Pro and Con 1754

Posted 10-12-13

THIS AMAZING SEA PEN DIDN'T JUST EVOLVE!


There are about 300 species. Their stinging tentacles retract into the seabed at low tide, and filter feed at high tide.

"Sea pens...are actually colonies of anemone-like polyps working together for the survival of the whole, feed on plankton
and organic particles that float by in the water. The individual polyps of the sea pen, which typically
attaches itself to the sandy seafloor, feed using small tentacles to secure the passing food."
Answerbag http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/2065871#ixzz2hEsMWxOU

INCOMING EMAIL

"Correction from Miriam Howard
"Speculation of Rapture Date One Year Off

"The Lord has ALWAYS done His major work INSIDE Israel's Sabbatical year, not outside it.

"Israel's next sabbatical year does not open
until the fall of 2014, on Tishri 1, September 25th
We will NOT be raptured until the spring of 2015

"In 2015, First Fruits, Sunday, Nisan 15/16 or April 5th in Jerusalem. INSIDE another Sabbatical year- the remnant of all Israel will finally be 'set free as the Mosaic Law commands, never to be under bondage again!"

MY REPLY

I am not giving up on our upcoming Hanukkah/Thanksgiving/ISON perihelion as a possible day of the First-Trump Rapture. It will come before I am 85 in December too. The last time Hanukkah and Thanksgiving were on the same day was in 1888. There will not be another for 79,043 years. This is something special.

I think the Last-Trump Rapture will be Tishri 1, 5775, Mon. Sept. 14, 2015, the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of the Lord, the Day of God's Wrath.

I wonder if the following "Done Deal" will be a 7-year covenant.

"US-Iran - a Done Deal
"Obama, Putin and Khamenei Finishing Drafting a Partial Nuclear Accord"

"DEBKA-Net-Weekly Vol. 13, Issue 606, October 11, 2013

"Majlis Speaker Ali Larijani gave the game away Wednesday, Oct. 6, when he said Iran has more enriched uranium that it needs and would use the surplus as a bargaining chip at the nuclear talks in Geneva next week.

"As one of Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's most senior loyalists, Larijani's words in an AP interview signaled concord between his master and US President Barack Obama on a framework for the way forward in Geneva on Iran's nuclear program, that would be built around a halt on 20-percent grade uranium enrichment.

"Through the process of negotiations, yes, things can be said and they can discuss this matter," Larijani said ahead of the talks opening in Geneva on Oct. 15 with representatives of P5+1 forum (the five permanent Security Council members plus Germany)....

"United States, Russia and Iran have been rolling out a meticulously-choreographed performance..."

MY THOUGHTS

Dan 9:26 says, "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

A POST ON FIVE DOVES, RE: GM (11 Oct 2013) "Marilyn re GM re Earnest"

Thanks for your input and correction. Silly errors I miss are a way God keeps me humble. I actually try to find those things but am often distracted by the process of turning thoughts into letters, silly things. J

I'll try to reference your input in order:

Regarding the creation calendar guy, I agree that he is not a reliable source. I was thinking Torah calendar, with which he seems to have some relationship.

Regarding calendars, my thought is that we have ample evidence to suggest that God (G_d for the Hebrews) is using the current Hillel to speak to the Hebrew nation today.

My only purpose was to simply note a concept that was reflecting an even 2000 years.

I recently bumped into writings by this individual and found his teachings to sound well founded, but based on non-biblical, non-Hebraic teachings. Also, he freely launches into criticisms of historical work without backing up his claims about them.

You copied this below:

Only time land is returned to the previous owner is on a "Jubilee".The> corrected year was 1950 when Jerusalem was returned. Those who > understand time his return will also be on a Jubilee year. This is how a > Holy a perfect God works.”

I did not write this, it is one of Earnest's comments. In fact, it is a comment that I struggled with and started to hurt my brain until I read through the post a couple of times.

Regarding Jesus' birth, I know you have done a very commendable study and have offered more here than I have previously seen. Applying the date of birth to events later in life is indeed interesting. That is part of the "full speed ahead" study I was lead through this summer, albeit with a different starting point.

I need a bit more time to fully take in your study of these times. I do agree that 9/23/2015 should be a big day and likely the announcement of the jubilee.

