Pro and Con 1767

Posted 12-7-13

THE FLY-TRAP ANEMONE SCAVENGER SHOWS THAT GOD LIKES PRETTY
THINGS, EVEN IN THE DEPTHS OF THE SEA WHERE FEW WOULD SEE
THEM. HERE THE COLOR OF THE ROCKS ENHANCE THE BEAUTY.

AT LEAST 21 MAJOR PIECES OF COMET ISON SURVIVED ITS TRIP AROUND
THE SUN AND ARE HEADED FOR THE LITTLE SHEEPFOLD
AND CEPHEUS, THE KING OF KINGS, i.e., CHRIST

THE BIG WHACK

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tothemoon/origins2.html

A conference in Kona, Hawaii in 1984 jumpstarted research into the origin of the Moon. By the mid nineties, Canup could see that a big whacker might have impacted Earth and driven off the material now contained on the Moon.

The elements on the Moon match the elements on Earth.

"...the Big Whack stands up nicely against what we now know of the moon. According to theoretical models, the impact would have destroyed the impactor, sending most of its remains, along with huge amounts of the Earth's mantle, into an Earth-orbiting debris cloud that ultimately coalesced into the moon. This would explain the reduced density of the moon, which is believed to be composed of two-thirds impactor and one-third Earth mantle. And it explains its tiny core: Since the models suggest that the moon must have got its core iron from later, smaller impacts. By the same token, Earth got its additional volatile elements from later impacts from comets and carbonaceous meteors. Finally, the Big Whack can account well for the Earth-moon's angular momentum and even our planet's odd, 23.5-degree tilt off the ecliptic plane (the invisible platter on which nearly all planets orbit the sun)."

MY COMMENTS

This is the first time I have heard anyone say that "the models suggest that all of the impactor's core wound up in the Earth's core." That would mean that the core of Satan's planet Rahab enlarged the core of Earth before Adam was created. Is that possible?

If so, that burying of Rahab's core could have taken place at the deepest part of the Pacific Ocean, the Mariana Trench, east of the Mariana Islands. Nothing in the Mid-Atlantic Rift valley in the middle of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge can match that. The Challenger Deep, the southern end of the Mariana Trench, is about 6.78 miles deep. Contrast that with the average depth of the ocean, 2.65 miles.

"On January 23, 1960, the bathyscaph Trieste reached the greatest oceanic depth existing on our planet. Jacques Piccard and Lieutenant Don Walsh of the United States Navy, piloted the Trieste to the sea floor in the...Challenger Deep.

"Although their onboard depth indicator registered 37,800 feet, this was later corrected to 35,800 feet (i.e., 6.78 miles) as the result of calculations by Dr. John Knauss (a future administrator of NOAA) and Dr. John Lyman."
http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/history/quotes/soundings/soundings.html

No wonder the civilization of the angels that left their own habitation and lived at Gobekli Tepe, Anatolia, Turkey, got buried with soil. A world-wide earthquake would have shaken Earth like a gong while the left-behind debris from both Earth and Rahab settled out of the atmosphere, resurfacing the entire Earth and providing nutrients needed to keep the top soil fertile. That enhanced fertility may be why mankind lived so long between the creation of Adam in 4043 BC and Noah's Flood.

ANTEDILUVIAN PATRIARCHS

(4042 AH = 2/1 BC, 4043 AH = 1 BC/1 AD, there is no zero year)

