prayersG4335 of allG3956 saintsG40 uponG1909 theG3588 goldenG5552 altarG2379 whichG3588 was beforeG1799 theG3588 throne.G2362

Rev_8:4 AndG2532 theG3588 smokeG2586 of theG3588 incense,G2368 which came with theG3588 prayersG4335 of theG3588 saints,G40 ascended upG305 beforeG1799 GodG2316 out ofG1537 theG3588 angel'sG32 hand.G5495

Strong’s G40 hagios
sacred (physically pure, morally blameless or religious, ceremonially consecrated): - (MOST) HOLY (ONE), SAINT.

THE WORD HAGIOS G40 IS USED TO MEAN SAINTS THROUGHOUT THE NEW TESTAMENT. HERE IS THE LIST:

Mat_27:52 AndG2532 theG3588 gravesG3419 were opened;G455 andG2532 manyG4183 bodiesG4983 of theG3588 saintsG40 which sleptG2837 arose,G1453

Act_9:13 ThenG1161 AnaniasG367 answered,G611 Lord,G2962 I have heardG191 byG575 manyG4183 ofG4012 thisG5127 man,G435 how muchG3745 evilG2556 he hath doneG4160 to thyG4675 saintsG40 atG1722 Jerusalem:G2419

Act_9:32 AndG1161 it came to pass,G1096 as PeterG4074 passedG1330 throughoutG1223 allG3956 quarters, he came downG2718 alsoG2532 toG4314 theG3588 saintsG40 which dweltG2730 at Lydda.G3069

Act_9:41 AndG1161 he gaveG1325 herG846 his hand,G5495 and lifted her up,G450 G846 andG1161 when he had calledG5455 theG3588 saintsG40 andG2532 widows,G5503 presentedG3936 herG846 alive.G2198

Act_26:10 Which thingG3739 I alsoG2532 didG4160 inG1722 Jerusalem:G2414 andG2532 manyG4183 of theG3588 saintsG40 did IG1473 shut upG2623 in prison,G5438 having receivedG2983 authorityG1849 fromG3844 theG3588 chief priests;G749 andG5037 when theyG846 were put to death,G337 I gave my voice againstG2702 G5586 them.

Rom_1:7 To allG3956 that beG5607 inG1722 Rome,G4516 belovedG27 of God,G2316 calledG2822 to be saints:G40 GraceG5485 to youG5213 andG2532 peaceG1515 fromG575 GodG2316 ourG2257 Father,G3962 andG2532 the LordG2962 JesusG2424 Christ.G5547

Rom_8:27 AndG1161 he that searchethG2045 theG3588 heartsG2588 knowethG1492 whatG5101 is theG3588 mindG5427 of theG3588 Spirit,G4151 becauseG3754 he maketh intercessionG1793 forG5228 the saintsG40 accordingG2596 to the will of God.G2316

Rom_12:13 DistributingG2841 to theG3588 necessityG5532 of saints;G40 given toG1377 hospitality.G5381

Rom_15:25 ButG1161 nowG3570 I goG4198 untoG1519 JerusalemG2419 to minister untoG1247 theG3588 saints.G40

Rom_15:26 ForG1063 it hath pleasedG2106 them of MacedoniaG3109 andG2532 AchaiaG882 to makeG4160 a certainG5100 contributionG2842 forG1519 theG3588 poorG4434 saintsG40 whichG3588 are atG1722 Jerusalem.G2419

Rom_15:31 ThatG2443 I may be deliveredG4506 fromG575 them that do not believeG544 inG1722 Judaea;G2449 andG2532 thatG2443 myG3450 serviceG1248 whichG3588 I have forG1519 JerusalemG2419 may beG1096 acceptedG2144 of theG3588 saints;G40

Rom_16:2 ThatG2443 ye receiveG4327 herG846 inG1722 the Lord,G2962 as becomethG516 saints,G40 andG2532 that ye assistG3936 herG846 inG1722 whatsoeverG3739 G302 businessG4229 she hath needG5535 of you:G5216 forG1063 sheG3778 hath(G2532) beenG1096 a succourerG4368 of many,G4183 andG2532 of(G1700) myselfG848 also.

