Pro and Con 1753
THE VARIATION IN SEA PENS IS AMAZING - IT SEEMS
OBVIOUS THAT THE LORD ENJOYED CREATING THEM
Thank you so much Marilyn. When I pray, I get an comfortable feeling for the first day of Hanukkah.
I was 4 years old when I can remember a communion with God and my consciousness. I remember watching when President John F. Kennedy gave his inaugural address on the 20th of January, 1961. The wonder of television.
On the 22nd of November, 1963, my world was destroyed. I suffered a psychological trauma that caused me to stop growing. I was stuck at 6 years and 10 months of age. Emotionally, I was alone. I could find no hope. I prayed that God would take me home. For almost 50 years now, I've suffered from deep depressions. Not constantly, but regularly. I never understood how to accept Jesus' sacrifice for myself. I never really knew God. God was always there with me, but I never put my faith in God. I couldn't believe that he could love even me.
That is until last month, actually late August. The news of the sarin gas attack in Syria crushed me. I was sent to my knees. I felt Jesus' love wash over me. I felt the years of guilt fall away. I continued in prayer until I saw God's Holy Spirit ministering to my consciousness. God's Light of positive love caressing even me! It was then that I learned what I must do to accept God and to place him first in my life. I accepted the love of God and desired it to enter my consciousness. My consciousness reflects God's love in me, to others. I still have a heart for world peace and human rights that I picked up from John F. Kennedy. But now the peace of God has tempered my heart and strengthened my spirit. Quickened my spirit would be a better description.
I feel compelled, this year, since my quickening to spend the 22nd of November in prayer and fasting. Therefore I feel the most logical date for the rapture of the 1st fruits to be on the following Thursday, the 28th of November, Thanksgiving, and the first day of Hanukkah, the 25th of Kislev.
I don't know if any of this is important but I felt compelled to share it with you.
God bless you. In Christ. Agape.
> > I never understood how to accept Jesus' sacrifice for myself. I never really knew God. God was always there with me, but I never put my faith in God. I couldn't believe that he could love even me.
First, being sure you are saved is paramount. It may be simpler than you
Rom 10:9,10 says, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead,
thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto
righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
Did you notice that in that he didn't say a word about how we look?
Did you know that Charles Krauthammer on Fox News is paralyzed from the neck
down and in a wheelchair? Yet, he writes for the Washington Post and
comments on the news for Fox News. Doing that is harder for him than for
other people, but he doesn't let that stop him. During Krauthammer's first
year of medical school, he was paralyzed in a diving accident". Yet, he is
an American Pulitzer Prize-winning syndicated columnist, a political
commentator, and a physician. The column he writes is syndicated to at least
350 newspapers and media. He is an overcomer.
Of course Jesus could love you. He loves all his children, and will comfort
us. How we look doesn't even enter into it. It is our thoughts and actions
that count. He lives in us if we are believers. He loves us all, and when we
get our final bodies, they will be made perfect. You will find out how you
should have looked at 33. You won't go through eternity in the body you have
now. Neither will I. I'm almost 85, so I'm thankful for that.
Until then, 2Co 12:9 says, "And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for
thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness."
By the time the Tribulation saints are called to the general assembly in
heaven, the spirits of just men will have been made perfect.
Heb_12:23 says, "To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which
are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of
just men made perfect".
All believers will be 33 years old in Heaven. Ed was 87 when he died, and he
was 33 when he visited me in his celestial body. I asked him if he was 30 or
33. He said, "33".
> > Thank you so much Marilyn. When I pray, I get an comfortable feeling for the first day of Hanukkah.
I hope you hit it on the nose. In Noah's day, the Lord shut the door of the
Ark and it began to rain. The windows of heaven were open.
Also, in Mt 24:37, Jesus said, "But as the days of Noe were, so shall also
the coming of the Son of man be." So Cheshvan 17, Mon. October 21, could tie
in to the Rapture.