40 AH = 4004/3 BC = -243 Jewish. Adam expelled from the Garden of Eden. Beginning of the first 1000-year Day, the 2000-year Age of Gentiles, and the 1616-year Dispensation of Conscience.
130 AH = 3913 BC Seth born when Adam was 130 years old (Genesis 5:3)
235 AH = 3808 BC Enos born when Seth was 105 (Gen 5:6)
282 AH = 3762/61 BC = -1 Jewish
283 AH = 3761/60 BC = +1 Jewish, Jewish calendar began Oct 7, 3761 BC
325 AH Cainan born when Enos was 90 (Gen 5:9)
395 AH Mahalaleel born when Cainan was 70 (Gen 5:12)
460 AH Jared born when Mahalaleel was 65 (Gen 5:15)
622 AH = 3421 BC Enoch born when Jared was 162 (Gen 5:18)
DOUBLE CHECK: "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam" (Jude 14). None are left out. None can be added.
687 AH = 3356 BC Methuselah born when Enoch was 65 (Gen 5:21)
874 AH Lamech born when Methuselah was 187 (Gen 5:25)
930 AH = 3113 BC Adam died when 930 (Gen 5:5). (He would have passed on the information the Lord gave him to Lamech, who would have passed it on to Noah.)
987 AH = Enoch's Rapture when 365 years old, 669 years before the Flood
1040 AH = 3003 BC. Beginning of second 1000-year Day
1056 AH = 2987 BC Noah born when Lamech was 182 (Gen 5:28)
1558 AH Shem born (Gen 11:10). (Noah born 1056 AH. He was 600 when flood began. Flood was in 1656 AH. Shem was 100 two yrs after Flood, so was 98 when Flood began. Therefore, he was born 1558 AH when Noah was 502)
1651 AH Lamech died at 777 (Gen 5:31), 5 yrs before the Flood
1656 AH = 2387 BC The Flood after Methuselah died at 969 (Gen 7:27), when Noah was 600 (Gen 7:6).
Beginning of the 427-year Dispensation of Human Government
DOUBLE CHECK:Methuselah lived 969 years and then the Flood came, Genesis 5:27. (687 AH + 969 = 1656 AH).
DOUBLE CHECK: Noah was 600 yrs old when the Flood came, Gen 7:6. (1056 AH + 600 = 1656 AH).
DOUBLE CHECK: Adam lived 930 yrs. Methuselah lived 969 yrs. Their lives overlapped 243 yrs. (930 + 969 = 1899 - 1656 to Flood = 243, making any changes difficult)

Isa 51:9,10 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (chatsab, cut, carved, split, dug, quarried) Rahab, and wounded the dragon? (i.e, Satan) 10 Art thou not it which hath dried the sea, the waters of the great deep; that hath made the depths of the sea a way for the ransomed to pass over?"

I believe that these ransomed ones were the angels. Adam had not yet been created. The angels were tested, and judged, before Adam was created. It seems that Satan appealed the sentence, and man was created not being able to see God to prove a point to Satan. If man, who could not see God, could still obey him, God would be proved just in sentencing the fallen angels to their prison. They could see God and failed to obey him.

Jud 1:6 says, "And the angels which kept not their first estate (i.e., on the planet Rehab), but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

The debris covered the angel's settlement at Gobekli-Tepe. I knew the angels did not bury the numerous stone circles. That would have taken more energy and close-by material than they possessed. This cessation of angelic habitation happened suddenly, not over a period of years.

Later, after Adam was created, after some angels that were free took wives from among mankind, and giants were born on Earth, Noah's Flood destroyed them.

Jud 1:7 says, "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

In Eze 28:12-16, the Lord said, "Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus (rock, i.e., Satan, king of Rahab), and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius (Mercury), topaz (Venus), and the diamond (Earth), the beryl (Mars), the onyx (Rahab), and the jasper (Jupiter), the sapphire (Saturn, 3rd Heaven from Earth), the emerald (Uranus), and the carbuncle (Neptune), and gold (Pluto): the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub (i.e., Satan) that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God (i.e., Saturn, our 3rd heaven Paul visited); thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire (i.e., on Rahab). 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God (i.e., Saturn): and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst (on Rahab) of the stones of fire."

Continuing, Eze 28:17-19 says, "Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. 18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries (i.e., on Rahab and Earth) by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more."

Jer 4:23-28 says, "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form (tohu, waste), and void (bohu, empty); and the heavens, and they had no light (H216 or, i.e., illumination, sunshine). 24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was NO MAN (H120,adam), and all the birds of the heavens were fled. 26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. 27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. 28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it."

Psa 89:8-11 says, "O LORD God of hosts, who is a strong LORD like unto thee? or to thy faithfulness round about thee? 9 Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them. 10 Thou hast broken Rahab in pieces, as one that is slain; thou hast scattered thine enemies with thy strong arm. 11 The heavens are thine, the earth also is thine".

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: visit from your husband

...When you saw your husband, was he "physical" - you said he wouldn't let you touch him, but did he look solid, flesh and bone, yet he could walk through walls? I just want to know if husbands and wives will be able to hug each other, or are we all going to be glowing bodies of light?

Thanks, Marilyn. God bless you. I think it's this year we will be in heaven, I'm hearing this everywhere.

