Pro and Con 1750

Posted 9-14-13

THE SKY OVER JERUSALEM ON TABERNACLES, SEPTEMBER 19, 2013.
SATURN/HEAVEN, AND VENUS ARE UNDER VIRGO'S FEET

sky chart

"HALF-TON FRAGMENT OF RUSSIAN METEORITE LOCATED ON LAKEBED"

http://rt.com/news/chelyabinsk-meteorite-recovery-lake-660

9-10-13 - Shaped like a date seed and weighing about 600 kg, the Chelyabinsk meteorite is buried under 2.5 meters of sediment in the bed of Lake Chebarkul.

They tried magnetic imaging first, but finally found it using sonar.

A POST ON FIVE DOVES

Lisa Taylor (11 Sep 2013)
"The Pilgimage Festival Pattern"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/sep2013/lisat911.htm

MY REPLY, AND A MIRACLE THAT HAPPENED WHEN I STARTED TO REPLY TO LISA

IN THE FOLLOWING, WHERE MY EMAIL PROGRAM PUT A RED DEVIL'S FACE IN MY EMAIL DOCUMENT, IT PUT THE WORD "DEVIL" WHEN I COPY/PASTED IT INTO MY COFFEECUP HTML EDITOR. IT ALSO PUT "NOTE" WHERE IT HAD PUT AN ACTUAL BLUE-COLORED MUSICAL NOTE.

"ANCIENT GOLDEN TREASURE FOUND AT TEMPLE MOUNT" By ARUTZ7
http://www.thejerusalemconnection.us/blog/2013/09/09/ancient-golden-treasure-found-at-temple-mount.html

Posted on September 9, 2013 by Jerusalem Connection

"In summer excavations at the foot of the Temple Mount, Hebrew University of Jerusalem archaeologist Dr. Eilat Mazar made a stunning discovery: two bundles of treasure containing thirty-six gold coins, gold and silver jewelry, and a gold medallion with the menorah (Temple candelabrum) symbol etched into it. Also etched into the 10-cm medallion are a shofar (ram's horn) and the image of a Torah scroll.

"The medallion may be the oldest Torah ornament ever found in archaeological digs....

"The gold treasure was discovered in a ruined Byzantine public structure a mere 50 meters from the Temple Mount's southern wall."

Please go to this site.
http://www.thejerusalemconnection.us/blog/2013/09/09/ancient-golden-treasure-found-at-temple-mount.html

Look at the candlestick in the picture of the gold medallion. The candlestick on the gold medallion has circles for the lamps. This is perfect, since according to Josephus, they stand for (1) Sun, (2) Mercury, (3) Venus, (4) Earth, (5) Mars, (6 Devil, Jupiter, and (8 Saturn.

Every time I tried to print (6) there, the devil face showed up when I tried to put in the ")", so I left off the last ")" and it printed ok. And, notice that it printed (5) and (7) OK. I'll try the (6 again: Devil.

Both the devil face and the blue note printed ok on Five Doves. My email address, mjagee@verizon.net, was blue on my site, but red on Five Doves. http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/sep2013/marilyna913.htm

(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) Devil (7) Note (9) (10) (11) (12)

Planet 6 is Rahab, Satan's planet that split apart forming our Asteroid Belt.

Isa 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (Jesus, Isa 53:1); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (chatsab, split) Rahab, and wounded the dragon?"(i.e., Satan).

This time, Earth will get hit by an asteroid. Babylon near the Euphrates will be obliterated.

Isa 22:5 says, "it is a day of trouble, and of treading down, and of perplexity by the Lord GOD of hosts in the valley of vision, breaking down the walls, and of crying to the mountains."

Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? (i.e., the asteroid Wormwood, Rev 8:11) 17 Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. 18 He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: (Iraq, not tiny Israel) there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. 19 And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

Planet 8 is Saturn, heaven, where the throne of Jesus/God is located.

(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) Devil (7) Note (9) (10) (11) (12)

(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) Devil (7) Note (9) (10) (11) (12)

It keeps doing this. I can't print 6 or 8 with the final parenthesis. The 6th planet was Satan's planet Rahab. Instead of "Devil", my email document put in the devil's red-orange face. Instead of "Note", my email document put in a blue musical note. This blue note represents Heaven, Saturn, where the throne of Jesus/God is located.

I could not do that if I wanted to. I do not even know how to make it do that, or how to stop it.

