Pro and Con 1813

Posted 8-6-14

THE PALLIUM AND FISHERMAN'S RING, BADGES OF THE POPE'S OFFICE

"POPE FRANCIS TELLS FOLLOWERS, 'DON'T TRY TO CONVERT LOST PEOPLE'"

NOW THE END BEGINS
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/index.htm
07/31/14

THE POPE ALSO SAID, "DON'T PROSELYTIZE; RESPECT OTHERS' BELIEFS. WE CAN INSPIRE OTHERS THROUGH WITNESS SO THAT ONE GROWS TOGETHER IN COMMUNICATING. BUT THE WORST THING OF ALL IS RELIGIOUS PROSELYTISM"

HE ALSO SAID, "INDIVIDUAL SALVATION OUTSIDE OF ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH DOESN'T EXIST

Pope Francis also said, "I believe in God - not in a Catholic God; there is no Catholic God. There is God, and I believe in Jesus Christ, his incarnation. Jesus is my teacher and my pastor, but God, the Father, Abba, is the light and the Creator. http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/p/pope_francis.html#2vwLiXbUTCZXbo7X.99

Just the Father being the Creator does not jibe with the Bible.

Joh 1:1-3 says, "In the beginning was the Word (i.e., the Son of God), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:10 says, "He was in the world, and the world was made by him

Heb 1:1,2 says, "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds".

Islamic Prayers At Vatican Signals Start Of One World Religion

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=22463
"And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."

"These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful." Revelation 17:14

Chrislam Will Be The One World Religion."

114 bronze coins from around 70 AD found

Inside a buried ceramic box in one of the old settlement houses, researchers found 114 bronze coins dating to the fourth year of the Great Revolt by the Jews against the Romans before King Herod's Temple was destroyed in 70 AD.

"Evidently someone here feared the end was approaching and hid his property, perhaps in the hope of collecting it later when calm was restored to the region."

"All of the coins are stamped with a chalice and the Hebrew inscription, "To the redemption of Zion" on one side. The second side contains a motif of a lulav (a bundle made from closed frond of the date palm tree, myrtle and willow branches) and an etrog (citron fruit), items used during the Jewish holiday, the Feast of Tabernacles. The second side also reads, "Year Four" in Hebrew."

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/08/05/2000-year-old-trove-ancient-coins-found-in-israel/

INCOMING EMAIL

A few specifics of AV 15:

*end of desert generation (didn't die in dug graves anymore & the remaining CHOSEN (15,000) could enter the Promised Land

*intermarriage permitted (Num 36:7-9)

*tribe of Benjamin restored (Judges 21:16-24)

*girls dressed in white

*girls danced in Shiloh

*girls abducted ('snatched/plucked')

*end of wheat harvest, beginning of grape harvest

*4 mths past Passover (Jesus: "4 mths to Harvest" John 4:35)

*last celebration on Jewish calendar (as last trump?)

*full moon

*Ruth stayed w/ Naomi til end of wheat harvest, then went to live w/ Boaz *most popular WEDDING day

*"as in days of Noah, marrying & giving in marriage"

*end of the year's planting of trees & crops

*Micah 7:2-4

*pictures the Marriage Supper of the Lamb

*happiest day on Jewish calendar (Israel's Valentines Day)

*end of Jeroboam's blockade against Jerusalem

> > GOD FOILED the enemy's plan!!!.....a Reason to Rejoice!

So Many Miracles, By Naomi Ragen

This e-mail is going around in Hebrew. It is all true.
The soldiers in Gaza are switched out with other units in order to rest.
This story was told by one of these soldiers.
"I and my friends captured a number of Hamas terrorists. When they were interrogated, we asked them, if you have so many tunnels that come into Israel, and that are built 25 feet under the ground and reach to Beer Sheva, why until now have you never used any of them for terrorist attacks? To kidnap or kill Israelis?

And this is what he answered: "For twelve years we have been building these tunnels and waiting for the right moment, when we were trained and ready. We decided that the time would be this year on Rosh Hashana, 2014. We chose Rosh Hashana because most of the soldiers get leave to go home and there aren't a lot on guard duty, and it's a two day holiday. All of Hamas would go through the tunnels we've built over twelve years and capture Israel. In every tunnel we'd send two, three dozen armed terrorists and kidnap civilians, women, children and bring them back to Gaza through the tunnels.

And then Israel couldn't bomb the tunnels because of all the Israeli civilians inside them. And in this way we would occupy the entire country and rule Israel and kill all the Zionists.

For years we were planning this and it was going to happen in two months. Your attacks on Gaza destroyed our plans."