MY REPLY

Ed looked completely normal, solid. He was grinning ear to ear. His pant leg flowed around his shin as if the leg was solid. His clothing hung on his shoulders, arms and waist as if the body was solid. But that same body walked through the wall, clothing and shoes too.

Playing out the Rapture in the Preview in Rev 1:10,11, John said, I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last"

Also depicting the First-Trump Rapture, Rev 4:1,2 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."

I think "in the Spirit" there indicates the celestial body of 1Co 15.

1Co 15:40-44 says, "There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

The main differences: Ed's natural body was 87 years old, could not walk, and had white hair. His spiritual body was 33, had dark brown hair, and had the power to walk through the end of the dresser and the wall. His feet did not bother the multiple plug-in electrical strip on the floor either.

Ed could walk fast, stand up straight, think, hear and talk in his normal voice. Everything seemed normal, except "no touch" and walking through the wall. I understood the "no touch". He did not say it. In a flash, I just remembered that Christ could not be touched in the morning he came out of the tomb.

When Jesus descends at the time of the Rapture, he will bring the dead in Christ with him. They will get their resurrection bodies before we get ours. Then we will rise up and meet Christ in the air. At what point we get our resurrection bodies, I don't know. Agape

FORMATION OF THE MOON

Giant impact hypothesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_impact_hypothesis

"The giant impact hypothesis states that the Moon was formed out of the debris left over from a collision between the Earth and a body the size of Mars...

The giant impact hypothesis is the currently-favoured scientific hypothesis for the formation of the Moon.[2] Supporting evidence includes: the Earth's spin and Moon's orbit having similar orientations,[3] Moon samples indicating the surface of the Moon was once molten, the Moon's relatively small iron core, lower density compared to the Earth, evidence of similar collisions in other star systems (that result in debris disks), and that giant collisions are consistent with the leading theories of the formation of the solar system. Finally, the stable isotope ratios of lunar and terrestrial rock are identical, implying a common origin.[4]"...

In 2001, a team at the Carnegie Institute of Washington reported the most precise measurement of the isotopic signatures of lunar rocks.[4] To their surprise, the team found that the rocks from the Apollo program carried an isotopic signature that was identical with rocks from Earth, and were different from almost all other bodies in the Solar System.

A POST ON FIVE DOVES, RE: Lisa Taylor (30 Nov 2013) "To Marilyn re: The Trinity & Christ in the Air"

I have just a few final thoughts. I think you may be blurring the three persons of the Godhead too much.

You said: "Actually, as God, he was in all places at one time. As man, he was in one place at one time. As a visible man, Jesus had to ascend out of man's sight before he could descend 10 days later and enter into each believer on Pentecost."

First, only the Word became flesh. There is no Scripture that has the Father or the Holy Spirit becoming incarnate; so the Father and the Spirit are not confined to being in one place at one time. Jesus, however, chose to be confined to a mortal body. He chose to become like us.

Second, Scripture expressly tells us that the Holy Spirit entered each believer on Pentecost - not Jesus Christ. Here are the words of Peter on that Pentecost:

"This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool." Acts 2:32-35.

And for further clarification: "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4.

It was the Holy Spirit who came down on Pentecost - while Jesus was sitting on the right hand of the Father, after he had "ascended into the heavens." And that was my original point many posts ago - we know where Jesus can be found now. So the search for a worthy man in Revelation 5 had to occur prior to the time that He sat down in heaven.

The Trinity

Here is a quick definition that I found on the Blue Letter Bible site, by Don Stewart:

"The doctrine of the Trinity, simply stated, is as follows: The Bible teaches that there is one eternal God who is the Creator and Sustainer of the universe. He is the only God that exists. However, within the nature of this one God are three persons, or three centers of consciousness - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three Persons are co-equal and co-eternal. They are also distinguishable or distinct from one another. These three distinct Persons are the one God. Everything that is true about God is true about the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit."

So, yes, there is one God, but He is exists as three distinct persons.

Effect of the Incarnation

The Incarnation required Jesus to subject Himself to the limitations of a mortal body. He never stopped being God, however. His deity was still evidenced by His many miracles and the ability to see into the minds of the people around Him. BUT He also allowed Himself to get hungry, to get thirsty, to feel pain, etc. Though still God, He humbled Himself.

"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.” Philippians 2:5-8.