Under the picture of the gold medallion, it says, "Posted on September 9, 2013 by Jerusalem Connection
Posted in Archaeology, Temple
Tagged Archaeology, gold, Temple"

There are also embossed on the medallion a ram's-horn trumpet and a scroll to represent Scripture. Has this just been found to make us pay attention to Scripture, because the Trumpet is about to call the saints up to Heaven?

Get ready. The Rapture may be on Tabernacles, Sept. 19, 2013. Confess any sins the Holy Spirit brings to your mind that were committed after you accepted Christ to get them under the blood of Christ too.

The Feast of Trumpets is past. The Day of Atonement is this Saturday. Tabernacles will follow on Thursday, Sept. 19. Tabernacles lasts 8 days. Will we live in temporary shelters (booths) for 8 days? or does that just apply to the Israelites after the asteroid hits Earth? A mountain-sized piece will hit the NE Mediterranean Sea too (Rev 8:8). A tsunami will wash Gog's army out of Israel's hair. Only 1/6th will survive to flee to Siberia.

A POST ON RAPTURE BIBLE PROPHECY FORUM

"The RAPTURE not before Tabernacles and other number games"
By Sherry Vance


http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=3330765498&frmid=8549&msgid=919996&cmd=show
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* Tabernacles lunar eclipse on October 9, 2014

* Solar eclipse on October 23, 2014

2015-2016 - 1st year in cycle - 50th year - Jubilee

* THIRD WEEK OF JACOB'S TROUBLE

* THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL BEGINS

* September 13, 2015 -The Resurrection/Rapture during a new moon, before the start of the 70th Week. If you believe in a pre-trib rapture, this may be when it occurs: when the full number of Gentiles have come in before the start of the 70th Week/Daniel 9:27 to be fulfilled for ISRAEL's Redemption.

* Opening of the First Seal - rider on a white horse, bow with no arrows - destroying with 'Peace' - confirming the covenant (Daniel 9:27)

* Solar eclipse on March 20, 2015
* (Head of biblical year) Nisan 1, 5775.....March 21, 2015

* Passover lunar eclipse on...............................April 4-5, 2015

* Solar eclipse on.................................................Sept. 13, 2015

* (Head of civil year) Tishri 1, 5775............Sept. 14-15, 2015

* Tabernacles lunar eclipse on.........................Sept. 28, 2015

2016-2017 - 2nd year in cycle

2017-2018 - 3rd year in cycle

2018-2019- 4th year in cycle - mid-point of 70th Week - The Great Tribulation

* War in Heaven - Michael casts Satan & his angels out of Heaven - Satan cast down to Earth, "full of rage, knowing his time is short." (Likely just

before Passover, Nisan 14, April 6-7.)

* Antichrist granted 42 months to "continue" - This is the time of the

Great Tribulation, spoken of by Jesus.

* Revelation of Antichrist when he commits abomination & declares

himself god and goes forth to conquer those he is given to conquer - God's

people the Jews and post-rapture saints.

* Those left behind "who loved not the truth" are

sent a strong delusion to believe a lie, they are those who were not written in the Lamb's Book of Life before the foundations of the world, and they wonder

(worship) after the beast/satan.

2019-2020 - 5th year in cycle

2020-2021 - 6th year in cycle

2021-2022 - 7th year in cycle - 1st Sabbath year of the Millennial Kingdom *Jesus Christ's Second Coming

* The Lord of the Sabbath returns on the Sabbath!

Shalom and until......
Sherry Vance

MY REPLY

> > 2015-2016 - 1st year in cycle - 50th year - Jubilee

We are pretty close here. I expect the Second Advent on Nisan 1, 5776, Sat. April 9, 2016. It will be the first day of the Sacred, REGNAL and JUBILEE Years, a year during which Daniel will stand in his lot in Israel.

A Jubilee Year has to be preceded by a Sabbatical Year. 5775 is Sabbatical. I think 5768 was too soon, and 5782 is too late.

1917 Balfour Declaration gave Jews the right to return to the land.

1917 + 50 = 1967 Israel grew leaves in the Six-Day War.

1967 + 50 = 2017, the outside limit.

The Day of God's Wrath has to precede the beginning of the Jubilee Year by 7 months.

Eze 39:11-13 says, "And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog. 12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. 13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD."

Therefore, I think the Day of God's Wrath will be on the previous Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776.