Then our Thanksgiving will be Thursday, Nov. 28, and it will also be Kislev
25, the first day of Hanukkah. I don't think that has happened in a long
The next day the comet ISON is supposed to be its brightest. It will be at
perihelion, although there is a chance that it will not be as big a show as
we hope for. However, there are 3 comets in our sky, ISON, Encke, and
Lovejoy. I can't remember a time we have had three at the same time.
Also, Nov. 29, 1947 was when the UN voted in favor of a resolution that
adopted the plan for the partition of Palestine.
Therefore, we could have the greatest Thanksgiving ever, and end up giving
thanks for the Lord's pulling us out of here before things get any worse.
For me, I would be glad I didn't quite reach my 85th birthday too. That is
coming in the first half of December. I hope your odd feeling is showing us
when the First-Trump Rapture will be. Agape
"Sinai campaign cuts Brotherhood off from reinforcement
"Defense Minister Gen. El-Sisi, fully informed of the Brotherhood's plans, has put three counter-measures in place, according to DEBKA Weekly's military sources.
"a) Monday, Sept. 30, he pinned down the Brotherhood's armed allies, by launching an all-out offensive against fighting Salafists and al Qaeda networks barricaded in the central Sinai mountain range of Jabal Al-Halal."
I think Jabal Al-Halal "in the central Sinai mountain range" is Mt. Sinai. It is beside The Way to Shur, and is inland from Al Arish. The Brook of Egypt swings around it. Jabal Al-Halal is in the Wilderness of Sin.
This bears watching.
A POST ON FIVE DOVES, RE: Michael Colunga (6 Oct 2013) "To: Marilyn Agee"
Marilyn, The revelation about you and Ed being meant for each other from time immemorial in Our Father's heart touched me.
I can't say I can follow your reasoning about Saturn, but I think it would be neat to live on a planet with spectacular rings!
> > The revelation about you and Ed being meant for each other from time immemorial in Our Father's heart touched me.
Thanks for letting me know. I am still totally amazed that Ed was allowed to visit me in his celestial body. I have never heard of that happening to anyone else, except Moses and Elijah at the Transfiguration and Samuel in the Old Testament. It was totally unexpected. Now, I can be sure that we can be together forever, that the dead in Christ are awake in heaven, and that they can walk through walls, as Christ did after his resurrection.
Now, I understand Mat_22:31,32 better. In that, Jesus said, "But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, BUT OF THE LIVING."
The dead in Christ are living now, not at some future moment in time.
I also understand Mat 22:41,42 better. It says, "While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David. 43 He saith unto them, How then doth David IN SPIRIT call him Lord".
We are given information about where heaven is located in both the Old and New Testaments.
In the New Testament, it is easier to understand than in the Old Testament. Paul was caught up to the third heaven.
2Co 12:2 I knew a man in Christ (Paul himself, he didn't want to boast) above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one CAUGHT UP TO THE THIRD HEAVEN. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."
Where is the third heaven located?
According to Josephus, a Pharisee priest (Ant. III. VI. 7), the lamps on the lampstand stood for
(1) Sun, (2) Mercury, (3) Venus, (4) Earth, (5) Mars, (6) Jupiter, and (7) Saturn.
From Earth, we can't be counting backwards, because the 3rd would be the Sun. It is not heaven. Looking forward, the 3rd heaven is Saturn. To me, there is no other choice.
Gen 3:24 says, "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east (the planets rise in the eastern sky) of the garden of Eden Cherubims (i.e., planets), and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of (i.e., or to) the tree of life" (i.e., which is in Heaven).
What is the "flaming sword which turned every way"?
It rotates as it orbits. It is between Earth and Heaven, i.e., in the Asteroid Belt. I believe it is the asteroid Satan lives on, Wormwood.
Rev 8:10,11 says, "And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star (aster, star, asteroid or meteorite) is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood (meaning bitter); and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."
Wormwood, a rock, is to be tossed like a ball at Babylon, on Earth.
Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a ROCK? 17 Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. 18 HE WILL SURELY VIOLENTLY TURN AND TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL INTO A LARGE COUNTRY: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. 19 And I will drive thee from thy station (i.e., between Mars and Jupiter), and from thy state shall he pull thee down."