Rom_16:15 SaluteG782 Philologus,G5378 andG2532 Julia,G2456 Nereus,G3517 andG2532 hisG848 sister,G79 andG2532 Olympas,G3652 andG2532 allG3956 theG3588 saintsG40 which are withG4862 them.G846

1Co_1:2 Unto theG3588 churchG1577 of GodG2316 which isG5607 atG1722 Corinth,G2882 to them that are sanctifiedG37 inG1722 ChristG5547 Jesus,G2424 calledG2822 to be saints,G40 withG4862 allG3956 that inG1722 everyG3956 placeG5117 call uponG1941 theG3588 nameG3686 of JesusG2424 ChristG5547 ourG2257 Lord,G2962 bothG5037 theirsG848 andG2532 ours:G2257

1Co_6:1 DareG5111 anyG5100 of you,G5216 havingG2192 a matterG4229 againstG4314 another,G2087 go to lawG2919 beforeG1909 theG3588 unjust,G94 andG2532 notG3780 beforeG1909 theG3588 saints?G40

1Co_6:2 Do ye notG3756 knowG1492 thatG3754 theG3588 saintsG40 shall judgeG2919 theG3588 world?G2889 andG2532 ifG1487 theG3588 worldG2889 shall be judgedG2919 byG1722 you,G5213 areG2075 ye unworthyG370 to judge the smallest matters?G2922 G1646

1Co_14:33 ForG1063 GodG2316 isG2076 notG3756 the author of confusion,G181 butG235 of peace,G1515 asG5613 inG1722 allG3956 churchesG1577 of theG3588 saints.G40

1Co_16:1 NowG1161 concerningG4012 theG3588 collectionG3048 forG1519 theG3588 saints,G40 asG5618 I have given orderG1299 to theG3588 churchesG1577 of Galatia,G1053 evenG2532 soG3779 doG4160 ye.G5210

1Co_16:15 (G1161) I beseechG3870 you,G5209 brethren,G80 (ye knowG1492 theG3588 houseG3614 of Stephanas,G4734 thatG3754 it isG2076 the firstfruitsG536 of Achaia,G882 andG2532 that they have addictedG5021 themselvesG1438 toG1519 the ministryG1248 of theG3588 saints,)G40

2Co_1:1 Paul,G3972 an apostleG652 of JesusG2424 ChristG5547 byG1223 the willG2307 of God,G2316 andG2532 TimothyG5095 our brother,G80 unto theG3588 churchG1577 of GodG2316 which isG5607 atG1722 Corinth,G2882 withG4862 allG3956 theG3588 saintsG40 which areG5607 inG1722 allG3650 Achaia:G882

2Co_8:4 PrayingG1189 usG2257 withG3326 muchG4183 intreatyG3874 that weG2248 would receiveG1209 theG3588 gift,G5485 andG2532 take upon us theG3588 fellowshipG2842 of theG3588 ministeringG1248 toG1519 theG3588 saints.G40

2Co_9:1 ForG1063 as touchingG4012(G3303) theG3588 ministeringG1248 toG1519 theG3588 saints,G40 it isG2076 superfluousG4053 for meG3427 to writeG1125 to you:G5213

2Co_9:12 ForG3754 theG3588 administrationG1248 of thisG5026 serviceG3009 notG3756 onlyG3440 suppliethG2076 G4322 theG3588 wantG5303 of theG3588 saints,G40 butG235 is abundantG4052 alsoG2532 byG1223 manyG4183 thanksgivingsG2169 unto God;G2316

2Co_13:13 AllG3956 theG3588 saintsG40 saluteG782 you.G5209

Eph_1:1 Paul,G3972 an apostleG652 of JesusG2424 ChristG5547 byG1223 the willG2307 of God,G2316 to theG3588 saintsG40 which areG5607 atG1722 Ephesus,G2181 andG2532 to the faithfulG4103 inG1722 ChristG5547 Jesus:G2424

Eph_1:15 WhereforeG1223 G5124 I also,G2504 after I heardG191 ofG2596 yourG5209 faithG4102 inG1722 theG3588 LordG2962 Jesus,G2424 andG2532 loveG26 untoG1519 allG3956 theG3588 saints,G40