"1st of Tishrei, 5776 = Mon, 14 September 2015". There will be a partial solar eclipse on the Eve of Trumpets.

The Last-Trump Rapture will probably be on the Day of God's Wrath, Sept. 14, 2015. It will be announced by the partial Solar Eclipse of Sept. 13.

Maximum Eclipse Sep 13 at 6:54 AM UTC

http://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar/2015-september-13

The coming Jubilee should be announced on the Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, 5776, Wed. September 23, 2015, and start on the following Nisan 1, 5776, Sat., April 9, 2016.

1st of Tishrei, 5776 = Mon, 14 September 2015
10th of Tishrei, 5776 = Wed, 23 September 2015
15th of Tishrei, 5776 = Mon, 28 September 2015

At times, the Feast of Tabernacles seems sort of skipped over. We hear people talking about Sept. 14 and 23. Why not 28? Is it because, at the time they are thinking of, it has already been fulfilled by the First-Trump-Rapture on Sept. 19, 2013? We will soon know. Today is Sept. 13.

Deu 31:10-12 says, "And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles, 11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing. 12 GATHER THE PEOPLE together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this law".

Psa 43:3 says, "O send out thy light and thy truth: let them lead me; let them bring me unto thy holy hill, and to thy tabernacles."

Hos 12:9,10 says, "And I that am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt will yet make thee to dwell in tabernacles, as in the days of the solemn feast. 10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets."

The Transfiguration was on Tabernacles.

Mat_17:4 says, "Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias."

Mar_9:5 says, "And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias."

Luk_9:33 says, "And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said."

Rev 6:17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands".

Rev 7:14,15 says, "And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God".

Eze 39 12,13 says, "And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. 13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be GLORIFIED, saith the Lord GOD."

For there to be 7 months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1, the year 5776 has to be a Leap Year with the 13th month, and 5776 is a Leap Year.

THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS IS THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH AND THE DAY OF THE LORD

Joe 2:1,2 says, "Blow ye the TRUMPET in Zion, and sound an ALARM in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; 2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong (Gog's army); there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations."

Joe 2:11 says, "And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the DAY OF THE LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?"

Joel 2:15-18 says, "Blow the TRUMPET in Zion, sanctify a fast (i.e., coming up on the Day of Atonement), call a solemn assembly: 16 Gather the people (i.e., in the Last-Trump Rapture), sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet (i.e., she was caught up previously in the First-Trump Rapture). 17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God? 18 Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people."

Joe 2:20,21 says, "I will remove far off from you the northern army (i.e., Gog's army), and will drive him into a land barren and desolate (i.e., Siberia), with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things. 21 Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the LORD will do great things."

Joe 2:23 says, "Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately (i.e., the First Advent was on Tishri 1), and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month."

There are two calendars, and two first months. Tishri and Nisan. Jesus was born on Tishri 1. The Second Advent is as the latter rain, on Nisan 1.

Joe 2:30-32 says, "And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. 32 And it shall come to pass, that WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE DELIVERED".

Rev 6:12 says, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood".

Rev 6:17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands".

Rev 7:14,15 says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God". Agape

POPE FRANCIS ASSURES ATHEISTS: YOU DON'T HAVE TO BELIEVE IN GOD TO GO TO HEAVEN

By Michael Day, Sept. 11, 2013
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-assures-atheists-you-dont-have-to-believe-in-god-to-go-to-heaven-8810062.html

"Pope Francis has written a long, open letter to the founder of La Repubblica newspaper, Eugenio Scalfari, stating that non-believers would be forgiven by God if they followed their consciences.

"Responding to a list of questions published in the paper by Mr Scalfari, who is not a Roman Catholic, Francis wrote: "You ask me if the God of the Christians forgives those who don't believe and who don't seek the faith. I start by saying - and this is the fundamental thing - that God's mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart. The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience."

"CATHOLIC CHURCH CONFIRMS ATHEISTS STILL GO TO HELL, AFTER POPE FRANCIS SUGGESTS THEY MIGHT GO TO HEAVEN"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/catholic-church-confirms-atheists-still-go-to-hell-after-pope-francis-suggests-they-might-go-to-heaven-8634479.html

Spokesman says people who choose not to enter the Church 'cannot be saved'

The Vatican has quickly clarified that atheists - they believe - are still going to hell, despite Pope Francis appearing to say non-believers could be saved through Christ if they do good.

