Pro and Con 1808

Posted 7-13-14

THIS BEAUTY SURE SHOWS OFF GOD'S ARTISTRY

These iridescent clouds seen over Nepal are different from any I have ever seen.

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html
Click "Iridescent Clouds over Thamserku" dated 2014 July 08

INCOMING EMAIL: "Iranians Learn Bible Prophecies (Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38)"

"Iran, Afghanistan and Tajikistan

"These three countries rank in the top 10 of the countries that are currently experiencing a per capita boom in Christian conversions. Iran is #1, Afghanistan #2, and Tajikistan is #10.

"Many Iranian Christians hope that the prophecy of Elam in Jeremiah 49:34-39 will enable them to escape from Iran. Hormoz Shariat and Bill Salus explain why the Rapture is their best exit strategy through faith in Jesus Christ! Jeremiah's prophecy concerning Elam predicts a disaster that forces many Iranians into exile, but the Rapture leaves no refugees behind. All who believe in Christ will be caught up into the clouds in the twinkling of an eye in the Rapture."

MY THOUGHTS

I listened to a couple of videos lately. Both men told how they broke out of Islam and became Christians. The idea that stands out is that they tried to be the perfect Muslim, but Muslim's were not happy.

One went to a Christian Church and was astonished. This church was filled with happy people. Must be something to this Christianity. The Lord brought him to Christ without a missionary's help. Fantastic.

THE MID-TRIB RAPTURE

By Marilyn Agee

Contrary to what some teach today, some early church fathers thought the Rapture would precede the 3.5 year Great Tribulation.

THE SEASON OF TEMPTATION THAT WILL COME UPON "ALL THE WORLD" SEEMS TO BE THE GREAT TRIBULATION

Rev 3:10 says, "Because thou (i.e., the Philadelphian Church) hast kept the word of my patience (hupomone, patient waiting), I also will keep thee FROM (ek, out of) the hour (hora, day, hour, instant, SEASON) of temptation (peirasmos, putting to proof, adversity, i.e., the Great Tribulation), which shall come upon all the world (MID-TRIB), to try (peirazo, test) them that dwell upon the earth."

IT LOOKS LIKE THE PHILADELPHIAN CHURCH WILL BECOME THE CALLED, CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL AT MID-TRIB

we must be sure that like the Philadelphian Church, we are wearing a white wedding garment. It is bad news if we don't have it. The Laodicean Church will get left behind. They will finally get caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture on the great Day of God's Wrath. They will be invited to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, but those caught up in the First-Trump Rapture will be the Bride of Christ.

Mat 22:11-14 says, "And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 14 For many are called, but few are chosen."

THE LAODICEAN SAINTS HAVE SPOTTED ROBES SO THEY ARE LEFT BEHIND AT THE FIRST RAPTURE

Rev 7:14,15 says, "And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, AND HAVE WASHED THEIR ROBES, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God"

HOW DO WE WASH OUR ROBES?

1Jn 1:9 says, "IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS, HE IS FAITHFUL AND JUST TO FORGIVE US our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE TAKES PLACE BEFORE THE TEN KINGS TAKE OFFICE

Rev 17:12-14 says, "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they (i.e., the Body of Christ) that are WITH HIM (Christ) are called, and chosen, and faithful."

Luk 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant (i.e., the unwise) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him HIS PORTION (i.e., the last half of the Tribulation) with the unbelievers."

The wise Philadelphian servants do not have the Great Tribulation to look forward to. The unwise Laodicean servants do have it to look forward to.

To him, Mat 24:51 says, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion (i.e., of the Tribulation) with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Mt 22:13,14 agrees. It says, "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 14 For many are called, but few are chosen."

WHAT DID THE EARLY CHURCH FATHERS SAY?

http://www.city-data.com/forum/christianity/575824-what-did-early-church-fathers-say.html

Irenaeus (138-202), who knew Hippolytus, Polycarp and Justin Martyr, wrote: "And they [the ten kings who will arise] shall lay Babylon waste, and burn her with fire, and shall give their kingdom to the beast, and put the church to flight" (Against Heresies, V,26)."