Eph_1:18 TheG3588 eyesG3788 of yourG5216 understandingG1271 being enlightened;G5461 that yeG5209 may knowG1492 whatG5101 isG2076 theG3588 hopeG1680 of hisG846 calling,G2821 andG2532 whatG5101 theG3588 richesG4149 of theG3588 gloryG1391 of hisG846 inheritanceG2817 inG1722 theG3588 saints,G40

Eph_2:19 NowG686 thereforeG3767 ye areG2075 no moreG3765 strangersG3581 andG2532 foreigners,G3941 butG235 fellowcitizensG4847 with theG3588 saints,G40 andG2532 of the householdG3609 of God;G2316

Eph_3:8 Unto me,G1698 who am less than the leastG1647 of allG3956 saints,G40 is thisG3778 graceG5485 given,G1325 that I should preachG2097 amongG1722 theG3588 GentilesG1484 theG3588 unsearchableG421 richesG4149 of Christ;G5547

Eph_3:18 May be ableG1840 to comprehendG2638 withG4862 allG3956 saintsG40 whatG5101 is theG3588 breadth,G4114 andG2532 length,G3372 andG2532 depth,G899 andG2532 height;G5311

Eph_4:12 ForG4314 theG3588 perfectingG2677 of theG3588 saints,G40 forG1519 the workG2041 of the ministry,G1248 forG1519 the edifyingG3619 of theG3588 bodyG4983 of Christ:G5547

Eph_5:3 ButG1161 fornication,G4202 andG2532 allG3956 uncleanness,G167 orG2228 covetousness,G4124 let it not be once namedG3366 G3687 amongG1722 you,G5213 asG2531 becomethG4241 saints;G40

Eph_6:18 PrayingG4336 alwaysG1223 G3956 G2540 withG1722 allG3956 prayerG4335 andG2532 supplicationG1162 inG1722 the Spirit,G4151 andG2532 watchingG69 thereuntoG1519 G846 G5124 withG1722 allG3956 perseveranceG4343 andG2532 supplicationG1162 forG4012 allG3956 saints;G40

Php_1:1 PaulG3972 andG2532 Timotheus,G5095 the servantsG1401 of JesusG2424 Christ,G5547 to allG3956 theG3588 saintsG40 inG1722 ChristG5547 JesusG2424 which areG5607 atG1722 Philippi,G5375 withG4862 the bishopsG1985 andG2532 deacons:G1249

Php_4:22 AllG3956 theG3588 saintsG40 saluteG782 you,G5209(G1161) chieflyG3122 theyG3588 that are ofG1537 Caesar'sG2541 household.G3614

Col_1:2 To theG3588 saintsG40 andG2532 faithfulG4103 brethrenG80 inG1722 ChristG5547 which are atG1722 Colosse:G2857 GraceG5485 be unto you,G5213 andG2532 peace,G1515 fromG575 GodG2316 ourG2257 FatherG3962 andG2532 the LordG2962 JesusG2424 Christ.G5547

Col_1:4 Since we heardG191 of yourG5216 faithG4102 inG1722 ChristG5547 Jesus,G2424 andG2532 of theG3588 loveG26 which ye(G3588) have toG1519 allG3956 theG3588 saints,G40

Col_1:12 Giving thanksG2168 unto theG3588 Father,G3962 which hath made us meetG2427 G2248 to be partakersG1519 G3310 of theG3588 inheritanceG2819 of theG3588 saintsG40 inG1722 light:G5457

Col_1:26 Even theG3588 mysteryG3466 which hath been hidG613 fromG575 agesG165 andG2532 fromG575 generations,G1074 butG1161 nowG3570 is made manifestG5319 to hisG846 saints:G40

1Th_3:13 To the end he may stablishG4741 yourG5216 heartsG2588 unblameableG273 inG1722 holinessG42 beforeG1715 God,G2316 evenG2532 ourG2257 Father,G3962 atG1722 theG3588 comingG3952 of ourG2257 LordG2962 JesusG2424 ChristG5547 withG3326 allG3956 hisG846 saints.G40

2Th_1:10 WhenG3752 he shall comeG2064 to be glorifiedG1740 inG1722 hisG848 saints,G40 andG2532 to be admiredG2296 inG1722 allG3956 them that believeG4100 (becauseG3754 ourG2257 testimonyG3142 amongG1909 youG5209 was believed)G4100 inG1722 thatG1565 day.G2250