This asteroid will not hit tiny Israel, but the mountain-sized piece will impact the NE Mediterranean Sea. The blast and tsunami will wash Gog's army out of Israel's hair.
Rev 8:8 says, "And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood".
Rev 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."
After these stones hit Earth, Damascus and Babylon will no longer be cities.
I think the same type of thing, an asteroid impact, ended the civilization the angels which left their own estate had built before Adam was created. It looks like those angels will be judged again on the great and terrible Day of the Lord. They were probably judged and sentenced to prison, but Satan appealed the sentence.
Man was created not being able to see God. If he could still obey Him, He would be proven just in sentencing the fallen angels, who could see God, to prison.
Some angels are chained today. Jud 1:6 says, "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation (i.e., on the planet Rahab), he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."
Psa_89:10 says, "Thou hast broken Rahab in pieces, as one that is slain; thou hast scattered thine enemies with thy strong arm.
Isa_51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) Rahab, and wounded the dragon? Agape
A POST ON FIVE DOVES, RE: "Earnest N re Man's calendar"
Thanks for offering your thoughts. You got me thinking in terms of the big picture where time is concerned. I somewhat understand what you are saying. I just could not completely "get it". So, I will try to ask good questions from my partial understanding.
"To get to the point I am going to tell you there is a 17 year error on our calendar. It was impossible for Jerusalem to be given back in 1967 unless our calendar was wrong in view of how Lord works thru scriptures.. Only time land is returned to the previous owner is on a "Jubilee".The corrected year was 1950 when Jerusalem was returned. Those who understand time his return will also be on a Jubilee year. This is how a Holy a perfect God works."
Also, you wrote:
"Those who have studied time understand the Lord Jesus should have returned in 2000 years at the end of 6000 years. The Daniel prophecy of 7 X 7 is nearing completion for only 62 X 7 is accounted for at the death of the Lord."
I gather you are trying to exactly reconcile to the number of the year 2000, then plus 50 years? To call the difference between the year 2000 and another an "error" seems to go a bit far. Perhaps you are meaning this a bit lightheartedly? I'm not sure what you mean by "study time". Studying prophecy should connect to the Bible and the information in it. I'm not aware of a reference to an even number of years, although dispensations/ages have been considered to be 2000 years plus a few. Also 1948 years is a pattern in biblical history. The "creation calendar" reflects this notion. That calendar uses Hebraic ques and is in the year 5999 right now.
It seems that you are assuming that the year count started exactly at zero upon Christ's birth. I have seen very few who have counted this way. This has been usually considered from 5 B.C. to 1B.C. Also, the Crucifixion was around 33 A.D. range, give or take. In either case, the 2000 years does not match the year 2000 exactly. The year 2017 does include the "17" years, so I see that and the offset of the years. It could work out that year as you say.
I have seen various accounts of rabbinical thought that the ages are in the 2006 to 2009 year range.
I will add a parallel Jesus would have been Bar mitzvah'ed after his 14th birthday. My choice for his birth year is 1B.C. This relates because as a "man" he was qualified to read scripture aloud in meetings among other things. If his birth was in 1 B.C. his 14th birthday would have been in 2013, since there is no "zero" year between B.C. and A.D. That is 2000 years this year! Of course, I don’t expect the Millennial Kingdom to begin this year, but other things could start. GM
> > The "creation calendar" reflects this notion. That calendar uses Hebraic ques and is in the year 5999 right now.
Then 6000 should be interesting. I read most of what was recorded at "http://creationcalendar.com/
His ideas make no sense in my head. He even says that Passover was the preparation day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread. To me, that is impossible. Passover is an annual sabbath, a high day. No work can be done that day. The preparation day for Passover, Unleavened Bread and Firstfruits was Thursday. Jesus was crucified on the preparation of the passover, Thursday.
Joh_19:14 says, "And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!" Jesus was crucified on Thursday, Nisan 13, the preparation of the Passover, which was Friday, Nisan 14. Unleavened Bread was Saturday, Nisan 15. Firstfruits was Sunday, Nisan 16.