Vatican spokesman Rev. Thomas Rosica said people who know about the Catholic church "cannot be saved" if they "refuse to enter her or remain in her."

POPE FRANCIS: BEING AN ATHEIST IS ALRIGHT AS LONG AS YOU DO GOOD

By Steve Anderson, 23 May 2013
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-being-an-atheist-is-alright-as-long-as-you-do-good-8629390.html

"Pope Francis has said that atheists should be seen as good people as long as they do good, in a move to urge people of all religions - or no religion at all - to get along.

"The Catholic leader, who heads the 1.2 billion-strong Church, made his comments in the homily of his morning Mass in his residence, a daily event where he speaks without prepared comments."

MY THOUGHTS

There is only one way to be saved - believe in Jesus.

Joh 3:16-18 says, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

FROM REV. 12, IT LOOKS LIKE THE APPROXIMATELY MID-TRIB RAPTURE COULD TAKE PLACE SOON

By Marilyn Agee

Rev 12:10-12 says, "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, NOW (arti, THIS DAY, just now, from airo, to LIFT UP, take up, sail away, i.e., THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE) is come (GINOMAI, ARISE, BE ASSEMBLED, BE BROUGHT TO PASS) salvation (soteria, salvation, deliverance, RESCUE), and strength, AND THE KINGDOM OF OUR GOD, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time" ( i.e., the shortened Great Tribulation).

THE TRANSFIGURATION POINTS TO THE RAPTURE ON TABERNACLES

Mat 17:1-4 says, "And AFTER SIX DAYS Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and BRINGETH THEM UP INTO AN HIGH MOUNTAIN APART, 2 AND WAS TRANSFIGURED BEFORE THEM: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. 4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three TABERNACLES; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias."

Mar 9:1-5 says, "And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. 2 And AFTER SIX DAYS Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and LEADETH THEM UP INTO AN HIGH MOUNTAIN APART BY THEMSELVES: AND HE WAS TRANSFIGURED BEFORE THEM. 3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them. 4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus. 5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three TABERNACLES; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias."

Luk 9:28-35 says, "And it came to pass ABOUT AN EIGHT DAYS after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray. 29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. 30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: 31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. 32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him. 33 And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three TABERNACLES; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said. 34 While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud. 35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him."

Joh_7:2 says, "Now the Jews' feast of tabernacles was at hand."

Joh 7:14 Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught."

Joh 7:37 In the LAST DAY, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, LET HIM COME UNTO ME, and drink."

The 8th day of Tabernacles will be Thursday, Sept. 26, 2013. If the Rapture is not on Thursday, Sept. 19, it could be on Thursday, Sept. 26.

This year, the New Crescent Moon was sighted 2 days late. Go to YourSky, set it for Jerusalem, and check it out. I also change the color to black on white.

FALL FEAST DATES ON THE HEBREW CALENDAR AND THE CORRESPONDING GREGORIAN CALENDAR

Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5774, THURSDAY, September 5, 2013 Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, 5774, Saturday, the Sabbath, September 14, 2013 Feast of Tabernacles, Tishri 15, 5774, THURSDAY, September 19, 2013 8th day of Tabernacles, Tishri 22, 5774, THURSDAY, September 26, 2013

On Five Doves, Charles said that he thinks the Rapture will be on a Thursday. If I remember right, he had been reading the Bible, fell asleep, dreamed of Heaven, and woke up saying, "Why will the Rapture be on Thursday?"

This year, there is a good chance that the Rapture could happen on Thursday, Tishri 15 or 22, our September 19 or 26.

MICHAEL ROOD'S CALENDAR, REFLECTING THE DELAY IN SIGHTING THE NEW CRESCENT MOON

Yom Teruah (Day of Trumpets) - Sundown Sept 7, 2013
Yom Kippur - Sundown Sept 16, 2013
Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles) - Sundown Sept 21 - Sept 28, 2013
The Last Great Day - Sundown Sept 28, 2013

THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN HEAVEN ON THE DAY OF THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE

HEB 12:22-29 says, "But YE ARE COME UNTO MOUNT SION, and unto the city of the living God, the HEAVENLY JERUSALEM, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND CHURCH OF THE FIRSTBORN, which are written IN HEAVEN, and to God the Judge of all, and TO THE SPIRITS OF JUST MEN MADE PERFECT (TELEIOO, COMPLETE, FINISHED), 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. 25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped (PHEUGO, TO VANISH, ESCAPE, FLEE AWAY) not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not WE (HEMEIS, WE, ONLY USED WHEN EMPHATIC) ESCAPE, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: 26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I SHAKE NOT THE EARTH ONLY, BUT ALSO HEAVEN. 27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Wherefore WE RECEIVING A KINGDOM WHICH CANNOT BE MOVED, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: 29 For our God is a consuming fire (pur, fire, specifically lightning)."

