Pro and Con 1746

Posted 8-19-13

ANOTHER KIND OF SEA PEN, GOD LIKES VARIETY


THE DEPARTURE, (FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE), COMES FIRST, THEN THE FALSE PROPHET WILL BE REVEALED WHEN HE FAILS TO GO UP IN THE RAPTURE

2Th 2:1-16 (HNB) says, "Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, and our gathering together to him (i.e., at the First-Trump Rapture), we ask you 2 not to be quickly shaken in your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as from us, saying that the day of Messiah (i.e., Day of the Lord) had come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it (i.e., the Day of the Lord) will not be, unless the departure (i.e., First-Trump Rapture) comes first, and the man of sin is revealed (i.e., when he doesn't go up in the Rapture), the son of destruction, 4 he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God (i.e., after it is built), setting himself up as God. 5 Don't you remember that, when I was still with you, I told you these things? 6 Now you know what (i.e., the Holy Spirit) is restraining him, to the end that he may be revealed in his own season (i.e., the Great Tribulation). 7 For the mystery of lawlessness already works. Only there is one (i.e., the Holy Spirit) who restrains now, until he is taken out of the way (i.e., at the First-Trump Rapture).

8 Then (tote, at that time, i.e., the day of the Rapture) the lawless one will be revealed (i.e., because he doesn't go up in the Rapture), whom the Lord will kill with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nothing by the brightness of his coming (i.e., at the Second Advent); 9 even he whose coming is according to the working of Hasatan with all power and signs and lying wonders (Rev. 13:11-18), 10 and with all deception of wickedness for those who are being lost, because they didn't receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 Because of this, God sends them a working of error, that they should believe a lie; 12 that they all might be judged who didn't believe the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 13 But we are bound to always give thanks to God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because God chose you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief in the truth; 14 to which he called you through our Good News, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah. 15 So then, brothers, stand firm, and hold the traditions which you were taught by us, whether by word, or by letter. 16 Now our Lord Yeshua the Messiah himself, and God our Father, who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, 17 comfort your hearts and establish you in every good work and word.

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: Two Gregorian Dates Referenced in Scripture

Since the Jewish calendar is lunar/solar, those solar dates astronomically fluctuate by up to one moon cycle of 29.5 days. Not so with the Gregorian calendar. The solar Gregorian calendar is precise and stable according to the solar movement. The solstices and equinoxes always fall on the same dates with a very small adjustment for leap year.

MANY JEWISH DATES are referenced in scripture.

NO GREGORIAN DATES ---- are given in scripture.

---- well, ALMOST NONE !!! HUH????

Wouldn't it be great it Jesus referenced a couple of Gregorian dates? Well, he absolutely does. It is hidden but it is there.

Jesus was in Israel when he asked a question.

The answer pertains to Israel and to no other nation.

John 11:9

Note first that this is a reverse 9:11. Ummm? Hebrew reads right to left.

Now, notice the text

"Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world."

By implication, If any man walks in the day which is 12 hours long, he sees the light of this world.

I don't think that is stretching the scriptures one bit.

As stated, Jesus was in Israel and this relates to Israel. BUT when are the days and nights equal in Israel?

This ONLY happens twice each year and it is always when the sun is directly overhead in Israel causing equal days and nights IN Israel. And NO, it is not at the accepted Vernal (Spring) and Autumnal (Fall) Equinoxes. Absolutely NOT. Herein lies the misunderstanding. Israel is NOT on the imaginary equator which is where the accepted Equinoxes are defined. Israel is NORTH of the imaginary equator.

Equal days and nights arrive in Israel earlier than the accepted Spring Equinox and later than the Fall Equinox.

In 2013, the days and nights in Jerusalem are equal on:

March 16-17 2013

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=110&month=3&year=2013&obj=sun&afl=-11&day=1

September 26-27 2013.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=110&month=9&year=2013&obj=sun&afl=-11&day=1

These are the ONLY GREGORIAN DATES each year when the days and nights are equal in Israel. To my knowledge, these are the ONLY two Gregorian dates referenced in the Bible and they are well hidden beneath the surface of the text.

These are the only two days of the year that Jesus could have been referencing and they ARE Gregorian dates, NOT Jewish dates.

MY REPLY

Re: Autumn Equinox, northern hemisphere

> > September 26-27 2013.