That is talking about the harlot church, the Catholic Church in Rome when the Antichrist and False prophet, the 666, are in charge of it.

Rev 17:3-5 says, "So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness (eremos, desert, i.e., southern Iraq): and I saw a woman (i.e., the Harlot Church) sit upon a scarlet coloured beast (i.e., Lucifer, Satan), full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns (i.e., the time is during the Tribulation). 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."

Rev 17:11-17 says, "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition (i.e., Satan enters into the False Prophet, the last son of perdition; Judas was the first). 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him (i.e., the Philadelphian Church saints) are CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL. 15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. 16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled."

Rev 17:18 adds,"And the woman which thou sawest is that great city (i.e., Rome), which reigneth over the kings of the earth."

The headquarters will be moved to the city of Babylon.

Rev 18:1-3 says, "And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become THE HABITATION OF DEVILS, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies."

Verse 4 says, "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

That is the Last-Trump Rapture. It will take place on the Day of God's Wrath.

THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE: ALL BECOME IMMORTAL, EVEN PAUL

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised INCORRUPTIBLE, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE: WE BECOME INCORRUPTIBLE, BUT NONE BECOME IMMORTAL AT THIS TIME, BUT "COMFORT ONE ANOTHER WITH THESE WORDS": "SO SHALL WE EVER BE WITH THE LORD"

1Th 4:13-18 says, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (phthano, precede) them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

WHICH CHURCH GROUP WILL BE ASSAILED IN THE END TIME?

Augustine (354-430), a contemporary of Chrysostom (347-407), wrote: "But he who reads this passage [Daniel 12:1-13], even half asleep can not fail to see that the kingdom of Antichrist shall fiercely, for a short time, assail the church..." (The City of God, XX, 23)."

That is the Laodicean Church, which means judgment, or rights of the people. It will be on earth until the Day of God's Wrath. Jesus will wipe away their tears. Here is Jesus' message to the Laodiceans.

Rev 3:14-22 says, "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I WILL SPUE THEE OUT OF MY MOUTH. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and REPENT. 20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

I think the Philadelphian church will be in Heaven Mid-Trib. Here are Jesus' words to the Philadelphians (which means brotherly love).

Rev 3:7-13 says, "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; 8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an OPEN DOOR, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not (i.e., British Israelism), but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from (ek, out of) THE HOUR OF TEMPTATION (i.e., MID-TRIB), which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar (i.e., Boaz, meaning fleetness) in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

I have to read verse 10 again. It says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience (hupomone, hopeful waiting), I also will keep thee from (ek, out of) THE HOUR OF TEMPTATION (i.e., MID-TRIB), which shall come upon all the world, to try (peirazo,test) them that dwell upon the earth."

Satan and his fallen angels are cast out of Heaven Mid-Trib. They have been accusing us of our faults night and day, but no more. Thus, Mid-Trib is a perfect time for us to be caught up to Heaven.

2Th 2:1-5 says, "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him (i.e., at the First-Trump Rapture), 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (should be day of the Lord, as in *SVA) is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away (should be translated departure, as in the first 8 English Bibles) first, and that man of sin be revealed (i.e., Mid-Trib), the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?"

*SVA, Sinaitic Codex, Vaticanus Codex, and Alexandrine Codex all have day of the Lord. They were found after the KJV was translated.


Our departure and the revealing of the man of sin seem to come Mid-Trib.

Eph_4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."

In John 17:15, Jesus said,"I pray that thou shouldest not take them out of this world, but thou shouldest keep them from the evil."

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mar 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light (i.e., at the breaking of the sixth seal, Rev. 6:12),
Mar 13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
Mar 13:26 And then (tote, at that time) shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mar 13:27 And then (tote, at that time) shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth (i.e., in the Rapture on the Day of God's Wrath) to the uttermost part of heaven.

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: Fwd: THE ISLAMIC CALIPHATE IS PINPOINTED IN BIBLE PROPHECY

THE ISLAMIC CALIPHATE BEING FORMED IN THE MIDDLE-EAST TODAY IS PINPOINTED IN BIBLE PROPHECY.