You are correct regarding my intention to reference 13 A.D. rather than 2013. Thank you for understanding. As I was writing that off the top of my head, very late, I actually miss-stated my own year. I subtracted the one transitional BC AD year from 2 instead of 3 BC.

To clarify, I consider that Jesus' conception was about Sept. 20, 3 B.C. To me, this is how he came on Rosh Hashanah. Looking at Stellarium, or the like, in Virgo I believe you will find it interesting; Mars at the head of Virgo, Mercury at the shoulders and the Sun at Spica with the moon conjuncting. More writing is necessary to do this justice. For now, consider Luke stating that Gabriel came to Mary in the sixth month. If the sixth month is indeed Elul, then this may have happened very shortly before Rosh Hashanah officially began. Jesus birth would follow in June, which was Tamuz that year. I really should write this up more extensively.

I appreciate your study, and thanks for helping me clarify my comments.
GM

MY REPLY

> > To clarify, I consider that Jesus' conception was about Sept. 20, 3 B.C. To me, this is how he came on Rosh Hashanah. Looking at Stellarium, or the like, in Virgo I believe you will find it interesting; Mars at the head of Virgo, Mercury at the shoulders and the Sun at Spica with the moon conjuncting. More writing is necessary to do this justice. For now, consider Luke stating that Gabriel came to Mary in the sixth month. If the sixth month is indeed Elul, then this may have happened very shortly before Rosh Hashanah officially began. Jesus birth would follow in June, which was Tamuz that year. I really should write this up more extensively.

I think Jesus was conceived on Kislev 24 and was born on Tishri 1, the following Feast of Trumpets in BC 5. The sign of Rev 12 was in the sky on Sept. 4, 5 BC.

THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE MAY BE ON KISLEV 24 OR 25, NOV. 27 OR 28, 2013

Hag 2:18,19 says, "Consider (sum labab, take it to heart) now from (min, from or after) this day and UPWARD (maal, on high, from alah, to ascend), from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month (i.e., Kislev 24), even from the day that the foundation (i.e., there is no other foundation but Jesus, 1 Co 3:11) of the LORD'S temple (i.e., we are the temple of the Holy Spirit) was laid (yasad, founded), consider it (i.e., take it to heart). 19 Is the seed (i.e., Jesus, Gen. 3:15) yet in the barn? (a saying meaning is she pregnant?) yea (YES, i.e., Jesus was conceived on Kislev 24), as yet the vine (Jesus), and the fig tree (Israel), and the pomegranate (the upright), and the olive tree (Israel with Gentile believers grafted in), hath not brought forth (NASA, LIFTED UP, i.e., been Raptured): from (min, from or after) this day (i.e., from or after Kislev 24) will I bless you."

Kislev 25 is Hanukkah. This is when oil for one day lasted 8 days.

THE PARABLE OF THE TEN VIRGINS

Mat 25:1-10 says, "Then (i.e., on Kislev 25?) shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. 2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: 4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom (i.e., Christ) cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone (lit., going) out. 9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut."

Mt 24:50,51 says, "The lord of that servant (i.e., the foolish one) shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut him asunder (i.e., cut him off), and appoint him his portion (i.e., the Great Tribulation) with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

The next day is Kislev 25, Hanukkah, when the oil for one day began to last eight days (Kislev 25- Teveth 2), the length of time for making new oil. Hanukkah lasts 8 days. The foolish virgins had to wait 8 days to buy new oil. In the meantime the wise virgins that were ready went with the bridegroom, who is Christ.

Luk 12:45,46 says, "But and if that servant (the unwise one) say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (i.e., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (i.e., of the Great Tribulation) with the unbelievers."

If Jesus was conceived on Kislev 24, he could have been born on the following Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 4, 5 BC.

KISLEV 25, THE FIRST DAY OF HANUKKAH MAY BE THE DATE OF THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE

For Hanukkah to fall on our Thanksgiving is rare. The last time it happened was in 1888. It won't happen again for 79,043 years. Therefore, something special, the First-Trump Rapture, may take place on the first day of Hanukkah this year. That will also be the day comet ISON is at perihelion, it's closest to the Sun, and LORD of hosts is called the Sun of Righteousness in Mal 4:1,2.

If the Rapture happens on Hanukkah, I will still be 84. My birthday is in the early part of December. That matters to me. My dad and husband Ed both died when 87. My mom died at 84.