LOCATION OF THE TEMPLE

By Marilyn Agee

I am so glad to find this article, "The Hidden Secrets of the Temple Mount," by Tuvia Sagiv: http://www.templemount.org/tempmt.html#(17)

For a long time, I have agreed with Tuvia Sagiv that the temple should be located over the El Kas fountain between the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque, and that it should be lower than that surface is today. In this document, he said that the temple was 16 meters lower than the level of the Temple Mount courts today.

He thinks the original level matched the level of the three gates on the southern wall of the Temple Mount. That seems logical.

In Antiquities XV. XI. 1, Josephus said, "HOW HEROD REBUILT THE TEMPLE, AND RAISED IT HIGHER, AND MADE IT MORE MAGNIFICENT THAN IT WAS BEFORE; AND ALSO CONCERNING THAT TOWER WHICH HE CALLED ANTONIA

"1. AND now Herod, in the eighteenth year of his reign, and after the acts already mentioned, undertook a very great work, that is, to build of himself the temple of God, and make it larger in compass, and TO RAISE IT TO A MOST MAGNIFICANT ALTITUDE".

To me, that proves that it was rebuilt at a higher level than it was originally.

Tuvia Sagiv also said that the Dome of the Rock is where Antonia's Fortress was located. I agree. That rock was originally much taller than now and was located just inside the outer wall of Antonia's Fortress. The rock was covered with smooth rock tiles to keep people from trying to climb it.

Today, "The Cave" is underneath that rock, so some of it does not rest on bedrock.

In V. V. 8, Josephus said, "Now, as to the tower of Antonia, it was situated at the corner of two cloisters of the court of the temple; of that on the west and fifty cubits in height, and was on a great precipice; it was the work of king Herod, wherein he demonstrated his natural magnanimity. In the first place, the rock itself was covered over with smooth pieces of stone, from its foundation, both for ornament, and that any one who would either try to get up, or to go down it, might not be able to hold his feet upon it. Next to this, and before you come to the edifice of the tower itself, there was a wall three cubits high; but within that wall all the space of the tower of Antonia itself was built upon, to the height of forty cubits."

Therefore, Fort Antonia was in the northern section. The rock that is now under the Dome of the Rock was in Fort Antonia. The court of the Temple was in the southern section. There were stairs at the junction of the north and west cloisters. Paul made a speech when standing on these stairs.

The aquaduct entered the Temple Mount at Wilson's Arch and turned southeast heading toward the Al Kas Fountain. There are no water channels going to the Dome of the Rock.

The Dome of the Rock was +743.7 meters above sea level. The aqueduct entered the Temple Mount at Wilson's Arch, +737.7 meters, and turned SW toward the Al Kas Fountain area. There is a good chance that the floors of the Temple courts were at the same level as the Hulda Gates in the southern wall.

Tuvia Sagiv said that the level of the Temples was +721 meters above sea level. That sounds reasonable, and it could only be that level in the southern area. When they dig down to find the lower foundations, we can adjust that figure if we need to.

Wilson's Arch is south of the Dome of the Rock. The Temple court had to be below this so the water could flow freely to wash away the blood from the sacrifices. The aqueduct brought water from the Ein Etam spring, which was south of Solomon's Pools. That spring is 23 cubits higher than the level of the Temple court.

There actually were four springs, Ein Eitam (the main one), Ein al Burak, Ein Salih, and Ein Farruja, which fed the three bodies of water called Solomon's Pools, which are about 12 km SE of Jerusalem. Any pebbles or mud settled out of the water in those pools.

The constantly running water from the Ein Eitam Spring cascaded from the aqueduct that entered the Temple Mount at Wilson's Arch into a series of cisterns cut in the rock carrying the moving water downhill on that solid rock hill. The water flowed all the time, because they built a 100 ft. deep sealed siphon in a valley along the path of the aqueduct before it reached the Temple area. The water was carried by the siphon across a hollow which lies in its course, near Rachael's tomb.

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