Jesus was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights: Thurs. (day), Fri. (night then day), Sat. (night then day), and Sunday (night).
> > It seems that you (Earnest) are assuming that the year count started exactly at zero upon Christ's birth. I have seen very few who have counted this way. This has been usually considered from 5 B.C. to 1B.C. Also, the Crucifixion was around 33 A.D. range, give or take. In either case, the 2000 years does not match the year 2000 exactly. The year 2017 does include the "17" years, so I see that and the offset of the years. It could work out that year as you say.
After a lot of study, I (Marilyn) think Jesus was born on the Feast of Trumpets in 5 BC, and was crucified on the Eve of Passover, Thur. Nisan 13, 30 AD.
Near his 30th birthday in 27 AD, and near the Day of Atonement, Jesus stood up in the Synagogue in Nazareth and read Isa. 61:1-3 to introduce the coming Jubilee Year, the Julian 28 AD.
Luk 4:16-21 says, "And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. 17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach (kerusso, to herald as a public crier) the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach (kerusso, to herald as a public crier) the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears."
His reading was from Isaiah 61.1,2. It says, "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD".
In the calendars used in that day, the Hebrew and Julian, we have to add 2 days to the Hebrew Calendar dates in most of our modern calendar programs to account for the delays put into the calendar by Hillel II. If we just add 2 days to the Hebrew Calendar, we can use those calendar converters.
For instance, at Calendar Converter
(http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/calendar/), in the Hebrew Calendar, I entered 3790, Nisan 13, and clicked Calculate. The Julian Calendar just above it says, 30 April 4, Tuesday. The Crucifixion was on Thursday, so I enter Nisan 15 in the Hebrew Calendar, click Calculate, and the Julian Calendar reads correctly. It says 30, April 6, Thursday. That is the correct crucifixion day.
Concerning the Jubilee Year, it must be preceded by a Sabbatical Year.
The Hebrew 3787 was a Sabbatical Year. We can be sure of that, because it divides by 7 evenly.
The next year, 3788, the Jubilee year, was to be announced on the preceding Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, 3787. I enter Tishri 12, 3787 in the Hebrew Calendar and click Calculate. Now the Julian Calendar is correct. It says, 26, September 13, Friday.
Jesus' 30th birthday was Tishri 1, 3787, Wednesday, Sept. 4, 26 AD. This is when his ministry started.
On the following Saturday, Sept. 7, 26 AD, near his birthday, Jesus stood up in the synagogue at Nazareth and read from Isa. 61.
JESUS ANNOUNCED THE COMING JUBILEE YEAR WHEN HE READ FROM ISA 61:1,2 ON THE SABBATH DAY NEAR HIS BIRTHDAY IN THE SABBATIC YEAR 3787
THIS SABBATIC YEAR CANNOT BE MOVED. 3787 DIVIDES BY 7 EQUALLY, THEREFORE THIS JUBILEE YEAR CANNOT BE MOVED. It was the last Jubilee kept by Israel before the Temple was burned in 70 AD.