The person who sent this to me added this: "Many religious people asked after our three boys were found dead what happened to all our prayers? So you see, this is what happened. God heard us.

And because of these three martyred boys, all of Israel was saved from a terrible massacre. All the things that we have seen this summer are one miracle after the next. Continue to pray and strengthen each other. And give thanks to God who watches over the Jewish people in the land He promised them."

GOD FOILED the enemy's plan!!!.....a Reason to Rejoice!

So Many Miracles By Naomi Ragen This e-mail is going around in Hebrew. It is all true. The soldiers in Gaza are switched out with other units in order to rest. This story was told by one of these soldiers. "I and my friends captured a number of Hamas terrorists. When they were interrogated, we asked them, if you have so many tunnels that come into Israel, and that are built 25 feet under the ground and reach to Beer Sheva, why until now have you never used any of them for terrorist attacks? To kidnap or kill Israelis?

And this is what he answered: "For twelve years we have been building these tunnels and waiting for the right moment, when we were trained and ready. We decided that the time would be this year on Rosh Hashana, 2014. We chose Rosh Hashana because most of the soldiers get leave to go home and there aren't a lot on guard duty, and it's a two day holiday. All of Hamas would go through the tunnels we've built over twelve years and capture Israel. In every tunnel we'd send two, three dozen armed terrorists and kidnap civilians, women, children and bring them back to Gaza through the tunnels.

And then Israel couldn't bomb the tunnels because of all the Israeli civilians inside them. And in this way we would occupy the entire country and rule Israel and kill all the Zionists.

For years we were planning this and it was going to happen in two months. Your attacks on Gaza destroyed our plans."

The person who sent this to me added this: "Many religious people asked after our three boys were found dead what happened to all our prayers? So you see, this is what happened. God heard us.

And because of these three martyred boys, all of Israel was saved from a terrible massacre. All the things that we have seen this summer are one miracle after the next. Continue to pray and strengthen each other. And give thanks to God who watches over the Jewish people in the land He promised them.

MY REPLY

> > end of desert generation
> > Ruth stayed w/ Naomi til end of wheat harvest, then went to live w/ Boaz

Boaz is a type of Christ. Ruth is our type. Thanks for the reminder.

That could mean that we would go to live with Jesus on the Feast of Trumpets, end of wheat harvest that began on Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit was poured out on the church.

The upcoming Feast of Trumpets is Thur. Sept. 25. The Moon will be under Virgo's feet on Sept. 27, but that is on the Sabbath. A couple of people on Five Doves have said it would be on a Thursday. I forget why.

I think we will go up Mid-Trib.

Look at Mat 24:20-24. It says, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter (i.e., Dec. 21 to March 21), neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then (tote, at that time, i.e., on a Saturday in the winter) shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then (tote, at that time, i.e., in the Great Tribulation) if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." (These elect are the Tribulation saints seen in Heaven in Rev 7:9-14. There are two Raptures, the first trump and the last trump.)

Mat 24:32-42 says, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."

Deu 16:13-15 says, "Thou shalt observe the feast of tabernacles seven days, after that thou hast gathered in thy corn ( goren, a threshing floor, i.e., a product of the threshing floor) and thy wine: 14 And thou shalt rejoice in thy feast, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite, the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that are within thy gates. 15 Seven days shalt thou keep a solemn feast unto the LORD thy God in the place which the LORD shall choose (i.e., Heaven): because the LORD thy God shall bless thee in all thine increase, and in all the works of thine hands, therefore thou shalt surely rejoice."

Wheat is harvested early in the warmer parts of Israel, and later in the cooler parts.

The wheat growing in the field near to me was harvested in late summer. The sheep that were penned up there during one night left no stubble behind in their pen when they and their shepherd journeyed forth on the next day. That was the only time I saw the shepherd and his sheep. There is a park and library in that area now. Nearby, where I saw the shepherd leading his sheep the next day, is now covered with houses.

We are the sheep of the Lord's pasture; and it now looks like we will journey forth on the Feast of Trumpets.

The reason no one knows the day or hour is because it is the Feast of Trumpets, the variable feast that sets the beginning of the next next year.

The two Raptures bracket the Great Tribulation, and probably are both on the Feast of Trumpets, represented by the First Trump and the Last Trump.

If the First-Trump Rapture, on the Feast of Trumpets, of those clothed in white happens on Sept. 25, Moses and Elijah will come and the Temple will be erected soon afterward. Everything is ready. Construction takes 3 months, i.e., until Dec. 25. Then winter would give the False Prophet plenty of time to sit in the Temple playing God in the Great Tribulation, the time that is to be shortened. The Last-Trump Rapture will be on the Day of God's Wrath. Agape

A POST ON FIVE DOVES, RE:Pastor Bob (27 July 2014)"Absence of Proof is Not Proof of Absence -6"

(MY REPLY TO PASTOR BOB IS POSTED ON MY HOME PAGE)

"It Is Written!"