Revelation 6:8
"And power was given to 'them' OVER A FOURTH OF THE EARTH to kill with sword, with hunger, with death and by the beasts of the earth."

The "fourth of the earth" is the middle-east over which the Islamic caliphate will have control. Seals #2, 3, and 4 are being opened before our eyes.

MY REPLY

We have not yet heard the "COME UP HITHER" in Rev. 4:1. Therefore, Jesus has not yet been given the 7-sealed book in Rev 5. Therefore, no seals have yet been broken as in Rev 6.

Talk about bad. If things are bad now, and they are, they will get much worse after we are caught up to Heaven in the First-Trump Rapture as the 3.5 year Great Tribulation begins. Even though it is estimated to last 3.5 years, it won't. It is the section of time that is to be shortened or no flesh would be saved.

Mat_24:21,22 says, "For then (tote, at that time) shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world (kosmos, orderly arrangement of things, i.e., since Adam was created) to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

Mat 24:13-16 says, "But he that shall endure unto THE END (i.e., unto Mid-Trib, the beginning of THE END), the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then (tote, at that time) shall THE END (i.e., the Great Tribulation) come. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then (tote, at that time, i.e., Mid-Trib) let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains".

Mar 13:19,20 says, "For in those days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation) shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. 20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days."

Rev_12:7.9 says, "And there was war in heaven (i.e., MID_TRIB): Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels"...9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

We will go up as Satan comes down.

Get ready. The time is almost upon us. We cannot afford to miss the First-Trump Rapture. It could be on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 25. One calendar says Sept 27.

Those caught up at the Last-Trump Rapture on the Day of God's Wrath will be crying. Horrified, men will have their hands on their stomachs as women do in childbirth. At that point, there is nothing they can do but sound the alarm and pray to the Lord.

One asteroid will hit the Mediterranean Sea. Men not only die in the blast, they die in the tsunami. Damascus will cease to be a city. Seven thousand men will die just in Jerusalem.

The other asteroid will hit Babylon near the Euphrates. It will cease to be a city. It may become the everlasting Lake of Fire.

The Last-Trump Rapture will take place as the Day of God's Wrath arrives (Rev 6:17; 7:9-14).

Rev_7:17 says, "the Lamb (Jesus) which is in the midst of the throne (i.e., in the 3rd heaven, I Cor 15:2-4) shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

Rev_21:4 expands on that. It says, "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

Thank you Jesus for being our Saviour. Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: Fwd: IN CASE YOU MISSED IT

IN CASE YOU MISSED IT BOTH JOEL AND ACTS STATE THAT THERE WILL BE A 'WAR AS A SIGN' BEFORE THE COMING 'DAY OF THE LORD'.......................

Both Joel 2:30-31 and Acts 2:19-20 state that there will be a 'war as a sign' at the same time as the solar and lunar eclipses "BEFORE the coming great and awesome Day of the Lord."

The war is described in the following two Scriptures:

Joel 2:30
"Blood and fire and pillars of smoke."
Acts 2:19
"Blood and fire and vapor of smoke."

Watch for war to erupt in Israel in close proximity to the time of the coming solar and lunar eclipses in 2015 as the sure signs "BEFORE the coming great and awesome Day of the Lord" (Acts 2:20) in Nisan of the Jubilee Year 2016.

MY REPLY

FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE, MID-TRIB

Those caught up first seem to be raptured Mid-Trib. They should be caught up at the BEGINNING OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION.

LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE ON THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH, THE LAST DAY OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION

Those caught up last will be caught up on the Day of God's Wrath at the END of the Great Tribulation.

Joe 2:30-32 says. "And I will shew wonders (mopheth, miracles, signs) in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. 32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered (malat, escape, leap out, i.e., be caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture)".

Act 2:19-22 says, "And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: 21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved (i.e., in the Last-Trump Rapture). 22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words".

Rev 6:12-17 says, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal (i.e., on the Day of God's Wrath), and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 7:9-15 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God". Agape

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