1Ti_5:10 Well reported ofG3140 forG1722 goodG2570 works;G2041 ifG1487 she have brought up children,G5044 ifG1487 she have lodged strangers,G3580 ifG1487 she have washedG3538 the saints'G40 feet,G4228 ifG1487 she have relievedG1884 the afflicted,G2346 ifG1487 she have diligently followedG1872 everyG3956 goodG18 work.G2041

Phm_1:5 HearingG191 of thyG4675 loveG26 andG2532 faith,G4102 whichG3739 thou hastG2192 towardG4314 theG3588 LordG2962 Jesus,G2424 andG2532 towardG1519 allG3956 saints;G40

Phm_1:7 ForG1063 we haveG2192 greatG4183 joyG5485 andG2532 consolationG3874 inG1909 thyG4675 love,G26 becauseG3754 theG3588 bowelsG4698 of theG3588 saintsG40 are refreshedG373 byG1223 thee,G4675 brother.G80

Heb_6:10 ForG1063 GodG2316 is notG3756 unrighteousG94 to forgetG1950 yourG5216 workG2041 andG2532 labourG2873 of love,G26 whichG3739 ye have shewedG1731 towardG1519 hisG846 name,G3686 in that ye have ministeredG1247 to theG3588 saints,G40 andG2532 do minister.G1247

Heb_13:24 SaluteG782 allG3956 them that have the rule overG2233 you,G5216 andG2532 allG3956 theG3588 ssaints.G40 TheyG3588 ofG575 ItalyG2482 saluteG782 you.G5209

Jud_1:3 Beloved,G27 when I gaveG4160 allG3956 diligenceG4710 to writeG1125 unto youG5213 ofG4012 theG3588 commonG2839 salvation,G4991 it was needfulG2192 G318 for me to writeG1125 unto you,G5213 and exhortG3870 you that ye should earnestly contend forG1864 theG3588 faithG4102 which was onceG530 deliveredG3860 unto theG3588 saints.G40

Jud_1:14 AndG1161 EnochG1802 also,G2532 the seventhG1442 fromG575 Adam,G76 prophesiedG4395 of these,G5125 saying,G3004 Behold,G2400 the LordG2962 comethG2064 withG1722 ten thousandsG3461 of hisG848 saints,G40

Rev_5:8 AndG2532 whenG3753 he had takenG2983 theG3588 book,G975 theG3588 fourG5064 beastsG2226 andG2532 four and twentyG1501 G5064 eldersG4245 fell downG4098 beforeG1799 theG3588 Lamb,G721 havingG2192 every one of themG1538 harps,G2788 andG2532 goldenG5552 vialsG5357 fullG1073 of odours,G2368 whichG3739 areG1526 theG3588 prayersG4335 of saints.G40

Rev_8:3 AndG2532 anotherG243 angelG32 cameG2064 andG2532 stoodG2476 atG1909 theG3588 altar,G2379 havingG2192 a goldenG5552 censer;G3031 andG2532 there was givenG1325 unto himG846 muchG4183 incense,G2368 thatG2443 he should offerG1325 it with theG3588 prayersG4335 of allG3956 saintsG40 uponG1909 theG3588 goldenG5552 altarG2379 whichG3588 was beforeG1799 theG3588 throne.G2362

Rev_8:4 AndG2532 theG3588 smokeG2586 of theG3588 incense,G2368 which came with theG3588 prayersG4335 of theG3588 saints,G40 ascended upG305 beforeG1799 GodG2316 out ofG1537 theG3588 angel'sG32 hand.G5495

Rev_11:18 AndG2532 theG3588 nationsG1484 were angry,G3710 andG2532 thyG4675 wrathG3709 is come,G2064 andG2532 theG3588 timeG2540 of theG3588 dead,G3498 that they should be judged,G2919 andG2532 that thou shouldest giveG1325 rewardG3408 unto thyG4675 servantsG1401 theG3588 prophets,G4396 andG2532 to theG3588 saints,G40 andG2532 them that fearG5399 thyG4675 name,G3686 smallG3398 andG2532 great;G3173 andG2532 shouldest destroyG1311 them which destroyG1311 theG3588 earth.G1093