On the morning after her funeral, I awoke and heard her voice saying, "Marilyn, there's no way I'm 84 years old." Of course, she was 33, as my husband was when he visited me in his celestial body. I needed to know that she was 84 for some reason. She was 84 when she went to Heaven, and I hope I am 84 when I go. The clues are adding up. Agape

INCOMING EMAIL

"As Dr. Selim Hassan (6), stated in his report regarding his excavation of the Sphinx enclosure of the 1940s:

Taking all things into consideration, it seems that we must give the credit of erecting this, the world's most wonderful statue, to Khafre, but always with this reservation that there is not one single contemporary inscription which connects the Sphinx with Khafre, so sound as it may appear, we must treat the evidence as circumstantial, until such time as a lucky turn of the spade of the excavator will reveal to the world a definite reference to the erection of the Sphinx.

http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/egyptsphinx.htm "The 'Inventory stella' - Found at Ghiza by Auguste Mariette in the 1850's, in the ruins of the Temple of Isis clearly states that Khufu restored the Sphinx. This stone provides some of the strongest evidence that the Sphinx was constructed before Khufu and not by him. It says:

Long live The King of Upper and Lower Egypt, Khufu, given life

He found the house of Isis, Mistress of the Pyramid, by the side of the hollow of Hwran (The Sphinx)

and he built his pyramid beside the temple of this goddess and he built a pyramid for the King's daughter Henutsen beside this temple.

The place of Hwran Horemakhet is on the South side of the House of Isis, Mistress of the pyramid

He restored the statue, all covered in painting, of the guardian of the atmosphere, who guides the winds with his gaze.

He replaced the back part of the Nemes head-dress, which was missing with gilded stone

The figure of this god, cut in stone, is solid and will last to eternity, keeping its face looking always to the East '(10).

...Which implies that the Sphinx (and a temple to Isis), were extant before Khufu...

A POST ON FIVE DOVES

By Michael Colunga (8 Oct 2013)
"What time of day was the Universe created?"

Well, let's see. When Yeshua Ha Mashiach announces the 70th Jubilee, it just might be 10 Tishrei 5776 (beginning the evening of 22 September, 2015). So, 5775 years would be complete since Creation.

But 5775 is not 6000. So we use 2 Peter 3:8 and come up with 5 hours and 24 minutes missing.

If we take 6 pm to be the beginning of the day, Jerusalem time. Then perhaps the Good LORD started (and completed) the initial creation of planets and stars at about 11:24 pm--again, Jerusalem time.

After all, it is written,
1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2Now the earth was formless and empty,
darkness was over the surface of the deep,
and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
Genesis 1:1-2 NIV

In that case, Genesis 1:3-5 encompasses the first sunrise over Mount Moriah [2 Chronicles 3:1].

There you go. And wherever you go, there you are.

~Blessings, Mike

MY REPLY

I don't know what time of day the universe was created, or even what day it was created, but I know that Earth was created to be inhabited. Later, something caused it to become formless and empty. There is a gap between Gen. 1:1 and 2. Something terrible happened between the first 2 verses in the Bible.

> > After all, it is written,
a > > 1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2Now the earth was formless and empty,
darkness was over the surface of the deep,
and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
Genesis 1:1-2 NIV

The Earth BECAME tohu and bohu, without form, and void. God did not create it that way.

I will quote Gen 1:1,2 from the KJV, because it uses "was" to translate "hayah", and "was" (in italics) when it has to be supplied by the translator.

In the Old Testament, when "hayah" is used, it denotes change, so here it means "became". If it has to be supplied by the translator, there is no change.

Gen 1:1,2 says, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was (hayah, i.e., became) without form (tohu, waste, desolation), and void (bohu, empty, an undistinguishable ruin); and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

Something terrible happened to Earth when it became without form, and void. I think an asteroid hit Earth, digging the Moon material out of our Pacific Basin. That catastrophe seems to have put an end to the habitation of "the angels which kept not their first estate".

Jud 1:6 says, "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

Isa_45:18 says, "For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, HE CREATED IT NOT IN VAIN, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else."

2Pe 3:5-7 says, "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

The asteroid Wormwood will hit Babylon on the great and terrible Day of the Lord (Rev. 8:11; 18:21). It will cause fire.

Isa_51:6 says, "Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished."