This is my focus in this post series about the fact that "Absence of Proof is Not Proof of Absence". If you have not caught on to this theme, it is for the purpose of encouragement to the believers in Christ Jesus as our personal savior. For me personally, "The Theme of the Bride" is, by far, the greatest study for our faith and confidence in the belief that Christ Jesus will come for the faithful just prior to or at the beginning of the "Seven" year Tribulation. I can also state unequivocally, that it is not the only "Theme" that gives us the great hope we can have in a "Pre-Tribulation Rapture"

The definitive response given by Jesus Christ, to Satan, was "It Is Written,......" And then He would go on to rebut the devil with "pure words of truth". We know that Jesus Christ identified the tactics of Satan in the temptation of man: 1. The lust of the eyes, 2. The lust of the flesh, 3. The pride of life. It is important that we keep that thought in the back of our minds at all times or on our radar screen. Spiritual warfare, an issue we all have to deal with, at one time or another, inhibits our ability to be as effective as we ought to be. I have noted that I have done several "thematic" studies of the Bible in my down time over the past thirty years.

I'm not going to spend a lot of time addressing the theme "It Is Written" other than to point out where this fits into the larger scope of understanding the teaching of the "Pre-Tribulation Rapture". Do you know the expression "It Is Written" is found 93 times in the Bible, 26 just in the New Testament? In this segment of "Absence of Proof is Not Proof of Absence" we take a look at how the Bible offers us many sound reasons showing why the Rapture is prior to the Tribulation.

I hope that I have been able to offer you substantive evidence for a verdict and that you will not be deceived by the "Pre-Wrath Rapture Delusion" crowd of fools and wags. They argue that there isn't a single verse in the Bible that specifically teaches the Pre-Tribulation Rapture. However, there is virtually no sound Biblical reasons to prove the Rapture will occur in the middle or after the Tribulation, either. Either position must have evidence, substantive proof, that supports, or infers, or corroborates the position being presented. It is at this point today, I would like to offer you a few things to think about. Consider the following points of evidence to the contrary.

1. The saints are commanded to watch. They are not commanded to watch for the Tribulation, but for the "Blessed Hope", which is the "Harpazao" or the Rapture, the "catching away". Scriptures proving this point are abundant, as I have shown, and will continue to present as evidence that demands a verdict for the Pre-Tribulation Rapture. If the believers were to go through the Tribulation, any portion of it, it would contradict and nullify God's Word.

2. Of the believers that get saved during the Tribulation, most will be persecuted and likely killed. The few that survive will go into the Millennium to repopulate the Earth. If the Rapture came after the Tribulation, there would be very few believers to go into the Millennium. This would make the fulfillment of God's Word on this subject, impossible.

3. The judgment of the nations, mentioned in Matthew 25, is held immediately after the Tribulation and Armageddon. If the Rapture had just happened, there would be no "sheep" at the judgment. As it is written, "And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left" -(Matthew 25:33). The "sheep" are those that are saved. The "goats" are the unsaved. Again, God's Word could not be fulfilled, if the Rapture came after the Tribulation.

4. If the Church were to go through the Tribulation, it would contradict many verses in the Bible. Most of the believers will be beheaded. The Bible clearly shows that Antichrist will prevail against the saints. Anyone who claims the Church will go through the Tribulation does not appear to understand what the Tribulation will really be like. Think about the Christians being driven from northern Iraq today as the radical "ISIS" threatens to behead them all, if they [the Christians] do not convert, or flee Iraq. Very few people will be left alive afterward. If Jesus did not come back exactly when He does, there should no flesh be left alive.

5. It is written, "Wherefore comfort one another with these words" -(1 Thessalonians 4:18). If we were watching for the horrible Tribulation period, we would not be comforted, rather, we would be terrified. This Scripture could not be fulfilled, if the believers/saints were to go into the Tribulation period.

6. It is written, "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draweth nigh." -(Luke 21:28). In Luke 21, events of the Tribulation are described. Verse 28 shows that when these things begin to happen, after Israel's rebirth, then we are to know that the Rapture is about to take place. Note, it did not say, when they "have" happened, but when they "begin" to happen. They begin to happen as birth pangs of a woman about to give birth to a baby. Again, if a person was going to go through the Tribulation, the wording of this verse would be inaccurate.