I have already cited verses to show that when the incarnate Jesus was here on earth, He was not in heaven with the Father. I also cited verses which show that the incarnate Jesus did not sit down on the right hand of God until after His death and resurrection. If these Scriptures cannot convince you of this, then I surely cannot.

Remember that Jesus became a mortal at a specific point in history. He was not always mortal, but He was willing to take on mortality for us. And a mortal body has limitations. Point in fact: it cannot be in two places at once.

In fact, Jesus is still in a body, albeit an immortal one. "Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have." Luke 24:39. So, Jesus is still bound by the parameters of a body. And His resurrected body is like the ones that we are all hoping to get someday.

Can an immortal body be omnipresent? I do not think so. After His resurrection, we see Jesus appearing and disappearing, but we do not see Him appearing at simultaneous locations.

At any rate, why would the universe fall apart just because Jesus was in a body that was (is?) restricted to one location? He was and is and will be the Word. The Father is the will, the Son speaks or expresses that will, and the Spirit accomplishes the will of God. ("I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." John 5:30.)

Why would that change? As words are expressions of abstract thought or ideas, Jesus the Word is the expression of God. His incarnation is just another form of this expression. When the Word became flesh, Jesus Christ became God expressed in a physical form. The Word Incarnate is the ultimate way that God speaks to us.

"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they." Hebrews 1:1-4.

Spirit, Soul, and Body

Let me tell you from the outset that this is going to be a very imperfect analogy between human beings and God. (But I won't let that stop me from going forward with it :) As you probably know, human beings also have a triune nature.

"And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Thessalonians 5:23.

This triune composition makes sense because we are made in the image of God. Each person of the Trinity, however, is fully realized and distinct.

[I am afraid that I have to give the New Agers credit for this phrase - "body, mind and spirit." But I prefer the use of the word "mind" instead of the word "soul." Maybe because the word "soul" is not as obviously defined as the words "body" or "spirit." I see the Father as the mind or will of the Trinity.]

I believe that our reconciliation to God is accomplished in three stages. First, our spirits to the Holy Spirit - at the second birth when we are born of the Spirit. Second, our bodies to the body of Christ - at the resurrection when we get immortal bodies. Third, our mind to the mind of God - when we see Him face to face in eternity.

Now here is the analogy: The spirit and soul of a human being can exist and function separate from the body. Just ask the millions of people who are currently in heaven or hell. If this is possible for us, then the Father and Holy Spirit should also be able to function even if Jesus the Body is restricted to one location.

This would explain how Jesus, weighed down with our sins on the cross, could be forsaken by the Father. Their fellowship was broken by the presence of sin.

My final thought on the location of Christ

According to Jesus Himself, the Son left the Father in heaven in order to come to earth: "I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father." John 16:28.

I am going to have to take Jesus' word on this issue. He would know where He was and where He was not.

Lord in the Air

So where was Jesus if he was not in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth? He was in the air.

During the Ascension, His disciples watched Him being taken upward until He went out of sight into a cloud:

"And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." Acts 1:9-11.

Significantly, they were told that Jesus would return in like manner. And we find the following prophecy about to our own resurrection:

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17.

Please note that Jesus will descend from heaven to meet us in the air. He had to pass through the air during His Ascension; and He will descend back to it again to get us.

I have previously told you that I believe in a Sixth Seal Rapture. I believe that you can see the effect of the resurrections of the dead and the living in the applicable passage:

"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places." Rev 6:12-14.

First, we see a great earthquake. And we know that the dead in Christ will be resurrected first in the Rapture. I believe that there is an earthquake-resurrection pattern established in the Bible: by Jesus in Matthew 27:50-51, by some Old Testament Saints in Matthew 27:52, and by the 2 Witnesses in Revelation 11:11-13. This pattern could explain the great earthquake that may result from the resurrection of bodies from the earth/graves.

Then we see activity in the heavens, including the atmosphere rolling up like a scroll. I believe that this could be explained by the catching up in the air and resurrection of those who are still alive at the time of the Rapture. The power released by their resurrection could have a detrimental impact to the atmosphere above the earth.

So, the Sixth Seal could be a description of the impact of the Rapture on the earth and above the earth.

Conclusion

Admittedly, the Trinity can be a difficult concept for us to fully understand. But there is enough support in Scripture to show that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are both one with and distinct from each other. God bless you in your studies. Lisa Taylor

MY REPLY

> > I think you may be blurring the three persons of the Godhead too much.
> > You said: "Actually, as God, he was in all places at one time. As man, he was in one place at one time. As a visible man, Jesus had to ascend out of man's sight before he could descend 10 days later and enter into each believer on Pentecost."
> > Scripture expressly tells us that the Holy Spirit entered each believer on Pentecost - not Jesus Christ.

The Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth, is the Spirit of Christ.

Joh_16:7 says, "It is expedient for you that I go away: for IF I GO NOT AWAY, THE COMFORTER WILL NOT COME UNTO YOU; BUT IF I DEPART, I WILL SEND HIM UNTO YOU."

Joh_14:28 says, "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I GO AWAY, AND COME AGAIN UNTO YOU."

Joh 14:18 says, "I WILL NOT LEAVE YOU COMFORTLESS: I WILL COME TO YOU."

Rom_8:9 says, "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the SPIRIT OF GOD DWELL IN YOU. Now if any man have not the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his."

2Co_13:5 says, "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that JESUS CHRIST IS IN YOU, except ye be reprobates?"

Gal_4:19 says, "My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you".

Joh 14:16 says, "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever".

Eph_4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

Joh 14:17 says, "Even the SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for HE DWELLETH WITH YOU, AND SHALL BE IN YOU."

Joh_15:4 says, "Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me."

Joh 14:20 says, "AT THAT DAY YE SHALL KNOW THAT I AM IN MY FATHER, AND YE IN ME, AND I IN YOU."

Heb 13:5 says, "Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he (i.e., Christ) hath said, I WILL NEVER LEAVE THEE, nor forsake thee."

1Pe_1:11 says, "Searching what, or what manner of time the SPIRIT OF CHRIST WHICH WAS IN THEM did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."

Joh_15:26 says, "But when THE COMFORTER is come, whom I WILL SEND UNTO YOU FROM THE FATHER, EVEN THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, WHICH PROCEEDETH FROM THE FATHER, he shall testify of me"

Joh_16:13 says, "Howbeit when he, the SPIRIT OF TRUTH, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."

Joh_15:26 says, "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me"

Joh_14:17 says, "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."

Rom_8:9 says, "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the SPIRIT OF GOD dwell in you. Now if any man have not the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his."

Rom_8:10,11 says, "And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you".

Php_1:6 says, "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ" (i.e., the day of the First-Trump Rapture)."

> > It was the Holy Spirit who came down on Pentecost - while Jesus was sitting on the right hand of the Father, after he had "ascended into the heavens." And that was my original point many posts ago - we know where Jesus can be found now. So the search for a worthy man in Revelation 5 had to occur prior to the time that He sat down in heaven.

Rev 4:1-4 takes place before Rev 5.

It says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, A THRONE WAS SET IN HEAVEN, AND ONE (Christ) sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (last stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (first stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is both the first and the last): and there was a rainbow (Saturn's rings) round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald (Judah's stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah). 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders (i.e., 12 patriarchs and 12 apostles of Israel) sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold."

> >I believe that our reconciliation to God is accomplished in three stages. First, our spirits to the Holy Spirit - at the second birth when we are born of the Spirit. Second, our bodies to the body of Christ - at the resurrection when we get immortal bodies. Third, our mind to the mind of God - when we see Him face to face in eternity.

> > Now here is the analogy: The spirit and soul of a human being can exist and function separate from the body. Just ask the millions of people who are currently in heaven or hell. If this is possible for us, then the Father and Holy Spirit should also be able to function even if Jesus the Body is restricted to one location.

If Jesus can indwell all Christians around the world, he isn't limited to one location.

My husband died Dec. 27, 2011. On April 2, 2012, he came to see me in his celestial body. Everything seemed normal except I couldn't hug him, his clothing looked like black silk shirt material, and he walked through the wall when he left. I asked him several questions, which he answered. He said he was 33. The main question I needed an answer to was, "Can we be together forever?" He said, "Yes." I am looking forward to being reunited with him on the day of the First-Trump Rapture.

> > I have previously told you that I believe in a Sixth Seal Rapture.

I believe in the First-Trump Rapture, the "Come up hither" in Rev 4:1, and the Last-Trump Rapture between the 6th and 7th seals.

> > Admittedly, the Trinity can be a difficult concept for us to fully understand. But there is enough support in Scripture to show that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are both one with and distinct from each other.

The word "trinity" does not appear in the KJV Bible. God bless. Agape

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