Rev_13:7 AndG2532 it was givenG1325 unto himG846 to makeG4160 warG4171 withG3326 theG3588 saints,G40 andG2532 to overcomeG3528 them:G846 andG2532 powerG1849 was givenG1325 himG846 overG1909 allG3956 kindreds,G5443 andG2532 tongues,G1100 andG2532 nations.G1484

Rev_13:10 He thatG1536 leadeth intoG4863 captivityG161 shall goG5217 intoG1519 captivity:G161 he thatG1536 killethG615 withG1722 the swordG3162 mustG1163 be(G846) killedG615 withG1722 the sword.G3162 HereG5602 isG2076 theG3588 patienceG5281 andG2532 theG3588 faithG4102 of theG3588 saints.G40

Rev_14:12 HereG5602 isG2076 the patienceG5281 of theG3588 saints:G40 hereG5602 are they that keepG5083 theG3588 commandmentsG1785 of God,G2316 andG2532 theG3588 faithG4102 of Jesus.G2424

Rev_15:3 AndG2532 they singG103 theG3588 songG5603 of MosesG3475 theG3588 servantG1401 of God,G2316 andG2532 theG3588 songG5603 of theG3588 Lamb,G721 saying,G3004 GreatG3173 andG2532 marvellousG2298 are thyG4675 works,G2041 LordG2962 GodG2316 Almighty;G3841 justG1342 andG2532 trueG228 are thyG4675 ways,G3598 thou KingG935 of saints.G40

Rev_16:6 ForG3754 they have shedG1632 the bloodG129 of saintsG40 andG2532 prophets,G4396 andG2532 thou hast givenG1325 themG846 bloodG129 to drink;G4095 forG1063 they areG1526 worthy.G514

Rev_17:6 AndG2532 I sawG1492 theG3588 womanG1135 drunkenG3184 withG1537 theG3588 bloodG129 of theG3588 saints,G40 andG2532 withG1537 theG3588 bloodG129 of theG3588 martyrsG3144 of Jesus:G2424 andG2532 when I sawG1492 her,G846 I wonderedG2296 with greatG3173 admiration.G2295

Rev_18:24 AndG2532 inG1722 herG846 was foundG2147 the bloodG129 of prophets,G4396 andG2532 of saints,G40 andG2532 of allG3956 that were slainG4969 uponG1909 theG3588 earth.G1093

Rev_19:8 AndG2532 to herG846 was grantedG1325 thatG2443 she should be arrayedG4016 in fine linen,G1039 cleanG2513 andG2532 white:G2986 forG1063 theG3588 fine linenG1039 isG2076 theG3588 righteousnessG1345 of saints.G40

Rev_20:9 AndG2532 they went upG305 onG1909 theG3588 breadthG4114 of theG3588 earth,G1093 andG2532 compassed the camp of the saints about,G2944 G3588 G3925 G3588 G40 andG2532 theG3588 belovedG25 city:G4172 andG2532 fireG4442 came downG2597 fromG575 GodG2316 out ofG1537 heaven,G3772 andG2532 devouredG2719 them.G846

> > 1 Thess 4:13-18 refers to the Main Pre-Wrath Rapture event, the "Gathering together of the Elect" at the Sixth Seal (Rev 6:12-17, Rev 7:9-17, Matt 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27), because of the phrase "unto the Coming of the Lord" and because "the dead in Christ" are not raised at the earlier "Open Door" Rapture event, which I believe is a secret event that will go unnoticed by the world. The "Open Door" is not a duplicate "Gathering together of the Elect" which is why scripture gives them different names. The Apostle John (Rev 4:1-2, A.D. 90's) and the Apostle Paul (2 Cor 12:2-4) were both caught up through an "Open Door" that didn't necessitate the Lord Jesus Christ coming back in the sky.

This is the First-Trump Rapture. It cannot go unnoticed by the world. Too many people will have disappeared.

The Last-Trump Rapture will be on the Day of God's Wrath. They will get out of here by the skin of their teeth before the Asteroid impact.

That Rapture is in I Cor. 15:51-54:

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

> > Please don't ignore the instructions to always Repent and be Ready.

You got that one right. Every believer should do that.

1Jn 1:9 says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

When we accepted Jesus, all our old sins were done away with. However, after that, all sins should be confessed to God to bring them under the blood of Christ. The majority of the Laodiceans have to learn this the hard way, by getting left behind the first time. Agape

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