You can split hairs if you want, but I am going by this, from http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/autumnal-equinox.html

"Northern Hemisphere: (USA, Central America, Canada, Europe, Asia, northern Africa)"
"September equinox 2013: September 22, at 20:44 UTC."

I consider Jerusalem as having the same Autumn Equinox as we have here in the Los Angeles area.

Jerusalem: 31 degrees 46' 48" N - 35 degrees 13' 12" E
Los Angeles: 34 degrees 3' 15" N - 118 degrees 14' 27" W

All of the USA will go by Sept. 22 this year. The Calendar I bought locally says "Autumn begins" on September 22, 2013.

SIGNS OF THE TIMES

Jer 8:7 says, "Yea, the stork in the heaven knoweth her appointed times; and the turtle and the crane and the swallow observe the time of their coming; but my people know not the judgment of the LORD."

Jer 8:11 says, "For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace, when there is no peace."

That applies right now. The meetings to work on the Peace Agreement have already started. They are supposed to reach an agreement within the next 9 months. It seems to me that the Rapture will take place before that agreement is signed.

Jer 8:13 says, "I will surely consume them, saith the LORD: there shall be no grapes on the vine, nor figs on the fig tree, and the leaf shall fade (i.e., it is autumn); and the things that I have given them shall pass away from them."

Jer 8:15 says, "We looked for peace, but no good came; and for a time of health, and behold trouble!"

Considering the wheat and tares, Mat_13:30 says, "Let both grow together until the harvest: and IN THE TIME OF HARVEST I WILL SAY TO THE REAPERS, GATHER YE TOGETHER FIRST THE TARES, AND BIND THEM IN BUNDLES TO BURN THEM: BUT GATHER THE WHEAT INTO MY BARN."

Gather the wheat into my barn may apply to the First-Trump Rapture. When will the trumpet sound? on Feast days.

In Israel, the harvest of wheat, grapes and figs will be ended by Tabernacles, Thursday, Sept. 19, 2013. The trumpet will sound. Is that the day of the First-Trump Rapture, when the wise virgins will be caught up to Heaven?

The Harvest Moon will be Sept. 19 too.

Maybe Sept. 23 is when those that get left behind could say, "The harvest is past (Sept. 19), the summer is ended (Sept. 22), and we are not saved." (Jer 8:20).

On my Pro and Con 1736, I posted my study notes in which two passages I copied from a letter posted on Five Doves in 2010 came out in very large letters - Ariel 56.4. I use Calibri 12.

1st: The Transfiguration appears to be a rehearsal for the Rapture.

2nd: Psalm 81:3-4: "Sound the ram's horn at the New Moon, and when the moon is full, on the day of our Feast; this is a decree for Israel, an ordinance of the God of Jacob."(NIV)

Peter mentioned making three tabernacles at the Transfiguration, when the moon is full on Tabernacles.

Mar_9:5 (KJV) says, "And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias."

FULL MOON

Psa 81:3 (NIV) says, "Sound the ram's horn at the New Moon (i.e., the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1), and WHEN THE MOON IS FULL (i.e., on Tabernacles, Tishri 15), on the day of our festival".

"Thursday, 19th September 2013"
http://www.fullmoon.info/en/fullmoon-calendar.html

HARVEST MOON

"The Harvest Moon will occur September 19th, 2013."
www.chacha.com/question/when-is-the-harvest-moon-in-2013

FEAST OF INGATHERING

De 16:13 NLT says, "You must observe the Festival of Shelters* for seven days at the end of the harvest season, after the grain has been threshed and the grapes have been pressed.
Footnote:
* Or Festival of Booths, or Festival of Tabernacles; also in 16:16. This was earlier called the Festival of the Final Harvest or Festival of Ingathering (see Exod 23:16b). It is celebrated today as Sukkot (or Succoth)."

Exd 23:16 (KJV) says, "And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering, [which is] in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field."

Psa_43:3 (KJV) says, "O send out thy light and thy truth: let them lead me; let them bring me unto thy holy hill, and to thy tabernacles."

Psa_46:4 (KJV) says, "There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High."

Zec_14:16 (KJV) says, "And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even GO UP from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles."