Luk 3:1,22,23 "in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius...Jesus also being baptized... Jesus himself began to be ABOUT thirty years of age"
26 AD, 15th year of Tiberius, Jesus was baptized near his birthday, Tishri 1, 3787
Mon 2 Sep, Julian 1,464,983, Tishri 1, 3787 (SABBATIC YEAR), Jesus 30, when priests begin ministry
Sat 7 Sep, Julian 1,464,988, Tishri 6, 3787, Jesus announced the coming JUBILEE YEAR
Reading Isa 61:1,2, Jesus said, "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable (ratson, favour, from ratsah, pardon, i.e., the Jubilee) year of the LORD"
27 AD, 28 Mar, Julian 1,465,190, Nisan 1, 3788, JUBILEE YEAR began
FIRST PASSOVER OF JESUS' MINISTRY
10 Apr, Julian 1,465,203, Nisan 14, 3787, 1st Passover of Jesus' ministry, John 2:13
Sun 21 Sep, Julian: 1,465,367, Tishri 1, 3788, 46th year of Temple construction
SECOND PASSOVER OF JESUS' MINISTRY
28 AD, Nisan 14, 3788, 2nd Passover of Jesus' ministry, John 5:1
THIRD PASSOVER OF JESUS' MINISTRY
29 AD, Mon 18 Apr, Julian 1,465,942, Nisan 14, 3789, 3rd Passover of Jesus' ministry, John 6:4
30 AD, Thu 6 Apr, Julian (1,466,295), Nisan 13, 3790 (354 day year) Preparation Day for 4th Passover of Jesus' ministry (John 12:1) (our son David's birthday)
DATES OF THE FEAST DAYS IN THE SPRING OF 3790
--Fri 7 Apr, Julian: 1,466,296, Nisan 14, 3790, Passover
--Sat 8 Apr, Julian: 1,466,297, Nisan 15, 3790, Unleavened Bread, Israel left Rameses
--Sun 9 Apr, Julian: 1,466,298, Nisan 16, 3790, Firstfruits, Annual Sabbath, Jesus' Resurrection
--Sun 28 May, Julian: 1,466.347, Sivan 6, Feast of Weeks, Pentecost, counting Omer 1 on Firstfruits
--Mon 29 May, Julian: 1455.348, Sivan 7, Feast of Weeks, Pentecost, counting Omer 1 on day after Firstfruits (May 29 is our daughter Carol's birthday).
> > Only time land is returned to the previous owner is on a "Jubilee".The corrected year was 1950 when Jerusalem was returned. Those who understand time his return will also be on a Jubilee year. This is how a Holy a perfect God works."
Here is how I figured it:
The Balfour Declaration was signed 2 November 1917 giving the Jews the right to return to their land.
2 November 1917 = 17th of Cheshvan, 5678
The Jubilee is a 49-year cycle. The 50th year is the Jubilee and the 1st year of the next cycle.
Using the Gregorian Calendar:
1917 + 49 = 1966
1966 + 49 = 2015
The Jubilee would be 2016
Using the Hebrew Calendar:
Cheshvan 17, 5678
5678 + 49 = 5727
5727 + 49 = 5776
A Jubilee Year has to be preceded by a Sabbatical Year. The year 5775 is Sabbatical. It divides by 7 evenly. Therefore, a Jubilee Year could start on Nisan 1, 5776 (Sat. April 9, 2016) and end Nisan 1, 5777 (Tue, 28 March 2017).
The coming Jubilee would be announced on the previous Day of Atonement - 10th of Tishrei, 5776 = Wed, 23 September 2015.
RE: JESUS' BIRTH
> > If his birth was in 1 B.C. his 14th birthday would have been in 2013, since there is no "zero" year between B.C. and A.D.
You probably meant 13 AD instead of 2013. Agape
INCOMING EMAIL, Re: question??
In Gensis 6:3.............man is given the 120 years of life.
So in God's calendar of every 50th year being a Jubilee year.
It is easy to see that the 120 Jubliee's of God's Calendar make up the 6000
year of mankind.
Gen 6:3 says, "And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with
man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty
That says 120 years, not 120 Jubilees. Literally, that 120 years ended when
Noah entered the Ark and the Lord closed the door.
However, those things can be types of things to come. We know that a day can
be "as a thousand years."
2Pe_3:8 says, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day
is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."
Your 6000 years do seem reasonable for man's time of being tested. It looks
like Gentiles were tested about 2000 years, Israelites were tested about
2000 years, and the Church is being tested about 2000 years. We seem to have
entered the end times at the end of 6000 years. Noah's days could be a type
of things still to come in our days.
I wonder if the Rapture could be on Cheshvan 17. Scripture says, "the
windows of heaven were opened."
Gen 7:10-13 says, "And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of
the flood were upon the earth. 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life,
in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all
the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were
opened. 12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. 13
In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons
of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into
the ark". Agape
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