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: You and Ed meant for each other

I can't find what you're referring to, seeing Ed in his celestial body. Was Ed your husband? This is of great interest to me, because my ex-husband, my one true love, is in heaven now, and I believe he is talking to me somehow and communicating to me that he loves me, and we're both anxious to be together in heaven. I want to know, will married couples still be married when they are in heaven? Will they continue a married relationship, or are we all going to be one big bunch of "friends" up there? Did you see Ed actually walk through walls?

Please tell me more. This is very important to me. I loved my husband with all my heart, and I believe God put us together, and death has not separated us.

Blessings

MY REPLY

Yes, Ed and I were married 65 years. He died December 27, 2011. On the following April 2, 2012, I was resting on the bed, propped up as if watching TV, but I hadn’t turned it on yet. In strode Ed at a fast clip, grinning from ear to ear. He looked like he did at 33, not 87 as when he died. He was dressed in a black suit of thin material that had the flow and sheen of silk shirt material. It flowed around his shin as he walked. He looked exactly as he had looked at 33.

I recognized him the second I saw him, told him I thought I would be with him on Ascension Day (which hasn't taken place yet), and asked him to get on the bed so I could hug him. He normally would have done that, but this time, he walked up to about where my head was, turned around, and just stood there facing the way he came in. I got the message instantly, "No touch," like when Jesus told Mary Magdalene not to touch him, that he had not yet ascended to the Father.

Joh_20:17 says, "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

I got that message quick, then started asking Ed questions as fast as I could get them out of my mouth.

"Are you 30 or 33?" He said, "33."
"Can we be together forever?" He said, "Yes."
"Are there female angels in Heaven? He said, "Yes."
"Have you gotten with your family?" He said, "Yes."
"Have you gotten with my family?" He said, "Yes."
"Do you have a piano? He said, "Yes" and walked through the wall, clothing and all. The last thing I saw was a bit of his suit as it disappeared.

He was in his celestial body. He looked exactly as he did at 33, but he could walk through the wall, as Jesus did after his resurrection.

1Co_15:40 says, "There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another."

It looks like the celestial body is adapted to life in Heaven as the terrestrial body is adapted to life on Earth.

Now for some background. On board ship, coming home from Japan after WW II, Ed prayed for a Christian wife, and the Lord chose me.

He had to pull off some miracles to get this Indiana girl and Tennessee boy together. My dad had to get transferred from Vigo Ordinance, Terre Haute, IN, to Holston Ordinance Works, Kingsport, TN, where he was the Safety Engineer. Ed's stepfather had to get a job at H.O.W. Then both our families had to move out of Kingsport into Staff Quarters at H.O.W. 4 miles out of town. We first met when we both got off the city bus together, and talked as we walked up the winding road to the Staff houses.

Several months later, Ed phoned and asked me to go to the carnival with him on Wednesday, July 3, 1946. He put some thought into it, and made it a double date with his brother and my best girl friend. Afterward, we spent the time until midnight at his house. I met his family. He played the piano for me, and we listened to records as we talked.

Following that, we were together each day from just after breakfast until a bit after midnight. Besides the music, we played badminton, took pictures, went on hikes, gathered blackberries and raspberries, and went for drives in the car. We talked constantly, and got acquainted fast. On Saturday, our 4th day of getting together, he asked me to marry him, and I said, "Yes." Neither of us had said, "I love you" until after I said, "Yes," but we knew it. We felt it. We knew right away that we were meant to be together. We never had an awkward moment between us. We had about 65 years together without a fight. Before he died, I said, "I love you so much, I want to be with you forever." Now, "Thank you, Lord", I have that to look forward to. This separation will seem like a short time compared to forever.

This is what had worried me. Mat 22:28-30 says, "Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her. 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

However, we were married on Earth. Mat_19:6 says, "Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

I needed to be assured that we could be together. Now I know. We don't need to marry in heaven, because we were married, and became one flesh, on Earth.

Now that I know that, it is easier to wait until the Rapture takes place. He has to be separated from me until the Rapture too. We will both be happy when we can be together again.

He had visited both of our families. Therefore, all those are awake. The sleeping in Jesus is just from our viewpoint on Earth. To us, he seems to be asleep, but in Heaven, he and our families are awake.

In Mat_22:32, Jesus said, "I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."

Luk_20:38 says, "For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him." Agape

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