"HE SHALL GATHER THEM AS THE SHEAVES"

Psa_126:6 (KJV) says, "He that goeth forth and weepeth, bearing precious seed, shall doubtless come again with rejoicing, bringing his sheaves with him."

Mic_4:12 (KJV) says, "But they know not the thoughts of the LORD, neither understand they his counsel: for HE SHALL GATHER THEM AS THE SHEAVES into the floor."

Full Moon will be at 2:13 PM" in Jerusalem on Sept. 19, 2013.
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=110&month=9&year=2013&obj=moon&afl=-11&day=1

To me, this is sounding good for the Feast of Tabernacles to be the date of the First-Trump Rapture. The Last-Trump Rapture will probably be on the Feast of Trumpets, Day of God's Wrath, Mon. Sept. 14, 2015. Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: prophesy

I am just finishing your book, The end of the age, which I recently discovered in my late father's library. Though I have been studying prophesy most of my life, I see a number of things in your writings I have never heard before. I am a seeker of truth. It doesn't matter to me who is right or who is wrong, only that I know the truth. Obviously you got your dates wrong for the Lord's return, but I commend you for the tremendous amount of study you had to have done to write that book....

I don't know if you are able to communicate with individuals one on one or not. I have a number of questions I would love to discuss with you, and also some observations of my own that I don't see addressed in your book. Please advise. Best regards

MY REPLY

Thanks for your kind words.

You are right on the amount of study I have done. I started Bible study about 1960 and have studied as hard as I can go ever since. Early in my studies, I spent 7 years reading books from BIOLA's Seminary Collection. At that point, I gave up ever finding an author who understood what the cherubim represented. A lot of those books were written by Seminary teachers, and they didn't know. Authors either left that part out or went off on a fanciful trip about some kind of angels that I couldn't believe. I don't think the KJV translators knew what Ezekiel 1 really meant.

I wanted to know what the cherubim in Gen 3:24 represented. The KJV says, "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."

I wanted to know what the cherubim represented in Eze 1 and 10. I knew that they were not angels. There were wheels within wheels.

I opened my Bible, put my hands on it and practically in tears said, "Lord, you'll have to show me."

I quit reading man's books about the Bible and started looking up every word in Ezekiel 1 in Strong's Concordance. When I got to verse 4, "brightness" was "nogahh," brilliant shining. The light began to dawn. That's sunshine. I should have paid more attention to verse one. Ezekiel said, "the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God." That is exactly what he saw.

So, the cherubim are lively things flying in the sky.

Eze 1:15 says, "Now as I beheld the living creatures (i.e., cherubim), behold one wheel upon the EARTH by the living creatures, with his four faces."

What wheel does the Earth have? It's orbit.

Then the wheels within wheels are the concentric orbits of the terrestrial planets flying around the Sun. The cherubim are the terrestrial planets, not "four living creatures" as Eze 1:5 (KJV) said. They are four lively (flying) things. They are globes, so they face 4 directions and orbit in 4 directions. The four faces represent East, South, West, and North. According to Clarence Larkin, those faces (lion, man, ox and eagle) were on the flags placed at the compass points when Israel camped around the Tabernacle.

Eze_10:1 says, "Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament (expanse of space) that was above the head of the cherubims there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone, as the appearance of the likeness of a throne."

Sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear (Webster's Collegiate Dictionary). Sapphire is Jesus' September birthstone, and it means heaven. Sapphire comes in several colors. Amber fits here.

Eze 10:20 says, "This is the living (lively) creature (thing, i.e., Saturn) that I saw under the God of Israel by the river of Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubims."

Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (i.e., the only God/man is Jesus) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of AMBER, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about (i.e., Saturn's ring system). 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

Now, I know what Gen 3:24 means.

Gen 3:24 (NKJV) says, "So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim (i.e., planets that rise in the east) at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way (rotated and orbited), to guard the way to the tree of life."

The "flaming sword" is Satan's home on the asteroid Wormwood (Rev. 8:11). The tree of life is on Saturn, the planet with a rainbow-like ring system.

I don't worry about dates that have passed. I just keep trying to understand the future. That consumes my time.

Tabernacles, Sept. 19, 2013, is looking good for the First-Trump Rapture now. They are saying "Peace, peace, when there is no peace." The Last-Trump Rapture may be Mon. Sept 14, 2015, the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of the Lord, the Day of God's Wrath..

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