7. It is written, "Blessed is that servant, whom His Lord when He cometh shall find so doing...." -(Luke 12:43). This passage denotes working for, or serving God. The Scriptures clearly shows that during the Tribulation, a time will come when the saints will not be able to work. As it is written, "I must work the works of Him that sent Me, while it is day: the night cometh (which represents the Tribulation), when no man can work." -(John 9:4). This Scripture passage of the Lord appearing at the Rapture very clearly shows that it happens before the Tribulation. During the Tribulation, especially the second part, it will be nearly impossible to work; before the Rapture comes, the saints can be working. Verse 45 confirms it is the period prior to the Rapture when people are saying, "My Lord delayeth His coming." This same message is confirmed in Matthew 24:45-48. A further thought here is appropriate when addressing what happens when "fear" begins to dominates the landscape. Psychologically, when people are overtaken by the sense of "fear" the human mind shuts down in rational thinking. Panic sets in and all ability to function normally goes into a "shut down" mode. If you doubt that, just ask anyone that has served in combat in a theater of war. The US military trains the troops to deal with and deter the power of fear, to heighten their ability to function in situations where fear can render a person helpless. The level of their training increases in the special forces category such as Rangers, SEAL teams, Delta Force, etc., because of the nature of special operations. Likewise, the stock market is manipulated through two forces - greed and fear!

8. The "Seven" Feasts of God, given to Israel in Leviticus 23 gives us God's Timetable.

Why then does there seem to be so much confusion among some people on this subject? The answer is clear as day. "God is not the author of confusion" -(1st Corinthians 14:33). Satan is the author of confusion. Some people hold the incorrect position that the Rapture will take place in the midst of the Tribulation. Some hold the misguided position that the Rapture will come at the end of the Tribulation. There are some misguided people who do not believe there will be a Rapture. They do not believe that Jesus will actually return as King of kings, and Lord of lords, as the Scriptures clearly point out. They do not believe there will be a Tribulation. Others believe that the Lord returned 1,800 years ago, and still others believe that He returned 110 years ago.

A person that believes that the Rapture will come during or after the Tribulation, also may not even begin to fully understand what the Tribulation will really be like at all. There has never been in the history of the Earth a time, either before the flood or after the flood, that will be as bad as what is soon to come. Matthew 24:21,22 makes this crystal clear.

We are not to be looking for the Tribulation, but for the 'Blessed Hope' and the Glorious Appearing of the Great God and our Savior Jesus Christ. -(Titus 2:13). Regarding the Pre-Tribulation Rapture, it is written, "Wherefore comfort one another with these words" -(1 Thessalonians 4:18). There is no comfort in watching for the Tribulation.

By watching for the Tribulation, instead of the 'Blessed Hope', we nullify the Word of God. To watch for the Tribulation, is to watch for the most horrible time in the history of the world. To think that one would enter this utterly terrifying time would mean that a Christian would live a life of fear. During the Tribulation, those that turn to God would still not be comforted, if they have to go through the Tribulation. World events tell us that Tribulation is coming, so we need not be watching for the Tribulation.

Those that teach the Rapture will not come prior to the Tribulation are making God's Word of no effect (null and void). This is exactly what Satan wants us to do. That is what other sites are doing on behalf of the man of sin! They are instilling "fear" in the minds of their readers. You can clearly see this in the headlines of their daily posts. The sensationalism in their headline posts psychologically are directed to instill fear. If that wasn't enough, then on top of that, one site posts heresy teachings that head their site, every day, are from the "Pre-Wrath-Rapture-Delusion" of SDA Steven "Mark" Wolhberg. What did the Apostle Paul say in Ephesians 5:11? "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." I have pointed out before the meaning of "reprove" is to expose their unfruitful works for darkness. I think of the so-called prophecy sites that nullify their message by offering and selling to their readers, survival foods, or gold and silver, you know, the real currencies.

Folks, those people are in it for the money and they are playing upon people's fear. My point is that they are not exalting their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ to deliver them from the wrath to come, by selling survival food buckets and survival gear, not if they believe Jesus Words as Truth. They use the Word of God for personal gain, to exploit the lambs and fleece them of their hard-earned incomes.

I used to watch Jim Bakker on television from his compound down in the Ozarks, huckstering his survival food buckets. While getting some morning laughs over his wacko teachings, I could not dismiss the thought of the hypocrisy and foolishness of this charlatan. Jim Bakker does not believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, he has said as much. In the meantime, he profits on people's "fear".

As I will continue in this series, "Absence of Proof is Not Proof of Absence", there is so much the believer fails to consider when it comes to our Faith.
God Bless, Pastor Bob

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